PliablyPurple said:

Props to Kirk for keeping P's secrets. That's a good friend right there.

OR...an accomplice....

PliablyPurple said:

Props to Kirk for keeping P's secrets. That's a good friend right there.

Agreed.

PliablyPurple said:

LoveGalore said:

PliablyPurple said:

Props to Kirk for keeping P's secrets. That's a good friend right there.

It's also unconscionable and immature. Those pills were bought from a vendor who sold them to other people too, no doubt. Kirk's puerile keeping of secrets probably cost more people their lives too.

I don't recall Kirk ever saying nor implying he knows where they came from. Did I miss something....it's always possible.

Mumio said:

LoveGalore said:

PliablyPurple said: It's also unconscionable and immature. Those pills were bought from a vendor who sold them to other people too, no doubt. Kirk's puerile keeping of secrets probably cost more people their lives too.

I don't recall Kirk ever saying nor implying he knows where they came from. Did I miss something....it's always possible.

You don't recall it because he wouldn't answer anything at all and pleaded the 5th, right down to whether he even knew Prince.

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It is a clear sign of some sort of guilt or implication - especially because his lawyer flat out said he would be invoking the 5th because answering would cause a link in the chain of litigation regarding wrongful death.

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LoveGalore said:

Mumio said:

I don't recall Kirk ever saying nor implying he knows where they came from. Did I miss something....it's always possible.

You don't recall it because he wouldn't answer anything at all and pleaded the 5th, right down to whether he even knew Prince.

.

It is a clear sign of some sort of guilt or implication - especially because his lawyer flat out said he would be invoking the 5th because answering would cause a link in the chain of litigation regarding wrongful death.

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Thanks for your response. Well, I do not assume people are guilty of anything unless there is irrefutable

proof of guilt that I can visibly see...and in this case especially, an arrest for wrongdoing if that is what

happened. What I understood from him pleading the 5th in the civil case was that it was done in an attempt

to help P's family because they brought the civil suit, not to evade personal guilt because after all, Kirk was

NOT there because he was on trial (but people seem to conveniently disregard that). Not being a lawyer, I

also can't say why his lawyer said what he said without knowing exactly what he was referring to. There's

been a lot of accusations leveled at many people associated with Prince and some may be guilty of some

of those things. But when I add in the way the entire investigation went as well as contradictory

information given by so many people, that leads me to believe that nothing is as it seems in this case, and

that includes supposition of illegal behavior that hasn't been proven nor acted upon by law enforcement.

For goodness sake, so much is put out as "might have/not have", "could have/not have", "should

have/not have", "may have/may have not", "probably/probably not" "most likely/likely not", and on and

on..... Even supposedly "leaked" test results mean nothing. None of that is proof, it's speculation and

supposition. I know there were prescription drugs that

Kirk got for Prince, there was proof of it, but until the police say they've got proof that he obtained other

illegal drugs for him, I'm gonna say the man is innocent until proven guilty. If guilt was so obvious, this

would have already been resolved, yet it hasn't. I'm not sure it ever will be. But for now, I am gonna say

that Kirk was a loyal friend to him.


This is all my opinion based on what I've seen. I am not trying to change your mind, just trying to explain

what I am thinking. If proof comes out, then obviously my opinion will change.

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peaceandlove said:

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LoveGalore said:

lavendardrummachine said:

Ehhhh, the trappings of temptations on tour is one version of how things go, but countless rock bios describe that it's when the touring and recording stops and they're left on their own that the trouble begins. If Prince wanted to be around people he would have his own dance party. Or he'd work, and that meant recording and touring. When you burn both ends of the candle, you feel as if you better not stop. If Prince felt himself slipping away, one way to regain control over his life was to tour.

Prince specifically knew performing meant drug use. When Judith Hill asked him to promise her he'd stop with the pills, he replied that that would mean no more touring. Prince's hands were in incredible pain. He absolutely was not using the tour to get off drugs. The tour was making it worse.

What if Judith Hill isn't irrefutable and there's no consistency between her opinions and her quoting Prince sort of waving her off and saying he's fine and just had a cold. It doesn't add up. If she even said any of this at all.

lavendardrummachine said:

LoveGalore said:

Yeah, what if Judith Hill isn't a real person at all but rather a holographic projection. What if it's not even her voice on the albums she's released.

That's not a constructive reply. Look, you're picking and chosing what Judith said to begin with...for example, you mention that his hands hurt and he wouldn't stop taking the pills, but you ignore that Prince also is described as being reborn, and talkative after he performed, and the fact that his demise happened at home when he wasn't working.

My opinion, in 2014, prince gets a new supplier. Personally, I think it is Phaedra. She is from Cali, hears of P's opiate addiction. She helped him in his contract negotiations, she is in good favor.
she is the one to dismiss the od in moline. There are questions about missing money. I think she was the leak to tmz. She played prince during his addiction for her gain. Not to mention, after he passed, tidal had his catalogue streaming. she asked for a release of liability. She was in PP allegedly deleting files.

PeggyO said:

nelcp777 said:

Interesting theory, but Princes neck was swabbed, wouldn't DNA have been found? And why leave his body in the elevator, not his bed? Prince had to be disoriented since a pill was found in the sheets.

the investigation was dropped. To be fair, we don't know if they checked financial data. There was a martini like glass in the studio that was not tested and later tossed in the trash. They tested other bottles but ignored that. And pills were only tested by appearance and no information on the pill compositions have been released that I am aware of.

lastly, investigators should have spoken to Chaka Khan. She may have information si ce she had a dependency to fentanyl. Perhaps they had the same supplier?

I think he was dressed as one last favor as well.

I think being in the elevator supports an accidental OD. "He was running for help", " not sure what had happened etc"

I don't support all of the 'accidental' happenings.

I agree about speaking with Chaka Khan, perhaps they did have the same supplier.

Not sure I am following the neck swabbing idea?

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If Prince was dressed or moved, there could possibly be dna on his neck. If I recall, his hands and neck were swabbed, but the results were never released.
i am not sure about the elevator theory, though, there is a possibility.

SNIP - OF4$ Disrespectful post. Uncalled for

see post #0 Don't F up, I will temp ban with the swiftness, before you try to test the Org or get the thread shut down

and your orgnotes

lavendardrummachine said:

appleseed said:

SNIP - OF4$ Disrespectful post. Uncalled for

see post #0 Don't F up, I will temp ban with the swiftness, before you try to test the Org or get the thread shut down

and your orgnotes

This is SO DISREPECTFUL & TACKY!

DO NOT make fun of Prince's demise!

appleseed said:

LoveGalore said:

certainly not in any reports. What I'm saying is in police reports. Not picking and choosing, these are facts on the record. No idea what you're dealing with but it ain't factual in nature. We were discussing OF4S saying the tour was to get off drugs - that's why we're discussing him working so the fact he died off the clock is irrelevant. He was dependent on the drugs whether he was at work or not.

It's what Judith Hill describes. She doesn't use the word reborn, she describes it. In the police report transcripts. The same Judith Hill your other posts fixated on. He didn't die on tour, he died between tour dates, and that's a fact and relevant. The difference is being in a house alone, or being on a private plane with people who can get the pilot to land. We can figure the wear and tear of performing was tied to using some pills, but the rest is just conjecture on your part. His drug use is not an agreed on fact, nor is when he started using and what he used when. People shouldn't insist they know one way or another based on one person's clams.

lavendardrummachine said:

LoveGalore said:

lavendardrummachine said:

It's what Judith Hill describes. She doesn't use the word reborn, she describes it. In the police report transcripts. The same Judith Hill your other posts fixated on. He didn't die on tour, he died between tour dates, and that's a fact and relevant. The difference is being in a house alone, or being on a private plane with people who can get the pilot to land. We can figure the wear and tear of performing was tied to using some pills, but the rest is just conjecture on your part. His drug use is not an agreed on fact, nor is when he started using and what he used when. People shouldn't insist they know one way or another based on one person's clams.

What? She describes him as tired and depressed both before and after the two Atlanta shows.

Tyka(Prince's[r.i.p.] only full blooded relative left) said also that Prince(r.i.p.) was just tired and told her that he feels he has done all he can do here.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Sharonash said:

LoveGalore said:

lavendardrummachine said:

It's what Judith Hill describes. She doesn't use the word reborn, she describes it. In the police report transcripts. The same Judith Hill your other posts fixated on. He didn't die on tour, he died between tour dates, and that's a fact and relevant. The difference is being in a house alone, or being on a private plane with people who can get the pilot to land. We can figure the wear and tear of performing was tied to using some pills, but the rest is just conjecture on your part. His drug use is not an agreed on fact, nor is when he started using and what he used when. People shouldn't insist they know one way or another based on one person's clams.

What? She describes him as tired and depressed both before and after the two Atlanta shows.

In the police report transcripts, Judith describes possible small changes in mood over the course of the day that P played those Atlanta shows. For example, she says that after the second show, it seemed P may have been "a little more in a better mood" than after the first.

I don't think that anyone disputes that P came close to death flying back from those shows.

In quoting Judith, I don't mean to claim I can know any of P's intent, or claim that there couldn't be a mood disorder.

She described things she heard from P that day that surprised her with their depressed nature.

Even people with unipolar (as well as bipolar) depression don't experience a depressive episode as a "single" mood state that is absolutely unchanging in character and intensity.

Substance use disorders and mood disorders are highly comorbid.

EnDoRpHn said:

authorbest said:

As far as sad, you shouldn't be. That is why Prince went to the elevator. He wants you to read the lyrics of Let's Go Crazy about the elevator. Are we going to let the elevator break us down? Oh no! Go crazy.

The correct lyric is “R we gonna let de-elevator bring us down?” (Prince said more than once that the original lyric was “the devil” but WBR wouldn’t let him say that.) You don’t know even know the lyrics to one of his most famous songs and you want us to believe this suicide note caca?

Someone else addressed "the devil" issue.

On the actual lyric issue 'de-' vs 'the' you are probably right on that issue and I thank you for pointing that out. I had this album on vinyl back in the day. But I sold all my vinyl albums at a garage sale a few years ago, not knowing vinyl is making a comeback. I sold because I never used them anymore and they take up a lot of room and are heavy to move around. So I don't have the sleeve with the lyrics anymore that I can reference. I was relying on www.azlyrics.com. I guess I need to get the CD. I also think many Prince fans do not get the subtle difference in the pronunciation of these two items and I think Prince knows that.

If you have the actual lyrics from official release documentation, can I ask you to contact this website and have the lyrics corrected.

Prince was very particular about words and the dictionary meanings. However, whether the lyric is 'de-' vs 'the' does not make any difference as to my point that Prince went to the elevator on purpose. The word elevator is clearly in the lyrics. And this was Prince's plan B so not as much thought probably went into selecting an alternate location.

The way the lyric is reading, as you point out, makes me believe the 'de-' is a prefix. Because elevator starts with a vowel, in this case an 'e', one must use a hyphen to add 'de' as a prefix. So, with this prefix it means the opposite of the elevator or the opposite of being elevated, or the opposite of being brought up. That is, things that bring you down. The devil can be one aspect of that. The devil wants to bring you down from seeing things and the world in a positive light. I think what Prince is saying here is don't let negative things get you down. Go crazy, enjoy life. And that is why, I believe, going to the elevator was an intentional act. He knows his death will bring down his fans. He knows most people know this song and the refence to 'the' or 'de' elevator however one hears it. So he is using the lyrics of this song and the act of going to the elevator to refence this song as a way to communicate with his fans on how they should regard his death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydsKrHN7_N4



Also, I think he was trying to emphasize listening to the whole song which talks about the afterlife being better than this world.

I have information from a man who claimed at one point to being a platonic roommate of Vanity sometime in late 80s or early 90s, who claims that Vanity told him that this song was about her. The guy is a very angry perso,n so I was not going to use his information but that is what he said.

Further, just after Vanity left Prince, she did a film called 'The Last Dragon'. She sings a song, that she wrote the lyrics to, in the film called 7th Heaven. When she performs this song, she decsends in an elevator like contraption. She sings about stepping off 'the elevator' and pressing number 7. 7 is an important number in Prince world. So reference to the elevator and the number 7 in this song, leads one to believe (1) this was some sort of video communication with Prince using coded verbiage between them (2) the song Let's Go Crazy and the elevator reference is about Vanity.

Another aspect of this is, Vanity's mother was a displaced German. A person whose native language is German very of pronounces the English word 'the' as 'de'. Germans have problems making the English 'th' sound. But this may be stretching things a bit. LOL!

So, if you want to dismiss everything I say, and the bigger picture, because I made a mistake on this issue, I think you will not be alone. I am horrible at editing and many grammar and misspellings get by me. I need a good editor. So, I think many people who are spelling and grammar snobbish will dismiss all I say because I didn't write it in the most perfect way. So you will not be alone.

Again I do thank you for pointing this out.

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authorbest said:

EnDoRpHn said:

authorbest said: The correct lyric is “R we gonna let de-elevator bring us down?” (Prince said more than once that the original lyric was “the devil” but WBR wouldn’t let him say that.) You don’t know even know the lyrics to one of his most famous songs and you want us to believe this suicide note caca?

Someone else addressed "the devil" issue.

On the actual lyric issue 'de-' vs 'the' you are probably right on that issue and I thank you for pointing that out. I had this album on vinyl back in the day. But I sold all my vinyl albums at a garage sale a few years ago, not knowing vinyl is making a comeback. I sold because I never used them anymore and they take up a lot of room and are heavy to move around. So I don't have the sleeve with the lyrics anymore that I can reference. I was relying on www.azlyrics.com. I guess I need to get the CD. I also think many Prince fans do not get the subtle difference in the pronunciation of these two items and I think Prince knows that.

If you have the actual lyrics from official release documentation, can I ask you to contact this website and have the lyrics corrected.

Prince was very particular about words and the dictionary meanings. However, whether the lyric is 'de-' vs 'the' does not make any difference as to my point that Prince went to the elevator on purpose. The word elevator is clearly in the lyrics. And this was Prince's plan B so not as much thought probably went into selecting an alternate location.

The way the lyric is reading, as you point out, makes me believe the 'de-' is a prefix. Because elevator starts with a vowel, in this case an 'e', one must use a hyphen to add 'de' as a prefix. So, with this prefix it means the opposite of the elevator or the opposite of being elevated, or the opposite of being brought up. That is, things that bring you down. The devil can be one aspect of that. The devil wants to bring you down from seeing things and the world in a positive light. I think what Prince is saying here is don't let negative things get you down. Go crazy, enjoy life. And that is why, I believe, going to the elevator was an intentional act. He knows his death will bring down his fans. He knows most people know this song and the refence to 'the' or 'de' elevator however one hears it. So he is using the lyrics of this song and the act of going to the elevator to refence this song as a way to communicate with his fans on how they should regard his death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydsKrHN7_N4



Also, I think he was trying to emphasize listening to the whole song which talks about the afterlife being better than this world.

I have information from a man who claimed at one point to being a platonic roommate of Vanity sometime in late 80s or early 90s, who claims that Vanity told him that this song was about her. The guy is a very angry perso,n so I was not going to use his information but that is what he said.

Further, just after Vanity left Prince, she did a film called 'The Last Dragon'. She sings a song, that she wrote the lyrics to, in the film called 7th Heaven. When she performs this song, she decsends in an elevator like contraption. She sings about stepping off 'the elevator' and pressing number 7. 7 is an important number in Prince world. So reference to the elevator and the number 7 in this song, leads one to believe (1) this was some sort of video communication with Prince using coded verbiage between them (2) the song Let's Go Crazy and the elevator reference is about Vanity.

Another aspect of this is, Vanity's mother was a displaced German. A person whose native language is German very of pronounces the English word 'the' as 'de'. Germans have problems making the English 'th' sound. But this may be stretching things a bit. LOL!

So, if you want to dismiss everything I say, and the bigger picture, because I made a mistake on this issue, I think you will not be alone. I am horrible at editing and many grammar and misspellings get by me. I need a good editor. So, I think many people who are spelling and grammar snobbish will dismiss all I say because I didn't write it in the most perfect way. So you will not be alone.

Again I do thank you for pointing this out.

[Edited 1/2/20 12:13pm]

You're putting in a LOT of work to troll. I applaud you.

OldFriends4Sale said:

authorbest said:

OldFriends4Sale

SNIP

How long have you been on the Org?

Do you even know that the images mean? StretchArmstrong... stretching.
You better get thicker skin...

...

take a little time for yourself

I have not been here long.

No I don't know what the images mean. Nor do I understand how it applies to this topic.

With regard to thicker skin, that implies that this was directed at me, which I did not think it was

The first posting of this picture references my post on Denise's final fatal disease which is a disease of the gut. Under the picture of the body being streach was a reference to "where is your guts". So, I though those images were ridiculing her condition.

That is what I thought.If I am wrong, then I apologize.

Please let me know what stretch armstron means in this context.

casi1 said:

Sharonash said:

1,400 mcg are just 1.4 mg. laced pills are not very valid. I don't belive he committed suicide. Prince was religious. I do agree most of his songs were about Denise. She broke his heart.

Sometimes the pain and depression is just too much. Religion or not. I know lots of religious people, even some JW, even some of my fellow Catholics, who didn’t see a way forward and left this world. If P made his peace with God and felt like he had done all he came here to do... there’s no shame in wrestling with God, trying to find a reason to stay and fight. Everybody has to find their own way forward. It’s clear that he was depressed (per Judith’s police interview). As for Denise, they were young, wild, gorgeous, broke each other’s hearts. I do feel like they might have been trying to find a way back to each other ever since the day they broke up but that door closed forever when she died. And people weren’t ready. That might have been the straw that broke the camels back (especially if he was already dealing with other health issues at the time of her passing). It all might have just been too much. He had bills to pay, his fingers were hurting, he may or may not have been dependent on painkillers, he may or may not have had some underlying illness, Denise died probably before closure, friends have their own lives/their own families that no longer revolve around the music. And rehab is on the horizon. That’s a lot even for the devout. The man was human and he was isolated at a time when he needed help. Unfortunate. Tragic. I’m starting to think that it wasn’t anybody’s fault. Reminds me of a lyric from a song about River Phoenix (I’m not comparing Prince to River) where his friend asks ‘how do we save to somehim from himself’.

I am in total agreement with you on this post. (See my "rabbit hole" comment on page 7) I guess that to some, knowing which pills took his life is important, but I am to the point now I really sort of don't care. I took care of my mom during her cancer battle, and during her last days the Dr. had me putting Fent patches on her so she couldn't feel the pain. I just remember putting them on her using gloves so it would not get in my blood stream. No matter the pill, the end result was the same. Just miss them both.......................

Morgaine said:

If you can accept he had an addiction to/was dependent on opiates, yes. It happens quite frequently. Chronic pain is horrible - it effects one's emotions, thoughts, basically everything. I can't imagine what it would be like to have to play music like he did & be unable to do so without pain. I don't believe he knew how strong the pills were - he blamed the Narcan for how he was feeling, not the pills. If he was an addict, taking the same pills for pain would be considered typical behavior - there are tons of stories of people who ODd & went right back to it.

Prince did not blame the Narcan for how he was feeing. Go back and read Judith Hill's statement.

He was angry that Narcan was used because it was 'interfering'

Here is the relavant excerpt from Judith Hill's statement.

Page 29

“he started to go down the line of like so what did they give me? He started to get really obsessed with that and he started saying you know he’s like it’s one thing if it’s my decision and if its anything I did but if someone else is interfering. They give me something and we don’t know what it is…we need to find out what they gave me…that’s when it started to go haywire…so he started to kind of rationalize…I’m thinking well they saved you…but I didn’t want to argue with him because he is getting very passionate about it…so I was like OK keeping him calm…he was like can we find out the name of what they gave me…”

Page 32

“he was tripping off what they gave him…going down that rabbit hole…Prince gets locked in….

He was angry about what they gave him. He got the name of the drug and had it researched.

Do you think he didn't do the same with narcotic pills and Fentanyl?

Re: People who OD and go right back to it.

Yes, that is the point. Prince didn't go right back to it. He waited 6 days. He spent the rest of the day Friday with Judith Hill. We know he did not take and Fentanyl on Wednesday from the urine test of Dr. S. How was he able to control it, if he was a raging drug addict given to ODing?

LoveGalore said: