nelcp777 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

We dont know if those were P's sunglasses, or whether he had been wearing sunglasses that day.

The video of P entering Dr. S's office that day shows he was not wearing sunglasses when he was outside.

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I was always under the impression the glass, keys and food on the table were Kirks. I also thought Meron's keys were in the Production Room. Prince's food from the chef was in the fridge, untouched. I will have to look again and get the photo numbers.

Anyways, I always thought that Kirk, Meron and Andrew came in the side door. Meron and Andrew waited in the Product Room when Kirk went looking for Prince. I believe that Kirk set his stuff in the dinnette area, then went looking for Prince.

When he could not locate Prince, he came back for Meron to help. My speculation.

As for the clothes on backwards, I am inclined to believe that Prince dressed in a hurry at Dr. S. I do not believe he removed his clothes all night at PP. With so many space heaters, I get the impression he was cold a lot.

We know Prince and Kirk arrived at PP around 8 pm. I think Meron said her and Kirk stayed till around 1030. I wonder what they did. According to the chef, Prince went straight to his private areas. I wonder if Prince used the computer or ipad in the yellow office sometime. It will explain his jacket and gloves on the floor.

I wish people would STOP bringing up the clothes on backwards. Prince(r.i.p.) routinely wore his clothes backwards purposely. It had NOTHING to do with his state of mind or someone dressing him.

LoveGalore said:

PeggyO said:

Scrutinizing those words does not prove it but when you add a massive dose of Fentanyl, things change.

And scrutinizing the words helps, at least a little, to understand what would lead what most would call an intelligent man to dip from the bottle ever again. His indignation, which needed to be "calmed dowwn" by Judith, and insistance that he would've woken up (lol) is really telling.

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He's either really ignorant, arrogant, and naive... Or he was lying. For a man who spent decades preaching "the truth" to be caught in such obvious lies is wild to me. Why did he look at doctors so adversarial? I don't get it. They're saving your life, what's your problem. Do you not want to live?

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Oh. Hmm. Considering his conversation earlier that night? Maybe he didn't.

Minor point here, but I think he's been down that road plenty of times before. Just one example:

"Juggling hearts n a 3-ring circus" and all that.

Why hasn't the estate released any of his latest material from the vault? 2014-2016? Maybe they're just focusing on the 80s, but what if there's something in the vault more revealing than say "Way Back Home" or the last words on his last album? We all know Prince would always re-write songs that were too revealing. I bet there's original lyrics to 'Way Back Home' either recorded or written down somewhere.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

nelcp777 said:

I was always under the impression the glass, keys and food on the table were Kirks. I also thought Meron's keys were in the Production Room. Prince's food from the chef was in the fridge, untouched. I will have to look again and get the photo numbers.

Anyways, I always thought that Kirk, Meron and Andrew came in the side door. Meron and Andrew waited in the Product Room when Kirk went looking for Prince. I believe that Kirk set his stuff in the dinnette area, then went looking for Prince.

When he could not locate Prince, he came back for Meron to help. My speculation.

As for the clothes on backwards, I am inclined to believe that Prince dressed in a hurry at Dr. S. I do not believe he removed his clothes all night at PP. With so many space heaters, I get the impression he was cold a lot.

We know Prince and Kirk arrived at PP around 8 pm. I think Meron said her and Kirk stayed till around 1030. I wonder what they did. According to the chef, Prince went straight to his private areas. I wonder if Prince used the computer or ipad in the yellow office sometime. It will explain his jacket and gloves on the floor.

I wish people would STOP bringing up the clothes on backwards. Prince(r.i.p.) routinely wore his clothes backwards purposely. It had NOTHING to do with his state of mind or someone dressing him.

Fan fiction.

rednblue said:

LoveGalore said:

Yeah, I think it is communal prosperity through the lens of self development, if that makes sense. If you're doing this, this, and this for yourself then not only does the community benefit, but you don't have time to be terrorizing other people anyway. Whether or not that self development ever actually ends (or should end) is in the eye of the beholder, I think.

Thank you for bringing up community! Going back to The Beautiful Ones, community figures in a big way in that book. Discussion of Ayn Rand and appreciation of DJ's are just two examples that jump to mind at this moment.

The last idea/question that you noted is formidable. On the opposite end of formidable, it's good to reflect that P created so much with potential to propel personal growth, not only for himself, but for others. He was both musical genius and fallible human. He was imperfect, sometimes highly imperfect , like every person everywhere. From what I've read and heard, P was striking in his tendency to undermine a person's confidence, and also striking in his tendency to boost a person's confidence. When it comes to the latter, he clearly helped people to recognize their own creative potentials. He helped people to see the possibility of creating things that could fuel their own growth, and the growth of others, too.

Not to get too mushy, but one of the few things most all probably agree on is that Prince's art continues to propel self-development in this earthly place. Writing this helps me see one of the reasons why I'm so wildly eager to introduce other people to more and more of P's work. Yes, "wildly" is the word. Just ask my family.

All fair assessments, I think!

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I also think it plays into whatever struggle, internally, a person may have when facing down the things Prince was facing down in his waning years.

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I'll say that during the period where Prince was releasing no albums (2011-2013), it was quite shocking to me. Sure, he was putting out those internet singles or whatever, but this is a man who really always had something to say. And then he followed up LotusFlower, which to me was a huge and epic statement, with a very muted record in 20TEN and then just disappeared.

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When he came back to the spotlight with AOA and PE, the focus still wasn't on him. It was on Joshua Welton, 3EG, Lizzo, etc. Then he threw a bunch of weight behind Andy Allo, Judith Hill, and his bands, etc. Something was just way off ever since the hip surgery and I almost feel like he had come to the point where he had worked on himself so much that he had said what he wanted to say with LotusFlower and by the time 2016 rolls around (7 years later, for the numerologists out there), he's talking about being done and having reached the mountain top.

LoveGalore said:

rednblue said:

Thank you for bringing up community! Going back to The Beautiful Ones, community figures in a big way in that book. Discussion of Ayn Rand and appreciation of DJ's are just two examples that jump to mind at this moment.

The last idea/question that you noted is formidable. On the opposite end of formidable, it's good to reflect that P created so much with potential to propel personal growth, not only for himself, but for others. He was both musical genius and fallible human. He was imperfect, sometimes highly imperfect , like every person everywhere. From what I've read and heard, P was striking in his tendency to undermine a person's confidence, and also striking in his tendency to boost a person's confidence. When it comes to the latter, he clearly helped people to recognize their own creative potentials. He helped people to see the possibility of creating things that could fuel their own growth, and the growth of others, too.

Not to get too mushy, but one of the few things most all probably agree on is that Prince's art continues to propel self-development in this earthly place. Writing this helps me see one of the reasons why I'm so wildly eager to introduce other people to more and more of P's work. Yes, "wildly" is the word. Just ask my family.

All fair assessments, I think!

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I also think it plays into whatever struggle, internally, a person may have when facing down the things Prince was facing down in his waning years.

.

I'll say that during the period where Prince was releasing no albums (2011-2013), it was quite shocking to me. Sure, he was putting out those internet singles or whatever, but this is a man who really always had something to say. And then he followed up LotusFlower, which to me was a huge and epic statement, with a very muted record in 20TEN and then just disappeared.

.

When he came back to the spotlight with AOA and PE, the focus still wasn't on him. It was on Joshua Welton, 3EG, Lizzo, etc. Then he threw a bunch of weight behind Andy Allo, Judith Hill, and his bands, etc. Something was just way off ever since the hip surgery and I almost feel like he had come to the point where he had worked on himself so much that he had said what he wanted to say with LotusFlower and by the time 2016 rolls around (7 years later, for the numerologists out there), he's talking about being done and having reached the mountain top.

Enjoying both of your musings.

LoveGalore said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I wish people would STOP bringing up the clothes on backwards. Prince(r.i.p.) routinely wore his clothes backwards purposely. It had NOTHING to do with his state of mind or someone dressing him.

Fan fiction.

My comments were speculation, not fact. I do not believe that the food in the dinnette was addressed in the investigative files.

Photo 16-0709_0001__469-SLB_DSC_0293 from the folder 16-079 Wiorking Copies, Request 0001, Electronic records 2 is the food the chef prepared for Prince in the refrigerator.

nelcp777 said:

LoveGalore said:

Fan fiction.

My comments were speculation, not fact. I do not believe that the food in the dinnette was addressed in the investigative files.

Photo 16-0709_0001__469-SLB_DSC_0293 from the folder 16-079 Wiorking Copies, Request 0001, Electronic records 2 is the food the chef prepared for Prince in the refrigerator.

No no. I'm referring to CB's statement that Prince liked wearing his clothes backwards as fan fiction.

LoveGalore said:

nelcp777 said:

My comments were speculation, not fact. I do not believe that the food in the dinnette was addressed in the investigative files.

Photo 16-0709_0001__469-SLB_DSC_0293 from the folder 16-079 Wiorking Copies, Request 0001, Electronic records 2 is the food the chef prepared for Prince in the refrigerator.

No no. I'm referring to CB's statement that Prince liked wearing his clothes backwards as fan fiction.

Ask Judith.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

LoveGalore said:

No no. I'm referring to CB's statement that Prince liked wearing his clothes backwards as fan fiction.

Ask Judith.

Give me her phone number and I will, miss thing.

nelcp777 said:

LoveGalore said:

Fan fiction.

My comments were speculation, not fact. I do not believe that the food in the dinnette was addressed in the investigative files.

Photo 16-0709_0001__469-SLB_DSC_0293 from the folder 16-079 Wiorking Copies, Request 0001, Electronic records 2 is the food the chef prepared for Prince in the refrigerator.

If I recall, the food in the dinette was not addressed. Just odd considering the chef allegedly prepared food for P and it was untouched. After visiting Dr. S I wonder if P didn't trust the chef and was going to attempt and eat the other food left in the dinette?!?

[Edited 1/7/20 12:33pm]

LoveGalore said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Ask Judith.

Give me her phone number and I will, miss thing.

For some reason, nobody has yet mentioned the acyclovir he took to treat his rash. At least, I haven't seen any mention of it here, maybe I missed it. I read it in the police files a few years back, screenshot of a cellphone.

I am not sure of the right English word, but I think the disease is called shingles (gordelroos in Dutch). It is very painfull, excruciatingly painfull. I know some one who takes fentanyl to kill that aweful pain, so it figures that also Prince took the stuff, legit or not.

And shingles can be a secundary disease when ones immune system took a hit from cancer treatment. So it isn't that far fetched to assume that he had cancer of some sorts, probably some aggressive form of leukemia. It would explain the weightloss in the last couple of years. As mentioned before, he was very skinny the last year, compared to tour pictures from 2010 when he still had muscles. Of course, this is still speculation, but it is an educated guess.

PennyPurple said:

Page 151 investigative files

Item 172

Aleve Bottle found next to bed contained 21.5 oblong white pills marked Watson 853 The pills tested from this batch contained only lidocaine.

Prescription bottle found in black bag with KJ's name had 10 pills in them and were found to be only hydrocodone.

Bayer bottle found on nightstand contained 64.5 oblong white marked Watson 853 contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

15 white oblong pills found in tissue paper in jewelry box contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

Yellow pill found in the bottom of the black bag = oxycodone

Target brand vit c bottle located in the suitcase contained 49 whole and 3 halves white oblong pills with Watson 853 = fentanyl & lidocaine.

Prescription bottle in KJ's name from Sara Boo, DDS contained 10 pills which were hydrocodene

Vitamin C bottle #2 found in duffle bag in P's room, contained 54 white oblong pills marked Watson 853. 1 pill showed just lidocaine, another pill showed just hydrocodene, a 3rd pill showed just lidocaine. The bottle contained a mixture of lidocaine and hydrocodene pills.

CVS bottle found in P's room in the Peter Bravestrong bag contained 27 oblong pills contained fentanyl and lidocaine.


^ The above shows me with all the mixing of the pills, P did not know which ones had fentanyl in them or not, especially when they all looked basically the same.

LoveGalore said:

rednblue said:

Thank you for bringing up community! Going back to The Beautiful Ones, community figures in a big way in that book. Discussion of Ayn Rand and appreciation of DJ's are just two examples that jump to mind at this moment.

The last idea/question that you noted is formidable. On the opposite end of formidable, it's good to reflect that P created so much with potential to propel personal growth, not only for himself, but for others. He was both musical genius and fallible human. He was imperfect, sometimes highly imperfect , like every person everywhere. From what I've read and heard, P was striking in his tendency to undermine a person's confidence, and also striking in his tendency to boost a person's confidence. When it comes to the latter, he clearly helped people to recognize their own creative potentials. He helped people to see the possibility of creating things that could fuel their own growth, and the growth of others, too.

Not to get too mushy, but one of the few things most all probably agree on is that Prince's art continues to propel self-development in this earthly place. Writing this helps me see one of the reasons why I'm so wildly eager to introduce other people to more and more of P's work. Yes, "wildly" is the word. Just ask my family.

All fair assessments, I think!

.

I also think it plays into whatever struggle, internally, a person may have when facing down the things Prince was facing down in his waning years.

.

I'll say that during the period where Prince was releasing no albums (2011-2013), it was quite shocking to me. Sure, he was putting out those internet singles or whatever, but this is a man who really always had something to say. And then he followed up LotusFlower, which to me was a huge and epic statement, with a very muted record in 20TEN and then just disappeared.

.

When he came back to the spotlight with AOA and PE, the focus still wasn't on him. It was on Joshua Welton, 3EG, Lizzo, etc. Then he threw a bunch of weight behind Andy Allo, Judith Hill, and his bands, etc. Something was just way off ever since the hip surgery and I almost feel like he had come to the point where he had worked on himself so much that he had said what he wanted to say with LotusFlower and by the time 2016 rolls around (7 years later, for the numerologists out there), he's talking about being done and having reached the mountain top.

IMO, "muted" is a good word for much of 20TEN's vibe. Really like how it opens with Compassion, though do realize that Compassion dates back to 2006. Sometimes I'm in the mood for muted, and muted can be a cool album theme, but I for sure see your point about the big contast with overall vibe of Lotusflo3er album.

Of course, P was known for album release sequences that countered expectations with huge contrasts. Also, Lotusflo3er's companion releases presented plenty of immediate contrast, as well as focus on another (Bria Valente).

You do make a good point about the overall contrast of 2010+ vs. 2000's. I personally find it hard to be unbiased by how much I love some second-half-of-2000s stuff (Deliverance EP, Lotusflo3er, Montreux 2009, etc.), but I see what you mean about the overall way of focus being different, and 2011-2013 (!) gap.

There was so much really great stuff, right through to 2016. I think AvocadosMax had good thoughts/question about vault material 2014-2016 in connection with better understanding P's later outlook.

Back to 20TEN, gotta give props to an album that closes out with "here come the purple Yoda."

[Edited 1/7/20 13:58pm]

bondno9 said:

nelcp777 said:

My comments were speculation, not fact. I do not believe that the food in the dinnette was addressed in the investigative files.

Photo 16-0709_0001__469-SLB_DSC_0293 from the folder 16-079 Wiorking Copies, Request 0001, Electronic records 2 is the food the chef prepared for Prince in the refrigerator.

If I recall, the food in the dinette was not addressed. Just odd considering the chef allegedly prepared food for P and it was untouched. After visiting Dr. S I wonder if P didn't trust the chef and was going to attempt and eat the other food left in the dinette?!?

[Edited 1/7/20 12:33pm]

Very possible.

On a seperate note, I found these guideline interesting an interesting read:

https://www.health.state.mn.us/communities/opioids/data/deathreporting.html

nelcp777 said:

bondno9 said:

If I recall, the food in the dinette was not addressed. Just odd considering the chef allegedly prepared food for P and it was untouched. After visiting Dr. S I wonder if P didn't trust the chef and was going to attempt and eat the other food left in the dinette?!?

[Edited 1/7/20 12:33pm]

Very possible.

On a seperate note, I found these guideline interesting an interesting read:

https://www.health.state.mn.us/communities/opioids/data/deathreporting.html

i really think it was simply that he did not feel well and did not have an appetite. He was anxious, 'antsy' and in withdrawal.

[Edited 1/7/20 20:15pm]

PeggyO said:

rednblue said:

People can get shingles at anytime, you don't have to have or had cancer for shingles to appear. It is the chicken pox virus that stays within our systems. Back in the 60's and early 70's they didn't have the chicken pox vaccine that they do now to immunize our children. Most of us had the real deal chicken pox when we were young. Yes, shingles are very painful.

I've not read in any of the files, where Prince had shingles.

I don't know where people are coming up with this stuff at..........

kapo74 said:

For some reason, nobody has yet mentioned the acyclovir he took to treat his rash. At least, I haven't seen any mention of it here, maybe I missed it. I read it in the police files a few years back, screenshot of a cellphone.

I am not sure of the right English word, but I think the disease is called shingles (gordelroos in Dutch). It is very painfull, excruciatingly painfull. I know some one who takes fentanyl to kill that aweful pain, so it figures that also Prince took the stuff, legit or not.

And shingles can be a secundary disease when ones immune system took a hit from cancer treatment. So it isn't that far fetched to assume that he had cancer of some sorts, probably some aggressive form of leukemia. It would explain the weightloss in the last couple of years. As mentioned before, he was very skinny the last year, compared to tour pictures from 2010 when he still had muscles. Of course, this is still speculation, but it is an educated guess.

PennyPurple said:

Page 151 investigative files

Item 172

Aleve Bottle found next to bed contained 21.5 oblong white pills marked Watson 853 The pills tested from this batch contained only lidocaine.

Prescription bottle found in black bag with KJ's name had 10 pills in them and were found to be only hydrocodone.

Bayer bottle found on nightstand contained 64.5 oblong white marked Watson 853 contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

15 white oblong pills found in tissue paper in jewelry box contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

Yellow pill found in the bottom of the black bag = oxycodone

Target brand vit c bottle located in the suitcase contained 49 whole and 3 halves white oblong pills with Watson 853 = fentanyl & lidocaine.

Prescription bottle in KJ's name from Sara Boo, DDS contained 10 pills which were hydrocodene

Vitamin C bottle #2 found in duffle bag in P's room, contained 54 white oblong pills marked Watson 853. 1 pill showed just lidocaine, another pill showed just hydrocodene, a 3rd pill showed just lidocaine. The bottle contained a mixture of lidocaine and hydrocodene pills.

CVS bottle found in P's room in the Peter Bravestrong bag contained 27 oblong pills contained fentanyl and lidocaine.


^ The above shows me with all the mixing of the pills, P did not know which ones had fentanyl in them or not, especially when they all looked basically the same.

PennyPurple said:

People can get shingles at anytime, you don't have to have or had cancer for shingles to appear. It is the chicken pox virus that stays within our systems. Back in the 60's and early 70's they didn't have the chicken pox vaccine that they do now to immunize our children. Most of us had the real deal chicken pox when we were young. Yes, shingles are very painful.

I've not read in any of the files, where Prince had shingles.

I don't know where people are coming up with this stuff at..........

kapo74 said:

For some reason, nobody has yet mentioned the acyclovir he took to treat his rash. At least, I haven't seen any mention of it here, maybe I missed it. I read it in the police files a few years back, screenshot of a cellphone.

I am not sure of the right English word, but I think the disease is called shingles (gordelroos in Dutch). It is very painfull, excruciatingly painfull. I know some one who takes fentanyl to kill that aweful pain, so it figures that also Prince took the stuff, legit or not.

And shingles can be a secundary disease when ones immune system took a hit from cancer treatment. So it isn't that far fetched to assume that he had cancer of some sorts, probably some aggressive form of leukemia. It would explain the weightloss in the last couple of years. As mentioned before, he was very skinny the last year, compared to tour pictures from 2010 when he still had muscles. Of course, this is still speculation, but it is an educated guess.

Don't have time now, but I seem to recollect that both Clindamycin and possibly Acyclovir were ordered for either Kirk of one of his cousins or some such thing. It was not for Prince. Or...

[Edited 1/8/20 13:47pm]

PeggyO said:

PennyPurple said:

People can get shingles at anytime, you don't have to have or had cancer for shingles to appear. It is the chicken pox virus that stays within our systems. Back in the 60's and early 70's they didn't have the chicken pox vaccine that they do now to immunize our children. Most of us had the real deal chicken pox when we were young. Yes, shingles are very painful.

I've not read in any of the files, where Prince had shingles.

I don't know where people are coming up with this stuff at..........

Don't have time now, but I seem to recollect that both Clindamycin and possibly Acyclovir were ordered for either Kirk of one of his cousins or some such thing. It was not for Prince.

It is for a skin virus

I agree, I thought the Acyclovir was prescribed for Kirk. But given how things were prescribed for Kirk that were actually for Prince, who knows. But I believe you can take that for a cold sore as well. Wasn't that medicine found in the garbage can at PP? Trust me, if you had shingles, you would make sure you took that medicine as soon as possible.

iamafan said:

PeggyO said:

Don't have time now, but I seem to recollect that both Clindamycin and possibly Acyclovir were ordered for either Kirk of one of his cousins or some such thing. It was not for Prince.

It is for a skin virus

I agree, I thought the Acyclovir was prescribed for Kirk. But given how things were prescribed for Kirk that were actually for Prince, who knows. But I believe you can take that for a cold sore as well. Wasn't that medicine found in the garbage can at PP? Trust me, if you had shingles, you would make sure you took that medicine as soon as possible.

Agree. Acyclovir is used for viral conditions such as Shingles, Herpes 1 & 2. Usually the result of a stressed immune system. Interesting post. Hmm

[Edited 1/8/20 13:44pm]

PeggyO said:

nelcp777 said:

Very possible.

On a seperate note, I found these guideline interesting an interesting read:

https://www.health.state.mn.us/communities/opioids/data/deathreporting.html

i really think it was simply that he did not feel well and did not have an appetite. He was anxious, 'antsy' and in withdrawal.

[Edited 1/7/20 20:15pm]

I can see that and agree with you.

iamafan said:

PeggyO said:

Don't have time now, but I seem to recollect that both Clindamycin and possibly Acyclovir were ordered for either Kirk of one of his cousins or some such thing. It was not for Prince.

It is for a skin virus

I agree, I thought the Acyclovir was prescribed for Kirk. But given how things were prescribed for Kirk that were actually for Prince, who knows. But I believe you can take that for a cold sore as well. Wasn't that medicine found in the garbage can at PP? Trust me, if you had shingles, you would make sure you took that medicine as soon as possible.

Would that I could exercise restraint but it's wild and windy out. The moon is gonna shine like a spoon. Kick your shoes off. We've had snow squalls and sunshine and who knows what's next. Appears to have affected my mood such that I'm posting to this thread, which I'd determined to leave to the knowledgable. Anyway. I had to take clindamycin once. Nasty piece of work. I had an infection in my jaw, which, you know, is near some important organs, e.g. the brain. There's one prominent nerve in the jaw, the mandibular branch. Nerve-nervous system-brain... stuff. Infections in bone are difficult to treat... low blood flow being the reason? I was prescribed clindamycin. Antibiotics don't have any effect on viruses. Wikipedia says of clindamycin, "It increases the risk of hospital-acquired Clostridium difficile colitis about fourfold and thus is only recommended when other antibiotics are not appropriate." A doctor-relative impressed the fear in me that my infection could be dangerous, so I determined that, hell-or-highwater, I was going to take the whole course of the antibiotic. By day 2, I was experiencing diarrhea. Never mind. I'm doing this. Day 4 or so, I finally informed my dentist and was told to discontinue the antibiotic immediately. 6 months later, yep, I still had diarrhea and not just average, run-of-the-mill but completely uncontrollable. Apparently, from my desperate internet searches at the time, that's not an uncommon side-effect for this antibiotic. Actually, just the other day, a friend reminded me that I looked skeletal. I couldn't absorb much nutrition at all. Very gradually, I recovered.

barnswallow said:

iamafan said:

I agree, I thought the Acyclovir was prescribed for Kirk. But given how things were prescribed for Kirk that were actually for Prince, who knows. But I believe you can take that for a cold sore as well. Wasn't that medicine found in the garbage can at PP? Trust me, if you had shingles, you would make sure you took that medicine as soon as possible.

Would that I could exercise restraint but it's wild and windy out. The moon is gonna shine like a spoon. Kick your shoes off. We've had snow squalls and sunshine and who knows what's next. Appears to have affected my mood such that I'm posting to this thread, which I'd determined to leave to the knowledgable. Anyway. I had to take clindamycin once. Nasty piece of work. I had an infection in my jaw, which, you know, is near some important organs, e.g. the brain. There's one prominent nerve in the jaw, the mandibular branch. Nerve-nervous system-brain... stuff. Infections in bone are difficult to treat... low blood flow being the reason? I was prescribed clindamycin. Antibiotics don't have any effect on viruses. Wikipedia says of clindamycin, "It increases the risk of hospital-acquired Clostridium difficile colitis about fourfold and thus is only recommended when other antibiotics are not appropriate." A doctor-relative impressed the fear in me that my infection could be dangerous, so I determined that, hell-or-highwater, I was going to take the whole course of the antibiotic. By day 2, I was experiencing diarrhea. Never mind. I'm doing this. Day 4 or so, I finally informed my dentist and was told to discontinue the antibiotic immediately. 6 months later, yep, I still had diarrhea and not just average, run-of-the-mill but completely uncontrollable. Apparently, from my desperate internet searches at the time, that's not an uncommon side-effect for this antibiotic. Actually, just the other day, a friend reminded me that I looked skeletal. I couldn't absorb much nutrition at all. Very gradually, I recovered.

Clindamycin is the worst... I doubt Prince had cdiff though as I believe enemas were found in his things.

I was looking at a string of pictures from Dr S's phone between him and Kirk. I thought Kirk asked 'do I take just 1 or do I take all 3'. I believe that Dr S said to take the 1 for the 'rash' or something like that. However that text was at 9:00 in the morning the day before Prince died (Wednesday), and I didn't think Prince had seen Dr. S before that afternoon (well I think he did earlier in April). So its kinda confusing. And, is it Kirk texting or Prince using Kirk's phone? Regardless, the Valacyclovir appears to be for a rash. I don't remember reading about a rash at all on Prince, but they obviously didn't disclose all his medical findings.

[Edited 1/8/20 15:01pm]

[Edited 1/8/20 17:07pm]

iamafan said:

barnswallow said:

Would that I could exercise restraint but it's wild and windy out. The moon is gonna shine like a spoon. Kick your shoes off. We've had snow squalls and sunshine and who knows what's next. Appears to have affected my mood such that I'm posting to this thread, which I'd determined to leave to the knowledgable. Anyway. I had to take clindamycin once. Nasty piece of work. I had an infection in my jaw, which, you know, is near some important organs, e.g. the brain. There's one prominent nerve in the jaw, the mandibular branch. Nerve-nervous system-brain... stuff. Infections in bone are difficult to treat... low blood flow being the reason? I was prescribed clindamycin. Antibiotics don't have any effect on viruses. Wikipedia says of clindamycin, "It increases the risk of hospital-acquired Clostridium difficile colitis about fourfold and thus is only recommended when other antibiotics are not appropriate." A doctor-relative impressed the fear in me that my infection could be dangerous, so I determined that, hell-or-highwater, I was going to take the whole course of the antibiotic. By day 2, I was experiencing diarrhea. Never mind. I'm doing this. Day 4 or so, I finally informed my dentist and was told to discontinue the antibiotic immediately. 6 months later, yep, I still had diarrhea and not just average, run-of-the-mill but completely uncontrollable. Apparently, from my desperate internet searches at the time, that's not an uncommon side-effect for this antibiotic. Actually, just the other day, a friend reminded me that I looked skeletal. I couldn't absorb much nutrition at all. Very gradually, I recovered.

Clindamycin is the worst... I doubt Prince had cdiff though as I believe enemas were found in his things.

I was looking at a string of pictures from Dr S's phone between him and Kirk. I thought Kirk asked 'do I take just 1 or do I take all 3'. I believe that Dr S to take the 1 for the 'rash' or something like that. However that text was at 9:00 in the morning the day before Prince died (Wednesday), and I didn't think Prince/Kirk had seen Dr. S before that afternoon. So its kinda confusing. And, is it Kirk texting or Prince using Kirk's phone? Regardless, the Valacyclovir appears to be for a rash. I don't remember reading about a rash at all on Prince, but they obviously didn't disclose all his medical findings.

[Edited 1/8/20 15:01pm]

So many twists and turns that each finding needs to examined 8 different ways with lots of discussion

as well.

PeggyO said:

iamafan said:

I agree, I thought the Acyclovir was prescribed for Kirk. But given how things were prescribed for Kirk that were actually for Prince, who knows. But I believe you can take that for a cold sore as well. Wasn't that medicine found in the garbage can at PP? Trust me, if you had shingles, you would make sure you took that medicine as soon as possible.

Agree. Acyclovir is used for viral conditions such as Shingles, Herpes 1 & 2. Usually the result of a stressed immune system. Interesting post. Hmm

This prescription was found in the dumpster so obviously it was for P and not Kirk.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PeggyO said:

Agree. Acyclovir is used for viral conditions such as Shingles, Herpes 1 & 2. Usually the result of a stressed immune system. Interesting post. Hmm

This prescription was found in the dumpster so obviously it was for P and not Kirk.

That is my sense, but obviously?