databank said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

stillwaiting said: That’s only part of the story. Downloads and streaming are not the same. Both are digital but revenue from streaming is 5.7 billion while physical sales is only 1.5 billion in revenue. So combined digital media far far surpasses physically media. Not only that, it’s regional. Those physical sales are in countries like Japan not the US where Prince’s largest base is.

Physical media are on their way out. Like it or not, it's that way it is. Same with movies and books. It was never a matter of opinions, that's what the vast majority of people dig and that's what dictates the market. It doesn't matter, music will still be music, films will always be films and books will always be books no matter the format.

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Obviously, they are on the way out, but to ask "Who buy's Cds?" when millions buy at least one a year is is a silly question. The revenue from streaming does not single out specific money to specific artists, who are not getting their fair share. Physical sales still outpaces specific sales by a tiny margin, but who cares? Physical sales will be around a bit...despite declining.

I for one buy physical media. Will be buying this CD and any future releases on CD.

Any word on the remix version of Nothing Compares 2 U yet? It's out in a couple days. Hard to believe no leaked info yet.

I'm tempted to travel to a crappier part of town to see if some uncaring employees jumped the gun and put it on the shelves early.

stillwaiting said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

rdhull said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

You’re living in the past

But I’ve explained I buy cd’s and also do current ways of listening such as downloading etc. I do both old school and current.

RD, some people are just content to be renters. There's no point in even going there with them.

databank said:

Physical media are on their way out. Like it or not, it's that way it is. Same with movies and books. It was never a matter of opinions, that's what the vast majority of people dig and that's what dictates the market. It doesn't matter, music will still be music, films will always be films and books will always be books no matter the format.

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Well, no. electronic book for example are - actually - minisite in HTML and CSS. Electronic literature is something in digital that you can not have in book.

And there are more and more digital product that create new way to listen music or see movie. For fiction tv see for example Bandersnatch, Life is Strange (a mix between a videogame and a fiction) or, in music, Tender Metal.

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Genesia said:

I was in a Target today and they already had the CDs on the shelf. It was the first time I had heard of this "cinematic" version of Nothing Compares 2 U. It sounded so bogus that Target got this exclusive when it was not included on the deluxe editions that I left the CD on the shelf. Now i find out that it was not supposed to be on the shelf until June 21 at Target.

If Prince didn't have anything to do with a remix, how interested in a serious Prince connoisseur of over 30 years like me? Is it worth the trouble or attention?

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

stillwaiting said:

Obviously, they are on the way out, but to ask "Who buy's Cds?" when millions buy at least one a year is is a silly question. The revenue from streaming does not single out specific money to specific artists, who are not getting their fair share. Physical sales still outpaces specific sales by a tiny margin, but who cares? Physical sales will be around a bit...despite declining.

Well the exclusive with Tidal was for a streaming service. The media how most people consume music. And Tidal as we all know is a company originally co-owned by a recording artist in Jay Z and a coalition or other recording artists themselves. So you can manufacture your argument any way you like, but doesn’t change that physical sales are a tiny fraction of how people consume music or how the industry makes money from music. [Edited 6/18/19 12:08pm]

Tidal is some bullshit in my opinion. There is a reason vinyl has been coming back recently. Some of us still like to have something in hand that we control and can play anywhere and anytime without subscription fees and internet bullshit. That Jay Z owns it makes me hate it even more.

Transformed1 said:

I for one buy physical media. Will be buying this CD and any future releases on CD.

Any word on the remix version of Nothing Compares 2 U yet? It's out in a couple days. Hard to believe no leaked info yet.

I'm tempted to travel to a crappier part of town to see if some uncaring employees jumped the gun and put it on the shelves early.

Can you believe I was in a Target this morning and I had it in my hand and put in back since I had ordered the regular version from DeepDiscount??? I bet if I go back tomorrow they will have yanked it.

Transformed1 said:

fabriziovenerandi said:

databank said:

Physical media are on their way out. Like it or not, it's that way it is. Same with movies and books. It was never a matter of opinions, that's what the vast majority of people dig and that's what dictates the market. It doesn't matter, music will still be music, films will always be films and books will always be books no matter the format.

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Well, no. electronic book for example are - actually - minisite in HTML and CSS. Electronic literature is something in digital that you can not have in book.

And there are more and more digital product that create new way to listen music or see movie. For fiction tv see for example Bandersnatch, Life is Strange (a mix between a videogame and a fiction) or, in music, Tender Metal.

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Not sure what you mean. Epub and mobi files aren't websites. I know sites like Amazon only technically "stream" you the books, but there are ways to actually "rip" the books from them, and sites that actually offer the files themselves (whether legally or otherwise).

I only know Bandersnatch in the titles you mentionned, interactive arts is yet something else. Not sure how much future it has, it's a bit like the "choose your own adventure" books I used to play as a teen, they were cool but never came close to replace novels. In a way they're not so far removed from Trevor's suggestion to "remix your own Prince album from the multitracks" or, even, video games in the traditional sense of the term. Until maybe AI develops to the pojnt that it can adjust to one's own choices in real time and in an infinite manner of ways, literally creating the work as you play it, those things remain pre-programmed with a limited number of options, and I don't think people are looking for the same thing when "playing" a work of art as they do when "consuming" it in a passive way, i.e. accepting an artists' choice and decision for what it is, as such. It's hard to predict the future but the tremendous success of video games for 40 years and the fact that it doesn't really competes with films and series suggests that one may never replace the other in terms of a consumers' experience.

databank said:

fabriziovenerandi said:

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Well, no. electronic book for example are - actually - minisite in HTML and CSS. Electronic literature is something in digital that you can not have in book.

And there are more and more digital product that create new way to listen music or see movie. For fiction tv see for example Bandersnatch, Life is Strange (a mix between a videogame and a fiction) or, in music, Tender Metal.

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f.

Not sure what you mean. Epub and mobi files aren't websites. I know sites like Amazon only technically "stream" you the books, but there are ways to actually "rip" the books from them, and sites that actually offer the files themselves (whether legally or otherwise).

I only know Bandersnatch in the titles you mentionned, interactive arts is yet something else. Not sure how much future it has, it's a bit like the "choose your own adventure" books I used to play as a teen, they were cool but never came close to replace novels. In a way they're not so far removed from Trevor's suggestion to "remix your own Prince album from the multitracks" or, even, video games in the traditional sense of the term. Until maybe AI develops to the pojnt that it can adjust to one's own choices in real time and in an infinite manner of ways, literally creating the work as you play it, those things remain pre-programmed with a limited number of options, and I don't think people are looking for the same thing when "playing" a work of art as they do when "consuming" it in a passive way, i.e. accepting an artists' choice and decision for what it is, as such. It's hard to predict the future but the tremendous success of video games for 40 years and the fact that it doesn't really competes with films and series suggests that one may never replace the other in terms of a consumers' experience.

i think fabrizio is talking about books that are especially designed to be published in digital format?

i haven't come across any of them yet as i only buy printed books.

but my brother had the digital version of "S" by Doug Dorst & JJ Abrams (yes, him), which looked
pretty stunning as it was all interactive and seemed to go well beyond a simple epub or mobi file.

however, the actual printed version still beats the digital one's ass, by a mile.

i've held off on Mark Z Danielweski's "The Familial" series but i can imagine that that series will be
extremely immersive in an interactive digital format, which is what i'm waiting on. although his
seminal "house of leaves", since it stretched the boundaries of what a book could be (and thus had
a huge influence on "S", i'm sure) is still the coolest, weirdest thing you could imagine, and it would
only lose a lot of it's appeal in whatever digital format you'd pour it into.

unlike music and movies, books are a very tactile beast, and despite them selling less and less,
i'm convinced that printed media is not going anywhere, anytime soon or even late. it'll become
more precious and elaborate and exclusive again, like it was in the past, which is actually a good
thing as far as books are concerned.

i mean, what would you prefer, this one, or the interactive digital one?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiJJ02RBEac


i know which one i prefer to hold in my hands

*although it has to be said that in the end, for all it's design and mystique, it's not that good of a book

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rdhull said:

Review by Paste: https://www.pastemagazine...eview.html

rdhull said:

Go get ‘em tiger!

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Even bootleggars can do better!

So why can't Michael?

Can't wait to buy the CD on Friday. Going to be a blast playing it loud on the way to work!

Carnt believe that you didnt buy it when you could. i carnt wait to blast the cd out. Maybe its me, but cd still seems to sound better to me than off streamming

BartVanHemelen said:

Review by Paste: https://www.pastemagazine...eview.html

Zach (the writer of this piece) needs to take a seat. Dissing Make-Up in the context of Something In the Water? No. Just...no.

I stream the FLACs to the Squeezebox, through a nice Chinese DAC and a Canadian amp...

AMERICA1ST said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

stillwaiting said: Well the exclusive with Tidal was for a streaming service. The media how most people consume music. And Tidal as we all know is a company originally co-owned by a recording artist in Jay Z and a coalition or other recording artists themselves. So you can manufacture your argument any way you like, but doesn’t change that physical sales are a tiny fraction of how people consume music or how the industry makes money from music. [Edited 6/18/19 12:08pm]

Tidal is some bullshit in my opinion. There is a reason vinyl has been coming back recently. Some of us still like to have something in hand that we control and can play anywhere and anytime without subscription fees and internet bullshit. That Jay Z owns it makes me hate it even more.

Tidal has its place, as cds do. I can't say Jay Z is on my list of favorite people either, but I don't exactly hate him either. Funny how someone on here was laughing at me for buying cds in 2011, saying they won't be making them in five years...well, they still are. Even cassette tapes are being made. I like Vinyl too, but back on topic, Originals could have been better, but it is still a win for us. Sure, I wish it was not mastered for 18 year olds that love everything so loud it sounds distorted, and I would assume those who like bad mastering account for maybe 5% of potential Prince customers. They may as well overdub Tony M and Scrappy Doo on every song...but back to positivity: We get a release that is over 60 minutes, and likely as close to the orginal recording as we could get...and some great music. I'm trying to be more positive in my older years, but will never hold back my opinions.

databank said:

Not sure what you mean. Epub and mobi files aren't websites. I know sites like Amazon only technically "stream" you the books, but there are ways to actually "rip" the books from them, and sites that actually offer the files themselves (whether legally or otherwise).

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epub and mobi files are, more or less, zip archive. Inside you can find HTML and CSS files (and in EPUB3 Javascript too). All the ebooks in the world are minisites!

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I only know Bandersnatch in the titles you mentionned, interactive arts is yet something else. Not sure how much future it has, it's a bit like the "choose your own adventure" books I used to play as a teen, they were cool but never came close to replace novels. In a way they're not so far removed from Trevor's suggestion to "remix your own Prince album from the multitracks" or, even, video games in the traditional sense of the term. Until maybe AI develops to the pojnt that it can adjust to one's own choices in real time and in an infinite manner of ways, literally creating the work as you play it, those things remain pre-programmed with a limited number of options, and I don't think people are looking for the same thing when "playing" a work of art as they do when "consuming" it in a passive way, i.e. accepting an artists' choice and decision for what it is, as such. It's hard to predict the future but the tremendous success of video games for 40 years and the fact that it doesn't really competes with films and series suggests that one may never replace the other in terms of a consumers' experience.

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Uh, no, again

Afaik videogames in 2017 had a flood of 107 billion dollars. Movie "only" 88 billion dollars. And, not, electronic literature is not only CYOA. Electronic Literature is videogames, as generative music. In my last ebook of poems you can touch the poems, see the verses that change, hide, divide at the touch, change depending on the time of day when you read them. And more. So: the digital instrument could change the content and how the user benefits from the content.

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IstenSzek said:

i think fabrizio is talking about books that are especially designed to be published in digital format?

i haven't come across any of them yet as i only buy printed books.

but my brother had the digital version of "S" by Doug Dorst & JJ Abrams (yes, him), which looked
pretty stunning as it was all interactive and seemed to go well beyond a simple epub or mobi file.

however, the actual printed version still beats the digital one's ass, by a mile.

i've held off on Mark Z Danielweski's "The Familial" series but i can imagine that that series will be
extremely immersive in an interactive digital format, which is what i'm waiting on. although his
seminal "house of leaves", since it stretched the boundaries of what a book could be (and thus had
a huge influence on "S", i'm sure) is still the coolest, weirdest thing you could imagine, and it would
only lose a lot of it's appeal in whatever digital format you'd pour it into.

unlike music and movies, books are a very tactile beast, and despite them selling less and less,
i'm convinced that printed media is not going anywhere, anytime soon or even late. it'll become
more precious and elaborate and exclusive again, like it was in the past, which is actually a good
thing as far as books are concerned.

i mean, what would you prefer, this one, or the interactive digital one?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiJJ02RBEac


i know which one i prefer to hold in my hands

*although it has to be said that in the end, for all it's design and mystique, it's not that good of a book

[Edited 6/18/19 15:35pm]

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You choose two wrong examples: "S." and "house of leaves" are two "interactive" book that can work fine only as paper ebook. A digital porting of "S." will surely be worse because "S." was created to take advantage of the book object.
Without wanting to, you're giving me reason: the media impacts the meaning, or rather, it can impact it if the author has expressly thought about the media at the time when he created his product.

Flac files or MP3 files are not real digital music: they are only data format to sell or share traditional music. I cited some message ago Tender Metal. Tender Metal is digital music: an album with some songs inside, and everytime you listen it, the songs change a little. Music, lyrics, isntruments, arrangements, everytime you have a different album with the same songs.

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timmie said:

Genesia said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Review by Paste: https://www.pastemagazine...eview.html

Zach (the writer of this piece) needs to take a seat. Dissing Make-Up in the context of Something In the Water? No. Just...no.

I had precisely the same thought! Dissing Make-Up at all - a gorgeous tune. Dissing it and utilising Something In The Water...oh my days.

fabriziovenerandi said:

IstenSzek said:

i think fabrizio is talking about books that are especially designed to be published in digital format?

i haven't come across any of them yet as i only buy printed books.

but my brother had the digital version of "S" by Doug Dorst & JJ Abrams (yes, him), which looked
pretty stunning as it was all interactive and seemed to go well beyond a simple epub or mobi file.

however, the actual printed version still beats the digital one's ass, by a mile.

i've held off on Mark Z Danielweski's "The Familial" series but i can imagine that that series will be
extremely immersive in an interactive digital format, which is what i'm waiting on. although his
seminal "house of leaves", since it stretched the boundaries of what a book could be (and thus had
a huge influence on "S", i'm sure) is still the coolest, weirdest thing you could imagine, and it would
only lose a lot of it's appeal in whatever digital format you'd pour it into.

unlike music and movies, books are a very tactile beast, and despite them selling less and less,
i'm convinced that printed media is not going anywhere, anytime soon or even late. it'll become
more precious and elaborate and exclusive again, like it was in the past, which is actually a good
thing as far as books are concerned.

i mean, what would you prefer, this one, or the interactive digital one?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiJJ02RBEac


i know which one i prefer to hold in my hands

*although it has to be said that in the end, for all it's design and mystique, it's not that good of a book

[Edited 6/18/19 15:35pm]

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You choose two wrong examples: "S." and "house of leaves" are two "interactive" book that can work fine only as paper ebook. A digital porting of "S." will surely be worse because "S." was created to take advantage of the book object.
Without wanting to, you're giving me reason: the media impacts the meaning, or rather, it can impact it if the author has expressly thought about the media at the time when he created his product.

Flac files or MP3 files are not real digital music: they are only data format to sell or share traditional music. I cited some message ago Tender Metal. Tender Metal is digital music: an album with some songs inside, and everytime you listen it, the songs change a little. Music, lyrics, isntruments, arrangements, everytime you have a different album with the same songs.

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f.

interesting

no, i know that S and HOL were both created to take advantage of the book object, i think we lost
a little bit in translation there, between us

i agree with pretty much everything you wrote

SimonCharles said:

Genesia said:

Zach (the writer of this piece) needs to take a seat. Dissing Make-Up in the context of Something In the Water? No. Just...no.

I had precisely the same thought! Dissing Make-Up at all - a gorgeous tune. Dissing it and utilising Something In The Water...oh my days.

He dissed Something In The Water! Saying something is like Something In The Water, but worse is a takedown of both.

Dude is a philistine.