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WHAT REALLY HAPPENED TO PRINCE!

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It is 2019, 3+ yrs after Prince's passing in 2016. There is verifiable information that has come out since his passsing. So please keep the discussion away from conspiracy theories. Please quote/post and deal with the factual information. No disparaging of Prince or his family please.

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Don't F up, I will temp ban with the swiftness, before you try to test the Org or get the thread shut down

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https://prince.org/msg/7/...?&pg=1

I'm rather pleasantly surprised this thread has been allowed to continue. I thought it was a gonner.

Thanks, Mods

Lovely, thanks for allowing the discussion to continue.

Well, looky here.

I think this thread needs to exist. As far as I know (through reading up various sites) Prince died of a Fentanyl overdose.Whether this was intentional or accidental we will likely never know. It has been established that Prince regularly used opiate based pain killers in the months and years leading up to his death, and was seeking treatment with an addiction specialist.

The pill or pills that likely killed him were bootleg, illegally manufactured Norco tablets. How he came to obtain these pills is a matter of conjecture. Whether he knew that these tablets contained Fentanyl or not is unknown.

He left nothing that could be termed a "suicide note" although there is evidence that a cleanup of some kind was attempted and files were erased.What these files were, we do not know. His body was moved prior to police arrival, possibly in an attempt at resuscitation.

If there is anything that I am failing to understand or express properly please set me straight.

andrewm7 said:

I think this thread needs to exist. As far as I know (through reading up various sites) Prince died of a Fentanyl overdose.Whether this was intentional or accidental we will likely never know. It has been established that Prince regularly used opiate based pain killers in the months and years leading up to his death, and was seeking treatment with an addiction specialist.

The pill or pills that likely killed him were bootleg, illegally manufactured Norco tablets. How he came to obtain these pills is a matter of conjecture. Whether he knew that these tablets contained Fentanyl or not is unknown.

He left nothing that could be termed a "suicide note" although there is evidence that a cleanup of some kind was attempted and files were erased.What these files were, we do not know. His body was moved prior to police arrival, possibly in an attempt at resuscitation.

If there is anything that I am failing to understand or express properly please set me straight.

The counterfeit pills were made to resemble Vicodin, (a similar strength opiate).

His body was moved from the elevator to attempt resuscitation.

He may not have have known about the addiction specialist

There is quite a bit of conjecture about the following:

-how he came to have these pills

-whether he knew they contained Fentanyl

-whether his death was accidental or a suicide.

-whether he had an underlying, serious illness or was his weight loss and gen'l poor appearance the result of an end-stage addictive process.

[Edited 12/20/19 23:58pm]

andrewm7 said:

this is really open and shut. he jumped off pianos and speakers for 30 years in high heels. ran and did splits in high heels for 30 years. he played every major instrument and he was getting older. he was almost 60. that puts a lot of strain on joints and muscles especially hands and feet. He thought he was taking percocet but took fentanyl. on the street, it's common believe it or not

He wasn’t a drug addict. Nobody is responsible for his death but him. It was an accidental overdose. He took something that he thought was something else. Prince controlled everything in his life so this is no different. the conspiracy theories are laughable. Blaming Kirk Johnson is ridiculous. was he an inabler? more than likely but if you had a friend like Prince who was extremely private and didn't want anybody in his business...he probably just did what he was told.

You do what he did for 40 years and see what happens. Black folks with sense know. You don’t want everybody in your business so you hide shit. Plus he BEEN like that so none of it is surprising honestly.

The real mystery is P had hydrocodone and oxycodone in his urine and fentanyl in his blood.

At some point that night he took legit script drugs but later decided to take the street drugs.

There were 10 pills left from the oxy script he got from Dr. S in his suitcase by his bed.

He obviously knew the street drugs were stronger, right?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

klick2me said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The real mystery is P had hydrocodone and oxycodone in his urine and fentanyl in his blood.

At some point that night he took legit script drugs but later decided to take the street drugs.

There were 10 pills left from the oxy script he got from Dr. S in his suitcase by his bed.

He obviously knew the street drugs were stronger, right?

After the plane incident I would assume he knew those were more powerful. I'm still curious about what he told his sister two years prior. He knew he was on his way out and so I feel there was some sort of underlying issue that we not know of.

Im curious as to what Tyka told the detectives.

There isnt even a summary of her interview in the police files.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

klick2me said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: After the plane incident I would assume he knew those were more powerful. I'm still curious about what he told his sister two years prior. He knew he was on his way out and so I feel there was some sort of underlying issue that we not know of.

Im curious as to what Tyka told the detectives.

There isnt even a summary of her interview in the police files.

I agree. But I also think there is a lot that is being kept from the public about all of this. Not conspiracy stuff, but the truth about what really was going on with him. A story has been put out and some have accepted that, but there are way too many holes/inconsistencies/conflicting stories to not see that info is being withheld.

Mumio said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Im curious as to what Tyka told the detectives.

There isnt even a summary of her interview in the police files.

I agree. But I also think there is a lot that is being kept from the public about all of this. Not conspiracy stuff, but the truth about what really was going on with him. A story has been put out and some have accepted that, but there are way too many holes/inconsistencies/conflicting stories to not see that info is being withheld.

Agree.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The real mystery is P had hydrocodone and oxycodone in his urine and fentanyl in his blood.

At some point that night he took legit script drugs but later decided to take the street drugs.

There were 10 pills left from the oxy script he got from Dr. S in his suitcase by his bed.

He obviously knew the street drugs were stronger, right?

I am curious, do you mean the Fentanyl found in his blood after his death?

I was thinking that he was taking legit drugs through the week (April 15-20) to ward off withdrawal.

(though it was not too effective)

The fact that he did not take the counterfeit pills (Fent-laced) during the week showed me he knew the difference.

IMO, yes he knew the counterfeit pills were stronger than the oxy in the suitcase.

Just thinking about the oxys...he may have wanted to stay away from drugs prescribed by an MD.

They were also prescribed to Kirk and perhaps he did not want to implicate Kirk.

PeggyO said:

LoveGalore said:

What I would like to know is...did he take his vest and gloves off as he got home and just tossed them on the ground leading to the bedroom (around 745-8pm according to Kurt)? Seems likely otherwise he would've been wearing something like 4 layers when he died. They said he often communicated via email when they were all present at the compound. So it seems unlikely he was rushing to get help when he was overdosing. But then why did he put his socks and pants on backwards and inside out? Was he so uncoordinated that he was able to put his top shirt and jacket thing on, and his beanie etc... But not coordinated enough to put pants and socks on? Did the coordination deteriorate rapidly, so he was fine enough for the top clothes but not by the second half of his clothing? Was he walking around with nothing but shirt and beanie until he decides to go downstairs via the elevator or was he wearing his clothes like that for the last 24 hours?? With how quickly he passed out in front of Judith Hill during the Moline incident, he really had no chance to get help so it would not surprise me if he started to feel the alarming drowsiness, perhaps similar to what it felt like on the plane, and he panicked. Threw some clothes on and went right to the elevator but didn't make it out and just laid down and passed into unconsciousness until his heart stopped.

Why would he take time to put on socks and hat if he was losing consciousness, those items IMO are not mandatory items if you are in a crisis and if he was going for 'help'... it was stated he had asked everyone to leave that night. There was no one to help (if you are using that scenario)

Also, even if his plan was to hail a car outside, the main road is quite far away and you have to traverse a parking lot, large expanse of lawn, climb down a small hill to get to a small descending pathway and then access the road...almost impossible.

LoveGalore said:

PeggyO said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The real mystery is P had hydrocodone and oxycodone in his urine and fentanyl in his blood.

At some point that night he took legit script drugs but later decided to take the street drugs.

There were 10 pills left from the oxy script he got from Dr. S in his suitcase by his bed.

He obviously knew the street drugs were stronger, right?

I am curious, do you mean the Fentanyl found in his blood after his death?

I was thinking that he was taking legit drugs through the week (April 15-20) to ward off withdrawal.

(though it was not too effective)

The fact that he did not take the counterfeit pills (Fent-laced) during the week showed me he knew the difference.

IMO, yes he knew the counterfeit pills were stronger than the oxy in the suitcase.

I don't know if I'm persona non grata around here or not.

If I have read the police files numerous times. Read information on leaked toxicology information. Viewed all the photographs. Immersed myself in Prince's artistic output and those of others associated with him and not assoicated with him. Read books of associates. Read written interviews and video and audio interviews. After all that, I believe I am fairly certian of my OPINION, that Prince's death was a suicide. I believe my opionion is based in fact based on evidence in the police file and other items I mention above.

Is this classified as a conspiracy theory?

The moderator does not define what is considered a conspiracy theory.

My Opinion:

Peggy O. is right. He knew the difference between the pills.

Prince did not OD after the airplane incident from Friday to Wednesday even though he had and abundance of Fentanyl as his disposal. Prince had no Fentanyl in his system when giving blood and urine samples to Dr. S. the evening before his death because tests of the blood and urine show there was no Fentanyl.

Yet only a few hours later he dies with 67.8 mcg of Fentanyl in his blood, 435 mcg of Fentanyl in his liver and 14,000 mcg of Fentanyl in his stomach. Notes in the police file that states that the Medical Examiner told police there was "no doubt" that the Fentanyl was ingested "by mouth in pill form".

Can you read the writing on the wall?

Prince knew exactly what he was doing. He knew he was taking Fentanyl. He knew how much Fentanyl he was taking. And he knew what the outcome would be in taking that much Fentanyl.

Here is a link to leaked toxicology information. This article says Fentanyl was in milligrams. I believe that is a wrong calibration as Fentanyl being so powerful in small amounts is calculated in mcg. (However, if it was truely milligrams than that is so large an amount that it is almost beyond belief.)

I estimate that Prince took at least 30 pills and maybe even close to 50 pills in a very short period of time. That is not a mistake. That is not an accident. That is intent.

https://kstp.com/medical/...h/4491091/

Prince did not and could not know how much fentanyl was in 1 pill. Those pills each had several levels of fentanyl in them, some didn't even have any fentanyl in them.

As far as I remember, I don't think it has ever been said how many pills they estimated him of taking. As far as we know it could have been only 1. Please enlighten me on the number of pills found in his system.

authorbest said:

PeggyO said:

I am curious, do you mean the Fentanyl found in his blood after his death?

I was thinking that he was taking legit drugs through the week (April 15-20) to ward off withdrawal.

(though it was not too effective)

The fact that he did not take the counterfeit pills (Fent-laced) during the week showed me he knew the difference.

IMO, yes he knew the counterfeit pills were stronger than the oxy in the suitcase.

I don't know if I'm persona non grata around here or not.

If I have read the police files numerous times. Read information on leaked toxicology information. Viewed all the photographs. Immersed myself in Prince's artistic output and those of others associated with him and not assoicated with him. Read books of associates. Read written interviews and video and audio interviews. After all that, I believe I am fairly certian of my OPINION, that Prince's death was a suicide. I believe my opionion is based in fact based on evidence in the police file and other items I mention above.

Is this classified as a conspiracy theory?

The moderator does not define what is considered a conspiracy theory.

My Opinion:

Peggy O. is right. He knew the difference between the pills.

Prince did not OD after the airplane incident from Friday to Wednesday even though he had and abundance of Fentanyl as his disposal. Prince had no Fentanyl in his system when giving blood and urine samples to Dr. S. the evening before his death because tests of the blood and urine show there was no Fentanyl.

Yet only a few hours later he dies with 67.8 mcg of Fentanyl in his blood, 435 mcg of Fentanyl in his liver and 14,000 mcg of Fentanyl in his stomach. Notes in the police file that states that the Medical Examiner told police there was "no doubt" that the Fentanyl was ingested "by mouth in pill form".

Can you read the writing on the wall?

Prince knew exactly what he was doing. He knew he was taking Fentanyl. He knew how much Fentanyl he was taking. And he knew what the outcome would be in taking that much Fentanyl.

Here is a link to leaked toxicology information. This article says Fentanyl was in milligrams. I believe that is a wrong calibration as Fentanyl being so powerful in small amounts is calculated in mcg. (However, if it was truely milligrams than that is so large an amount that it is almost beyond belief.)

I estimate that Prince took at least 30 pills and maybe even close to 50 pills in a very short period of time. That is not a mistake. That is not an accident. That is intent.

https://kstp.com/medical/...h/4491091/

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The real mystery is P had hydrocodone and oxycodone in his urine and fentanyl in his blood.

At some point that night he took legit script drugs but later decided to take the street drugs.

There were 10 pills left from the oxy script he got from Dr. S in his suitcase by his bed.

He obviously knew the street drugs were stronger, right?

Prince appeared comfortable when he left the doctor's office. Johnson picked up a prescription for the painkiller Percocet at Walgreens. Johnson said Prince took one pill and said it wasn't helping.

Johnson dropped off Prince at Paisley Park just before 8 p.m.

http://www.startribune.com/documents-airplane-scare-was-beginning-of-the-end-of-prince-s-struggles-with-opioids/480325903/

I could have swore that Kirk was the one that administered the medication and took the bottle with him when he left so Prince couldn't abuse it.

It's possible that Prince didn't know or couldn't remember that his secret stash was tainted and instinctively went to take more, once he was alone in Paisley.

It's so SAD, ooh yass, it's sad it's, doon doon doon doon doon it's, eh, SO SAD.

'get off my dick and get on Johnny Guitar Watson's'

Kirk had the blood pressure meds that helps with opiate withdrawal.

P told him they werent helping.

Strive said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The real mystery is P had hydrocodone and oxycodone in his urine and fentanyl in his blood.

At some point that night he took legit script drugs but later decided to take the street drugs.

There were 10 pills left from the oxy script he got from Dr. S in his suitcase by his bed.

He obviously knew the street drugs were stronger, right?

Prince appeared comfortable when he left the doctor's office. Johnson picked up a prescription for the painkiller Percocet at Walgreens. Johnson said Prince took one pill and said it wasn't helping.

Johnson dropped off Prince at Paisley Park just before 8 p.m.

http://www.startribune.com/documents-airplane-scare-was-beginning-of-the-end-of-prince-s-struggles-with-opioids/480325903/

I could have swore that Kirk was the one that administered the medication and took the bottle with him when he left so Prince couldn't abuse it.

It's possible that Prince didn't know or couldn't remember that his secret stash was tainted and instinctively went to take more, once he was alone in Paisley.

-I had the impression that there were not many pills in his stomach. I would have to re-read the files, but that is my feeling. I think she (ME) would have commented on many pills. He may have had one strong pill made. This thought has occurred to me many times, though of course it is only my opinion.

- I still don't think we know that the counterfeit pills had varying doses of Fentanyl.

Thanks Penny for sending the DEA files. They seemed difficult to read in sections (faded ink) and perhaps I did not see mention of varying levels of Fentanyl in the pills.

Please let me know if I missed a page with that info.

PennyPurple said:

Prince did not and could not know how much fentanyl was in 1 pill. Those pills each had several levels of fentanyl in them, some didn't even have any fentanyl in them.

As far as I remember, I don't think it has ever been said how many pills they estimated him of taking. As far as we know it could have been only 1. Please enlighten me on the number of pills found in his system.

authorbest said:

I don't know if I'm persona non grata around here or not.

If I have read the police files numerous times. Read information on leaked toxicology information. Viewed all the photographs. Immersed myself in Prince's artistic output and those of others associated with him and not assoicated with him. Read books of associates. Read written interviews and video and audio interviews. After all that, I believe I am fairly certian of my OPINION, that Prince's death was a suicide. I believe my opionion is based in fact based on evidence in the police file and other items I mention above.

Is this classified as a conspiracy theory?

The moderator does not define what is considered a conspiracy theory.

My Opinion:

Peggy O. is right. He knew the difference between the pills.

Prince did not OD after the airplane incident from Friday to Wednesday even though he had and abundance of Fentanyl as his disposal. Prince had no Fentanyl in his system when giving blood and urine samples to Dr. S. the evening before his death because tests of the blood and urine show there was no Fentanyl.

Yet only a few hours later he dies with 67.8 mcg of Fentanyl in his blood, 435 mcg of Fentanyl in his liver and 14,000 mcg of Fentanyl in his stomach. Notes in the police file that states that the Medical Examiner told police there was "no doubt" that the Fentanyl was ingested "by mouth in pill form".

Can you read the writing on the wall?

Prince knew exactly what he was doing. He knew he was taking Fentanyl. He knew how much Fentanyl he was taking. And he knew what the outcome would be in taking that much Fentanyl.

Here is a link to leaked toxicology information. This article says Fentanyl was in milligrams. I believe that is a wrong calibration as Fentanyl being so powerful in small amounts is calculated in mcg. (However, if it was truely milligrams than that is so large an amount that it is almost beyond belief.)

I estimate that Prince took at least 30 pills and maybe even close to 50 pills in a very short period of time. That is not a mistake. That is not an accident. That is intent.

https://kstp.com/medical/...h/4491091/

Please don't think you are persona non grata. We are all welcome here.

I used to give alot of IV Fentanyl when I worked in the Recovery Room. It was short-acting as I recall and was calibrated in micrograms.

Yes,I am following your logic as well. To summarize, he did not have Fentanyl in his bloodwork at Dr. S's. Then hours later he has such a high amount of Fentanyl in his system.

[Edited 12/21/19 22:46pm]

[Edited 12/21/19 22:55pm]

As I recall, the ME decided P took an oral dose of Fentanyl as it had made its way to his liver. There was a correlation but it implied she had to deduce (it was not obvious to her) therefore I am surmising it was a smallish pill with a concentrated dose. Will go back and read tomorrow.

Prince's actions in Moline hospital speak volume going by the reports in the files, the rest is history....my gut tells me he was in control of his fate.

https://apnews.com/f80bf6...drug-level

Here is a link from 1 of the old threads on this subject.