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The "Cinematic Mix" of "Nothing Compares 2 U" (on Target & Japan CDs of #Originals) is amazing. First verse is just #Prince vocals and strings! Strings are more prominent in the mix throughout.

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BartVanHemelen said:

From https://www.facebook.com/...861791221/ :

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The "Cinematic Mix" of "Nothing Compares 2 U" (on Target & Japan CDs of #Originals) is amazing. First verse is just #Prince vocals and strings! Strings are more prominent in the mix throughout.

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More encouragement for the Estate to mess with the tracks. Can't wait for Erotic City (House Mix) and When Doves Cry (Trap Mix feat. Niki Minaj)

databank said:

BartVanHemelen said:

From https://www.facebook.com/...861791221/ :

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More encouragement for the Estate to mess with the tracks. Can't wait for Erotic City (House Mix) and When Doves Cry (Trap Mix feat. Niki Minaj)

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Anything that gets Prince's vocals on a mix closer to what was on the Family album is a good thing, as much as it is messing with things. To me, the version they have released was messing with the track. I hope they'll improve on that.

mediumdry said:

databank said:

More encouragement for the Estate to mess with the tracks. Can't wait for Erotic City (House Mix) and When Doves Cry (Trap Mix feat. Niki Minaj)

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Anything that gets Prince's vocals on a mix closer to what was on the Family album is a good thing, as much as it is messing with things. To me, the version they have released was messing with the track. I hope they'll improve on that.

Well IDK, should they attempt to recreate the unreleased Family version (as they did on #1) or the final version (as they apparently did on #2)? Makes no difference to me, really.

However this brings me to wonder. If, as assumed so far, they only had a cassette mixdown of P's version then how could they possibly have the first verse with only Prince's vocals and the orchestra on the Cinematic Mix? I don't think there's any technology that allows them to isolate the vocals from everything else yet get a clean result, which could mean that either they do have a multitrack and used it there, or that the version on Originals is, in fact, not exactly the same as the one released last year (cassette last year, multitrack here), or that it was never a cassette in the first place.

Kares and Olb99, when you hear the Cinematic version I'd really like to have your take on this.

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databank said:

Well IDK, should they attempt to recreate the unreleased Family version (as they did on #1) or the final version (as they apparently did on #2)? Makes no difference to me, really.

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Seeing as I love the Family album version (#2) and think the #1 version is vastly inferior, I'd say they should attempt the officially released version as that is how Prince saw the song. (knowing full well that to Prince a song was always a living thing that could change in any direction and released (or even unreleased but mixed and mastered) versions were always just a reflection of that time, but I will make whatever argument to get the version I want)

However this brings me to wonder. If, as assumed so far, they only had a cassette mixdown of P's version then how could they possibly have the first verse with only Prince's vocals and the orchestra on the Cinematic Mix? I don't think there's any technology that allows them to isolate the vocals from everything else yet get a clean result, which could mean that either they do have a multitrack and used it there, or that the version on Originals is, in fact, not exactly the same as the one released last year (cassette last year, multitrack here), or that it was never a cassette in the first place.

Kares and Olb99, when you hear the Cinematic version I'd really like to have your take on this.

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Didn't they say that they found the 24 track recording and mixed the single version from that? Like you, I wish there was more transparency about what they have and how the released versions were created. The mixes on Originals are simply odd for a few of the tracks. (and contain parts that Prince muted in all mixes of the songs that circulate)

BartVanHemelen said:

From https://www.facebook.com/...861791221/ :

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The "Cinematic Mix" of "Nothing Compares 2 U" (on Target & Japan CDs of #Originals) is amazing. First verse is just #Prince vocals and strings! Strings are more prominent in the mix throughout.

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I can confirm, I have just listened it. Voice + strings in first 1:15 (more or less), and all instruments in the last section of the song, but with strings more preminent than regular version.

mediumdry said:

databank said:

Well IDK, should they attempt to recreate the unreleased Family version (as they did on #1) or the final version (as they apparently did on #2)? Makes no difference to me, really.

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Seeing as I love the Family album version (#2) and think the #1 version is vastly inferior,

I'd say they should attempt the officially released version as that is how Prince saw the song.

How Prince saw the song was with Paul on vocals. It's not about how Prince saw the song, it's about how he left it on any given day before it was overdubbed and reworked on another day.

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(knowing full well that to Prince a song was always a living thing that could change in any direction and released (or even unreleased but mixed and mastered) versions were always just a reflection of that time, but I will make whatever argument to get the version I want)

At least you're honest about your bad faith and not trying to bamboozle people, I appreciate that

However, I must again emphasize the fact that, as far as I'm concerned, what anyone "likes" or "prefers" or "wants" is totally irrelevant when it comes to preserving, releasing let alone altering Prince's works, whether it's about opening the vault or "improving" TGE by removing synthesizer parts as suggested above. Our personal preferences give us no moral right whatsoever to interfere with other people's work.

However this brings me to wonder. If, as assumed so far, they only had a cassette mixdown of P's version then how could they possibly have the first verse with only Prince's vocals and the orchestra on the Cinematic Mix? I don't think there's any technology that allows them to isolate the vocals from everything else yet get a clean result, which could mean that either they do have a multitrack and used it there, or that the version on Originals is, in fact, not exactly the same as the one released last year (cassette last year, multitrack here), or that it was never a cassette in the first place.

Kares and Olb99, when you hear the Cinematic version I'd really like to have your take on this.

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Didn't they say that they found the 24 track recording and mixed the single version from that? Like you, I wish there was more transparency about what they have and how the released versions were created. The mixes on Originals are simply odd for a few of the tracks. (and contain parts that Prince muted in all mixes of the songs that circulate)

AFAIK Howe wasn't that specific last year. He just said they found "it" in the vault. I will publish an account of everything I found, if I find anything more at all, in a month or two. Don't hold your breath though, I doubt I'll be able to come-up with anything 100% conclusive.

Just called at Sainburys and tesco music section hoping to pick up a copy, no chance! Nothing! Good job Warners UK! Will have to make a trip to hmv later in hope they actually with have some out. Sorry I'm venting cuss I'm out driving all day so want to blast it out on cd!

antonb said:

Just called at Sainburys and tesco music section hoping to pick up a copy, no chance! Nothing! Good job Warners UK! Will have to make a trip to hmv later in hope they actually with have some out. Sorry I'm venting cuss I'm out driving all day so want to blast it out on cd!

I just ordered mine form Amazon, so it'll be there when I get home. In the mean time, I've deleted the awful Tidal app as it's available on Apple Music now.

fabriziovenerandi said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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I can confirm, I have just listened it. Voice + strings in first 1:15 (more or less), and all instruments in the last section of the song, but with strings more preminent than regular version.

where can i hear it???

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lottusflower said:

fabriziovenerandi said:

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I can confirm, I have just listened it. Voice + strings in first 1:15 (more or less), and all instruments in the last section of the song, but with strings more preminent than regular version.

where can i hear it???

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ON THE BLOODY CD.

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Sheesh.

BartVanHemelen said:

lottusflower said:

where can i hear it???

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ON THE BLOODY CD.

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Sheesh.

Not on any CD though, isn't it just the Japanese release and the one on sale in Target in the USA? Nowhere to buy it in the UK as far as I know. Apart form importing, obviously.

amokeru said:

It is already Friday night here in Japan!

So you had the chance to listen to the CD with the bonus track: right? Or maybe the LP, with the booklet? Interesting?

I ordered my CD from Japan (beautiful country by the way).

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iveivan said:

Is this on streaming outside of Tidal as yet?

It's on SPotify at least.

amokeru said:

It is already Friday night here in Japan!

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Great time for a beer!

The 'normal' originals CD should arrive here (Netherlands) today.

I'll try to locate a preview to decide whether I need the Japansese/Target release.

Update!

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The CD is here.

I have seen the photos already so I know what is lacking w.r.t. the packaging.

So there is no need to open it.

BartVanHemelen said:

lottusflower said:

where can i hear it???

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ON THE BLOODY CD.

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Sheesh.

lottusflower said:

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If that is the response to common logic, then how are you able to cope with the modern world?

Are you even able to function?

Because with those skills you could not even obtain the CD that this thread is about, let alone find the way to optimally enjoy the audio.

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Is the Originals packaging/artwork better than P&M '83?

TheEnglishGent said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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ON THE BLOODY CD.

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Sheesh.

Not on any CD though, isn't it just the Japanese release and the one on sale in Target in the USA?

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Yes. As stated in my post at the top of this thread.

udo said:

amokeru said:

It is already Friday night here in Japan!

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Great time for a beer!

The 'normal' originals CD should arrive here (Netherlands) today.

I'll try to locate a preview to decide whether I need the Japansese/Target release.

I pre-orderd the Japanese version and got a shipping confirmation last sunday.
Usually it takes about a week to get here in the NEtherlands, so hopefully I'll have it around early next week.

JorisE73 said:

udo said:

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Great time for a beer!

The 'normal' originals CD should arrive here (Netherlands) today.

I'll try to locate a preview to decide whether I need the Japansese/Target release.

I pre-orderd the Japanese version and got a shipping confirmation last sunday.
Usually it takes about a week to get here in the NEtherlands, so hopefully I'll have it around early next week.

Me too, all my Prince's CD are coming from Japan. Sometmes we get some bonus tracks or EP's.

I highly recommend CDjapan, as they're very customer oriented.

https://youtu.be/-ku7-Wzc0dc

rdhull said:

djThunderfunk said:

I totally expect the CD to sound exactly the same as the digital, but I have hopes that the vinyl will sound better.

Too bad we won't know for a few more weeks.

The Itunes sound seems way better than Tidal. Thats why I am getting the cd (besides wanting tangible copy).

That's weird about iTunes & Tidal. Is it a bitrate thing?

I'd get the CD even if what I downloaded was HiRes (it's not, it was mp3), alway have to have a physical copy.

Guardian review: https://www.theguardian.c...als-review

The Times review: https://www.thetimes.co.u...-2p8rqr3rk

Variety review: https://variety.com/2019/...203249946/

Time review: https://time.com/5610751/...ls-review/