dustoff said:

Seriously, you think THE WORLD gives a shit about whether or not SOTT will fit on your shelf?

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Duh. Do you always kick in open doors?

The world is mad and does no sane things.

Look around you.

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Take a step back, breathe, take a minute to consider your priorities.

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What other priorities are there besiddes sleep and food?

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Oh yes, fly, but we'll do that.

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You ever hear the phrase, "Don't let the perfect stand in the way of the good"? Think about it, it might bring you some solace.

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That doesn't fit here.

SOTT SDE is not perfect.

And what I ask for is a good release.

Good packaging, good selection of music, good mastering.

Then it will be perfect.

dustoff said:

udo said:

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If you cannot be critical about things anymore, then what is left?

Espeically this SOTT SDE begs for thoughts.

Dude, there is a difference between saying, "This CD case does not fit on my shelf, that's a bit annoying," and saying, as you have:

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You still did not get it.

The CD fitment might be annoying.

The issue is that they did not understand the issues involved in releasing a box set.

That is a huge problem.

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"This is a huge problem."

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Exactly.

They display their level of udnerstanding with this release.

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"Warner Records, Michael Howe, and the Estate have no clue about what they are doing."

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That is what I am saying.

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"I hope we can find some of their address info in the judicial papers to inform them of these issues impairing their pocket..."

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Eventually when the heirs find out they will be served.

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"WB has the priorities wrong again."

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Hasn't his be the case since at least the 90's?

I mean, why ridicule this?

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"Decent packaging is more important than prerelease reviews."

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I doubt you can explain the truth in that.

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"Badly packaged items will cause issues. Not just with me, but worldwide."

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You think that only you will get this SOTT SDE box set?

It is a worldwide release.

So it is a worldwide problem.

What can you say against that?

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etc. etc.

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Yes, I agree.

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Seriously, you think THE WORLD gives a shit about whether or not SOTT will fit on your shelf?

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You don't get it.

If you are still stacking your CD's/bluerays/etc then this is not a problem.

But at a certain amount of media it becomes necessary to make thinks kinda efficient.

You can guess at when this became a necessity.

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Take a step back, breathe, take a minute to consider your priorities.

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I know my priorities quite well.

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You ever hear the phrase, "Don't let the perfect stand in the way of the good"? Think about it, it might bring you some solace.

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I am not a native speaker in that language so I doubt I read it before.

I explained when things would be good and that the sum of good things would make it perfect.

I can understand the frustration at the box being so large but between the choice of

1) Making the hardback book exclusive to vinyl edition and/or making some weird shrunk down version for the CD version.

2) Making 1 set of packaging for both the vinyl and CD versions.

I think the estate made the right choice. Nobody wants to have to spend $250 on the vinyl just to get the best booklet possible.

I'm annoyed that they seemingly did cardboard slides for the CDs instead of jewel cases but the packaging shouldn't be a deal breaker. So much good music on this release.

Strive said:

I'm completely fine with the format of the packaging. This is one of my favorite albums ever, it's arguably Prince's magnum opus, and it deserves special treatment. They're pulling out all the stops with the big-ass book, the special box, the peach-and-black CD artwork... I don't see how any true Prince fan could get so bent out of shape about this.

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Someone earlier in the thread mentioned how it's better to have a full-sized book than a shrunk-down CD-sized pamphlet. I agree. I loved the "1999" set, but reading that booklet with my 54 year old eyes was torture. Especially with the color of the font clashing with the colors of the backgrounds.

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And I keep my actual CDs in sleeves in binders on my shelves, and store the jewel boxes and other packaging in plastic bins. I can go grab a CD off the shelf in three seconds. So once I get the boxset, I'll retrieve the discs, and safely store the packaging.

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However, instead of packing the book away, I will probably keep it out with my other Prince books. I have a feeling I'll be flipping through it many times over the next year.

OMG now you're fighting about the size of the package, you guys are never satisfied whatsoever, that's pathetic.

slyjackson said:

OMG now you're fighting about the size of the package, you guys are never satisfied whatsoever, that's pathetic.

udo said:

The issue is that they did not understand the issues involved in releasing a box set.

That is a huge problem.

With all due respect though, just because you personally subjectively don't think the packaging suits your own personal wants for CD storage doesn't mean that that "did not understand the issues". There is no issue, only a small, small number of Prince fans who are getting their knickers in a twist over a trite personal preference because the Estate apparently always needs to be looked at as messing up Prince's legacy somehow



I get that not everything the Estate has done is perfect. Letting Prince's compressed PR remaster be released without a proper mastering engineer doing it, tape sources on that release, etc. But to me there are so many things the Estate has gotten right and have learned from (the amazing 1999 Deluxe in sound quality and mixes) that sometimes I feel like fans just never will be happy no matter what the Estate does


I am just growing weary of the same "broken record" posts in these threads

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GiggityGoo said:

I'm completely fine with the format of the packaging. This is one of my favorite albums ever, it's arguably Prince's magnum opus, and it deserves special treatment. They're pulling out all the stops with the big-ass book, the special box, the peach-and-black CD artwork... I don't see how any true Prince fan could get so bent out of shape about this.

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Someone earlier in the thread mentioned how it's better to have a full-sized book than a shrunk-down CD-sized pamphlet. I agree. I loved the "1999" set, but reading that booklet with my 54 year old eyes was torture. Especially with the color of the font clashing with the colors of the backgrounds.

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And I keep my actual CDs in sleeves in binders on my shelves, and store the jewel boxes and other packaging in plastic bins. I can go grab a CD off the shelf in three seconds. So once I get the boxset, I'll retrieve the discs, and safely store the packaging.

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However, instead of packing the book away, I will probably keep it out with my other Prince books. I have a feeling I'll be flipping through it many times over the next year.

Or even not get the pamphlet at all, as was the case with P&M '83 on cd.

I'm happy with this format, I just wish they'd done 'em all the same way so that I could line 'em up and drool...

You're just making a fuss about nothing, spoiled child you are.

udo said:

dustoff said:

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I know my priorities quite well.

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You ever hear the phrase, "Don't let the perfect stand in the way of the good"? Think about it, it might bring you some solace.

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I am not a native speaker in that language so I doubt I read it before.

I explained when things would be good and that the sum of good things would make it perfect.

ForceofNature said:

udo said:

The issue is that they did not understand the issues involved in releasing a box set.

That is a huge problem.

With all due respect though, just because you personally subjectively don't think the packaging suits your own personal wants for CD storage doesn't mean that that "did not understand the issues". There is no issue, only a small, small number of Prince fans who are getting their knickers in a twist over a trite personal preference because the Estate apparently always needs to be looked at as messing up Prince's legacy somehow



I get that not everything the Estate has done is perfect. Letting Prince's compressed PR remaster be released without a proper mastering engineer doing it, tape sources on that release, etc. But to me there are so many things the Estate has gotten right and have learned from (the amazing 1999 Deluxe in sound quality and mixes) that sometimes I feel like fans just never will be happy no matter what the Estate does


I am just growing weary of the same "broken record" posts in these threads

[Edited 7/29/20 14:50pm]

Amen. Let's give praises to the Lord.

ForceofNature said:

udo said:

The issue is that they did not understand the issues involved in releasing a box set.

That is a huge problem.

With all due respect though, just because you personally subjectively don't think the packaging suits your own personal wants for CD storage doesn't mean that that "did not understand the issues".

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Wait.

We've had three SDE releases.

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PR was a disaster because of the 'overseen by Prince' nut-job that they called 'remastering'; even WB did not refuse it.

1999 was generally OK but hit with censorship due to lack of understanding of theatre, fiction, contex and such.

SOTT will be hampered by the chosen form factor, however beautiful.

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These are facts, not just me 'personally thinking'.

Also I am thinking all the time, so please do not frame it as a rare occasion.

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There is no issue,

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If you cannot se it that does not mean it is not there.

The industry standard for CD's, DVD's, BluRays and such is a five inch disk in a standard packaging which for CD's is a jewel case, a cardboard `equivalent` or very similar.

Ignoring this means taking a risk.

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only a small, small number of Prince fans who are getting their knickers in a twist over a trite personal preference

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See above. It is not a pfreference. History really shows otherwise.

because the Estate apparently always needs to be looked at as messing up Prince's legacy somehow

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Now you start to generalize.

Now you try to make us think that my claims are baseless, fiction and not facts.

You are now complaining about the shape, not the contents.

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I get that not everything the Estate has done is perfect.

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Did you check the paper work that is generated in the court(s)?

Did you investigate the failed UMG deal?

Did you check the huge fees generated by these lawyer leaches?

Did you check the lack of planning w.r.t. the heirs finally getting a payout?

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I.o.w.: what things are going OK in your eyes?

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so many things the Estate has gotten right and have learned from (the amazing 1999 Deluxe in sound quality and mixes)

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That is simply passing the music via a decent mastering engineer that is not a Prince yes-man without teh proper experience or gear.

That is the way things are supposed to be done.

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that sometimes I feel like fans just never will be happy no matter what the Estate does

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Again: what things are going OK in your eyes?

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I am just growing weary of the same "broken record" posts in these threads

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Yes, that is the shape of things.

All I see are opinions being called facts, not vice versa in that last post. All of it

ForceofNature said:

All I see are opinions being called facts, not vice versa in that last post. All of it

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If you call discernable things that are (not) on the disc opinions then what are you smoking?

If you cannot hear the PR 'remaster' issue then why bother buying CD's? Why not stream mp3?

If you do not care about censorship, then do read all the fake news.

If you do not care about decent packaging standards then add some space to the house.

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Warped senses of reality abundant, you appear to possess a few.

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You simply dismiss reality.

udo said:

ForceofNature said:

All I see are opinions being called facts, not vice versa in that last post. All of it

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If you call discernable things that are (not) on the disc opinions then what are you smoking?

If you cannot hear the PR 'remaster' issue then why bother buying CD's? Why not stream mp3?

If you do not care about censorship, then do read all the fake news.

If you do not care about decent packaging standards then add some space to the house.

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Warped senses of reality abundant, you appear to possess a few.

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You simply dismiss reality.

-Just because the packing doesn't meet your personal wants/"standards" doesn't mean there is an issue objectively. "Decent packaging standards", unless you can refer me to the site where "packaging standards" are universally agreed upon by the world and criteria is in place for judgement for all to agree on, are subjective - that is not disputable.

- Just because you think I don't care about PR remaster compression doesn't mean I don't, I just don't harp on it every other post in every thread about the Estate nor do I hold it over their heads in 2020 that a one-time mastering that had Prince's delgation on it released in 2017 had compression on it

- Just because you haven't made peace with Lust U Always still being heard from bootlegs doesn't mean that you have to carry that cross in every thread about these releases that don't have every song Prince ever recorded anyways (and never could)



The problem is, you think that your opinions casting judgement on these releases are reality and not opinions. You can have any opinion you want but as far as I am concerned, regarding "the guy who complains about the Estate releases any chance he gets" it just is tiresome seeing that broken record over and over. And I am not the only one

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ForceofNature said:

udo said:

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If you call discernable things that are (not) on the disc opinions then what are you smoking?

If you cannot hear the PR 'remaster' issue then why bother buying CD's? Why not stream mp3?

If you do not care about censorship, then do read all the fake news.

If you do not care about decent packaging standards then add some space to the house.

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Warped senses of reality abundant, you appear to possess a few.

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You simply dismiss reality.

-Just because the packing doesn't meet your personal wants/"standards"

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Standards are visible in the record stores.

If you call that standard personal you are besides this reality. Good for you.

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- Just because you think I don't care about PR remaster compression

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I simply respond to lame crisicism on my posts.

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- Just because you haven't mady peace with Lust U Always

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I simply respond to lame crisicism on my posts.

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" it just is tiresome seeing that broken record over and over. And I am not the only one

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I simply respond to lame crisicism on my posts.

udo said:

Standards are visible in the record stores.

If you call that standard personal you are besides this reality. Good for you.

lol okay I see I am not getting through so I will leave it at my last post and the points made there that are still not being absorbed. Moving on to greater things, hopefully getting back to this release...


I am really stoked to get this album. The packaging looks amazing and I have been jamming to Witness all day

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slyjackson said:

OMG now you're fighting about the size of the package, you guys are never satisfied whatsoever, that's pathetic.

Thank you, and I agree.

ForceofNature said:

udo said:

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If you call discernable things that are (not) on the disc opinions then what are you smoking?

If you cannot hear the PR 'remaster' issue then why bother buying CD's? Why not stream mp3?

If you do not care about censorship, then do read all the fake news.

If you do not care about decent packaging standards then add some space to the house.

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Warped senses of reality abundant, you appear to possess a few.

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You simply dismiss reality.

-Just because the packing doesn't meet your personal wants/"standards" doesn't mean there is an issue objectively. "Decent packaging standards", unless you can refer me to the site where "packaging standards" are universally agreed upon by the world and criteria is in place for judgement for all to agree on, are subjective - that is not disputable.

- Just because you think I don't care about PR remaster compression doesn't mean I don't, I just don't harp on it every other post in every thread about the Estate nor do I hold it over their heads in 2020 that a one-time mastering that had Prince's delgation on it released in 2017 had compression on it

- Just because you haven't made peace with Lust U Always still being heard from bootlegs doesn't mean that you have to carry that cross in every thread about these releases that don't have every song Prince ever recorded anyways (and never could)

I'll add to that list -- if Prince and WB didn't want Udo to hear their rapey lyrics, they are under no obligation (legal, moral, economic or otherwise) to let Udo hear them, no matter his dull _opinion_ on 'censorship.'

Udo stop being a whining little boy.

FragileUndertow said:

I donr think this has been mentioned, but The version of Witness 4 The Prosecution, is this the one that segues into Moviestar?

It's not

slyjackson said:

OMG now you're fighting about the size of the package, you guys are never satisfied whatsoever, that's pathetic.

It's hardly the first argument I've witnessed that was basically about "the size of the package," though usually people at least pretend it's about something else.

For what it's worth, I'm glad I'm getting the big book, since the 1999 book was nigh unreadable. That matters more to me than consistency of storage. And as for industry standards (since Udo keeps insisting this is more than his preference)--how many people actually buy in physical stores (the only place that would matter)--and every store I've been in recently has alternate shelves specifically for nonstandard packaging. I can't take any of this circling around the packaging seriously. Some of Udo's other complaints--particularly the Purple Rain related ones--make sense, but I think the pressure decisionmakers felt to get something out relatively quickly was understandable, and accounted for some of the problems. I wish they'd gone ahead and done their own remaster (even if they still released the Paisley one alongside it--it was the artist-approved one, after all).

EddieC said:

It's hardly the first argument I've witnessed that was basically about "the size of the package," though usually people at least pretend it's about something else.

lol. some people prefer a smaller package I guess, no shame in that.

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udo said:

ForceofNature said:

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I simply respond to lame crisicism on my posts.

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" it just is tiresome seeing that broken record over and over. And I am not the only one

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I simply respond to lame crisicism on my posts.

Fucking hell... Of all the fucking things to get worked up about...

https://www.walvisproduct...wel-cases/

You'd probably get a stroke if Prince had indeed released the 1998 "Crystal Ball" in that plastic crystal ball that he wanted or released the CD wallets for "The Slaughterhouse" and "Chocolate Invasion" instead of jewel cases/jewel boxes...

How about directing all that wasted energy at How(e) Prince's vault is overseen and fucked with by a WBR trained monkey and his "Spotify" dick twiddler?
A trained monkey that lies about the contents of the posthumous releases...
A trained monkey who is so loyal to WBR he refuses to release records Prince wanted to release ("Camille", "Dream Factory" and "Crystal Ball") but WBR prevented and demanded a condensed version of ("Sign "O" The Times") because he dares not to cross WBR decisions even though he knows they were wrong in the 1980's...

Such a fucking waste...

Neversin.

[Edited 7/31/20 6:13am]

MattUK said:

So having been made redundant in Feb - pre covid so not furloughed or anything useful like that I finally decided to take the plunge for SOTT deluxe despite its high price.. .. Only to find its now not available on amazon UK! Wtf is that about. Have I missed the boat now?

It's still avaiable from Amazon UK - CD and Vinyl deluxe.

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Sign-Times-Super-Deluxe-Prince/dp/B08BMSF4XT/ref=tmm_acd_title_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=