authorbest said:

This is my last post here.

I think everybody knows my position here.

Prince's death was a suicide.

The suicide was a liebestod (love/death) a la Romeo and Juliet (I am forbidden to mention the name of the Juliet in this case. If you want to know more detail go back and read my posts.)

I will leave you with these final tidbits:

The Midwest Medical Examiner, who did the Prince autopsy, issued a press release on June 2, 2016 stating the manner of death in the Prince case as an 'accident'.

Judith Hill was not interview until June 16, 2016.

There is no note in the police file that the information Judith Hill provided was ever forwarded to the Medical Examiner for consideration.

So the information Judith Hill provided was not considered in concluding a manner of death. At the time, the sheriff and DEA were clearly entirely focused on the source of Fentanyl and Judith Hill had no information in that regard.

The Carver County Sherriff did not collect Prince's desk top computer ever in the course of the investigation, even though Judith Hill clearly stated in her interview that the desk top computer in the office was the main computer Prince used.

There were allegations of files deleted on Prince's desk top computer that were never followed up on.

Prince tweeted that he went to Electric Fetus after the airplane incident. Here is a link to the CDs he purchased.

https://www.mprnews.org/s...tric-fetus

Four of these purchases can be seen in police photographs of the desk in Prince's office under the 10k in cash.

Missing Persons - Greatest Hits - Most notable song 'Words'

The Chamber Brothers - Most notable song 'Time Has Come, Today'

Joni Mitchell - Hejira - Look up the meaning of Hejira

Stevie Wonder - Talking Book

It is my belief that Prince left these CDs, the 10k, and the Purple Rain Tour Book on the desk for a reason. Do you? If yes, what is his message?

The Purple Rain Tour was 1984-1985.

Do you think it a coincidence that these items were left on his desk on the day he died in 2016?

I leave you all to your Eyes Wide Shut discussion.

Don't let the door hit ya
where the good Lord split ya.

LoveGalore said:

What? She describes him as tired and depressed both before and after the two Atlanta shows.

Not accurate. You're cherry picking her statements. She describes him being more talkative with celebrities backstage, and later says "Um, he's talking. He's got more pep in his step" and mentions the Fleetwood Mac conversation and reminiscing, and "he seemed like was was better".

lavendardrummachine said:

It is accurate. What happened on the plane?

authorbest said:
So who is credible? I've given much thought to this issue and I find Judith Hill the most credible and honorable person in this whole episode. And that is why Prince, I believe, loved her as much as he loved Denise as indicated in her video to Back In Time.

Oh lordy. You're in love with them both but that's neither here nor there. I even recall an interview where Judith Hill herself danced around her relationship with Prince as something other than romantic. Not that it matters, she was there for some of it, but she was also on the outside for other parts of this. I appreciate you knowing where I was going with my "reborn" comment. Your post about Prince leaving the Purple Rain tourbook on his desk as a reference to Vanity of all people doesn't totally connect. The tour was obviously after their relationship, tied to a movie that she wasn't in. I think Prince really cared for all the people he let into his life during that era. Susan Rogers is the only one he had a bone to pick with. The rest have really touching stories about reconnecting with him at some point, and him taking a legit interest in them, their families, their lives, in a really familial way. The story about Brenda and Susan Moonsie reconnecting is really indicative of that. The amount Prince was touched by Bobby Z.'s heart attack was surprising. So let's keep some perspective on how he reacted to Denise's death, which definitely wasn't the reaction of a man who was obsessed with her, and was singing about her every night, because he wasn't.

PennyPurple said:

bondno9 said:

Sharonash said: Right. He said that “someone” told him the pills would help him relax. Also, there was that unknown food on the table. Can’t remember if it was confirmed where it came from. It’s weird because it looked untouched. Very neatly placed on the table. Also pair of sunglasses on the table. You then have the gloves and vest on the table. So, he arrives at PP on eve of 4/20/16. Sets food and sunglasses on table. Heads to green room. Takes off shoes. Starts feeling “sick.” Heads back downstairs with intent to eat thinking that will help. Leaves room. Possibly feels “hot” Throws off jacket and gloves in hallway. Gets on elevator and sadly never makes it back downstairs to eat. What happened to P is that he trusted someone that caused a sad ending. It’s easy to narrow down who that “someone” is.

Huh? I thought his living and eating quarters where the food was at, was upstairs?? He came in, went upstairs to his living quarters and took his jacket and gloves off and left them laying where he took them off at. The kitchen in his living quarters is upstairs, same level.

Hey Penny! I dont think there was an eating area upstairs.

There was a dinette/kitchen area downstairs, along with a chef kitchen.

I think the food was left on a table in the dinette area downstairs.

LoveGalore said:

lavendardrummachine said:

Not accurate. You're cherry picking her statements. She describes him being more talkative with celebrities backstage, and later says "Um, he's talking. He's got more pep in his step" and mentions the Fleetwood Mac conversation and reminiscing, and "he seemed like was was better".

It is accurate. What happened on the plane?

We know he OD's on the flight. Not up for discussion. That doesn't explain your version of things. Also inaccurate was the portrayol of Prince upset that his life was saved. What he becomes upset about is the use of a counter-active drug he didn't have consent to, because he's trying to deflect what's in his body (which was suppoedly minor) as the cause of any problems, but freaks out over the rescue drug administered. He's worried how that drug will interact. That's different than being upset someone disrupted his suicide attempt. She also describes that he went for the follow up tests, blood draw, and looking into other causes like organ failure. Judith Hill isn't saying she thinks he commited suicide, she's saying she doesn't have handle on what happened. Nobody should be using her statements as conclusive proof. Let alone misleading people from what she actually said.

lavendardrummachine said:

1) I didn't write the comments about him being upset regarding narcan but you're making up just as much as he was to explain it. At least he only used Prince's actual words.

2) He was depressed again on the plane.

3) Going to the tests days after isn't terribly helpful. They wanted blood draws done right there at Moline to see what the fuck was in him and he refused because he knew it would give cause to their concern.

LoveGalore said:

lavendardrummachine said:

We know he OD's on the flight. Not up for discussion. That doesn't explain your version of things. Also inaccurate was the portrayol of Prince upset that his life was saved. What he becomes upset about is the use of a counter-active drug he didn't have consent to, because he's trying to deflect what's in his body (which was suppoedly minor) as the cause of any problems, but freaks out over the rescue drug administered. He's worried how that drug will interact. That's different than being upset someone disrupted his suicide attempt. She also describes that he went for the follow up tests, blood draw, and looking into other causes like organ failure. Judith Hill isn't saying she thinks he commited suicide, she's saying she doesn't have handle on what happened. Nobody should be using her statements as conclusive proof. Let alone misleading people from what she actually said.

1) I didn't write the comments about him being upset regarding narcan but you're making up just as much as he was to explain it. At least he only used Prince's actual words. 2) He was depressed again on the plane. 3) Going to the tests days after isn't terribly helpful. They wanted blood draws done right there at Moline to see what the fuck was in him and he refused because he knew it would give cause to their concern.

He seemed to be somewhat fixated on the Narcan likely to deflect from knowing he took some strong stuff that he did not want publicized.

Judith Hill's comments were nuanced. She said he was sometimes depressed, talking about being bored, having finished coming what he was here to do, etc. When asked about about suicidality, she thought it was' 50/50.'

I don't think he tried to commit suicide on the plane as I don't think he would have purposely have done that to her.

PeggyO said:

Fixated on the narcan is one thing, but he was indignant. That strikes me as very very odd. I get that he was alarmed and likely wanted to deflect a bit, but he was portraying the doctors as having done something wrong or violated him. The end result of this violation being his survival.

Maybe he was upset because he felt it would be gods will to take him then and there if that's what happened. Maybe he didn't feel doctors should ever intervene at all. The gods will thing is such a slippery slope that it almost feels not worth talking about though. He did plenty of his own interventions.

A person doesn't need to base their entire perspective on a few outliers here and there, but the pieces so nicely fit together to portray something very unsavory.

I keep going back to this but if it were anyone but prince, this wouldn't be so hot of a debate.

I still see it as deflection, something to lead others to focus on the Narcan instead of his contribution.

He likely did not know much about Narcan and could have been genuinely troubled about this 'wild-card' drug. He was used to being in charge (both of his drugs and others)

😳 400 comments?

PeggyO said:

Little did he know that narcan's primary function is exactly what it did. Deflecting onto the narcan only draws ever more attention to the fact he was overdosing on opiates.

LoveGalore said:

1) I didn't write the comments about him being upset regarding narcan but you're making up just as much as he was to explain it. At least he only used Prince's actual words. 2) He was depressed again on the plane. 3) Going to the tests days after isn't terribly helpful. They wanted blood draws done right there at Moline to see what the fuck was in him and he refused because he knew it would give cause to their concern.

Not what she says. Please provide actual quotes for now on.


He opted to follow up and do the additional testing despite being adverse to drug tests, and doctors. If you're a attempting suicide, you don't start the process to test your organs, or have blood drawn. It is in fact what Judith Hill cites as helpful to inform her opinion over whether he was suicidal, and a reason she uses to have doubts.

LoveGalore said:

Fixated on the narcan is one thing, but he was indignant. That strikes me as very very odd. I get that he was alarmed and likely wanted to deflect a bit, but he was portraying the doctors as having done something wrong or violated him. The end result of this violation being his survival. Maybe he was upset because he felt it would be gods will to take him then and there if that's what happened. Maybe he didn't feel doctors should ever intervene at all. The gods will thing is such a slippery slope that it almost feels not worth talking about though. He did plenty of his own interventions. A person doesn't need to base their entire perspective on a few outliers here and there, but the pieces so nicely fit together to portray something very unsavory. I keep going back to this but if it were anyone but prince, this wouldn't be so hot of a debate.

Fiction. Please quote Judith Hill directly where he's "indignant". She describes that he was confident he would have woken up on his own, and is concerned about what they put in his body and the harm it could do, instead of being concerned about his own pills and what induced the problem.

You've been preaching that Judith Hill is irrefutable, but your version is not in the text of her interview.

lavendardrummachine said:

LoveGalore said:

Fixated on the narcan is one thing, but he was indignant. That strikes me as very very odd. I get that he was alarmed and likely wanted to deflect a bit, but he was portraying the doctors as having done something wrong or violated him. The end result of this violation being his survival. Maybe he was upset because he felt it would be gods will to take him then and there if that's what happened. Maybe he didn't feel doctors should ever intervene at all. The gods will thing is such a slippery slope that it almost feels not worth talking about though. He did plenty of his own interventions. A person doesn't need to base their entire perspective on a few outliers here and there, but the pieces so nicely fit together to portray something very unsavory. I keep going back to this but if it were anyone but prince, this wouldn't be so hot of a debate.

Fiction. Please quote Judith Hill directly where he's "indignant". She describes that he was confident he would have woken up on his own, and is concerned about what they put in his body and the harm it could do, instead of being concerned about his own pills and what induced the problem.

You've been preaching that Judith Hill is irrefutable, but your version is not in the text of her interview.

Fiction is a strong word. I think reading between the lines about harm to his body (from Narcan) is a sort of deflection/denial response on his part when he was likely taking large amounts of opiates/other drugs on the regular. (which can cause 'harm')

lavendardrummachine said:

Zzzzzz

TrivialPursuit said:

Most of the bottles were of supplements. I can prove it but i dont know how to upload pictures here. Anyway prince was sick for the last 2 years. he looked like a skeleton. He must have suffered severe pain.

Sharonash said:

TrivialPursuit said:

You spelled Fentanyl wrong.

Most of the bottles were of supplements. I can prove it but i dont know how to upload pictures here. Anyway prince was sick for the last 2 years. he looked like a skeleton. He must have suffered severe pain.

You will have to raise your game to be taken seriously here. You have to support your comments with what is known. I would suggest reading the Investigative files for a start.

How do you deduce severe pain with being skeletal?

PeggyO said:

Listen i dont think i get instructions from u. Any way if it hard to u to understand he took opioids and supplements to relieve pain. Opiods cause u to loose weight. Kapish?

I've seen rumors from others that Prince has had overdoses before, (I forget what years) but if that is the case why did he act like he had never heard of or had narcan before? Was it really his first overdose? Are they just rumors?
And... Were there "bad pills" with fentanyl before April 2016 or so? Or was this a new thing, a new source of pills? Hmm... Who knows?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

Huh? I thought his living and eating quarters where the food was at, was upstairs?? He came in, went upstairs to his living quarters and took his jacket and gloves off and left them laying where he took them off at. The kitchen in his living quarters is upstairs, same level.

Hey Penny! I dont think there was an eating area upstairs.

There was a dinette/kitchen area downstairs, along with a chef kitchen.

I think the food was left on a table in the dinette area downstairs.

Is it where the booth is at?

AllSe7en said:

I've seen rumors from others that Prince has had overdoses before, (I forget what years) but if that is the case why did he act like he had never heard of or had narcan before? Was it really his first overdose? Are they just rumors? And... Were there "bad pills" with fentanyl before April 2016 or so? Or was this a new thing, a new source of pills? Hmm... Who knows?

Because back in the day, they pumped your stomach.

PennyPurple said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Hey Penny! I dont think there was an eating area upstairs.

There was a dinette/kitchen area downstairs, along with a chef kitchen.

I think the food was left on a table in the dinette area downstairs.

Is it where the booth is at?

Yes, the booths are in the dinette area downstairs.

Sharonash said:

PeggyO said:

You will have to raise your game to be taken seriously here. You have to support your comments with what is known. I would suggest reading the Investigative files for a start.

How do you deduce severe pain with being skeletal?

Listen i dont think i get instructions from u. Any way if it hard to u to understand he took opioids and supplements to relieve pain. Opiods cause u to loose weight. Kapish?

1. Listen sweetie, one doesn't take a supplement to stop the pain. Supplements aren't pain relievers, especially in the case of hip pain.
2. It's "lose." Loose is what you are after an anal gang bang.
3. It's "capisce."
4. Skeletal doesn't equal pain.
5. You have no evidence of how long Prince was sick. Two years? So he was super okie dokie before 2014? Is that your time frame? He was just running around the Park, kick up his heels on a rainbow unicorn or something?
6. You'd do well to take PeggyO's advice. Your answers are haphazard and not based on the truth. If you're a Prince fan (and not this troll you're portraying yourself as), then you'd know Prince always taught to seek the truth. You want to rattle on about supplements you saw in a photo as if he was taking fish oil and Ginko Biloba for a decades-long problem - you go right ahead. But understand your ignorance has consequences.

PennyPurple said:

You'd die before then on fentanyl. Narcan has been used since the 70s and has become a vital tool in the kit of first responders since Oxycontin becoming the prescription du jour,

Whatever he overdosed on before was not like overdosing on fentanyl.

LoveGalore said:

PennyPurple said:

Because back in the day, they pumped your stomach.

You'd die before then on fentanyl. Narcan has been used since the 70s and has become a vital tool in the kit of first responders since Oxycontin becoming the prescription du jour, Whatever he overdosed on before was not like overdosing on fentanyl.

True.

I also think his concern about the Narcan was total deflection. I’m guessing Prince knew what Narcan was based on the comment Kirk made in Moline when he said this couldn’t keep happening. (Maybe it was a first for Narcan though? Or maybe I’m mis-remembering). Although Kirk said the same night to JH that Prince’s problem was obviously worse than he thought or something? I find Kirk’s comments contradictory if he was just then realizing the depth of the problem yet this “kept happening”. I can’t decide if Kirk is a big liar, always trying to do damage control, or both.

Also, someone (maybe PeggyO) said there was a suicide attempt in 2010- I hadn’t heard that before. Was that well known? Or did I read that post wrong?

iamafan said:

I'm still unclear what the end result of that deflection is supposed to be. So what if they used narcan? He said "it's one thing if it was something I chose" - how would he choose that if he were unconscious? If he were in a coma, would he be upset that the doctors gave him meds to stay alive? It makes no sense.

They don't use narcan for aspirin overdoses. Wanna know why? Aspirin overdoses don't immediately start to kill you within minutes. They knew exactly what was going on with him and they made the only call they could in order to prevent his death. Literally any other measure would result in him dying right there within minutes. And they used both doses in the dual injectors that narcan typically comes in. Thst is a big deal because it doesn't usually take two shots like that. Two is reserved for the big Whopper ODs.

Let's say it was deflection and JH also got irate. Then what? "Well you would've died." Okay, great.
[Edited 1/4/20 10:11am]

LoveGalore said:

I meant Prince was focusing on the Narcan so he didn’t have to talk about the real problem- the pills in the Bayer bottle. That’s what I meant by deflection.

TrivialPursuit said:

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