And scrutinizing the words helps, at least a little, to understand what would lead what most would call an intelligent man to dip from the bottle ever again. His indignation, which needed to be "calmed dowwn" by Judith, and insistance that he would've woken up (lol) is really telling. . He's either really ignorant, arrogant, and naive... Or he was lying. For a man who spent decades preaching "the truth" to be caught in such obvious lies is wild to me. Why did he look at doctors so adversarial? I don't get it. They're saving your life, what's your problem. Do you not want to live? . Oh. Hmm. Considering his conversation earlier that night? Maybe he didn't. | |
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lavendardrummachine said:
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lavendardrummachine said:
Really appreciate this post. Thank you! | |
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Another thing that I just remembered is Prince's last Twitter avatar of his face with a tear coming down from his closed eyes Does anyone remember how long prince had that particular avatar? | |
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I don't know if I'm persona non grata around here or not.
If I have read the police files numerous times. Read information on leaked toxicology information. Viewed all the photographs. Immersed myself in Prince's artistic output and those of others associated with him and not assoicated with him. Read books of associates. Read written interviews and video and audio interviews. After all that, I believe I am fairly certian of my OPINION, that Prince's death was a suicide. I believe my opionion is based in fact based on evidence in the police file and other items I mention above.
Is this classified as a conspiracy theory?
The moderator does not define what is considered a conspiracy theory.
My Opinion:
Peggy O. is right. He knew the difference between the pills.
Prince did not OD after the airplane incident from Friday to Wednesday even though he had and abundance of Fentanyl as his disposal. Prince had no Fentanyl in his system when giving blood and urine samples to Dr. S. the evening before his death because tests of the blood and urine show there was no Fentanyl.
Yet only a few hours later he dies with 67.8 mcg of Fentanyl in his blood, 435 mcg of Fentanyl in his liver and 14,000 mcg of Fentanyl in his stomach. Notes in the police file that states that the Medical Examiner told police there was "no doubt" that the Fentanyl was ingested "by mouth in pill form".
Can you read the writing on the wall?
Prince knew exactly what he was doing. He knew he was taking Fentanyl. He knew how much Fentanyl he was taking. And he knew what the outcome would be in taking that much Fentanyl.
Here is a link to leaked toxicology information. This article says Fentanyl was in milligrams. I believe that is a wrong calibration as Fentanyl being so powerful in small amounts is calculated in mcg. (However, if it was truely milligrams than that is so large an amount that it is almost beyond belief.)
I estimate that Prince took at least 30 pills and maybe even close to 50 pills in a very short period of time. That is not a mistake. That is not an accident. That is intent.
https://kstp.com/medical/...h/4491091/
I've always thought his death was a suicide. Especially after hearing about that strange statement about giving it a few days and not to waste your prayers. Thats a view imo of his intentions. | |
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He made sure he died on the 21st of April It was suicide. He didn't like showing weakness he was always in control and made sure he had full control over his death and the amount of fentanyl he had taken was to make sure nothing can save him. | |
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For example, as noted before and interacting with questions of premeditation, while depressive episodes involve much significant pain, they don't consist of a "single" mood state that is absolutely unchanging in quality and intensity. An internal state that makes for a suicide attempt in one day/hour doesn't mean that has to be the case in the next day/hour.
As to a will, while some say that there had been wills in place in the past, others describe instances of being rebuffed when raising the subject. Obviously, all can be true.
Yes, too, to the bolded.
Also, to add to the bolded possibilites of what may have made for a change, there was the state of the national (U.S.) situation connected to fentanyl.
And as also noted before, addiction can cause and/or worsen other health conditions. [Edited 1/6/20 8:51am] | |
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I also don't think it was super-premeditated. The week after Moline must have been very taxing with damage control, trying to regulate after the Narcan, perhaps being quite sick, feeling as though he would have to answer to the public/fans for drug use etc. | |
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I guess it depends on what one means when they say super premeditated. . Like, was he planning it since September '15? Probably not would be my guess. Was he coming to terms with the notion that he was over it all weeks in advanced? Quite possibly. Did he know by the time he was doing the ATL shows? I have no doubt that if he killed himself, he knew he was gonna do it by then. | |
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Yes, the booths downstaris which were caddy-corner to the elevator. Almost four years later and something about that scene still rubs me the wrong way. Its oodd because the sunglasses (and I believe a set of keys ... have to review photo again) were placed on the corner away from the food. You would expect the sunglasses to have been directly next to the food. A person sits down and then places their eyeglasses/sunglasses next to them. Also, I don't recall any silverware being near the food. Just takeout containers and some sauce. Did P mean to eat the food? or was someone else at Paisely with him the eve of April 20th? Was P seated in the booth (side of sunglasses) and someone else was seated (side of food). Hence, seated face to face? I'm still working on my hypothesis of his demise and it's not inclusive of suicide. | |
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I think that the things people mention as ongoing projects not indicative of a suicidal man are the sorts of projects someone begins when trying to convince themselves they're not suicidal. If that makes sense. Things to reinvigorate someone. Getting back to basics and doing a piano tour like he always wanted to and that his fans wanted (he mentioned not knowing what he was gonna play cuz he won't have a band which seems exciting). Writing a book with someone, where he gets the opportunity to discuss all the meaningful things in his life with someone who was by no means a lifelong Prince aficionado. . Things that would pull a person above water just enough to not be really depressed and irritated by his ongoing health issues, ya know? . I've said this before, but I reckon that if it were difficult for me to consider Prince killing himself (it isn't, but if it were), then I'd probably find it easier to believe he wasn't cautious enough to protect himself from a happy accident of sorts. At least then he doesn't have the karmic debt of having killed himself, right? It was an accident! Nevermind that it was from a bottle he knew was lethal and nevermind that he had enough in his stomach to kill a small village. | |
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Why assume that he sat down in the booth? . https://www.youtube.com/w...vjK_9qxy1I . Imagine he has his glasses and keys in one hand and the food in the other. He stands at the end of the table and places them down. Then he goes upstairs to take his pills because he's about to eat. | |
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I think I read the sunglasses were Meron's.
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PeggyO said:
I think I read the sunglasses were Meron's.
They do look like lady sunglasses, but you never know with Prince. Lol. | |
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He always said if you wanted to know more about him to listen to his music
U Know has the line ‘if you want to know more about this cancer you must rewind. et a second opinion. Then there was way back home Also look at the backdrop for the P&M gigs. It’s a mandala - The meaning of the word mandala in Sanskrit is circle. Mandala is a spiritual and ritual symbol in Hinduism and Buddhism, representing the universe. The circular designs symbolizes the idea that life is never ending and everything is connected. The mandala also represents spiritual journey within the individual viewer 21/04 had a full cherry moon - he wore the moon phases during the P&M Tour. I believe the Moline overdose was an accident but showed him a peaceful out those that state he wouldn’t due to religion need to understand that also he had a love for god he didn’t follow any real religion to the letter of the law Finally the year on the avatar was added by Prince and Martin Homent states his version didn’t contain the year [Edited 1/7/20 0:34am] | |
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I am reading right now his memoirs, and it appears to me for the first time that he probably killed himself. . This autobiography project was clearly going nowhere, and he knew it. He wrote like 28 pages in a hurry, and then completely gave up. He already had told the best parts in this 28 pages. The rest of his life was showbusiness, sadness and weirdness. . The fact that he wanted to give up playing guitar, give up releasing albums and being a writer (!) But couldn't write a book alone screams out loud that something was clearly dead in him and that he desperately searched for something else, another reason to live other than being a musician. . He couldn't dance anymore, couldn t write, couldn't even sell his recent releases more than 30.000 copies worldwide. . He was clearly bored and depressed. | |
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LoveGalore said:
I think that the things people mention as ongoing projects not indicative of a suicidal man are the sorts of projects someone begins when trying to convince themselves they're not suicidal. If that makes sense. Things to reinvigorate someone. Getting back to basics and doing a piano tour like he always wanted to and that his fans wanted (he mentioned not knowing what he was gonna play cuz he won't have a band which seems exciting). Writing a book with someone, where he gets the opportunity to discuss all the meaningful things in his life with someone who was by no means a lifelong Prince aficionado. . Things that would pull a person above water just enough to not be really depressed and irritated by his ongoing health issues, ya know? . I've said this before, but I reckon that if it were difficult for me to consider Prince killing himself (it isn't, but if it were), then I'd probably find it easier to believe he wasn't cautious enough to protect himself from a happy accident of sorts. At least then he doesn't have the karmic debt of having killed himself, right? It was an accident! Nevermind that it was from a bottle he knew was lethal and nevermind that he had enough in his stomach to kill a small village. LoveGalore- Yo post makes sense to me. I have had the same thoughts too. And the happy accident possible scenario has played in my mind as well. Like a Russian roulette type of situation in his mind. [Edited 1/6/20 20:06pm] [Edited 1/6/20 20:08pm] "A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince | |
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Yeah, I think it is communal prosperity through the lens of self development, if that makes sense. If you're doing this, this, and this for yourself then not only does the community benefit, but you don't have time to be terrorizing other people anyway. Whether or not that self development ever actually ends (or should end) is in the eye of the beholder, I think. | |
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I was always under the impression the glass, keys and food on the table were Kirks. I also thought Meron's keys were in the Production Room. Prince's food from the chef was in the fridge, untouched. I will have to look again and get the photo numbers. Anyways, I always thought that Kirk, Meron and Andrew came in the side door. Meron and Andrew waited in the Product Room when Kirk went looking for Prince. I believe that Kirk set his stuff in the dinnette area, then went looking for Prince. When he could not locate Prince, he came back for Meron to help. My speculation. As for the clothes on backwards, I am inclined to believe that Prince dressed in a hurry at Dr. S. I do not believe he removed his clothes all night at PP. With so many space heaters, I get the impression he was cold a lot. We know Prince and Kirk arrived at PP around 8 pm. I think Meron said her and Kirk stayed till around 1030. I wonder what they did. According to the chef, Prince went straight to his private areas. I wonder if Prince used the computer or ipad in the yellow office sometime. It will explain his jacket and gloves on the floor. | |
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