PeggyO said:

Good point.Wasnt he spotted riding his bike in Minneapolis a day before he passed away?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

There was hydrocodone in some of the PP pills. See Penny's list of tested pills found @ PP (thank you for posting Penny).
Does anyone remember what the toxicology from Dr S showed? Iirc, there was the opiate hydromorphone which always baffled me since it was never found at PP, no prescriptions in his Kirk's names for it...

iamafan said:

Having hip replacement surgery isn't a guarantee that the person will be better. I have a relative who had both hips replaced & the second surgery messed them up - the implant settled too far up & now one leg is so much shorter than the other they have to wear special shoes & need a walker.
I can't recall reading anything stating he was afraid/didn't want to have a second surgery. Could you please supply a link or source?
I also agree with others who have stated the evidence shows that he had no way to know the amounts of ingredients in the fake pills.

I have to add,that if I had just overdosed and was brought back,I wouldn't dare take the same pill a few days later.Maybe Prince was suicidal or maybe he thought he just take a small dose then he would be alright but damn that was risky

Morgaine said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Dr. S prescribed oxy so it doesnt explain why hydro was also found in his urine.

There was hydrocodone in some of the PP pills. See Penny's list of tested pills found @ PP (thank you for posting Penny). Does anyone remember what the toxicology from Dr S showed? Iirc, there was the opiate hydromorphone which always baffled me since it was never found at PP, no prescriptions in his Kirk's names for it...

It was felt by some that hydrocodone can metabolize and show up as hydromorphone

Morgaine said:

iamafan said:

I too read that he wouldn't want another hip surgery, which just seems so crazy to me. To someone on the outside, it just seems so much better to 'go under' again than to be caught in the grips of dependency and going to the street to get relief. And, it seems to me that 'going under' probably isn't that much different than being 'out of it' on drugs. I don't know, I just wish things could have been different. It is hard to rationalize something like this I guess.

Having hip replacement surgery isn't a guarantee that the person will be better. I have a relative who had both hips replaced & the second surgery messed them up - the implant settled too far up & now one leg is so much shorter than the other they have to wear special shoes & need a walker. I can't recall reading anything stating he was afraid/didn't want to have a second surgery. Could you please supply a link or source? I also agree with others who have stated the evidence shows that he had no way to know the amounts of ingredients in the fake pills.

Part of my job as an RN is to teach bi-weekly classes to those scheduled for hip and knee replacements.

We teach close to 30-40 per week. This is considered a fairly routine surgery and hugely successful for the great majority. We do follow up with those same patients at 3-6-9 month intervals and though the recovery can be challenging to many, 98% of patients are relieved to have had the surgery.

He did not have the second surgery which is proof enough.

I do not know why Prince chose not to undergo hip replacement surgery for his other affected hip

but is as occurred to me that there may have been some issues with anesthesia. One needs to be forthcoming with the anesthesiologist about current alcohol/drug use so that anesthesia is adjusted accordingly.

It was noted in the files by one of his employees (I don't have time right now to look), that there may have been some issues with Prince after the surgery with some disorientation or something of that nature.

Morgaine said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Dr. S prescribed oxy so it doesnt explain why hydro was also found in his urine.

There was hydrocodone in some of the PP pills. See Penny's list of tested pills found @ PP (thank you for posting Penny). Does anyone remember what the toxicology from Dr S showed? Iirc, there was the opiate hydromorphone which always baffled me since it was never found at PP, no prescriptions in his Kirk's names for it...

Still doesnt explain where the hydro came from.

Morgaine said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Dr. S prescribed oxy so it doesnt explain why hydro was also found in his urine.

There was hydrocodone in some of the PP pills. See Penny's list of tested pills found @ PP (thank you for posting Penny). Does anyone remember what the toxicology from Dr S showed? Iirc, there was the opiate hydromorphone which always baffled me since it was never found at PP, no prescriptions in his Kirk's names for it...

I don't think we ever figured the hydromorphone out, did we?

The hydromorphone and the swab in the elevator we never could get.

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Phase3 said:

I have to add,that if I had just overdosed and was brought back,I wouldn't dare take the same pill a few days later.Maybe Prince was suicidal or maybe he thought he just take a small dose then he would be alright but damn that was risky

This is the point that I've tried to make here a couple of times. Why keep the pills around if they had already killed you? And if he (or they) got rid of the pills then why go back to the same street dealer and get more? This is what sticks in my head and makes me believe that Prince did indeed commit suicide. Sure, he was already addicted to the pills but even then he should have known that those particular pills were bad news after Moline. There are just too many weird things surrounding his death. Too many cryptic messages ('Save your prays for a few days' and what he said to the cashier at the drug store when she said they would pray for him, etc.) for someone who was a wordsmith and knew the power of words. I just don't get it at all.

Jeffery Epstein didn’t kill himself either.

...Same thing that happened to John Lennon, Fred Hampton, Malcolm X, MLKjr, ... “CIA'd.”

All that Revolution-ary, peace, love, anti-war, anti-govt, freedom, unity, truth stuff simply cannot be tolerated.

Or Clinton-ized for crafting: pro-Trump “Donald Trump / Black Version”.

“TheTruth [album] is treason in an empire of lies.”

— George Orwell

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PeggyO said:

So hydromorphone was present in the blood tests Dr S ran?
I guess it's possible but very unlikely. From what I've read, when/if hydrocodone metabolizes it does so not only to hydromorphone but also to norhydrocodone (plus other other minor metabolites). So it would be odd to only see hydromorphone present without norhydrocodone if his body metabolized hydrocodone in the blood work from Dr S.
I've always thought it was actually hydromorphone because that's also an opiate med aka Dilaudid. It's a stronger opiate than hydrocodone or oxycodone & can also be extended release.
Now I'm going to have to search for it here .
Thanks for the reply.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The actual source? No, you're right islijag & I doubt we ever will.
Sorry if I misunderstood your statement.

PennyPurple said:

No I don't think so. There was nowhere to go with it. It's always been odd to me that it was in his system & no hydromorphone pills were found.
Just like the elevator swab - though that's more odd considering they tested it but the results weren't made public. Things that make you go hmmm...

appleseed said:

Ok I'll bite.
So you think the CIA/US government killed Epstein, Prince, John Lennon, Malcolm X, Fred Hampton, & MLK JR because they were for freedom?
Epstein? Really? And where's Pac on the list? What about JFK? RFK?
But seriously...you think the government killed P because he was snti-establishment?
Maybe if he'd died in the 80s. But by the time he passed, he wasn't as popular with the masses & had much less pull. Why would they wait until he's 50+?

I just had a thought tonight that I’m sure others have probably expressed and I just haven’t seen it....

I mentioned earlier that the image he created of himself would come crashing down after he went to rehab and word got out. I wonder how much the fear also got to him that the truth of Moline would get out, and maybe that was overwhelming as well. There’s just so much he was facing and he said so many odd things that it seems to me more and more that he chose the end of his story.

iamafan said:

Well, we know he didn't want those blood tests in Moline because the pills were not legit.

Dimitri10 said:

Prince's actions in Moline hospital speak volume going by the reports in the files, the rest is history....my gut tells me he was in control of his fate.

ladygirl99 said:

There was a blind item on blindgossip.com three days before Prince died— https://blindgossip.com/a...-has-aids/ I’m sure he’s aware of the blind item and knew it was about him and wanted to control the narrative that he was addicted to painkillers rather than be known as someone who died of AIDS given the stigma with it especially among African Americans. The silence from his camp on this subject is deafening. Would it have changed your view of Prince had he died from AIDS complications rather than drug OD and would it have affected his legacy?

iamafan said:

I just had a thought tonight that I’m sure others have probably expressed and I just haven’t seen it.... I mentioned earlier that the image he created of himself would come crashing down after he went to rehab and word got out. I wonder how much the fear also got to him that the truth of Moline would get out, and maybe that was overwhelming as well. There’s just so much he was facing and he said so many odd things that it seems to me more and more that he chose the end of his story.

Personally I think that is why he was seen riding his bike around town & throwing that last party at PP. He wanted everybody to believe he was OK and there was nothing wrong.

darlingnikkkki said:

ladygirl99 said:

There was a blind item on blindgossip.com three days before Prince died— https://blindgossip.com/a...-has-aids/ I’m sure he’s aware of the blind item and knew it was about him and wanted to control the narrative that he was addicted to painkillers rather than be known as someone who died of AIDS given the stigma with it especially among African Americans. The silence from his camp on this subject is deafening. Would it have changed your view of Prince had he died from AIDS complications rather than drug OD and would it have affected his legacy?

It was noted in the files on his computer that he did visit the Org. the last few days of his life.

PennyPurple said:

It was noted in the files on his computer that he did visit the Org. the last few days of his life.

He also logged onto a gossip site. I cant remember the name.


Also interesting to note that someone deleted his google account attached to one of his email accounts prior to his death, on April 9, 2016. This was an account that was logged into daily from January 23, 2016 up to April 9, 2016.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

It was noted in the files on his computer that he did visit the Org. the last few days of his life.

He also logged onto a gossip site. I cant remember the name.


Also interesting to note that someone deleted his google account attached to one of his email accounts prior to his death, on April 9, 2016. This was an account that was logged into daily from January 23, 2016 up to April 9, 2016.

https://mtonews.com/

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

It was noted in the files on his computer that he did visit the Org. the last few days of his life.

He also logged onto a gossip site. I cant remember the name.


Also interesting to note that someone deleted his google account attached to one of his email accounts prior to his death, on April 9, 2016. This was an account that was logged into daily from January 23, 2016 up to April 9, 2016.

Didn't he see the Blind Items story too?

darlingnikkkki said:

Yeah but if he had AIDS it would've been in the reports and there's no sign of that.

LoveGalore said:

What reports would it be in? We never saw any actual blood test results. I have no idea if he had an illness but there’s been very little info available outside the drug levels in his blood. They don’t have to release anything outside of what actually caused his heart to stop. AIDS, cancer, whatever didn’t kill him- massive amounts of fentanyl did. (At least that’s my understanding of how “cause of death” is documented. I could be wrong). Although the medical report that was released said NA regarding other significant conditions. Would they really put AIDS there? Who knows.
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Morgaine said:

PeggyO said:

It was felt by some that hydrocodone can metabolize and show up as hydromorphone

So hydromorphone was present in the blood tests Dr S ran? I guess it's possible but very unlikely. From what I've read, when/if hydrocodone metabolizes it does so not only to hydromorphone but also to norhydrocodone (plus other other minor metabolites). So it would be odd to only see hydromorphone present without norhydrocodone if his body metabolized hydrocodone in the blood work from Dr S. I've always thought it was actually hydromorphone because that's also an opiate med aka Dilaudid. It's a stronger opiate than hydrocodone or oxycodone & can also be extended release. Now I'm going to have to search for it here . Thanks for the reply.

This phenomenon has been discussed in the threads already. Please look. There was a medical article stating how this occurs.

There are obvious 'factions' here who will continue to believe what they do.

This has become rather silly.

Aids has been ruled out in Prince's case