PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Get back on it next month. I have (2) two doctors on the radar and (3) pill clinincs to hash over. Out.

Sweet Dreams!....as in, REST UP...we need you!!!

[Edited 8/25/18 20:41pm]

precioux said:

Menes said:

So, to continue down that path, notice how he did not take those pills when he went to see Dr. Schulenberg but rather, fed off of the Oxycodone > A clear foreknowledge of which is which. This is not an accident! Guess the only thing missing at PP was: narcan

[Edited 8/25/18 20:26pm]

The other glaring question is why did he have Dilaudid in his system (hydromorphone)??? Where did that come from?? It was never found at PP, but showed up in his UA by DrS

I still haven't figured that one out either Precioux.

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

Menes said: The other glaring question is why did he have Dilaudid in his system (hydromorphone)??? Where did that come from?? It was never found at PP, but showed up in his UA by DrS

I still haven't figured that one out either Precioux.

Kirk apparently cleared everything (he could find) out of paisley ..was that after the doctors visit on the 20th ?

Is is possible that is one of the things he took ?

Why did the investigtors not ask

"What did you clear out and where is it now?"

Also

on the Morning of 21st wasnt there a converstation between Kirk and Schulenberg

where Kirk states

"I am here waiting for him to wake up to give him something to take the edge off " ?

Where exactly WAS Kirk ?

an

WHat was he planning to give Prince to take the ege off ?

It cant have been anything from the RXs prescribed and collected from Wallgreens the night before as Prince had already said "it wasnt working" and Kirk had confiscated them for the same reason...

??????????????

Lovejunky said:

PennyPurple said:

I still haven't figured that one out either Precioux.

Kirk apparently cleared everything (he could find) out of paisley ..was that after the doctors visit on the 20th ?

Is is possible that is one of the things he took ?

Why did the investigtors not ask

"What did you clear out and where is it now?"

Also

on the Morning of 21st wasnt there a converstation between Kirk and Schulenberg

where Kirk states

"I am here waiting for him to wake up to give him something to take the edge off " ?

Where exactly WAS Kirk ?

an

WHat was he planning to give Prince to take the ege off ?

It cant have been anything from the RXs prescribed and collected from Wallgreens the night before as Prince had already said "it wasnt working" and Kirk had confiscated them for the same reason...

??????????????

it's sounding more and more like Kirk was Prince's own private medical aide...and orderly. As I wondered before, how many times had he carried an unconscious Prince to help???

I think it was the Valium Dr. S ordered to be given to P under supervision by Kirk.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Lovejunky said:

Kirk apparently cleared everything (he could find) out of paisley ..was that after the doctors visit on the 20th ?

Is is possible that is one of the things he took ?

Why did the investigtors not ask

"What did you clear out and where is it now?"

Also

on the Morning of 21st wasnt there a converstation between Kirk and Schulenberg

where Kirk states

"I am here waiting for him to wake up to give him something to take the edge off " ?

Where exactly WAS Kirk ?

an

WHat was he planning to give Prince to take the ege off ?

It cant have been anything from the RXs prescribed and collected from Wallgreens the night before as Prince had already said "it wasnt working" and Kirk had confiscated them for the same reason...

??????????????

it's sounding more and more like Kirk was Prince's own private medical aide...and orderly. As I wondered before, how many times had he carried an unconscious Prince to help???

He was the chief enabler, but then, if he wasn't working for Prince, what would he do? What would he have? That would apply to others over the years as well.

precioux said:

Menes said:

Did we notice that the Org. was being accessed from the computer? Also, Mediatakeout, ( wretched site) where the AIDS rumor probably started was accessed right around the time of the overdose I think.

Someone was also using the same computer after his death. Scrubbing?

Yep. Noticed and added to ‘note to self ‘

What if Prince himself was the leak to the Blind article and kept the rumor vague for speculation of aids when it may have been indirectly about his addiction to pills?

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

I can't get it to paste either.

That's the picture of the bag in his trash can in bathroom. Is that right Precioux?

Is there a cross reference on nelcp777 google spreadsheet to verify the pic, since I can’t see it?

I did not cross reference pictures to the spreadsheet. I could, but it will take some time since the semester has started.

I still owe boldi a timeline and I am very late with that.

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Someone by the name of Trevor had confirmed that this had happened a couple of years ago. Did you guys read the in depth conversation Prince had with Judith? He turned the whole thing around and blamed the narcan for his troubles that night. Basically stating that it didnt mix well with what he took , even though admitting that he too had mixed something together. This guy...

I think it was Judith who was stressing the fact that he was quite concerned about the Narcan and kept wanting to know about it. I think he even had KJ ask the Dr about it. Yes he was blaming the Narcan.

Perhaps he wanted to know more about the Narcan for another attempt? There is speculation that the flight may have been a suicide attempt. So, just thinking along those lines.

I think he may have been concerned about how Narcan undermined his carefully-

calibrated opiate ingestion

nelcp777 said:

PennyPurple said:

I think it was Judith who was stressing the fact that he was quite concerned about the Narcan and kept wanting to know about it. I think he even had KJ ask the Dr about it. Yes he was blaming the Narcan.

Perhaps he wanted to know more about the Narcan for another attempt? There is speculation that the flight may have been a suicide attempt. So, just thinking along those lines.

nelcp777 said:

PennyPurple said:

I think it was Judith who was stressing the fact that he was quite concerned about the Narcan and kept wanting to know about it. I think he even had KJ ask the Dr about it. Yes he was blaming the Narcan.

Perhaps he wanted to know more about the Narcan for another attempt? There is speculation that the flight may have been a suicide attempt. So, just thinking along those lines.

Gosh I hope the flight wasn't a suicide attempt. Because that doesn't put Prince in a good light wanting to kill himself in front of 2 friends on a plane. What kind of person would do that and the lasting mental anguish for those 2 people plus the flight attendant and pilots?

PennyPurple said:

peggyon said:

I think he may have been concerned about how Narcan undermined his carefully-

calibrated opiate ingestion

nelcp777 said:

Perhaps he wanted to know more about the Narcan for another attempt? There is speculation that the flight may have been a suicide attempt. So, just thinking along those lines.

Peggy, you have a great point. I am inclined to think that maybe Prince was using fentanyl longer than it is thought. He had several bottles that contained fake pills, there were some in his jewelry box and in a duffle bag.

As for the dialud that was not found, perhaps it was thrown out before the second search warrant was conducted. Bremer was cleaning up PP (not in a sinister way). And we also know that Carver County missed bottles in the initial search.

TrevorAyer said:

My guess is that prince knew his body was shutting down and p+m tour was his version of hospice ... the airplane was not an “attempt” but his life could have ended then just as well as any other time .. he wasn’t able to kick the drugs and his body was wrecked with pain and digestive issues from the pills ... just living the best life he could for as long as he could

Yes, I agree, he was living best he could as long as he could. Hospice is an interesting concept as they also are generous with opiates so patients can be pain and anxiety-free.

P created his own hospice. Hospice is ok with folks taking alot of morphine/fentanyl patches as the end nears as well.

i still think there may have been an untreated illness as well (I have no dog in the race).Only the autopsy will tell or perhaps a trusted insider, one day...

[Edited 8/28/18 13:46pm]

TrevorAyer said:

My guess is that prince knew his body was shutting down and p+m tour was his version of hospice ... the airplane was not an “attempt” but his life could have ended then just as well as any other time .. he wasn’t able to kick the drugs and his body was wrecked with pain and digestive issues from the pills ... just living the best life he could for as long as he could

Yes, Trevor...co-sign.

peggyon said:

TrevorAyer said:

I think he was just done. Not with music, but his body was failing and he knew it. He left on his own terms.

I think he was aging and needed some fast money and the simplist way to do it was the P & M show. Simple, just him, no dancing, jumping, etc.

I'm still undecided on whether he wanted to go to rehab or not, or even knew about it.

PennyPurple said:

I think he was aging and needed some fast money and the simplist way to do it was the P & M show. Simple, just him, no dancing, jumping, etc.

I'm still undecided on whether he wanted to go to rehab or not, or even knew about it.

Penny, if he 'wanted' to go to rehab he knew enough about it from his decades in show biz and his own experiences helping his sister, and the presence, literally miles away, of a famed rehab center...No...he wasn't waiting around to be educated, coached or sold on rehab. He had no intention of ever going.

The notion that there was going to be some sort of 'intervention' the morning after his death is similarly odd: 'intervene' in Prince's life? The uber control freak? Who, in their right mind would have ever thought this would work? It was probably too late at that point bc he was so deep into his addction and denial.

I concede there might have been a few openings for a b---s to the wall intervention over the years before his addiction and general health got worse: M2, for example, could have raised the alarm on her way out the door. She knew, but she traded that opportunity to go public and perhaps save his life for $$$$$ or on the ground in Moline...someone who should have loved him enough to amplify the TMZ reports about Narcan, enlist some show biz heavies and raise an alarm that we are about to lose Prince. Maybe an outpouring of love and concern coud have overwhelmed him but we will never know bc people were too busy covering their own asses. I think Jay Z would have flown to his side to help save his life... or Spike Lee...and maybe Stevie.

Very true Bodhi!

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

I think he was aging and needed some fast money and the simplist way to do it was the P & M show. Simple, just him, no dancing, jumping, etc.

I'm still undecided on whether he wanted to go to rehab or not, or even knew about it.

Penny, if he 'wanted' to go to rehab he knew enough about it from his decades in show biz and his own experiences helping his sister, and the presence, literally miles away, of a famed rehab center...No...he wasn't waiting around to be educated, coached or sold on rehab. He had no intention of ever going.

The notion that there was going to be some sort of 'intervention' the morning after his death is similarly odd: 'intervene' in Prince's life? The uber control freak? Who, in their right mind would have ever thought this would work? It was probably too late at that point bc he was so deep into his addction and denial.

I concede there might have been a few openings for a b---s to the wall intervention over the years before his addiction and general health got worse: M2, for example, could have raised the alarm on her way out the door. She knew, but she traded that opportunity to go public and perhaps save his life for $$$$$ or on the ground in Moline...someone who should have loved him enough to amplify the TMZ reports about Narcan, enlist some show biz heavies and raise an alarm that we are about to lose Prince. Maybe an outpouring of love and concern coud have overwhelmed him but we will never know bc people were too busy covering their own asses. I think Jay Z would have flown to his side to help save his life... or Spike Lee...and maybe Stevie.

PennyPurple said:

Very true Bodhi!

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Penny, if he 'wanted' to go to rehab he knew enough about it from his decades in show biz and his own experiences helping his sister, and the presence, literally miles away, of a famed rehab center...No...he wasn't waiting around to be educated, coached or sold on rehab. He had no intention of ever going.

The notion that there was going to be some sort of 'intervention' the morning after his death is similarly odd: 'intervene' in Prince's life? The uber control freak? Who, in their right mind would have ever thought this would work? It was probably too late at that point bc he was so deep into his addction and denial.

I concede there might have been a few openings for a b---s to the wall intervention over the years before his addiction and general health got worse: M2, for example, could have raised the alarm on her way out the door. She knew, but she traded that opportunity to go public and perhaps save his life for $$$$$ or on the ground in Moline...someone who should have loved him enough to amplify the TMZ reports about Narcan, enlist some show biz heavies and raise an alarm that we are about to lose Prince. Maybe an outpouring of love and concern coud have overwhelmed him but we will never know bc people were too busy covering their own asses. I think Jay Z would have flown to his side to help save his life... or Spike Lee...and maybe Stevie.

Good points Boldhi! I also wonder if the talk Prince and Dr. S had about withtdrawals the night before kind of gave Prince a reality check that this was something he could not do on his own at PP and how grave the addiction was. Dr. S said they did talk about withdrawals after Kirk left the room.

This is in response to post 2163 Re: Menes's comment concerning Hydromorphone

https://www.practicalpainmanagement.com/amp/12930

nelcp777 said:

PennyPurple said:

Very true Bodhi!

Good points Boldhi! I also wonder if the talk Prince and Dr. S had about withtdrawals the night before kind of gave Prince a reality check that this was something he could not do on his own at PP and how grave the addiction was. Dr. S said they did talk about withdrawals after Kirk left the room.

I don't think he would have wanted to show weakness.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

paulludvig said:

Bodhitheblackdog said: So painkillers doesn't make you high, they just take away the pain and allows you to work. Good point!

Yes, that's why the the super frustrating line pushed on the Org. by a former member: 'he couldn't have been high or doing drugs, look how productive he was' was so wrong and destructive to an effort to reveal the truth of his life, art, challenges, weaknesses and demise. He was in pain (physical AND emotional IMO) and drugs enabled him to be 'Prince' for many years past the point where he had lost the story line (and not to derail this thread, but I believe it was around the time and the loss of his beloved Amiir.)...I sure hope they're together at last...Comeback.

[Edited 7/29/18 15:32pm]

Bodhi- That's almost exactly what I think as well, just couldn't quite articulate it like you did here. All pain is not just physical. I hope so too.

can schulenberg reveal in detail the conversation he and P rince had now that Prince has passed .That would be interesting to hear

80tomato said:

can schulenberg reveal in detail the conversation he and P rince had now that Prince has passed .That would be interesting to hear

I don't think so, patient-doctor confidentiality

peggyon said:

80tomato said:

can schulenberg reveal in detail the conversation he and P rince had now that Prince has passed .That would be interesting to hear

I don't think so, patient-doctor confidentiality

Even in court cases?