Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

Yes , I do remember the "altered state " comments re: before and after the show.

I do believe this is very much a local connect and am no longer searching outside of that range.

Now, here is the thing, didn't KJ place a call to Dr. Schulenberg for something while he was with Prince in Atlanta at the show? I don't remember the details but if Prince was already self- medicating, why is KJ placing a call to the doctor for something . Me thinks it was for the oxy? Does that mean that Prince made him do that to through KJ off the scent? Did KJ make this decision on his own? Thoughts , anyone?

Menes, you're cookin'!

I thought Kirk already obtained oxydodone from Dr. S before the trip to Atlanta.

peggyon said:

If others are to be investigated again, I think Kirk and Phaedra should be at the top of the list

Add Meron to the list and Shawn Powell, the night watchman. IMO

PennyPurple said:

peggyon said:

If others are to be investigated again, I think Kirk and Phaedra should be at the top of the list

Add Meron to the list and Shawn Powell, the night watchman. IMO

This thought came to me. The family will likely not sue KJ, Phaedra, Meron, etc as they do not have any money. Phaedra has a little more but not enough to make them sue her.

The family is looking for money. I don't think they really care who assisted Prince in procuring his drugs. Follow the money, once again.

peggyon said:

This thought came to me. The family will likely not sue KJ, Phaedra, Meron, etc as they do not have any money. Phaedra has a little more but not enough to make them sue her.

The family is looking for money. I don't think they really care who assisted Prince in procuring his drugs. Follow the money, once again.

Why only sue for 50K though? That's a pretty low amount.

PennyPurple said:

peggyon said:

This thought came to me. The family will likely not sue KJ, Phaedra, Meron, etc as they do not have any money. Phaedra has a little more but not enough to make them sue her.

The family is looking for money. I don't think they really care who assisted Prince in procuring his drugs. Follow the money, once again.

Why only sue for 50K though? That's a pretty low amount.

That's true. My guess is that he has already been tried and fined. Maybe they don't think they can get more.

I have this bad feeling that they somewhat identify with KJ, Phaedra etc and won't pursue them.

I hope I am wrong.

PennyPurple said:

peggyon said:

This thought came to me. The family will likely not sue KJ, Phaedra, Meron, etc as they do not have any money. Phaedra has a little more but not enough to make them sue her.

The family is looking for money. I don't think they really care who assisted Prince in procuring his drugs. Follow the money, once again.

Why only sue for 50K though? That's a pretty low amount.

they are looking for damages 'in excess of $50K'...that's their opening ante...

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

Why only sue for 50K though? That's a pretty low amount.

they are looking for damages 'in excess of $50K'...that's their opening ante...

Yeah, it is just such a low starting point. I always thought wrongful death cases were started in the milllions.

Remember Tyka saying something like she wanted to put the investigation of his death behind her?

(In so many words).They're just scrounging for money now. Going for deep pockets.

PennyPurple said:

peggyon said:

This thought came to me. The family will likely not sue KJ, Phaedra, Meron, etc as they do not have any money. Phaedra has a little more but not enough to make them sue her.

The family is looking for money. I don't think they really care who assisted Prince in procuring his drugs. Follow the money, once again.

Why only sue for 50K though? That's a pretty low amount.

1. Well,Dr. Schulenberg should be sued for more than that. He put himself square in it when he told the detectives this: He gave Prince two doses of Clonidine before Prince had left. Schulenberg described Clonidine as a blood pressure medication that has for many years, used to treat opiate withdrawal symptoms. Note here: This means he is aware of the problem. I think this is on 4-7-16.

2. Couple that with the other statements Dr. Schuleneberg made that Prince was asking him questions about opiate withdrawal symptoms when describing the pain he was feeling.

3. When asked as to why he gave Prince a liter of IV fluids his was response was " that is what Prince wanted". Really? Tack on 5 large (million) for incompetence and breach of protocol.

4. Dr. Schulenberg stated that" Clonidine, Hydroxyzine and Valium (which he all prescribed) are all routinely taken together for opiate withdrawal symptoms". But you didn't diagnose him with such! Tack on 5 large(million) for failure to properly diagnose and recommending established customary care.

5. On 4-14 16 Kirk contacted Dr. Schulenberg to ask if Prince could have some pain medication because his hip was bothering him. Dr. Schulenberg said he was comfortable prescribing Prince a medication for (15) Percocets because he had seen Prince the week before. He also stated that the prescription was given to Prince before he knew Prince had a problem. Now this is what I was talking about. Were they in Atlanta or was this right before they left? Did they call it in while in Atlanta and went to pick it up there?

What is strange about this is that if Prince needed Percocet ( which is what KJ thought he took in Moline) what would be the purpose if he( Prince) was already stocked with opiates from the batches? This to me means that this was some intentional smoke screen ( to feed on the other opiates in order to throw someone off. Sort of like an insurance plan to use in case something happened. It is clear to me that he is already using from the batch @ PP and that is why he would not take the blood test in Moline. Had it been just percocets ( as kirk suspected) it would have been no issue. Also, I think the remnants from some of the pills, were found in the same suitcase he traveled with to Atlanta.

Now, when he got back to Minnesota, he did take a urine test and an opiate showed up in that test. It does not mention what the opiate was. It is either the fentanyl or the oxy, which tells me that he is aware of how to regulate the usage between that (7) seven day window he had before passing.

Pgs. 57-60 of the reports.

[Edited 8/24/18 21:08pm]

[Edited 8/24/18 21:21pm]

PennyPurple said:

peggyon said:

This thought came to me. The family will likely not sue KJ, Phaedra, Meron, etc as they do not have any money. Phaedra has a little more but not enough to make them sue her.

The family is looking for money. I don't think they really care who assisted Prince in procuring his drugs. Follow the money, once again.

Why only sue for 50K though? That's a pretty low amount.

According to Minnesota rules of civil procedure, “If a recovery of money for unliquidated damages in an amount greater than $50,000 is demanded, the pleading shall state merely that recovery of reasonable damages in an amount greater than $50,000 is sought.”

Good points Menes.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

Why only sue for 50K though? That's a pretty low amount.

1.Well,Dr. Schulenberg should be sued for more than that. He put himself square in it when he told the detectives this: He gave Prince two doses of Clonidine before Prince had left. Schulenberg described Clonidine as a blood pressure medication that has for many years, used to treat opiate withdrawal symptoms. Note here: This means he is aware of the problem. I think this is on 4-7-16

2.Couple that with the other statements Dr. Schuleneberg made that Prince was asking him questions about opiate withdrawal symptoms when describing the pain he was feeling.

3. When asked as to why he gave Prince a liter of IV fluids his was response was " that is what Prince wanted". Really? Tack on 5 large (million) for incompetence and breach of protocol.

4. Dr. Schulenberg stated that" Clonidine, Hydroxyzine and Valium (which he all prescribed) are all routinely taken together for opiate withdrawal symptoms". But you didn't diagnose him with such! Tack on 5 large(million) for failure to properly diagnose and recommending established customary care.

5. On 4-14 16 Kirk contacted Dr. Schulenberg to ask if Prince could have some pain medication because his hip was bothering him. Dr. Schulenberg said he was comfortable prescribing Prince a medication for 15 percocet because he had seen Prince the week before. He also stated that he prescription was given to Prince before he knew Prince had a problem. Now this is what I was talking about. Were they in Atlanta or was this right before they left? Did they call it in while in Atlanta and went to pick it up there?

What is strange about this is that if Prince needed Percocet ( which is what KJ thought he took in Moline) what would be the purpose if he( Prince) was already stocked with opiates from the batches? This to me means that this was some intentional smoke screen ( to feed on the other opiates in order to throw someone off. Sort of like an insurance plan to use in case something happened. It is clear to me that he is already using from the batch @ PP and that is why he woud not take the blood test in Moline. Had it been just percocets ( as kirk suspected) it would have been no issue. Also, I think the remnants of the some of the pills were found in the same suitcase he traveled with to atlanta.

Now, when he got back to Minnesota, he did take a urine test and an opiate showed up in that test. It does not mention what the opiate was. It is either the fentanyl or the oxy, which tells me he is aware of how to regulate the usage between that (7) seven day window he had before passing.

Pgs. 57-60 of the reports.

[Edited 8/24/18 21:08pm]

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

Why only sue for 50K though? That's a pretty low amount.

1. Well,Dr. Schulenberg should be sued for more than that. He put himself square in it when he told the detectives this: He gave Prince two doses of Clonidine before Prince had left. Schulenberg described Clonidine as a blood pressure medication that has for many years, used to treat opiate withdrawal symptoms. Note here: This means he is aware of the problem. I think this is on 4-7-16.

2. Couple that with the other statements Dr. Schuleneberg made that Prince was asking him questions about opiate withdrawal symptoms when describing the pain he was feeling.

3. When asked as to why he gave Prince a liter of IV fluids his was response was " that is what Prince wanted". Really? Tack on 5 large (million) for incompetence and breach of protocol.

4. Dr. Schulenberg stated that" Clonidine, Hydroxyzine and Valium (which he all prescribed) are all routinely taken together for opiate withdrawal symptoms". But you didn't diagnose him with such! Tack on 5 large(million) for failure to properly diagnose and recommending established customary care.

5. On 4-14 16 Kirk contacted Dr. Schulenberg to ask if Prince could have some pain medication because his hip was bothering him. Dr. Schulenberg said he was comfortable prescribing Prince a medication for (15) Percocets because he had seen Prince the week before. He also stated that the prescription was given to Prince before he knew Prince had a problem. Now this is what I was talking about. Were they in Atlanta or was this right before they left? Did they call it in while in Atlanta and went to pick it up there?

What is strange about this is that if Prince needed Percocet ( which is what KJ thought he took in Moline) what would be the purpose if he( Prince) was already stocked with opiates from the batches? This to me means that this was some intentional smoke screen ( to feed on the other opiates in order to throw someone off. Sort of like an insurance plan to use in case something happened. It is clear to me that he is already using from the batch @ PP and that is why he would not take the blood test in Moline. Had it been just percocets ( as kirk suspected) it would have been no issue. Also, I think the remnants from some of the pills, were found in the same suitcase he traveled with to Atlanta.

Now, when he got back to Minnesota, he did take a urine test and an opiate showed up in that test. It does not mention what the opiate was. It is either the fentanyl or the oxy, which tells me that he is aware of how to regulate the usage between that (7) seven day window he had before passing.

Pgs. 57-60 of the reports.

[Edited 8/24/18 21:08pm]

[Edited 8/24/18 21:21pm]

I didn't find anything in the report of someone else backstage. At least not yet.

Ok, found the 4-14-16- business > The video shows KJ picking up the Percocet meds that was called in by Dr. Schulenberg. By all indications, the Percocets are in KJ's hands on this date before they went to Atlanta.

I am still trying to figure out if he was using during the show ( on breaks) or just right after. Whatever he took, hit pretty quick and hard.

Also curious as to why the hospital ( in Moline)did not perform a chem test on the pills to know the exact makeup. There is so much careless shotty shit afoot.

Meron bought him stuff for constipation ( for whatever that is worth).

Menes said:

Menes said:

1. Well,Dr. Schulenberg should be sued for more than that. He put himself square in it when he told the detectives this: He gave Prince two doses of Clonidine before Prince had left. Schulenberg described Clonidine as a blood pressure medication that has for many years, used to treat opiate withdrawal symptoms. Note here: This means he is aware of the problem. I think this is on 4-7-16.

2. Couple that with the other statements Dr. Schuleneberg made that Prince was asking him questions about opiate withdrawal symptoms when describing the pain he was feeling.

3. When asked as to why he gave Prince a liter of IV fluids his was response was " that is what Prince wanted". Really? Tack on 5 large (million) for incompetence and breach of protocol.

4. Dr. Schulenberg stated that" Clonidine, Hydroxyzine and Valium (which he all prescribed) are all routinely taken together for opiate withdrawal symptoms". But you didn't diagnose him with such! Tack on 5 large(million) for failure to properly diagnose and recommending established customary care.

5. On 4-14 16 Kirk contacted Dr. Schulenberg to ask if Prince could have some pain medication because his hip was bothering him. Dr. Schulenberg said he was comfortable prescribing Prince a medication for (15) Percocets because he had seen Prince the week before. He also stated that the prescription was given to Prince before he knew Prince had a problem. Now this is what I was talking about. Were they in Atlanta or was this right before they left? Did they call it in while in Atlanta and went to pick it up there?

What is strange about this is that if Prince needed Percocet ( which is what KJ thought he took in Moline) what would be the purpose if he( Prince) was already stocked with opiates from the batches? This to me means that this was some intentional smoke screen ( to feed on the other opiates in order to throw someone off. Sort of like an insurance plan to use in case something happened. It is clear to me that he is already using from the batch @ PP and that is why he would not take the blood test in Moline. Had it been just percocets ( as kirk suspected) it would have been no issue. Also, I think the remnants from some of the pills, were found in the same suitcase he traveled with to Atlanta.

Now, when he got back to Minnesota, he did take a urine test and an opiate showed up in that test. It does not mention what the opiate was. It is either the fentanyl or the oxy, which tells me that he is aware of how to regulate the usage between that (7) seven day window he had before passing.

Pgs. 57-60 of the reports.

[Edited 8/24/18 21:08pm]

[Edited 8/24/18 21:21pm]

I didn't find anything in the report of someone else backstage. At least not yet.

Ok, found the 4-14-16- business > The video shows KJ picking up the Percocet meds that was called in by Dr. Schulenberg. By all indications, the Percocets are in KJ's hands on this date before they went to Atlanta.

I am still trying to figure out if he was using during the show ( on breaks) or just right after. Whatever he took, hit pretty quick and hard.

Also curious as to why the hospital ( in Moline)did not perform a chem test on the pills to know the exact makeup. There is so much careless shotty shit afoot.

Meron bought him stuff for constipation ( for whatever that is worth).

Continuation- found the opiate in the test from Dr. Schulenberg- positive for Hydrocodone 253 ng/ml and Hydromorphone 87 ng/ml. NO FENTANYL THIS TIME.

Well, I think Dr S's culpability is being exagerated. Administering a 1 litre IV is pretty innocuous. Most ER's start IV's without thinking too much of it unless the patient is in pulmonary edema etc.

Clonidine and Hydroxizine are prescribed without too much fanfare.

I think P and KJ already had the oxy's in Atlanta.

Urine test in @ Dr. S's showed Hydrocodone (Vicodin) and Hydromorphone (Dilaudid). If he took Fentanyl in Moline, it had been excreted before he underwent the urine test in Minnie several days later.

Lawsuits in America can be irrational and are often without real merit. These frivolous lawsuits (example, Moline hospital) contribute to practicimg medicine very defensively and result in MD's ordering unnecessary tests/procedures which jacks up the costs of healthcare.

I think that "the slap on the hand" already meted out to Dr. S shows that though it was wrong of him to do what he did, it was not eggregious.

I am not a lawyer and hopefully someone who is can weigh in.

My sense is that they will settle out of court. Alternatively, it could be a jury trial and juries tend to award more in damages though there may be more exposure of Prince's personal life that may

adversely affect his reputation.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

Why only sue for 50K though? That's a pretty low amount.

1.Well,Dr. Schulenberg should be sued for more than that. He put himself square in it when he told the detectives this: He gave Prince two doses of Clonidine before Prince had left. Schulenberg described Clonidine as a blood pressure medication that has for many years, used to treat opiate withdrawal symptoms. Note here: This means he is aware of the problem. I think this is on 4-7-16

2.Couple that with the other statements Dr. Schuleneberg made that Prince was asking him questions about opiate withdrawal symptoms when describing the pain he was feeling.

3. When asked as to why he gave Prince a liter of IV fluids his was response was " that is what Prince wanted". Really? Tack on 5 large (million) for incompetence and breach of protocol.

4. Dr. Schulenberg stated that" Clonidine, Hydroxyzine and Valium (which he all prescribed) are all routinely taken together for opiate withdrawal symptoms". But you didn't diagnose him with such! Tack on 5 large(million) for failure to properly diagnose and recommending established customary care.

5. On 4-14 16 Kirk contacted Dr. Schulenberg to ask if Prince could have some pain medication because his hip was bothering him. Dr. Schulenberg said he was comfortable prescribing Prince a medication for 15 percocet because he had seen Prince the week before. He also stated that he prescription was given to Prince before he knew Prince had a problem. Now this is what I was talking about. Were they in Atlanta or was this right before they left? Did they call it in while in Atlanta and went to pick it up there?

What is strange about this is that if Prince needed Percocet ( which is what KJ thought he took in Moline) what would be the purpose if he( Prince) was already stocked with opiates from the batches? This to me means that this was some intentional smoke screen ( to feed on the other opiates in order to throw someone off. Sort of like an insurance plan to use in case something happened. It is clear to me that he is already using from the batch @ PP and that is why he woud not take the blood test in Moline. Had it been just percocets ( as kirk suspected) it would have been no issue. Also, I think the remnants of the some of the pills were found in the same suitcase he traveled with to atlanta.

Now, when he got back to Minnesota, he did take a urine test and an opiate showed up in that test. It does not mention what the opiate was. It is either the fentanyl or the oxy, which tells me he is aware of how to regulate the usage between that (7) seven day window he had before passing.

Pgs. 57-60 of the reports.

[Edited 8/24/18 21:08pm]

[Edited 8/24/18 21:49pm]

peggyon said:

Well, I think Dr S's culpability is being exagerated. Administering a 1 litre IV is pretty innocuous. Most ER's start IV's without thinking too much of it unless the patient is in pulmonary edema etc.

Clonidine and Hydroxizine are prescribed without too much fanfare.

I think P and KJ already had the oxy's in Atlanta.

Urine test in @ Dr. S's showed Hydrocodone (Vicodin) and Hydromorphone (Dilaudid). If he took Fentanyl in Moline, it had been excreted before he underwent the urine test in Minnie several days later.

Lawsuits in America can be irrational and are often without real merit. These frivolous lawsuits (example, Moline hospital) contribute to practicimg medicine very defensively and result in MD's ordering unnecessary tests/procedures which jacks up the costs of healthcare.

I think that "the slap on the hand" already meted out to Dr. S shows that though it was wrong of him to do what he did, it was not eggregious.

I am not a lawyer and hopefully someone who is can weigh in.

My sense is that they will settle out of court. Alternatively, it could be a jury trial and juries tend to award more in damages though there may be more exposure of Prince's personal life that may

adversely affect his reputation.

Menes said:

1.Well,Dr. Schulenberg should be sued for more than that. He put himself square in it when he told the detectives this: He gave Prince two doses of Clonidine before Prince had left. Schulenberg described Clonidine as a blood pressure medication that has for many years, used to treat opiate withdrawal symptoms. Note here: This means he is aware of the problem. I think this is on 4-7-16

2.Couple that with the other statements Dr. Schuleneberg made that Prince was asking him questions about opiate withdrawal symptoms when describing the pain he was feeling.

3. When asked as to why he gave Prince a liter of IV fluids his was response was " that is what Prince wanted". Really? Tack on 5 large (million) for incompetence and breach of protocol.

4. Dr. Schulenberg stated that" Clonidine, Hydroxyzine and Valium (which he all prescribed) are all routinely taken together for opiate withdrawal symptoms". But you didn't diagnose him with such! Tack on 5 large(million) for failure to properly diagnose and recommending established customary care.

5. On 4-14 16 Kirk contacted Dr. Schulenberg to ask if Prince could have some pain medication because his hip was bothering him. Dr. Schulenberg said he was comfortable prescribing Prince a medication for 15 percocet because he had seen Prince the week before. He also stated that he prescription was given to Prince before he knew Prince had a problem. Now this is what I was talking about. Were they in Atlanta or was this right before they left? Did they call it in while in Atlanta and went to pick it up there?

What is strange about this is that if Prince needed Percocet ( which is what KJ thought he took in Moline) what would be the purpose if he( Prince) was already stocked with opiates from the batches? This to me means that this was some intentional smoke screen ( to feed on the other opiates in order to throw someone off. Sort of like an insurance plan to use in case something happened. It is clear to me that he is already using from the batch @ PP and that is why he woud not take the blood test in Moline. Had it been just percocets ( as kirk suspected) it would have been no issue. Also, I think the remnants of the some of the pills were found in the same suitcase he traveled with to atlanta.

Now, when he got back to Minnesota, he did take a urine test and an opiate showed up in that test. It does not mention what the opiate was. It is either the fentanyl or the oxy, which tells me he is aware of how to regulate the usage between that (7) seven day window he had before passing.

Pgs. 57-60 of the reports.

[Edited 8/24/18 21:08pm]

[Edited 8/24/18 21:49pm]

Yeah...like the full autopsy report...

peggyon said:

Well, I think Dr S's culpability is being exagerated. Administering a 1 litre IV is pretty innocuous. Most ER's start IV's without thinking too much of it unless the patient is in pulmonary edema etc.

Clonidine and Hydroxizine are prescribed without too much fanfare.

I think P and KJ already had the oxy's in Atlanta.

Urine test in @ Dr. S's showed Hydrocodone (Vicodin) and Hydromorphone (Dilaudid). If he took Fentanyl in Moline, it had been excreted before he underwent the urine test in Minnie several days later.

Lawsuits in America can be irrational and are often without real merit. These frivolous lawsuits (example, Moline hospital) contribute to practicimg medicine very defensively and result in MD's ordering unnecessary tests/procedures which jacks up the costs of healthcare.

I think that "the slap on the hand" already meted out to Dr. S shows that though it was wrong of him to do what he did, it was not eggregious.

I am not a lawyer and hopefully someone who is can weigh in.

My sense is that they will settle out of court. Alternatively, it could be a jury trial and juries tend to award more in damages though there may be more exposure of Prince's personal life that may

adversely affect his reputation.

Menes said:

1.Well,Dr. Schulenberg should be sued for more than that. He put himself square in it when he told the detectives this: He gave Prince two doses of Clonidine before Prince had left. Schulenberg described Clonidine as a blood pressure medication that has for many years, used to treat opiate withdrawal symptoms. Note here: This means he is aware of the problem. I think this is on 4-7-16

2.Couple that with the other statements Dr. Schuleneberg made that Prince was asking him questions about opiate withdrawal symptoms when describing the pain he was feeling.

3. When asked as to why he gave Prince a liter of IV fluids his was response was " that is what Prince wanted". Really? Tack on 5 large (million) for incompetence and breach of protocol.

4. Dr. Schulenberg stated that" Clonidine, Hydroxyzine and Valium (which he all prescribed) are all routinely taken together for opiate withdrawal symptoms". But you didn't diagnose him with such! Tack on 5 large(million) for failure to properly diagnose and recommending established customary care.

5. On 4-14 16 Kirk contacted Dr. Schulenberg to ask if Prince could have some pain medication because his hip was bothering him. Dr. Schulenberg said he was comfortable prescribing Prince a medication for 15 percocet because he had seen Prince the week before. He also stated that he prescription was given to Prince before he knew Prince had a problem. Now this is what I was talking about. Were they in Atlanta or was this right before they left? Did they call it in while in Atlanta and went to pick it up there?

What is strange about this is that if Prince needed Percocet ( which is what KJ thought he took in Moline) what would be the purpose if he( Prince) was already stocked with opiates from the batches? This to me means that this was some intentional smoke screen ( to feed on the other opiates in order to throw someone off. Sort of like an insurance plan to use in case something happened. It is clear to me that he is already using from the batch @ PP and that is why he woud not take the blood test in Moline. Had it been just percocets ( as kirk suspected) it would have been no issue. Also, I think the remnants of the some of the pills were found in the same suitcase he traveled with to atlanta.

Now, when he got back to Minnesota, he did take a urine test and an opiate showed up in that test. It does not mention what the opiate was. It is either the fentanyl or the oxy, which tells me he is aware of how to regulate the usage between that (7) seven day window he had before passing.

Pgs. 57-60 of the reports.

[Edited 8/24/18 21:08pm]

[Edited 8/24/18 21:49pm]

What he meant to do , and what he did, are two different things. One could make a strong argument that not only did he not follow protocol ,but that he also facilitated the usage by injecting his very limited knowledge or training to a patient that he clearly knew was going thru opiate withdrawal. His statements , coupled with the test results, provide ample evidence that he was aware of it.

[Edited 8/24/18 22:05pm]

Menes said:

What he meant to do , and what he did, are two different things. One could make a strong argument that not only did he not follow protocol ,but that he also facilitated the usage by injecting his very limited knowledge or training to a patient that he clearly knew was going thru opiate withdrawal. His statements , coupled with the test results, provide ample evidence that he was aware of it.

[Edited 8/24/18 22:05pm]

Why was he going thru withdrawals? Nobody has seemed to answer that, and he had plenty of drugs at PP.

[Edited 8/24/18 22:13pm]

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

What he meant to do , and what he did, are two different things. One could make a strong argument that not only did he not follow protocol ,but that he also facilitated the usage by injecting his very limited knowledge or training to a patient that he clearly knew was going thru opiate withdrawal. His statements , coupled with the test results, provide ample evidence that he was aware of it.

[Edited 8/24/18 22:05pm]

Why was he going thru withdrawals? Nobody has seemed to answer that, and he had plenty of drugs at PP.

[Edited 8/24/18 22:13pm]

This is conjecture: He knew he promised a urine test, so he was not taking Fentanyl for a few days and maybe he wanted his urine test to look less alarming by skimping on his other opiates as well.

After the urine test at Dr. S's, he seemed per KJ to be actively withdrawing. This is where I speculated he may have thrown up in the elevator (pre-Fentanyl).

Just my speculation...

Menes said:

Menes said:

I didn't find anything in the report of someone else backstage. At least not yet.

Ok, found the 4-14-16- business > The video shows KJ picking up the Percocet meds that was called in by Dr. Schulenberg. By all indications, the Percocets are in KJ's hands on this date before they went to Atlanta.

I am still trying to figure out if he was using during the show ( on breaks) or just right after. Whatever he took, hit pretty quick and hard.

Also curious as to why the hospital ( in Moline)did not perform a chem test on the pills to know the exact makeup. There is so much careless shotty shit afoot.

Meron bought him stuff for constipation ( for whatever that is worth).

Continuation- found the opiate in the test from Dr. Schulenberg- positive for Hydrocodone 253 ng/ml and Hydromorphone 87 ng/ml. NO FENTANYL THIS TIME.

In looking at a chart , it appears that the levels indicate a 2-3 day window since the last usage at the time the sample was given. What it was prior, is another bowl of wax. 253 ng/ml = 0.253 mg/l . The average hydrocodone concencetration in cases where the hydrocodone caused the death, was 0.47 mg/l.

Funny when Prince mentions he only took tylenol. By the accounts I've read ,Hydrcodone typically includes acetaminophen, but it is not tylenol. He was reading... or listening.

peggyon said:

PennyPurple said:

Why was he going thru withdrawals? Nobody has seemed to answer that, and he had plenty of drugs at PP.

[Edited 8/24/18 22:13pm]

This is conjecture: He knew he promised a urine test, so he was not taking Fentanyl for a few days and maybe he wanted his urine test to look less alarming by skimping on his other opiates as well.

After the urine test at Dr. S's, he seemed per KJ to be actively withdrawing. This is where I speculated he may have thrown up in the elevator (pre-Fentanyl).

Just my speculation...

Well, I think he thought he was smarter than the damn test itself. I dont think he calculated how long that metabolite would stay in his system after his last feeding.

The vomit that was found in his mouth, is a different kettle of fish.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

peggyon said:

Well, I think Dr S's culpability is being exagerated. Administering a 1 litre IV is pretty innocuous. Most ER's start IV's without thinking too much of it unless the patient is in pulmonary edema etc.

Clonidine and Hydroxizine are prescribed without too much fanfare.

I think P and KJ already had the oxy's in Atlanta.

Urine test in @ Dr. S's showed Hydrocodone (Vicodin) and Hydromorphone (Dilaudid). If he took Fentanyl in Moline, it had been excreted before he underwent the urine test in Minnie several days later.

Lawsuits in America can be irrational and are often without real merit. These frivolous lawsuits (example, Moline hospital) contribute to practicimg medicine very defensively and result in MD's ordering unnecessary tests/procedures which jacks up the costs of healthcare.

I think that "the slap on the hand" already meted out to Dr. S shows that though it was wrong of him to do what he did, it was not eggregious.

I am not a lawyer and hopefully someone who is can weigh in.

My sense is that they will settle out of court. Alternatively, it could be a jury trial and juries tend to award more in damages though there may be more exposure of Prince's personal life that may

adversely affect his reputation.

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Yeah...like the full autopsy report...

At this point , I don't think that they (whoever they are) even care about his reputation . It has been said that he didn't care about them as much , so there it is. I thnk that in his last days , the only person he cared about and trusted (however limited)was KJ. Larry preached himself out of the trust dept. when he recommended Manuela and the "church".

Krystalkisses said:

CatB said:

Yes he did drive, often driving around just for the sake of it.

Speaking of driving - does anyone happen to know anything about his crash with the Thunderbird? I think it was in Alex Hahn's or Ronin Ro's book. That he came out of it without any bruises but that he had totalled the car. Now when all the files were released I thought I saw the t-bird in the photos and it didn't look damaged to me but who knows.

Does anyone have info on that? IIRC it read that he never talked about the incident after and I was wondering if this stunt might have come from the same notion as the wine & pills incident.

Yes i read about that incident , I think it was in Ronin Ro's book. I can't remember what car it was or the year this happened.

Ah, so it was Ronin Ro's book. I'm pretty sure it was the T-bird and I think it happened in the late 80's.

If we think we have a case, why don't we sue someone for damages?

We lost our favourite musician...

I know y'all think I'm crazy, but who better to bring over drugs than a former employee who was using himself? I know - when the club manager died, he didn't die using the same drugs Prince did, but where did the manager get HIS drugs? The investigators dismissed any connection but ...

80tomato said:

I feel badly for Dr.S....he did not want to be a celebrity doc...did KJ inform him that Prince was getting help from the California rehab in the following day.Prince did this to himself and the family should not ruin other peoples lives

I agree! This is ridiculous. They just run from one lawsuit to another. It's obvious they just want the money anywhere they can find it. I know plenty of doctors like this man, and I assure you he was doing his best to help with a very delicate situation. I could go on and on about the challenges drug seeking individuals bring to a health care provider. All the "chronic pain" patients out there can thank all the Prince's and KJ's of the world for getting them cut off. Hopefully, the family ends up with nothing which is what they deserve. A thorough investigation has already been done and the doc was found not to be responsible. I know that doesn't mean anything to those of you on this thread, but it's time for you to all accept it too. There are plenty of people out here in the real world who believe and trust in the investigation that has been concluded. You all just sound a bit off your rockers. Yes, it would be nice to find the source of the illicit pills, but this thread has gone super off the rails.

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

What he meant to do , and what he did, are two different things. One could make a strong argument that not only did he not follow protocol ,but that he also facilitated the usage by injecting his very limited knowledge or training to a patient that he clearly knew was going thru opiate withdrawal. His statements , coupled with the test results, provide ample evidence that he was aware of it.

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Why was he going thru withdrawals? Nobody has seemed to answer that, and he had plenty of drugs at PP.

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I believe as per the weight loss, yellowish color and comments by the chef that he had been having GI problems for a while that Prince was vomiting up a lot of his pills which threw him into withdrawel (BEFORE the Narcan)...no one has ever said he used needles (although Fent. patches were alluded to)...he was known to be a 'pill man' ...and if you can't keep your plls down it doesn't matter how many you have in your stash.

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Yeah...like the full autopsy report...

At this point , I don't think that they (whoever they are) even care about his reputation . It has been said that he didn't care about them as much , so there it is. I thnk that in his last days , the only person he cared about and trusted (however limited)was KJ. Larry preached himself out of the trust dept. when he recommended Manuela and the "church".

more than 'recommended': sold, rationalized and took advantage of a lonely and confused man. Remember, Prince was a MARRIED MAN when Larry greased the skids for his affair with another woman by telling Prince it was just fine to bang M2 because she had a bible in her lap. Pathetic hypocrits. When Prince got hip to the chaos and disorder that that kind of moral/emotional disconnect brings...he was never quite the same again, IMO

Menes said:

Can we talk statute of limitations for a second? I read that Minnesota's statute for drug offenses (which I believe includes trafficking) was three years. How does it apply here? I wonder if a lawyer can shed some light. I guess what I am wondering is if Prince's dealers or procurers came forward in three years or so to tell the truth, could they be prosecuted. . If not, could the public get answers if we just wait.

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