PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Yea, not sure about what was found and by whom in the reports. But who is taking out the trash? Strangers had access to the trash to? I didn't mean to say it was his, but I was leading into how much he would have been doing around the house. I would think that domestic help would be doing that.

If Prince drove to "pick up" , then it stand as is...local. That would mean that he certainly exercised the poorest option in concealing his usage , and rather, exposed himself to one the most common ways of getting busted with illicit substances/paraphernalia


Well if the pills were all consistent in composition, and that he was taking these same pills prior to his death, there is no way he took one pill. He would have been dead way before that date. I certainly think he was taking these pills before.

So it wasn't just a bad batch of pills? Custom made? Did they ever release how much was in each pill?

I still don't want to think it was suicide.

I really do not know, but I get the sense he was done. He was dreadfully thin and I still think he may have been ill as well. He probably felt so sick, weak and perhaps ashamed of being found out (re: drug addiction). He also had that out-of-body experience in Moline that may have taken the fear of death away somewhat as he had a "trial run".

He really could not tour much longer. He likely did not want to waste away.

I am thinking he may have said, "enough".

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

So it wasn't just a bad batch of pills? Custom made? Did they ever release how much was in each pill?

I still don't want to think it was suicide.

Here's the thing, if it was a bad batch of pills , and we agree that he was feeding from the same batch ( by all accounts of what was found) don't we think he should have been dead way before that day? I mean, how lucky is this guy? What are the chances? They were a lot of pills in the batches.

I thnk we have to determine why the pills were created in the first place. Why are the pills such a "new" makeup of substances and not able to be found anywhere else prior to his death?

Why would a person who had such a life changing event choose to ingest anything resembling what caused the overdose previously, decide to partake in the same action within a short period of time? The short answer is addiction, but the real answer lies somewhere else.

To your statement...why do you not want to think it was susicide? Do you think he was aware of what he took and how much he took prior to going unconscious?

Because I hate suicide and it's aftermath.

I just don't know.

In California, where I live, a terminally ill person can be prescribed a "kill" pill by their MD (2 MD's need to make the decision) to take if the suffering becomes too much. The only caveat is, they have to be lucid and administer it themselves. It is another option.

This is sort of how I view Prince's decision. He did seem very ill to me. I think it was a dignified decision.

[Edited 8/23/18 18:55pm]

peggyon said:

PennyPurple said:

So it wasn't just a bad batch of pills? Custom made? Did they ever release how much was in each pill?

I still don't want to think it was suicide.

I really do not know, but I get the sense he was done. He was dreadfully thin and I still think he may have been ill as well. He probably felt so sick, weak and perhaps ashamed of being found out (re: drug addiction). He also had that out-of-body experience in Moline that may have taken the fear of death away somewhat as he had a "trial run".

He really could not tour much longer. He likely did not want to waste away.

I am thinking he may have said, "enough".

Yes, we who believe it was suicide, state so for the reasons Peggy has stated. By all accounts , this was not something he took seriously. At least not by any standard that I am aware of.

It is bizarre at times because rehab could have been something that would have eventually normalize him. There is just way too much here that screams " I don't care anymore". I mean, that was a shit load of pills! It was like a mini pharmacy.

I don't think he had any intention of quitting. People forget that addicts , when habituated, enjoy getting high, regardless of the repercussions. The brain has been rewired to think that way. I suspect Prince enjoyed it, found it to be comforting and was ok with going out doing it. It's no different than that of a diabetic who has developed a physiological craving for sugar over years. Even with two legs amputated, they would rather have a dozen dunkin donuts for comfort.

Menes said:

peggyon said:

I really do not know, but I get the sense he was done. He was dreadfully thin and I still think he may have been ill as well. He probably felt so sick, weak and perhaps ashamed of being found out (re: drug addiction). He also had that out-of-body experience in Moline that may have taken the fear of death away somewhat as he had a "trial run".

He really could not tour much longer. He likely did not want to waste away.

I am thinking he may have said, "enough".

Yes, we who believe it was suicide, state so for the reasons Peggy has stated. By all accounts , this was not something he took seriously. At least not by any standard that I am aware of.

It is bizarre at times because rehab could have been something that would have eventually normalize him. There is just way too much here that screams " I don't care anymore". I mean, that was a shit load of pills! It was like a mini pharmacy.

I don't think he had any intention of quitting. People forget that addicts , when habituated, enjoy getting high, regardless of the repercussions. The brain has been rewired to think that way. I suspect Prince enjoyed it, found it to be comforting and was ok with going out doing it. It's no different than that of a diabetic who has developed a physiological craving for sugar over years. Even with two legs amputated, they would rather have a dozen dunkin donuts for comfort.

This is a critically important and mostly overlooked observation. I know an addict who nearly killed himself several times, had a psychotic break and three in-patient rehabs and when confronted with the urgency/necessity of getting sober to literally save his life he still struggled to take that path because "I was having a good time." WTF! Addiction is a BRAIN DISEASE.

Menes said:

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

Good Points Menes & Welcome Back!

Why do you think he went way out of his comfort zone, this time? After all these years, why this time?

Hello Penny darling!

Well , Let's look at sourcing via process of elimination.

1. He does not drive. There's no way he would make a "run" to pick anything up.

2. Bodyguards, drivers, friends, or the "help" ,are not people a person like Prince would entrust with such an illicit task. This would amount to a tremendous amount of blackmail .

3. Receiving anything in the mail in such quantity ( @ PP) is equal to a dealer walking up to the front door and delivering it. No chance of that happening.

4. Placing on-line orders for off label substances requires a degree of setting up with a digital footprint when dabbling into dark web regions . From my recollection, he had someone else set up email accounts for him ( generally) so I don't think he would have gone to such extensive measures to find out how this works. Then there is payment , delivery, and receipt of goods. Way too much exposure IMO.

5. Visitors, (strange and known), would have been placed at PP within that time period and would have been identified by one of the members. If I'm not mistaken someone was always on site albeit in different areas.

6. Local contact- This is where I believe the hub is.

a. This has to be someone who is capable of accessing off label /illicit product in quantity.

b.This is a person that knew this particular "client" (Prince).

c.This is a person that was known by Prince.

d.This is a person that would have had to have access to Prince in some way in order to get him the product that kept fueling his addiction.

e. If the person is not meeting Prince in said locations, there must be a way for him to get it to Prince. There has to be a gatekeeper. It is not being delivered by stork or pigeon. The gatekeeper may have not have even known what was being picked up or delivered. However, it still remains that it had to be someone that is known by Prince, has access to Prince, and , has access to the "dealer".

f. The unique combination of chemical signature/compounds of the pill(s) tested ,indicates that no such pill was in circulation prior to Prince's death> see DEA database. Therefore, this batch is not only unique , but also a rather strange thing that none of it has showed up as a combination drug of choice on the streets.

g. Now , this should blow the gasket right off. Unawares to those who were screaming bloody murder, the information provided by the DEA ( unique chemical makeup of the pills) indicates that this was not an ordinary batch of "pills". This was not a corner pickup. There is something rather beneficial about the chemical makeup , yet, very sinister. It has the fingerprint of a conspiracy of some sort. But then , there is a bit of science that gives credence to the composition of the pill itself.

*If it wasn't so unique, it would be in the general public. Think of it as off label.

Hi! Just to clarify I don't know how the pills arrived to him but your first point: "He does not drive" it's not true, he was driving a lot and most of the time alone! I saw him multiple time driving alone during the years, he used his own car ( the fancy ones, BMW- Prowler ) and he used cars he owned trough PP property. More he used different cars ( the one you don't expect ) driving himself alone and he was driving around Minneapolis area. I spent months in Chanhassen during the years, many years and almost everytime I have seen him driving alone during the day and the night time

pupa1 said:

Menes said:

Hello Penny darling!

Well , Let's look at sourcing via process of elimination.

1. He does not drive. There's no way he would make a "run" to pick anything up.

2. Bodyguards, drivers, friends, or the "help" ,are not people a person like Prince would entrust with such an illicit task. This would amount to a tremendous amount of blackmail .

3. Receiving anything in the mail in such quantity ( @ PP) is equal to a dealer walking up to the front door and delivering it. No chance of that happening.

4. Placing on-line orders for off label substances requires a degree of setting up with a digital footprint when dabbling into dark web regions . From my recollection, he had someone else set up email accounts for him ( generally) so I don't think he would have gone to such extensive measures to find out how this works. Then there is payment , delivery, and receipt of goods. Way too much exposure IMO.

5. Visitors, (strange and known), would have been placed at PP within that time period and would have been identified by one of the members. If I'm not mistaken someone was always on site albeit in different areas.

6. Local contact- This is where I believe the hub is.

a. This has to be someone who is capable of accessing off label /illicit product in quantity.

b.This is a person that knew this particular "client" (Prince).

c.This is a person that was known by Prince.

d.This is a person that would have had to have access to Prince in some way in order to get him the product that kept fueling his addiction.

e. If the person is not meeting Prince in said locations, there must be a way for him to get it to Prince. There has to be a gatekeeper. It is not being delivered by stork or pigeon. The gatekeeper may have not have even known what was being picked up or delivered. However, it still remains that it had to be someone that is known by Prince, has access to Prince, and , has access to the "dealer".

f. The unique combination of chemical signature/compounds of the pill(s) tested ,indicates that no such pill was in circulation prior to Prince's death> see DEA database. Therefore, this batch is not only unique , but also a rather strange thing that none of it has showed up as a combination drug of choice on the streets.

g. Now , this should blow the gasket right off. Unawares to those who were screaming bloody murder, the information provided by the DEA ( unique chemical makeup of the pills) indicates that this was not an ordinary batch of "pills". This was not a corner pickup. There is something rather beneficial about the chemical makeup , yet, very sinister. It has the fingerprint of a conspiracy of some sort. But then , there is a bit of science that gives credence to the composition of the pill itself.

*If it wasn't so unique, it would be in the general public. Think of it as off label.

Hi! Just to clarify I don't know how the pills arrived to him but your first point: "He does not drive" it's not true, he was driving a lot and most of the time alone! I saw him multiple time driving alone during the years, he used his own car ( the fancy ones, BMW- Prowler ) and he used cars he owned trough PP property. More he used different cars ( the one you don't expect ) driving himself alone and he was driving around Minneapolis area. I spent months in Chanhassen during the years, many years and almost everytime I have seen him driving alone during the day and the night time

Yes he did drive, often driving around just for the sake of it.

Speaking of driving - does anyone happen to know anything about his crash with the Thunderbird? I think it was in Alex Hahn's or Ronin Ro's book. That he came out of it without any bruises but that he had totalled the car. Now when all the files were released I thought I saw the t-bird in the photos and it didn't look damaged to me but who knows.

Does anyone have info on that? IIRC it read that he never talked about the incident after and I was wondering if this stunt might have come from the same notion as the wine & pills incident.

CatB said:

pupa1 said:

Hi! Just to clarify I don't know how the pills arrived to him but your first point: "He does not drive" it's not true, he was driving a lot and most of the time alone! I saw him multiple time driving alone during the years, he used his own car ( the fancy ones, BMW- Prowler ) and he used cars he owned trough PP property. More he used different cars ( the one you don't expect ) driving himself alone and he was driving around Minneapolis area. I spent months in Chanhassen during the years, many years and almost everytime I have seen him driving alone during the day and the night time

Yes he did drive, often driving around just for the sake of it.

Speaking of driving - does anyone happen to know anything about his crash with the Thunderbird? I think it was in Alex Hahn's or Ronin Ro's book. That he came out of it without any bruises but that he had totalled the car. Now when all the files were released I thought I saw the t-bird in the photos and it didn't look damaged to me but who knows.

Does anyone have info on that? IIRC it read that he never talked about the incident after and I was wondering if this stunt might have come from the same notion as the wine & pills incident.

Ok, so he drove...right off the cliff.

CatB said:

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

Good Points Menes & Welcome Back!

Why do you think he went way out of his comfort zone, this time? After all these years, why this time?

Hello Penny darling!

Well , Let's look at sourcing via process of elimination.

1. He does not drive. There's no way he would make a "run" to pick anything up.

2. Bodyguards, drivers, friends, or the "help" ,are not people a person like Prince would entrust with such an illicit task. This would amount to a tremendous amount of blackmail .

3. Receiving anything in the mail in such quantity ( @ PP) is equal to a dealer walking up to the front door and delivering it. No chance of that happening.

4. Placing on-line orders for off label substances requires a degree of setting up with a digital footprint when dabbling into dark web regions . From my recollection, he had someone else set up email accounts for him ( generally) so I don't think he would have gone to such extensive measures to find out how this works. Then there is payment , delivery, and receipt of goods. Way too much exposure IMO.

5. Visitors, (strange and known), would have been placed at PP within that time period and would have been identified by one of the members. If I'm not mistaken someone was always on site albeit in different areas.

6. Local contact- This is where I believe the hub is.

a. This has to be someone who is capable of accessing off label /illicit product in quantity.

b.This is a person that knew this particular "client" (Prince).

c.This is a person that was known by Prince.

d.This is a person that would have had to have access to Prince in some way in order to get him the product that kept fueling his addiction.

e. If the person is not meeting Prince in said locations, there must be a way for him to get it to Prince. There has to be a gatekeeper. It is not being delivered by stork or pigeon. The gatekeeper may have not have even known what was being picked up or delivered. However, it still remains that it had to be someone that is known by Prince, has access to Prince, and , has access to the "dealer".

f. The unique combination of chemical signature/compounds of the pill(s) tested ,indicates that no such pill was in circulation prior to Prince's death> see DEA database. Therefore, this batch is not only unique , but also a rather strange thing that none of it has showed up as a combination drug of choice on the streets.

g. Now , this should blow the gasket right off. Unawares to those who were screaming bloody murder, the information provided by the DEA ( unique chemical makeup of the pills) indicates that this was not an ordinary batch of "pills". This was not a corner pickup. There is something rather beneficial about the chemical makeup , yet, very sinister. It has the fingerprint of a conspiracy of some sort. But then , there is a bit of science that gives credence to the composition of the pill itself.

*If it wasn't so unique, it would be in the general public. Think of it as off label.

e.- last concert in Atlanta, there was a guy who visited P in his dressing room after the show, he was from Elecrtric Fetus....who has never been investigated/questioned. That entire scenario makes NO sense, unless dude was there for a REASON

*- as in 'off label' kill pill used in executions in which fentanyl is currently being used

[Edited 8/24/18 12:30pm]

Good, glad they are going after the Dr. now.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/family-late-musician-prince-files-suit-doctor/story?id=57371412&__twitter_impression=true

The family of the late musician Prince, who died of a fentanyl overdose in 2016, is suing a doctor who the family says failed to treat his addiction and provided him with narcotics without a proper prescription, ABC News has learned.

The lawsuit, which was filed in Minnesota district court Friday morning, alleges that Dr. Michael T. Schulenberg, the Twin Cities physician who treated Prince twice in the days prior to his death, failed to properly treat the musician as he was suffering from an opioid addiction.

According to Goetz, the family intends to eventually dismiss the previous lawsuit filed in Illinois against the hospital, and proceed with this new action in Minnesota, which could itself eventually be expanded to include other parties.

“The Minnesota lawsuit is against all parties whom we now believe share legal responsibility for Prince's death,” Goetz said. “But it is possible that we will identify and add other parties as we move forward with the case.”

Non penso che fosse un suicidio.

Perché avere così tante pillole?

Coloro che si suicidano hanno una o due pillole per ucciderci, non centinaia.

Sono più incline a pensare che il lotto fosse stato ad Atlanta o pochi giorni prima e questo spiegherebbe perché ha avuto il primo attacco moline.

Perché ha preso di nuovo quelle pillole? Beh, penso di aver già spiegato alcune pagine (se qualcuno lo leggesse).

Come persona che soffre di dolore cronico alla testa, capisco P e ciò che sta attraversando, quindi non lo condanno per quello.

[Edited 8/24/18 13:16pm]

I feel badly for Dr.S....he did not want to be a celebrity doc...did KJ inform him that Prince was getting help from the California rehab in the following day.Prince did this to himself and the family should not ruin other peoples lives

80tomato said:

80tomato said:

I feel badly for Dr.S....he did not want to be a celebrity doc...did KJ inform him that Prince was getting help from the California rehab in the following day.Prince did this to himself and the family should not ruin other peoples lives

It sounds to me like the estate is admitting he had an addiction. Also it sounds like they can add other people to this lawsuit if they feel they participated too.

PennyPurple said:

Good, glad they are going after the Dr. now.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/family-late-musician-prince-files-suit-doctor/story?id=57371412&__twitter_impression=true

The family of the late musician Prince, who died of a fentanyl overdose in 2016, is suing a doctor who the family says failed to treat his addiction and provided him with narcotics without a proper prescription, ABC News has learned.

The lawsuit, which was filed in Minnesota district court Friday morning, alleges that Dr. Michael T. Schulenberg, the Twin Cities physician who treated Prince twice in the days prior to his death, failed to properly treat the musician as he was suffering from an opioid addiction.

According to Goetz, the family intends to eventually dismiss the previous lawsuit filed in Illinois against the hospital, and proceed with this new action in Minnesota, which could itself eventually be expanded to include other parties.

“The Minnesota lawsuit is against all parties whom we now believe share legal responsibility for Prince's death,” Goetz said. “But it is possible that we will identify and add other parties as we move forward with the case.”

Good news! Thanks for sharing Penny

Strawberrylova123 said:

80tomato said:

I feel badly for Dr.S....he did not want to be a celebrity doc...did KJ inform him that Prince was getting help from the California rehab in the following day.Prince did this to himself and the family should not ruin other peoples lives

No. The. Dr could've said no when prince asked to put kirks name on those bottles. As a dr he knows that its against HIPPAA law to do this. [Edited 8/24/18 13:49pm]

IIRC Kirk asked for some percocet for a bad back ? and it was in Kirks name but the implication was that they were really for Prince .Kirk also got a prescription for percs from his dentist for pain from a cracked tooth , which the dentist said he never got fixed by her.

I cant recall if P actually used these prescriptions.

Aside from the presription debacle , for which Dr.S was fined and if he was told that Prince was getting help in the following days , it all seems like a "witch hunt"

Maybe my Canadian roots are showing...

precioux said:

Menes said:

Hello Penny darling!

Well , Let's look at sourcing via process of elimination.

1. He does not drive. There's no way he would make a "run" to pick anything up.

2. Bodyguards, drivers, friends, or the "help" ,are not people a person like Prince would entrust with such an illicit task. This would amount to a tremendous amount of blackmail .

3. Receiving anything in the mail in such quantity ( @ PP) is equal to a dealer walking up to the front door and delivering it. No chance of that happening.

4. Placing on-line orders for off label substances requires a degree of setting up with a digital footprint when dabbling into dark web regions . From my recollection, he had someone else set up email accounts for him ( generally) so I don't think he would have gone to such extensive measures to find out how this works. Then there is payment , delivery, and receipt of goods. Way too much exposure IMO.

5. Visitors, (strange and known), would have been placed at PP within that time period and would have been identified by one of the members. If I'm not mistaken someone was always on site albeit in different areas.

6. Local contact- This is where I believe the hub is.

a. This has to be someone who is capable of accessing off label /illicit product in quantity.

b.This is a person that knew this particular "client" (Prince).

c.This is a person that was known by Prince.

d.This is a person that would have had to have access to Prince in some way in order to get him the product that kept fueling his addiction.

e. If the person is not meeting Prince in said locations, there must be a way for him to get it to Prince. There has to be a gatekeeper. It is not being delivered by stork or pigeon. The gatekeeper may have not have even known what was being picked up or delivered. However, it still remains that it had to be someone that is known by Prince, has access to Prince, and , has access to the "dealer".

f. The unique combination of chemical signature/compounds of the pill(s) tested ,indicates that no such pill was in circulation prior to Prince's death> see DEA database. Therefore, this batch is not only unique , but also a rather strange thing that none of it has showed up as a combination drug of choice on the streets.

g. Now , this should blow the gasket right off. Unawares to those who were screaming bloody murder, the information provided by the DEA ( unique chemical makeup of the pills) indicates that this was not an ordinary batch of "pills". This was not a corner pickup. There is something rather beneficial about the chemical makeup , yet, very sinister. It has the fingerprint of a conspiracy of some sort. But then , there is a bit of science that gives credence to the composition of the pill itself.

*If it wasn't so unique, it would be in the general public. Think of it as off label.

e.- last concert in Atlanta, there was a guy who visited P in his dressing room after the show, he was from Elecrtric Fetus....who has never been investigated/questioned. That entire scenario makes NO sense, unless dude was there for a REASON

*- as in 'off label' kill pill used in executions in which fentanyl is currently being used

[Edited 8/24/18 12:30pm]

A guy from Electric fetus in Minn. visited Prince while he was in the dressing room @ Fox Theatre Atlanta? Prince was in and out of there real fast since there was no after show. I always thought whatever he had ,he brought with him . Wasn't something found in the traveling luggage to support what was found at PP?

Menes said:

80tomato said:

Good work Menes & Precioux!

precioux said:

Menes said:

A guy from Electric fetus in Minn. visited Prince while he was in the dressing room @ Fox Theatre Atlanta? Prince was in and out of there real fast since there was no after show. I always thought whatever he had ,he brought with him . Wasn't something found in the traveling luggage to support what was found at PP?

Yes, from Minnie-(EF) that night- the only ones who visited were Ceelo and this guy-separately. It’s in The investigative reports. Exactly-found in his luggage in Moline-after the concert. This guy was never even questioned. Why was he there? If he was so tight with him, why not travel to the concert with him...too odd to be a coincidence ETA- several noticed Princes contrast in demeanor before and after the concert. Also, when Prince was asked ‘where did you get this?(in Moline hospital by staff)’ ..his reply was ‘someone gave it to me to relax’ [Edited 8/24/18 15:33pm]

Yes , I do remember the "altered state " comments re: before and after the show.

I do believe this is very much a local connect and am no longer searching outside of that range.

Now, here is the thing, didn't KJ place a call to Dr. Schulenberg for something while he was with Prince in Atlanta at the show? I don't remember the details but if Prince was already self- medicating, why is KJ placing a call to the doctor for something . Me thinks it was for the oxy? Does that mean that Prince made him do that to through KJ off the scent? Did KJ make this decision on his own? Thoughts , anyone?

Menes said:

precioux said:

Menes said: Yes, from Minnie-(EF) that night- the only ones who visited were Ceelo and this guy-separately. It’s in The investigative reports. Exactly-found in his luggage in Moline-after the concert. This guy was never even questioned. Why was he there? If he was so tight with him, why not travel to the concert with him...too odd to be a coincidence ETA- several noticed Princes contrast in demeanor before and after the concert. Also, when Prince was asked ‘where did you get this?(in Moline hospital by staff)’ ..his reply was ‘someone gave it to me to relax’ [Edited 8/24/18 15:33pm]

Yes , I do remember the "altered state " comments re: before and after the show.

I do believe this is very much a local connect and am no longer searching outside of that range.

Now, here is the thing, didn't KJ place a call to Dr. Schulenberg for something while he was with Prince in Atlanta at the show? I don't remember the details but if Prince was already self- medicating, why is KJ placing a call to the doctor for something . Me thinks it was for the oxy? Does that mean that Prince made him do that to through KJ off the scent? Did KJ make this decision on his own? Thoughts , anyone?

Menes, you're cookin'!

pupa1 said:

80tomato said:

mnfriend said:

precioux said:

mnfriend said:

80tomato said:

IIRC Kirk asked for some percocet for a bad back ? and it was in Kirks name but the implication was that they were really for Prince .Kirk also got a prescription for percs from his dentist for pain from a cracked tooth , which the dentist said he never got fixed by her.

I cant recall if P actually used these prescriptions.

Aside from the presription debacle , for which Dr.S was fined and if he was told that Prince was getting help in the following days , it all seems like a "witch hunt"

Maybe my Canadian roots are showing...

I do not understand. The ‘family’ is seeking $50,000 from Dr. Schul. With 1 or 2 prescriptions written only?? With short durations? Isn’t the MN database squeaky clean on any class 2 scripts for Prince? Yes, private no record Prince How you gonna pin getting him addicted on that? And $50k ? WTF

I am surprised but happy the hospital is off the hook.

The Dentist prescribed Tylenol #3. I think they were filled but not taken. They would have been too weak for Prince and would have left a paper trail.

This is a witch hunt by the "family". Welcome to the American tort system. Though it is very unfair to Dr. S, $50,000. is a small amount and should be covered by his malpractice insurance.

He was given a minor "slap on the hand" already.

[Edited 8/24/18 17:52pm]

If others are to be investigated again, I think Kirk and Phaedra should be at the top of the list