PeggyO said:

LoveGalore said:

What I would like to know is...did he take his vest and gloves off as he got home and just tossed them on the ground leading to the bedroom (around 745-8pm according to Kurt)? Seems likely otherwise he would've been wearing something like 4 layers when he died. They said he often communicated via email when they were all present at the compound. So it seems unlikely he was rushing to get help when he was overdosing. But then why did he put his socks and pants on backwards and inside out? Was he so uncoordinated that he was able to put his top shirt and jacket thing on, and his beanie etc... But not coordinated enough to put pants and socks on? Did the coordination deteriorate rapidly, so he was fine enough for the top clothes but not by the second half of his clothing? Was he walking around with nothing but shirt and beanie until he decides to go downstairs via the elevator or was he wearing his clothes like that for the last 24 hours?? With how quickly he passed out in front of Judith Hill during the Moline incident, he really had no chance to get help so it would not surprise me if he started to feel the alarming drowsiness, perhaps similar to what it felt like on the plane, and he panicked. Threw some clothes on and went right to the elevator but didn't make it out and just laid down and passed into unconsciousness until his heart stopped.

Why would he take time to put on socks and hat if he was losing consciousness, those items IMO are not mandatory items if you are in a crisis and if he was going for 'help'... it was stated he had asked everyone to leave that night. There was no one to help (if you are using that scenario)

Also, even if his plan was to hail a car outside, the main road is quite far away and you have to traverse a parking lot, large expanse of lawn, climb down a small hill to get to a small descending pathway and then access the road...almost impossible.

If he was overdosing on that much fent I doubt he had any clue what he was doing or even where he was

herb4 said:

PeggyO said:

Why would he take time to put on socks and hat if he was losing consciousness, those items IMO are not mandatory items if you are in a crisis and if he was going for 'help'... it was stated he had asked everyone to leave that night. There was no one to help (if you are using that scenario)

Also, even if his plan was to hail a car outside, the main road is quite far away and you have to traverse a parking lot, large expanse of lawn, climb down a small hill to get to a small descending pathway and then access the road...almost impossible.

If he was overdosing on that much fent I doubt he had any clue what he was doing or even where he was

I think the link, which is below, to the Associate Press article titled: "Most US Opioid Overdose Deaths Are Accidental, 4% Are Suicide" is informative.

I think the medical examiner's assessment of accidental death was correct.

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2019/12/17/health/ap-us-med-opioid-deaths-.html

Page 151 investigative files

Item 172

Aleve Bottle found next to bed contained 21.5 oblong white pills marked Watson 853 The pills tested from this batch contained only lidocaine.

Prescription bottle found in black bag with KJ's name had 10 pills in them and were found to be only hydrocodone.

Bayer bottle found on nightstand contained 64.5 oblong white marked Watson 853 contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

15 white oblong pills found in tissue paper in jewelry box contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

Yellow pill found in the bottom of the black bag = oxycodone

Target brand vit c bottle located in the suitcase contained 49 whole and 3 halves white oblong pills with Watson 853 = fentanyl & lidocaine.

Prescription bottle in KJ's name from Sara Boo, DDS contained 10 pills which were hydrocodene

Vitamin C bottle #2 found in duffle bag in P's room, contained 54 white oblong pills marked Watson 853. 1 pill showed just lidocaine, another pill showed just hydrocodene, a 3rd pill showed just lidocaine. The bottle contained a mixture of lidocaine and hydrocodene pills.

CVS bottle found in P's room in the Peter Bravestrong bag contained 27 oblong pills contained fentanyl and lidocaine.


^ The above shows me with all the mixing of the pills, P did not know which ones had fentanyl in them or not, especially when they all looked basically the same.

PennyPurple said:

Page 151 investigative files

Item 172

Aleve Bottle found next to bed contained 21.5 oblong white pills marked Watson 853 The pills tested from this batch contained only lidocaine.

Prescription bottle found in black bag with KJ's name had 10 pills in them and were found to be only hydrocodone.

Bayer bottle found on nightstand contained 64.5 oblong white marked Watson 853 contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

15 white oblong pills found in tissue paper in jewelry box contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

Yellow pill found in the bottom of the black bag = oxycodone

Target brand vit c bottle located in the suitcase contained 49 whole and 3 halves white oblong pills with Watson 853 = fentanyl & lidocaine.

Prescription bottle in KJ's name from Sara Boo, DDS contained 10 pills which were hydrocodene

Vitamin C bottle #2 found in duffle bag in P's room, contained 54 white oblong pills marked Watson 853. 1 pill showed just lidocaine, another pill showed just hydrocodene, a 3rd pill showed just lidocaine. The bottle contained a mixture of lidocaine and hydrocodene pills.

CVS bottle found in P's room in the Peter Bravestrong bag contained 27 oblong pills contained fentanyl and lidocaine.


^ The above shows me with all the mixing of the pills, P did not know which ones had fentanyl in them or not, especially when they all looked basically the same.

One correction above.

The Dr. Boo pills were codeine and not hydrocodene

[Edited 12/22/19 12:51pm]

I still have a hard time picturing Prince committing suicide but I'll admit to giving a passing thought. A few things fit:

- He was quite vain and I'm sure would have a hard time dealing with the effects of age on his physical appearance and his body

- In his mid 50's, he was more or less alone, no kids, no wife. Maybe felt lonely and felt he had accomplished all he'd set out to do. Could have been depressed living the relatively isolated lifestyle he led.

However, I think his sudden turn towards introspection and his rather abrupt attempts at finalizing or documenting his legacy tells us more:

- Suicide seems to fly in the face of his faith

- He started the book and seemed really enthusiastic about it. Almost in a hurry to finish it and get it all down.

- He was doing the stripped down P&M shows, planning more (complete with introspective and revealing story telling), and even commented how odd it felt for him to be doing shows by himself.

- He was making rather resigned comments about "music belonging to the young" and gave us the cryptic "wait a few days with your prayers" comment.

- He was releasing stuff at frenetic pace, seeming to want to get it out while he could.

My man was opening up, telling personal stories and seemed to be in a hurry.

This speaks to me as an undisclosed illness and that he knew he was not well somehow. Liver damage makes sense and would explain his deteriorating appearance. Seems like he was in a rush to document things and create a historical record of sorts. Then again: no will so maybe not. But, knowing him, he'd think along the lines of GOD'S WILL and he didn't have any heirs so maybe figured why bother.

I don't think his death was all that mysterious and truly believe it was an accident but I can't shake the idea that his health was poor either. I do think he was a pill addict but not a junkie in the traditional sense or in the way most people think of drug addicts.

PennyPurple said:

Page 151 investigative files

Item 172

Aleve Bottle found next to bed contained 21.5 oblong white pills marked Watson 853 The pills tested from this batch contained only lidocaine.

Prescription bottle found in black bag with KJ's name had 10 pills in them and were found to be only hydrocodone.

Bayer bottle found on nightstand contained 64.5 oblong white marked Watson 853 contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

15 white oblong pills found in tissue paper in jewelry box contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

Yellow pill found in the bottom of the black bag = oxycodone

Target brand vit c bottle located in the suitcase contained 49 whole and 3 halves white oblong pills with Watson 853 = fentanyl & lidocaine.

Prescription bottle in KJ's name from Sara Boo, DDS contained 10 pills which were hydrocodene

Vitamin C bottle #2 found in duffle bag in P's room, contained 54 white oblong pills marked Watson 853. 1 pill showed just lidocaine, another pill showed just hydrocodene, a 3rd pill showed just lidocaine. The bottle contained a mixture of lidocaine and hydrocodene pills.

CVS bottle found in P's room in the Peter Bravestrong bag contained 27 oblong pills contained fentanyl and lidocaine.


^ The above shows me with all the mixing of the pills, P did not know which ones had fentanyl in them or not, especially when they all looked basically the same.

I fully agree

[Edited 12/22/19 12:49pm]

iamafan said:

I guess we will never know Prince’s intentions the night of his death unless someone comes up with a note of some kind. I have a hard time believing he mixed up a bunch of pills. I believe Judith Hill stated the pills on the plane were in the Bayer bottle (which I think she kept calling Bayliss or something like that). He knew those pills almost killed him. And then we saw that Bayer bottle on his nightstand in the police photos. If it wasn’t Prince and just an ordinary Joe who has been talking about how he’s done all he’s had to do, seemed depressed, preferred to be asleep than awake, and died of an OD on the same pills he needed Narcan for less than a week prior, I’m guessing suicide would be highly suspected. Not to mention the day he was found he was supposed to go to rehab, and this image he created for himself would’ve come crashing down. It’s all so very sad regardless of his intent. If physical pain drove his substance abuse, I just wish he would’ve gotten a hip replacement like many seem to do these days. [b][Edited 12/22/19

The investigative file confirms he had hip replacement surgery.

I still have a hard time picturing Prince committing suicide but I'll admit to giving a passing thought. A few things fit:

- He was quite vain and I'm sure would have a hard time dealing with the effects of age on his physical appearance and his body

- In his mid 50's, he was more or less alone, no kids, no wife. Maybe felt lonely and felt he had accomplished all he'd set out to do. Could have been depressed living the relatively isolated lifestyle he led.

However, I think his sudden turn towards introspection and his rather abrupt attempts at finalizing or documenting his legacy tells us more:

- Suicide seems to fly in the face of his faith

- He started the book and seemed really enthusiastic about it. Almost in a hurry to finish it and get it all down.

- He was doing the stripped down P&M shows, planning more (complete with introspective and revealing story telling), and even commented how odd it felt for him to be doing shows by himself.

- He was making rather resigned comments about "music belonging to the young" and gave us the cryptic "wait a few days with your prayers" comment.

- He was releasing stuff at frenetic pace, seeming to want to get it out while he could.

My man was opening up, telling personal stories and seemed to be in a hurry.

This speaks to me as an undisclosed illness and that he knew he was not well somehow. Liver damage makes sense and would explain his deteriorating appearance. Seems like he was in a rush to document things and create a historical record of sorts. Then again: no will so maybe not. But, knowing him, he'd think along the lines of GOD'S WILL and he didn't have any heirs so maybe figured why bother.

I don't think his death was all that mysterious and truly believe it was an accident but I can't shake the idea that his health was poor either. I do think he was a pill addict but not a junkie in the traditional sense or in the way most people think of
[Edited 12/22/19 13:26pm]

Thank you. Sorry it wouldn't let me copy and paste, so I had to do it all manually.

It would make it so much easier if I could find a way to paste these pages here.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

Page 151 investigative files

Item 172

Aleve Bottle found next to bed contained 21.5 oblong white pills marked Watson 853 The pills tested from this batch contained only lidocaine.

Prescription bottle found in black bag with KJ's name had 10 pills in them and were found to be only hydrocodone.

Bayer bottle found on nightstand contained 64.5 oblong white marked Watson 853 contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

15 white oblong pills found in tissue paper in jewelry box contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

Yellow pill found in the bottom of the black bag = oxycodone

Target brand vit c bottle located in the suitcase contained 49 whole and 3 halves white oblong pills with Watson 853 = fentanyl & lidocaine.

Prescription bottle in KJ's name from Sara Boo, DDS contained 10 pills which were hydrocodene

Vitamin C bottle #2 found in duffle bag in P's room, contained 54 white oblong pills marked Watson 853. 1 pill showed just lidocaine, another pill showed just hydrocodene, a 3rd pill showed just lidocaine. The bottle contained a mixture of lidocaine and hydrocodene pills.

CVS bottle found in P's room in the Peter Bravestrong bag contained 27 oblong pills contained fentanyl and lidocaine.


^ The above shows me with all the mixing of the pills, P did not know which ones had fentanyl in them or not, especially when they all looked basically the same.

One correction above.

The Dr. Boo pills were codeine and not hydrocodene

[Edited 12/22/19 12:51pm]

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

iamafan said:

I guess we will never know Prince’s intentions the night of his death unless someone comes up with a note of some kind. I have a hard time believing he mixed up a bunch of pills. I believe Judith Hill stated the pills on the plane were in the Bayer bottle (which I think she kept calling Bayliss or something like that). He knew those pills almost killed him. And then we saw that Bayer bottle on his nightstand in the police photos. If it wasn’t Prince and just an ordinary Joe who has been talking about how he’s done all he’s had to do, seemed depressed, preferred to be asleep than awake, and died of an OD on the same pills he needed Narcan for less than a week prior, I’m guessing suicide would be highly suspected. Not to mention the day he was found he was supposed to go to rehab, and this image he created for himself would’ve come crashing down. It’s all so very sad regardless of his intent. If physical pain drove his substance abuse, I just wish he would’ve gotten a hip replacement like many seem to do these days. [b][Edited 12/22/19

The investigative file confirms he had hip replacement surgery.

Yes, to the bolded.

I believe he needed the other hip replaced as well.

[Edited 12/22/19 17:47pm]

[Edited 12/22/19 17:50pm]

herb4 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

LoveGalore said:

iamafan said:

laytonian said:

laytonian said:

iamafan said:

I don’t think the results of the fluid by the elevator buttons was ever released,was it?

It wasn't tested. My own opinion is that he was trying to purge the pills.

It was swabbed a few days later and sent in for testing. I never did see the results of that swab any where in the paper work.

How do you know he didnt take legit pills that night??

His legit pills were in his black bag by the bed.

laytonian said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The real mystery is P had hydrocodone and oxycodone in his urine and fentanyl in his blood.

At some point that night he took legit script drugs but later decided to take the street drugs.

There were 10 pills left from the oxy script he got from Dr. S in his suitcase by his bed.

He obviously knew the street drugs were stronger, right?

No. He took the legit pills during the day, before he went to see Schulenberg. The bad pills were later and evidently upstairs. You forget that the Moline hospital pharmacist (wrongly) said they looked legit. They also looked identical to the prescription from Dr S.

From my understanding mixing Valium and opioids is very dangerous. I tried to understand the drugs and impact, but it was way confusing.

Phase3 said:

LoveGalore said:

Exactly. I covered that in my post too. Does t make much sense to walk around in backwards clothing if you're sober either.

I think Prince liked to walk around Paisley park sometimes with him clothes on backwards check out the video of Prince and 3rdeyegirl performing "Something in the water" in Manchester.He was ad-libbing and he began the song with these words "Where were U last night"? What was your sweater doing on backwards"? I know it's weird but I think he got a kick out of doing stuff like that

i don't think he was in the mood to be goofing around with his clothes on backwards as he was in withdrawals per Kirk after his visit to Dr. S 4/20.

nelcp777 said:

From my understanding mixing Valium and opioids is very dangerous. I tried to understand the drugs and impact, but it was way confusing.

Kirk was keeping the Valium and was going to give him a dose in the am 'to take the edge off'. If he gave him Valium on 4/20, it was a fairly low dose.

it was the huge amount of Fentanyl that killed Prince

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

How do you know he didnt take legit pills that night??

His legit pills were in his black bag by the bed.

laytonian said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: No. He took the legit pills during the day, before he went to see Schulenberg. The bad pills were later and evidently upstairs. You forget that the Moline hospital pharmacist (wrongly) said they looked legit. They also looked identical to the prescription from Dr S.

I don't think he took the oxys by the bed. As I remember, they were not taken. He probably had access to 'legit' non-Fentanyl laced drugs.

He may have taken some when he got home from Dr S to settle withdrawals.

He may have taken a small dose of Fent before 8pm

He was on the computer till 8:00pm.

As per your last sentence referring to Dr S precribing pills that looked identical...that would be Vicodin.

Dr. S did not prescribe Vicodin, he prescribed Clonidine, Hydroxizine, Ondansetron,(nausea) Valium. These are meds used to treat withdrawal.

PeggyO said:

The only controlled substance Dr. S. prescribed to Prince was diazepam QTY 15 on 4/20/16.

KJ was prescribed (for Prince) 2 controlled substances 1 from Dr. S Oxycodone/Acetaminophen Qty 15 on 4/14/16 & from Dr. Boo, DDS Acetaminophen/COD #3 Qty of 10.

Found in the suitcase was a script for KJ that contained 10 round pills that were Oxycodone.

Found in the trash was the prescription from Dr. Boo which contained the 10 #3's from Dr. Boo.

So by the looks of it, 5 pills were missing from KJ's script for Prince from Dr. S. that was prescribed on 4/14.

iamafan said:

LoveGalore said:

iamafan said:

I guess we will never know Prince’s intentions the night of his death unless someone comes up with a note of some kind. I have a hard time believing he mixed up a bunch of pills. I believe Judith Hill stated the pills on the plane were in the Bayer bottle (which I think she kept calling Bayliss or something like that). He knew those pills almost killed him. And then we saw that Bayer bottle on his nightstand in the police photos. If it wasn’t Prince and just an ordinary Joe who has been talking about how he’s done all he’s had to do, seemed depressed, preferred to be asleep than awake, and died of an OD on the same pills he needed Narcan for less than a week prior, I’m guessing suicide would be highly suspected. Not to mention the day he was found he was supposed to go to rehab, and this image he created for himself would’ve come crashing down. It’s all so very sad regardless of his intent. If physical pain drove his substance abuse, I just wish he would’ve gotten a hip replacement like many seem to do these days. [Edited 12/22/19 13:07pm]

He swore he wouldn't be doing another hip surgery after the first. Something he did not like about being put under. I do think the rest of your post is quite on the mark. Prince spent 40 years singing anti drug songs and found himself in the absolute depths of pill dependency. After that first overdose, his life was going to rapidly change even if he stayed alive longer than another week.

I too read that he wouldn't want another hip surgery, which just seems so crazy to me. To someone on the outside, it just seems so much better to 'go under' again than to be caught in the grips of dependency and going to the street to get relief. And, it seems to me that 'going under' probably isn't that much different than being 'out of it' on drugs. I don't know, I just wish things could have been different. It is hard to rationalize something like this I guess.

PennyPurple said:

The only controlled substance Dr. S. prescribed to Prince was diazepam QTY 15 on 4/20/16.

KJ was prescribed (for Prince) 2 controlled substances 1 from Dr. S Oxycodone/Acetaminophen Qty 15 on 4/14/16 & from Dr. Boo, DDS Acetaminophen/COD #3 Qty of 10.

Found in the suitcase was a script for KJ that contained 10 round pills that were Oxycodone.

Found in the trash was the prescription from Dr. Boo which contained the 10 #3's from Dr. Boo.

So by the looks of it, 5 pills were missing from KJ's script for Prince from Dr. S. that was prescribed on 4/14.

Dr. S prescribed oxy so it doesnt explain why hydro was also found in his urine.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

One correction above.

The Dr. Boo pills were codeine and not hydrocodene

[Edited 12/22/19 12:51pm]

Thanks.

Oh....and Hey There to all you posters who are talking crap about other org members who are posting here We see you on your high horse and are enjoying the hypocrisy poser.

PeggyO said: