AvocadosMax said:

motherfunka said:

Extra "cinematic" version of Nothing Compares 2 U. Whatever that is! lol

Could it be the Prince vocal version of the Claire Fischer strings version?

Clare actually might be worth buying yet ANOTHER version of this. Thanks, guys!

Forgive me is this has been posted before - I know Bart has been pretty good about posting all the articles.

This one is from NME, and this quote from the article stood out to me:

"On the eve of the release of the new album, NME were invited to an exclusive listening event featuring a live Q&A with Michael Howe, the man tasked with archiving the purple one’s mythical vault and all of its contents – reportedly thousands and thousands of unreleased recordings, mostly on cassette. After listening to a portion of the new album, we sat down with Howe to find out more about Prince, the vault, and how ‘Originals’ came to be."

https://www.nme.com/blogs...KMN1r_hO_4

[Edited 6/20/19 11:29am]

Speaking of cassetts, has Kares weighed into say what media he believes were used to source the tracks on this album? I know he had very strong ideas about the media that was used for the previous posthumous releases.

Se7en said:

Forgive me is this has been posted before - I know Bart has been pretty good about posting all the articles.

This one is from NME, and this quote from the article stood out to me:

"On the eve of the release of the new album, NME were invited to an exclusive listening event featuring a live Q&A with Michael Howe, the man tasked with archiving the purple one’s mythical vault and all of its contents – reportedly thousands and thousands of unreleased recordings, mostly on cassette. After listening to a portion of the new album, we sat down with Howe to find out more about Prince, the vault, and how ‘Originals’ came to be."

https://www.nme.com/blogs...KMN1r_hO_4

[Edited 6/20/19 11:29am]

I hope they were Maxell and not TDK

rdhull said:

Se7en said:

Forgive me is this has been posted before - I know Bart has been pretty good about posting all the articles.

This one is from NME, and this quote from the article stood out to me:

"On the eve of the release of the new album, NME were invited to an exclusive listening event featuring a live Q&A with Michael Howe, the man tasked with archiving the purple one’s mythical vault and all of its contents – reportedly thousands and thousands of unreleased recordings, mostly on cassette. After listening to a portion of the new album, we sat down with Howe to find out more about Prince, the vault, and how ‘Originals’ came to be."

https://www.nme.com/blogs...KMN1r_hO_4

[Edited 6/20/19 11:29am]

I hope they were Maxell and not TDK

Even when I was young and broke, I always ponied up for Maxell.

AvocadosMax said:

Ok folks so I did some investigative work and I found that while (apparently) SOME Targets are selling Originals (Target Exclusive) early, most aren’t because they’re technically not allowed to sell it yet. So I went to my local Target, went to the new CDs area, and I saw the labels for “Prince Originals” and the exclusive one. None were there. So I asked a nice young lady (we actually had a calculus class together earlier this year lol) and she told me the had already sold out!! Then she told me that the other Target (about 15 minutes away) has 17 copies. Of course I drive out and I see no labels or anything. Asked the guy in electronics and he said that they shouldn’t have been selling them before the official release date! “It won’t even scan or allow us to sell it until the date that’s in the system” So damn close to having it today. I can’t even shop tomorrow ‘cause I work tomorrow

THIS is the way it's been for years with corporate retail and release dates. Anytime some dummy employee puts something out early (which does happen a lot) it's caught at the register which won't allow it to be rung up until the date. Usually when people talk about getting something at "X" store early it was at best due to employee shenanigans or at worst theft. Just sayin'....

I took my cd's copy today in Genova: nothing different from screenshots someone shared some days ago via twitter.

djThunderfunk said:

AvocadosMax said:

djThunderfunk said:

THIS is the way it's been for years with corporate retail and release dates. Anytime some dummy employee puts something out early (which does happen a lot) it's caught at the register which won't allow it to be rung up until the date. Usually when people talk about getting something at "X" store early it was at best due to employee shenanigans or at worst theft. Just sayin'....

Man I talked to at the other store said he gonna call corporate. Someone’s bout to be fired lol

It depends. Some stores still follow the "old school" rules and worry about early releases, from back in the day when cds moved a lot. Now that cd sales are not that big, the record companies don't usually enforce it anymore, because they really don't care, so no shock some are leaking. If Originals was going to sell 9,000,000 copies, maybe...but 50,000 is even a wild guess for sales. Some of the kids working in the stores have never even owned a cd, so doubt they care if it is stocked early.

stillwaiting said:

AvocadosMax said:

djThunderfunk said: Man I talked to at the other store said he gonna call corporate. Someone’s bout to be fired lol

It depends. Some stores still follow the "old school" rules and worry about early releases, from back in the day when cds moved a lot. Now that cd sales are not that big, the record companies don't usually enforce it anymore, because they really don't care, so no shock some are leaking. If Originals was going to sell 9,000,000 copies, maybe...but 50,000 is even a wild guess for sales. Some of the kids working in the stores have never even owned a cd, so doubt they care if it is stocked early.

It would be more than just stocking early. The register would catch it as a pre-release date and refuse to ring it up. In most of these situations management cannot even over-ride the sale at the register.

I'll never forget buying multiple copies of Ultimate at Wal-Mart like 3 months early.

djThunderfunk said:

stillwaiting said:

It depends. Some stores still follow the "old school" rules and worry about early releases, from back in the day when cds moved a lot. Now that cd sales are not that big, the record companies don't usually enforce it anymore, because they really don't care, so no shock some are leaking. If Originals was going to sell 9,000,000 copies, maybe...but 50,000 is even a wild guess for sales. Some of the kids working in the stores have never even owned a cd, so doubt they care if it is stocked early.

It would be more than just stocking early. The register would catch it as a pre-release date and refuse to ring it up. In most of these situations management cannot even over-ride the sale at the register.

That happened to me at Best Buy for U2 Live in Chicago DVD, but for the Ultimate Prince that was pulled from the shelves for a bit, was sold to me at the same Best Buy, so this is not like some life or death matter to retailers as it was back in the day...the reason so many have posted pictures on facebook, is some retailers...Target included, just could care less. As much as it hurts me to say it, music is just not what it once was. I'm glad to have grown up when it meant something...it is just background noise now for a lot of kids...no music programs in schools, auto tune being defined as an art...hell even Prince used it, U2 used it, and sadly George Michael used it, but gladly, not too much...and even Paul McCartney has

bfunk said:

I'll never forget buying multiple copies of Ultimate at Wal-Mart like 3 months early.

I don't know if the computers/registers were set up to prevent such a thing in 2006 as they are now, or not, but that was a different situation. From Princevault:

"Once his new album, 3121, was announced with the same release date, Ultimate was postponed (it is unclear if Warner Bros. or Prince wanted this postponement). The packaging for Ultimate was finalized, printed and CD’s were pressed and distributed to wholesalers; with a recall on such short notice over a 1,000 copies ended up in shops and being sold in the US, Australia mid March 2006, and in Greece a month later (on 17 April 2006)."

http://www.princevault.co...:_Ultimate

djThunderfunk said:

bfunk said:

I'll never forget buying multiple copies of Ultimate at Wal-Mart like 3 months early.

I don't know if the computers/registers were set up to prevent such a thing in 2006 as they are now, or not, but that was a different situation. From Princevault:

"Once his new album, 3121, was announced with the same release date, Ultimate was postponed (it is unclear if Warner Bros. or Prince wanted this postponement). The packaging for Ultimate was finalized, printed and CD’s were pressed and distributed to wholesalers; with a recall on such short notice over a 1,000 copies ended up in shops and being sold in the US, Australia mid March 2006, and in Greece a month later (on 17 April 2006)."

http://www.princevault.co...:_Ultimate

I understand. I actually had Ultimate two or three days before the release, and then it was gone for about a month. I'm just saying the reason so many have Originals now, is music is not important to most under 30, so if a few hundred get sold early, it's not like some national emergency like if the next I Phone was sold ten days early at an Apple Store...

It does matter to Tidal and Warners. It does matter to Target corporate. It probably does not matter to the average Target employee, which is why corporate has measures to prevent mistakes and why employees can be fired for circumventing such measures.

stillwaiting said:

djThunderfunk said:

It would be more than just stocking early. The register would catch it as a pre-release date and refuse to ring it up. In most of these situations management cannot even over-ride the sale at the register.

That happened to me at Best Buy for U2 Live in Chicago DVD, but for the Ultimate Prince that was pulled from the shelves for a bit, was sold to me at the same Best Buy, so this is not like some life or death matter to retailers as it was back in the day...the reason so many have posted pictures on facebook, is some retailers...Target included, just could care less. As much as it hurts me to say it, music is just not what it once was. I'm glad to have grown up when it meant something...it is just background noise now for a lot of kids...no music programs in schools, auto tune being defined as an art...hell even Prince used it, U2 used it, and sadly George Michael used it, but gladly, not too much...and even Paul McCartney has

Thats the result of the music being so readily available now (streaming etc.). It's like it's been devalued overall since it is easily accessibly and reduced tangibles (records, artwork, and such).

this reminds me, i should delete my tidal account

rdhull said:

stillwaiting said:

That happened to me at Best Buy for U2 Live in Chicago DVD, but for the Ultimate Prince that was pulled from the shelves for a bit, was sold to me at the same Best Buy, so this is not like some life or death matter to retailers as it was back in the day...the reason so many have posted pictures on facebook, is some retailers...Target included, just could care less. As much as it hurts me to say it, music is just not what it once was. I'm glad to have grown up when it meant something...it is just background noise now for a lot of kids...no music programs in schools, auto tune being defined as an art...hell even Prince used it, U2 used it, and sadly George Michael used it, but gladly, not too much...and even Paul McCartney has

Thats the result of the music being so readily available now (streaming etc.). It's like it's been devalued overall since it is easily accessibly and reduced tangibles (records, artwork, and such).

I think some people think there is some huge meeting with executives where they are detailing out the mass destruction to the known industry should something leak a day or two early... and the severe consequnces. Well, those days are gone. Nobody cares. I doubt CNN is going to do a five hour special on consequences of selling a release early. I don't think the NBA draft tonight will be interrupted with a news flash about Target selling a few cds on the wrong day. The 20 year old making 11 an hour at Target will get a Manager to do an override if the customer complains enough. Warners and Target are not going to close down over Prince. I wish it was that important, but this release will be lucky to sell 50,000. What did Phase One do at first? 11,000? Maybe a few more after P's sad passing...

stillwaiting said:

rdhull said:

Thats the result of the music being so readily available now (streaming etc.). It's like it's been devalued overall since it is easily accessibly and reduced tangibles (records, artwork, and such).

I think some people think there is some huge meeting with executives where they are detailing out the mass destruction to the known industry should something leak a day or two early... and the severe consequnces. Well, those days are gone. Nobody cares. I doubt CNN is going to do a five hour special on consequences of selling a release early. I don't think the NBA draft tonight will be interrupted with a news flash about Target selling a few cds on the wrong day. The 20 year old making 11 an hour at Target will get a Manager to do an override if the customer complains enough. Warners and Target are not going to close down over Prince. I wish it was that important, but this release will be lucky to sell 50,000. What did Phase One do at first? 11,000? Maybe a few more after P's sad passing...

I don't think anyone is suggesting this is CNN-worthy, LOL!

It's not even about just music, though. It's about DVDs & Blurays, it's about books and it's about video games. There's a lot of room between "nobody cares" and CNN doing a "five hour special".

Target as a corporation cares because the media companies they deal with care because contractual obligation require them to care. They set up the computer codes to not allow the sale to go through or for an over-ride to allow early sales to prevent "20 year olds" and "managers" alike from being able to make decisions that go against these policies.

Of course there are leaks, and theft and usually ways to work around the system. That's not going to stop, and of course, most people don't care. But usually, if you see something in a big box retail chain put out early and take it to the register the odds are the sale won't go through.

djThunderfunk said:

passing...

I don't think anyone is suggesting this is CNN-worthy, LOL!

My sarcasm is a bit out of control today, but you are not the only one with your opinion. I tried to buy it at my Target, but was too lazy to go to one further away. I hope the cd sounds better than the Tidal version, but doubt it will. Stupid that the deluxe is not released at the same time.

stillwaiting said:

djThunderfunk said:

I don't think anyone is suggesting this is CNN-worthy, LOL!

My sarcasm is a bit out of control today, but you are not the only one with your opinion. I tried to buy it at my Target, but was too lazy to go to one further away. I hope the cd sounds better than the Tidal version, but doubt it will. Stupid that the deluxe is not released at the same time.

I got what you were saying. You’re absolutely right about the reality of the music world.

stillwaiting said:

My sarcasm is a bit out of control today, but you are not the only one with your opinion. I tried to buy it at my Target, but was too lazy to go to one further away. I hope the cd sounds better than the Tidal version, but doubt it will. Stupid that the deluxe is not released at the same time.

I totally expect the CD to sound exactly the same as the digital, but I have hopes that the vinyl will sound better.

Too bad we won't know for a few more weeks.

Well, I ended up postponing my trip to Target until tomorrow. I did try to convince the wife that we should go, and when I told her why, she lost her shit. BUYING TWO OF THE SAME CD?! I told her about the Target exclusive song. WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST WAIT AND BUY IT AT TARGET??? She just doesn't understand... Actually, I've been trying to score the Japanese SHM mini lps from ebay as of late and that's what's really drawn her ire. Me and my Prince collection are about to be homeless.

djThunderfunk said:

stillwaiting said:

My sarcasm is a bit out of control today, but you are not the only one with your opinion. I tried to buy it at my Target, but was too lazy to go to one further away. I hope the cd sounds better than the Tidal version, but doubt it will. Stupid that the deluxe is not released at the same time.

I totally expect the CD to sound exactly the same as the digital, but I have hopes that the vinyl will sound better.

Too bad we won't know for a few more weeks.

The Itunes sound seems way better than Tidal. Thats why I am getting the cd (besides wanting tangible copy).

sulls said:

Well, I ended up postponing my trip to Target until tomorrow. I did try to convince the wife that we should go, and when I told her why, she lost her shit. BUYING TWO OF THE SAME CD?! I told her about the Target exclusive song. WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST WAIT AND BUY IT AT TARGET??? She just doesn't understand... Actually, I've been trying to score the Japanese SHM mini lps from ebay as of late and that's what's really drawn her ire. Me and my Prince collection are about to be homeless.

Target had 14 on the floor but nobody could find them, even in the back. I tried to be slick by having them sell it a day early but no dice. The 24 year old associate hadn't heard of Prince music and I played some overplayed songs on my phone for him. Still nada. He also stated he appreciated Princes's fashion sense but thought he copied Michael Jackson. I asked him if anyone heard of Prince and another young associate who came by said he had just was listening to SOTT and that the new one or the SOTT was a black cover. Jesus (and I) wept.

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[Edited 6/20/19 20:34pm]

Wonder if this Target exclusive is actually something worthwhile. I want to believe....

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