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Reply #2100 posted 08/25/18 1:58pm

precioux

Krystalkisses said:

precioux said:




Yes, Prince was a ‘thinker’ and if it had to be one or the other, with his ego- he would rather his fans believe it was accidental than that he ‘gave up’. I don’t view it as ‘gave up’, rather-true to Prince behavior-he did things his way and controlled the outcome...for his own personal reasons. It doesn’t diminish my respect for him as a human or an artist, and I truly think that is what his fear was...what his fans would think
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Wasn't he worried about what God would think?



Short answer yes. I may orgnote you with the long answer as I don’t want to derail and turn this into a religious issue
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Reply #2101 posted 08/25/18 2:04pm

Krystalkisses

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precioux said:

Krystalkisses said:



Wasn't he worried about what God would think?



Short answer yes. I may orgnote you with the long answer as I don’t want to derail and turn this into a religious issue


Please.
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Reply #2102 posted 08/25/18 2:04pm

precioux

Menes said:



PennyPurple said:




Menes said:



Prince committed suicide and I certainly believe it was assisted suicide. I am willing to push all my chips to the center of the table with two Alan Alda's.

As of 1-25-17, though Officer Voller stated that he did not have any way to tack the number of fentanyl deaths in MInnesota over the past year( inssert bullshit here),he was able to say that they have not have any other fentanyl deaths in pill form OTHER THAN PRINCE OR HE WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED. Officer Voller stated that most of the fentanyl deaths occurring in Minnesota, are in POWDER FORM AND BEEN MIXED WITH HEROIN . So ummm, not lidocaine? Some of you kill me with the lidocaine in fentanyl bulking bullshit. Put a lid on it. He then went off on a tangent about pill press operations in California.. Hahaha , it was right under your nose buddy. He obviously didn't read about all of the clandestine pill press operations IN MINNESOTA right around 2015. Penny, you know the links I have sent.


As of July 7th, 2017,the DEA had been unable to locate a similar pill composition although there had been an influx/surge in synthetic laced fentanyl pills since his death. They claimed that it was not surprising, but hey , it's 2018 and there is still no evidence to support that these pills have showed up on the market/streets.

Prince bought these and they were specifically tailored for him. This is a not your street chemist at work here. I believe this is why he was able to survive that long while on them. If taken as directed , he would still be here. He chose not to ( and for good reason).







Two DNA mixtures on bayer and aleve bottle ; one major male DNA on bayer and aleve bottle identified as Prince.



Yes, you have sent the links.


So locally made and custom made.



I am deadly focused on three things . Source/connection, method of delivery/pickup, composition.

Source/connection- This has to be three fold. Prince, a doctor, a chemist/lab. Prince is very private, cautious , non-trusting and overly paranoid. You would have to gain his trust over time by doing his bidding without presenting a challenge or appearing to be confrontational. He needs a yes man/woman. This person has to have medical credentials. This person understands, and is sympathetic to "end of life care". This person has treated Prince and is familiar with his needs. Illegal as it may be in many states, they 'assist' all the time.

They were numerous doctors flown in from Minnesota by Prince at various times to his shows. They were also some that were provided by the venue upon request. What a joy that must have been to eat at the masters table( a live concert) where you are providing the ultimate "care" to keep the show going. It has been mentioned time and time again in the reports. No one ever knew their names.

The doctor is connected to a chemist or a lab that can fabricate a unique chemical signature to provide long term relief . These pills present a synergistic relationship between fentanyl and lidocaine as in: down/up regulation. These pills (legal or illegal), and the combination therein, are not in circulation to date.The reason you won't find these pills or literature quite readily available is because it is still rather experimental when solidified in pill form. You would have to have a very defined and narrow purpose: To stem the pain of opioid depletion in one receptor ( which would cause intense pain from withdrawal) by supplementing it with another substance to taper off the withdrawal symptom.

The idea that any drug dealer would want that for his client is preposterous and makes no business sense. Furthermore, no one is swallowing raw lidocaine pills for kicks. You would know the difference between that and something like fentanyl in a matter of minutes . You would rather turn the feds on to your dealer for misrepresenting product. But armed with enough scientific information ,you can combine raw lidocaine to a single hydrocodone pill and it would have the same effect as if you had it in combination form in the fentanyl pill. In essence, measuring the dosage with singular pills. Someone has to figure all of that out. Do we think Prince did that? I don't.

There are way too many statements ( concerning his state of mind), too many conversations about his frail appearance, his erratic mood swings, etc. and lastly, a healthy dose of pills that by all accounts , presents a willingness to continue to use, which convinced me that he had lost hope and found a dignified way out. It wasn't easy to say that. I use the word suicide , and in doing so, aroused the perception of the very act. When your family or you yourself decide that enough is enough, the only difference one may experience is that you may not do it yourself. Other than that, same result.

They should have pounded the pavement for those "doctors". They exist.

[Edited 8/25/18 12:42pm]




I will reply to this went I get back- but I’ve done some research on this possible Minnesota Dr- I think he was jailed. The chemist OTOH was not.

I truly believe there was a chemist involved, if not ‘on site’ at PP with his trust issues...and my point behind that is the powdery substance that was photographed and never divulged- but then if it was the local EF dude ‘talking business’ at the last concert, the point would be moot
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Reply #2103 posted 08/25/18 2:07pm

Bodhitheblackd
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Menes said:

Krystalkisses said:

Menes said: What was that good reason?

He was tired of being "Prince". It was what everybody wanted. There's a mental limit to being a million things when you don't identify anymore.

He could have been mega-talented musical genius much- loved by millions Prince until he died of a ripe old age.BUT, IMO, he got lost behind being gorgeous hyper-sexual Prince and that was not easily sustainable at the age he was. Reminds me of the drug dealer mantra: Don't Get High On Your Own Supply.I think he bought into the 'image' he created and when he wanted to get out for some fresh air he found the doors were locked.

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Reply #2104 posted 08/25/18 3:21pm

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If he killed himself and the family knows it, why are they suing the Dr and Walgreens?

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Reply #2105 posted 08/25/18 3:36pm

precioux

PennyPurple said:

If he killed himself and the family knows it, why are they suing the Dr and Walgreens?




The family may/may not know. Going off of the mirrored response of Tyka and JH (did what he came to do),I would think so.



That said- ‘technically’ the ME ruled it accidental- all bets are off and I don’t care what anyone says, Tyka is $ grubbing and looking for ANY payout. They keep it up and the truth will prevail. I’m all for finding who gave this to him, but I think it will all be in vain.
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Reply #2106 posted 08/25/18 3:48pm

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PennyPurple said:

If he killed himself and the family knows it, why are they suing the Dr and Walgreens?

Because they're greedy and because they 'can'...remember, streaming does not bring in the revenue that touring does (or that album sales did back in the day)....and the estate has been burning through $$$ with no end in sight.They want 'theirs' and they want it sooner rather than later.

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Reply #2107 posted 08/25/18 4:35pm

Ellie77

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Menes said:



precioux said:


Got it!!! Zip file#5, statement transcripts (Judith Hill) Page 149 JH- ok, there’s another thing, there was before the first show, or before...after the first show when he was more depressed talking about all those things there was a guy from Electric Fetus which is a small independent um record shop and he had one of the um younger guys ah that owns it come out and...and sit there and talk about business things like we want to do this and that with the store, so that was it. (This was after Ceelo and Janelle Monáe visited him shortly prior-pull it up to read full interview) ****A guy from 15 miles away is going to fly out to your concert to ‘talk business ‘....BULLSHIT! ETA- prince himself said that (in Moline hospital) that ‘he knew his body ‘ and was confused as to the state he wound up in and said it was from ‘mixing the two’...the prescribed (KJ Rx) Percocet and the illicit pills he just got? Remember he said to a staff member of the hospital ‘someone gave them to me to relax’...if he was referring to the pills KJ gave him, with KJ standing right there, he wouldn’t have said ‘someone’ [Edited 8/25/18 9:30am]

Well, that is interesting.

To follow up on Judith's statements... Prior to any statements being revealed to us by Tyka, Judith had made statements (on 6-16 @1500 hours) that were eerily similar concerning Prince's state of mind. I don't know who was channeling who, but I doubt Tyka had access to the tapes Judith made. This is rather unusual that the two would make statements that to a large degree, coincide with his depression and end of life thoughts.

Judith... ( while on the trip to Atlanta) "Prince talked a lot about the good old days and stated that "oh man, I love sleeping more, maybe it means I've done all I'm supposed to do on this earth". Judith then states that Prince told her after the second show that he thought he was going to fall asleep( this is possibly when he went off stage and ingested a substance).

Judith also stated that it was hard to see Prince in that state. According to Judith, Prince told her that "was the mountain top Atlanta show and now I can go rest". He also commented to her about the summer tour by stating "you're still going to be there if I'm not right'?

The day after the overdose , Judith and Prince talked about the pain pills. Judith said she told Prince "no more pills" to which Prince replied, "then I can't perform" ( this was supposedly because his hands hurt). The more detailed report by detective Nelson is in the reports.

* She also stated that Prince admitted to her and KJ that there was something else in the bayer bottle. When prompted to tell reveal what it was , he didn't answer.



So I went online to search for the "owners" of the E.F. in Minneapolis, His name is Keith Covart, He ended up giving the store to his daughter and her husband, Stephanie and Aaron Meyerring. When I started to dig a little I found a couple interviews that Aaron did saying how sales have increased since P's death, ECT. The last tweet from P was about the E.F., Aaron states how he was one of the last one to seem him, he had come to the store ect... now I'm not trying to start some "theory" here. But... Judith Hill's description from that nite at the concert. The interviews where this man speaks about record sales, seeing him last, being the last tweet??? Just seems off putting.... You would think he would talk about P and his music and impact on our life, state, home town, but focused more on sales?? Hmmmm
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Reply #2108 posted 08/25/18 5:32pm

Menes

Where was the powdery substance found? On the dresser?

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Reply #2109 posted 08/25/18 5:40pm

PennyPurple

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Menes said:

Where was the powdery substance found? On the dresser?

Maybe it could be this picture that was taken in the vault.


Image result for prince cherry and a spoon and powdery substance in vault

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Reply #2110 posted 08/25/18 5:43pm

precioux

Menes said:

Where was the powdery substance found? On the dresser?




There are 2 photos- one where there’s a mound on top of a table, next to a miniature art form (spoon with a cherry)..not sure if that pic was taken in the vault

2nd pic of powdery substance in his trash /personal bathroom.

We poured over nelcp777’s google spreadsheet she so graciously provided and came up with no definitive answer as to what it was or if it had been tested.

ISLIJAG and I wracked our brains as well. Like I said earlier, ISLIJAG’s thought was that maybe the answer lied in the DEA files, but those were released, and unless it was redacted there as well...there is no testing of it. I think one stated. Also, there was a tin foil wrapped spoon in a padlocked freeze that wasn’t tested either
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Reply #2111 posted 08/25/18 5:43pm

Menes

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Where was the powdery substance found? On the dresser?

Maybe it could be this picture that was taken in the vault.


Image result for prince cherry and a spoon and powdery substance in vault

Well, we have a problem here. Im looking at photos and if its the same substance, its not only there. Can you see DSC_0472 JPG 4th zip file I think , On top of a plastic bag.

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Reply #2112 posted 08/25/18 5:44pm

precioux

PennyPurple said:



Menes said:


Where was the powdery substance found? On the dresser?



Maybe it could be this picture that was taken in the vault.



Image result for prince cherry and a spoon and powdery substance in vault





Thanks for post the pic, Penny!! I’m no good at that and you always come to the rescue!!
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Reply #2113 posted 08/25/18 5:46pm

precioux

Menes said:



PennyPurple said:




Menes said:


Where was the powdery substance found? On the dresser?



Maybe it could be this picture that was taken in the vault.



Image result for prince cherry and a spoon and powdery substance in vault



Well, we have a problem here. Im looking at photos and if its the same substance, its not only there. Can you see DSC_0472 JPG 4th zip file I think , On top of a plastic bag.



Can you or Penny post the pic? Can’t find my zip 4
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Reply #2114 posted 08/25/18 5:47pm

precioux

Menes said:



PennyPurple said:




Menes said:


Where was the powdery substance found? On the dresser?



Maybe it could be this picture that was taken in the vault.



Image result for prince cherry and a spoon and powdery substance in vault



Well, we have a problem here. Im looking at photos and if its the same substance, its not only there. Can you see DSC_0472 JPG 4th zip file I think , On top of a plastic bag.




Did you read my reply 2 posts up?
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Reply #2115 posted 08/25/18 5:49pm

Menes

precioux said:

Menes said:

Well, we have a problem here. Im looking at photos and if its the same substance, its not only there. Can you see DSC_0472 JPG 4th zip file I think , On top of a plastic bag.

Did you read my reply 2 posts up?

Yes, I did. Tried to post it but it wont show up. I'm lookkng at it right now.

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Reply #2116 posted 08/25/18 5:50pm

SkipperLove

I don't know what the white stuff is but it looks wet and the cherry/spoon thing is a replica of a famous art structure that is also an icon on the Tribune's arts page.. Sorry to burst folk's bubble, but the white stuff is probably just meant to be snow..thus, the lack of documentation other than a picture that was taken before the stuff was tested or looked at closer.

minneapolis-sculpture.jpg

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Where was the powdery substance found? On the dresser?

Maybe it could be this picture that was taken in the vault.


0419-prince-desk-powder-tmz-wm-5.jpg

[Edited 8/25/18 17:51pm]

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Reply #2117 posted 08/25/18 5:51pm

Menes

SkipperLove said:

I don't know what the white stuff is but it looks wet and the cherry/spoon thing is a replica of a famous art structure that is also on the Tribune's arts page.. Sorry to burst folk's bubble, but the white stuff is probably just meant to be slow..thus, the lack of documentation other than a picture that was taken before the stuff was tested or looked at closer.

Image result for minneapolis spoon and cherry

PennyPurple said:

Maybe it could be this picture that was taken in the vault.


Image result for prince cherry and a spoon and powdery substance in vault

Um, no.

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Reply #2118 posted 08/25/18 5:54pm

Menes

Menes said:

SkipperLove said:

I don't know what the white stuff is but it looks wet and the cherry/spoon thing is a replica of a famous art structure that is also on the Tribune's arts page.. Sorry to burst folk's bubble, but the white stuff is probably just meant to be slow..thus, the lack of documentation other than a picture that was taken before the stuff was tested or looked at closer.

Image result for minneapolis spoon and cherry

Um, no.

Skip , if you have the zip, you would see , Its zip 4 image DSC _0471.jpg ( in a white plastic bag).

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Reply #2119 posted 08/25/18 5:54pm

SkipperLove

So the cherry/spoon art structure doesn't exist and sometimes sit on a bed on snow? And the investigative reports go into full detail of what that wet slushy looking stuff is?? I am just imagining all that. Are you trying to say Prince wasted a bunch of cocaine or crushed pills, got the substance wet and used it in such a matter that resembles a large art structure in Minneapolis.

Menes said:

SkipperLove said:

I don't know what the white stuff is but it looks wet and the cherry/spoon thing is a replica of a famous art structure that is also on the Tribune's arts page.. Sorry to burst folk's bubble, but the white stuff is probably just meant to be slow..thus, the lack of documentation other than a picture that was taken before the stuff was tested or looked at closer.

Image result for minneapolis spoon and cherry

Um, no.

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Reply #2120 posted 08/25/18 5:57pm

Menes

SkipperLove said:

So the cherry/spoon art structure doesn't exist and sometimes sit on a bed on snow? And the investigative reports go into full detail of what that wet slushy looking stuff is?? I am just imagining all that. Are you trying to say Prince wasted a bunch of cocaine or crushed pills, got the substance wet and used it in such a matter that resembles a large art structure in Minneapolis.

Menes said:

Um, no.

What? You're not looking at what I am looking at . If Penny can post it ( I tried) ) , you will understand what I am talking about.

[Edited 8/25/18 17:59pm]

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Reply #2121 posted 08/25/18 6:00pm

precioux

This relates to the form in which every other fentanyl source was found...especially in Minnesota- read back where Menes posted this. I know where Menes is going with this as I myself have questioned it since the get go.



Where is it explained what it is/tested for in the docs?




SkipperLove said:

So the cherry/spoon art structure doesn't exist and sometimes sit on a bed on snow? And the investigative reports go into full detail of what that wet slushy looking stuff is?? I am just imagining all that. Are you trying to say Prince wasted a bunch of cocaine or crushed pills, got the substance wet and used it in such a matter that resembles a large art structure in Minneapolis.




Menes said:




SkipperLove said:


I don't know what the white stuff is but it looks wet and the cherry/spoon thing is a replica of a famous art structure that is also on the Tribune's arts page.. Sorry to burst folk's bubble, but the white stuff is probably just meant to be slow..thus, the lack of documentation other than a picture that was taken before the stuff was tested or looked at closer.


Image result for minneapolis spoon and cherry







Um, no.



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Reply #2122 posted 08/25/18 6:01pm

precioux

Menes said:



SkipperLove said:


So the cherry/spoon art structure doesn't exist and sometimes sit on a bed on snow? And the investigative reports go into full detail of what that wet slushy looking stuff is?? I am just imagining all that. Are you trying to say Prince wasted a bunch of cocaine or crushed pills, got the substance wet and used it in such a matter that resembles a large art structure in Minneapolis.




Menes said:



Um, no.





What? You're not looking at what I am looking at . If Penny can post it ( I tried) ) , you will understand what I am talking about.

[Edited 8/25/18 17:59pm]




What you’re looking at is the 2nd photo I mentioned?? I pulled the info from memory as I don’t have zip 4
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Reply #2123 posted 08/25/18 6:02pm

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Skipper, we KNOW that is a miniature of a landmark. This isn't our 1st Ro DAY O. lol

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Reply #2124 posted 08/25/18 6:03pm

Menes

yeahthat

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Reply #2125 posted 08/25/18 6:05pm

precioux

PennyPurple said:

Skipper, we KNOW that is a miniature of a landmark. This isn't our 1st Ro DAY O. lol



Can you post the pic,Penny?? I’m frustrated that I can’t get to zip 4
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Reply #2126 posted 08/25/18 6:06pm

Menes

PennyPurple said:

Skipper, we KNOW that is a miniature of a landmark. This isn't our 1st Ro DAY O. lol

Ok so how do I Post the pic on here? I tried to drag and drop it, nada. It's not the picture Penny just posted. Its a crushed up substance in a plastic bag. Damn sure 'aint snow. Well, maybe it is... 'snow' .

ITS IN ZIP FILE 4 DSC_0471.JPG

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Reply #2127 posted 08/25/18 6:07pm

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precioux said:

Menes said:

Well, we have a problem here. Im looking at photos and if its the same substance, its not only there. Can you see DSC_0472 JPG 4th zip file I think , On top of a plastic bag.

Can you or Penny post the pic? Can’t find my zip 4

I'll try Menes, normally I don't have any luck trying to post those pics from that file. It might take me a bit.

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Reply #2128 posted 08/25/18 6:10pm

PennyPurple

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Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

Skipper, we KNOW that is a miniature of a landmark. This isn't our 1st Ro DAY O. lol

Ok so how do I Post the pic on here? I tried to drag and drop it, nada. It's not the picture Penny just posted. Its a crushed up substance in a plastic bag. Damn sure 'aint snow. Well, maybe it is... 'snow' .

ITS IN ZIP FILE 4 DSC_0471.JPG

Right click; copy; and just paste here.

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Reply #2129 posted 08/25/18 6:19pm

Menes

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Ok so how do I Post the pic on here? I tried to drag and drop it, nada. It's not the picture Penny just posted. Its a crushed up substance in a plastic bag. Damn sure 'aint snow. Well, maybe it is... 'snow' .

ITS IN ZIP FILE 4 DSC_0471.JPG

Right click; copy; and just paste here.

Nothing. Tried 5 times.

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