Is it September yet?

embmmusic said:

udo said:

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Do I need reviews when I cannot even check whether they are right in some ways?

WB has the priorities wrong again. The time spent on makeing these reviews possible could have been spent at packaging that fits a decent CD-shelf.

The result would have been a longer lasting effect of enjoyment than a few pesky reviews.

I'm pretty sure the marketing team is a different group of people than the design team. Do you think that the CD box is oversized because they didn't have time to design a smaller one? That doesn't make a lot of sense. It was a decision they made. Also, I'd say that putting together a box design probably takes a bit longer than sending an e-mail to the press with a pass to a streaming site.

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I mean to point out that the priorities are wrong at WB.

Decent packaging is more important than prerelease reviews.

Wheter it is a decision or something taht aoccurs without a conscious decision is part of their company's processes.

We only see teh results.

And these have issues.

LoveGalore said:

Zzzzz

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Very insightful.

Your moma will be proud.

I hadn't thought of that.

Will that play as well on 45 rpm?

I still can't believe they haven't included the full 8 minute version of ICNTTPOYM, for me, that is THE definitive version and it's nowhere to be seen, or have I missed it in the tracklisting?

[Edited 7/22/20 20:11pm]

love2thenines2003 said:

databank said:

BTW it just hit me: I know they couldn't include everything on 3 CDs and that editorial decisions had to be made, but where on earth is the alleged Bad cover from 1986?? Am I the only one to think that this one was kind of essential (I mean I say that and it took me a month to think about it so it's not so obvious a choice I guess, but now that I remembered its existence I'm like, man, that would have been the shit!!) [Edited 7/22/20 17:40pm]

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Given that it took Michael Jackson years to complete an album, that song could be added to a Purple Rain, Around The World In A Day or Parade deluxe as well. Or do you have a definite recording date for Prince's Bad?

mediumdry said:

databank said:

udo said:

love2thenines2003 said:

These past hours , some lucky reporters from the press have had the opportunity to listen via secure streaming site the full SOTT superdeluxe boxset....soon firts reviews?

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Do I need reviews when I cannot even check whether they are right in some ways?

WB has the priorities wrong again. The time spent on makeing these reviews possible could have been spent at packaging that fits a decent CD-shelf.

The result would have been a longer lasting effect of enjoyment than a few pesky reviews.

Just wait 'til the Parade SDE comes out in a box shaped like a pyramid!

thefrog said:

databank said:

thefrog said:

I'm far from an expert (very far) but would that not bring with it a number of consents / licensing issues? Perhaps that's the number of the beast.

No, anyone is free to cover anything.

I believe it has to be published/released, the lyrics can not be altered, and no major changes to the arrangement. And then they can not make a video. And they have to pay a per copy fee. (and it is weird like a minimum number of copies)


Correction: they can not change the melody. They can change the arrangement as long as it is not too drastic as to change the character of the song. And it can not be used for dramatic reasons.

[Edited 7/23/20 18:35pm]

OnlyNDaUsa said:

databank said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I believe it has to be published/released, the lyrics can not be altered, and no major changes to the arrangement. And then they can not make a video. And they have to pay a per copy fee. (and it is weird like a minimum number of copies)

Yeah something like that (of course you can't cover an unreleased song, it wouldn't be a cover) and I've heard about the modification restriction but I think it's wishful thinking cos basically hardly ever litigious (never heard of any such thing going to court). I had never heard of the video thing but I don't believe it (or, again, it's hardly ever applied) and as for the fee idk exactly how it works but yeah of course you gotta pay. In any case I don't see anything there preventing the estate from releasing Bad anymore than Do Yourself A Favor (technically a Jesse Johnson cover).

I am speaking strictly of a cover under a compulsory licences. If you get permission and they agreee anything goes. But as I understand the law they are for audio recording only (simular laws for public preformances).

(like using KISS in "Happy Feet." As I recall they contacted Prince and asked to use "Kiss" and wanted to change a word ("Girl" to "Pearl"). Again as I recall, Prince said no but they convinced to to watch an early cut and he not only approved the change but gave them "Song of the Heart." )

OnlyNDaUsa said:

databank said:

LoveGalore said:

LoveGalore said:

databank said:

Yeah because it's Hollywood and a big money making Hollywood movie is potential jailbait for a profitable lawsuit, and also the filmmakers probably wanted to play fair. But seriously, how many hundreds of Prince covers are there, and how many times did Prince complain about the fact that there was nothing he could do about it,before himself covering songs and changing their lyrics or arrangements without asking permission. It's open bar as long as you pay.

Well prince complained about covers before he owned the publishing and could deny covers all he wanted. Once he got his publishing back, he didn't really say shit about it.

He owned the publishing to most of his songs...Do you mean the master recordings?

and he could not deny covers... not officially. He could pressure WB and maybe other companies from allowing covers on their labes. But Compulsory Licence allowes pretty much anyone to cover pretty much any published song.

eyewishuheaven said:

udo said:

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Do I need reviews when I cannot even check whether they are right in some ways?

WB has the priorities wrong again. The time spent on makeing these reviews possible could have been spent at packaging that fits a decent CD-shelf.

The result would have been a longer lasting effect of enjoyment than a few pesky reviews.

Just wait 'til the Parade SDE comes out in a box shaped like a pyramid!

lol that would be the symbol SDE

OnlyNDaUsa said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

https://www.superdeluxeed...y-box-set/

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Closed For Business features remastered versions of all four studio albums (Attack of the Grey Lantern, Six, Little Kix, and Kleptomania); five discs of single edits, EP tracks and B-sides (remastered); ten CDs of live performance including Sydney ’97, Glastonbury ’98; Reading Festival ’99 and V2000; a disc of Radio Sessions; four CDs of Demos and Rarities and a DVD with the Brixton Academy gig from 1998 and various TV appearances. Phew!

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But we're not done:

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The box set includes a 160-page hardcover book written by renowned music journalist Peter Doggett (he wrote the fab Beatles book, ‘You Never Give Me Your Money’). This features photos from fans and photographers around the world, a tour history section, historical and newly commissioned interviews and a full discography.

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There's still more:

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On top of that there are two more books. A 112-page volume, documenting the official fanzines ‘Smelling the Roses’, ‘Take it Easy’ and ‘Cult of Positivity’ and a 48-page studio book cataloguing “newly discovered archival ephemera”.

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The price for all that? £160.00

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LoveGalore said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

He owned the publishing to most of his songs...Do you mean the master recordings?

and he could not deny covers... not officially. He could pressure WB and maybe other companies from allowing covers on their labes. But Compulsory Licence allowes pretty much anyone to cover pretty much any published song.

It's my understanding that you'd still need a mechanical license from the publisher and that prince did not own the publishing until much later in life.

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And once again people ignore an important word:

https://www.easysonglicen...cense.aspx

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A special section of the copyright law, meant to foster creativity in music creation, establishes what is known as the compulsory mechanical licensing law. Compulsory law states that a licensee can obtain mechanical rights without the express permission of the copyright holder, as long as certain steps are followed.

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COMPULSORY.

love2thenines2003 said:

These past hours , some lucky reporters from the press have had the opportunity to listen via secure streaming site the full SOTT superdeluxe boxset....soon firts reviews?

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No, such reviews are under embargo.

BartVanHemelen said:

eyewishuheaven said:

udo said:

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Do I need reviews when I cannot even check whether they are right in some ways?

WB has the priorities wrong again. The time spent on makeing these reviews possible could have been spent at packaging that fits a decent CD-shelf.

The result would have been a longer lasting effect of enjoyment than a few pesky reviews.

Just wait 'til the Parade SDE comes out in a box shaped like a pyramid!

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Parade SDE might deserve that type of packaging, depending on what songs they add to that release.

It needs to be at least as big as this SOTT SDE.

BartVanHemelen said:

BartVanHemelen said:

https://www.superdeluxeed...y-box-set/

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Closed For Business features remastered versions of all four studio albums (Attack of the Grey Lantern, Six, Little Kix, and Kleptomania); five discs of single edits, EP tracks and B-sides (remastered); ten CDs of live performance including Sydney ’97, Glastonbury ’98; Reading Festival ’99 and V2000; a disc of Radio Sessions; four CDs of Demos and Rarities and a DVD with the Brixton Academy gig from 1998 and various TV appearances. Phew!

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But we're not done:

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There's still more:

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On top of that there are two more books. A 112-page volume, documenting the official fanzines ‘Smelling the Roses’, ‘Take it Easy’ and ‘Cult of Positivity’ and a 48-page studio book cataloguing “newly discovered archival ephemera”.

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The price for all that? £160.00

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Wow...that's fat...and the price is very good for all this.

LoveGalore said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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COMPULSORY.

[Snip - luv4u]

Again someone complaining about the perceived shape of the communication, not about the actual content.

Your mother would be proud to learn that you came that far.

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In what SOTT song did Prince sing about such a situation?

Pellwormer said:

Wow...that's fat...and the price is very good for all this.

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I.e.: the Estate/WB/wohoever are doing a poor job at keeping things consistent, they are not cheap and do not give it all to us.

These results come from lack of planning:

Where's the mission?

Where's the strategy?

Where's the plan?

Everything appears to be a one-off project.

That is not what the fans of mr. Prince desergve, that is not what the music deserves, that is not what the heirs deserve.

When even WB -a company with some experience in the record business- cannot arange things so that packaging is consistent, mastering is consistent, tracklistings are as complete as possible, information is good and in-depth, pricing is good then what has the world come to?

Is amateurish work the norm, now? (I am not complaining about mr Grundman!)