not all, some people are pissed and calling him a fraud, kinda understand their point but no, prince you were no fraud, like springsteen said of himself "i'm a phoney but i'm also the realest thing you ever seen"

cloveringold85 said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

What strikes me as very odd is that according to the report, Prince didn't have his own doctor (Schulenberg was Kirk's doctor). Surely someone of his status should have his own physician who knows him inside out? It seems that either he was mistrustful of his details getting out, or more likely, he wasn't taking good enough care of himself. I do believe this probably would have been prevented if he had someone insist they look after him, but that said he also pushed people away and would probably fire someone for contradicting him.

I still can't get over the fact these files and transcripts have been released....it seems so weird that all the 'suspects' can read what others had said about them to the police, what happened to interviewee confidentiality?! How will people react to each other now, knowing what has been said about them by a supposed 'friend' to the police?!

Usually these kind of things are blocked for say 50/70 years until the risk of offence or reprisals has gone. It's intetesting to read of course but it seems somewhat negligent, not to mention tactless.

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I was asking myself that very same question last night; Prince lived in MN his entire life, yet did not have a family doctor??

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Prince's autopsy will remain sealed for 30-years, according to MN Law; however, when there is a criminal/homicide investigation, once the case is closed, the files go on public record. Anyone can look it up and read it's contents.

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You can go online and search numerous cold-cases or homicide investigations, and the information is public knowledge.

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The media or Carver County Sheriff has done nothing wrong by making these files public.

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If the files were locked, then people would be upset and say that they were trying to cover up what happened to Prince, ya know?

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I'm glad the files are open -- because now we can finally know the truth -- after 2-very long years of not knowing much of anything!

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This has taken a lot out of me, personally -- both, mentally and physically, and I'm sure most of us here!! It's been exhausting!! We all have our own personal lives to deal with, but we come here, because we love Prince and he knows he had a Purple Army, who will always love him!!

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

MMJas said:

I think people will start talking. There's plenty of "he said this" and "she said that" in that police report which is now public. People might want to settle the record straight, imo. I'm specifically curious as to what will Tyka say regarding her two years comment. That is if she chooses to say anything at all.

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Is it just me?? I don't think it's a coincidence AT ALL that JH said EXACTLY what came out of Tyka's mouth...JH said "Prince said he did all he came to do..."

I'm calling BS with Tyka. She was not even close to Prince, and probably asked JH what he hadsaid duringthe plane incident. I do NOT think that Prince said this same exact line to his sister 2 years prior. Maybe Tyka's dinosaur whispered it in her ear

I'm calling BS on the both of them because at the time Prince supposedly said it to either of them...neither one of them apparently were phased about it...because they both eventually chose to do absolutely NOTHING about it.

why didn't they give results of that fluid? sounds like vomit but these asshole police who big up themselves to their superiors don't cover everything do they? "then i did this, and that, me me me, i did such a good job" fuck em anyways.

jtfolden said:

OperatingThetan said:

Lovejunky said: It wasn't uncommon for Prince to wear his trousers and tops on backwards. This has been reported by various associates. Prince was found wearing the same clothes he wore to his medical appointment the day before. This clothing is clearly visible on both sets of footage and is documented and itemised in the reports. Unless Prince passed away naked or semi-clothed and Kirk dressed him before he was found by others, he would've been wearing those clothes backwards when the tragedy occured. If, and this is only speculation and rumour, Kirk did dress Prince to preserve his dignity I can only perceive that as an act of love. But I'm highly doubtful he did given the clothing Prince was discovered in was exactly what he was wearing when he was last seen alive. * [Edited 4/23/18 5:18am]

To be blunt, here's why Prince couldn't have been moved; He had vomit in his airway and it was observed that Prince had saliva draining out of his mouth in the elevator. There is also something "wet" on the wall of the elevator next to the control panel. Whatever happened to Prince happened while he was in the elevator. If it had happened in the bedroom or somewhere else there would likely be that kind of evidence there... like on his pillow if it happened in bed.

precioux said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Thanks for reminding me of prizefight precioux.

But prizefight wasnt bullied off off this site...in fact prizefight was a strong person, and could hold their own.

Prizefight told me he/she was leaving because the org wasnt ready to hear the truth.

apparently people are pulling up the threads where prizefight posted, curious whether everyone else will agree with you on "prizefight was not bullied off"....because even though she was strong, she was basically drug the f**k out of here, and knew what she was bringing up would and did cause a sh^i scene. Or maybe she wasn't "bullied", rather reported to the mods by enough people that she was banned for "speaking the truth"?....either way, I still agree with her exiting statement to you when she said "they're not ready for the truth".

banned or deleted their own account. this place has always been like that though.

voph said:

Prince’s murder does not add up. He had prescriptions at home. He went to Walgreens to get a new prescription. Prince did not need to get street drugs because if he wanted he could get it from a Doctor. I believe like many the pills were planted. Why are some of you so willing to believe what you are being told when it’s right there in your face. The investigators are saying Prince thought he was taking a Vicodin but the pill was LACED with Fentanyl. That means someone wanted Prince dead. The case is closed for right now but can be reopened. No one finds it’s strange how Kirk Johnson, Judith Hill, Tyka Nelson, Merune Berke and a few more people that their stories don’t add up. Plus the connections to some of these people like Van Jones and Merune Berke. This stinks and I believe Prince was murdered to get access to his vault music, music catalog and other reasons I will not go into. Sheila E and Mayte Garcia, I see now why Prince kept his distance from them. Money, Greed, lovers scorn, revenge, JEOLOSY, Power. It’s not over. [Edited 4/23/18 12:57pm]

Abigail, you forgot Hillary Clinton and the Chef.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Im looking at the the drug analysis records and these Watson 853's were so inconsistent..

Some only contained hydrocodone.

Some only contained Lidocaine.

Some contained Fentanyl and Lidocaine.

...btw, did anyone decipher what the "blow" was on the table? That's what it looks like, but what is it?

I'm still not sure about Prince not knowing he was taking fentanyl and this whole thing being an accident, though I can understand the police settling for that position. If I read the report correctly (i did read it all but there was a lot to read and I wasn't taking notes) it said one of the bottles (Bayer) the watson 853 was fentanyl and lidocaine; in the other bottle (aleve) the pills were just lidocaine. For one that suggests there was some system for storage happening becuase different drugs were stored in separate botles (though other vitamin bottles had a mixture of hydrocodone and lidocaine pills in them). Junkies love their goodies and in my experience it's one thing they tend to look after. If he had intended to take oxycodone/hydrocodone - which is what the watson 853 signifies, why didn't he just take the one's in the briefcase that Kirk Johnson had obtained from the dr? These were guaranteed to be oxycodone having been obtained through legitimate sources (and testing showed they were hydrocodone). Instead he took the illegal ones - hoping they were oxy/hydrocodone?? Doesn't quite make sense - of course he may not have been thinking straight given withdrawals etc. but it was the Bayer bottle he was carrying and taking his pills from on the plane too, so he clearly had a thing for what was in the Bayer bottle.

Another thing I'd be interested in knowing is the quantity of fentanyl in the Bayer bottle pills. I read they were sent to the DEA lab in Chicago for quantitiative testing to find out how much fentanyl but I haven't come across the results of that test (anyone see that? - I'd be keen to know if anyone has). This might give an indication of how many pills he took to have the levels of fentanyl in his system that he was tested for. His bloodwork at Dr. Schulenberg showed no fentanyl, that was just hours before he passed. So there shouldn't be too many problems working out how many he took on the night of the 20th/morning of the 21st, if we know the consistency of fentanyl in the Bayer pills.

One other point - from the dentist, Dr. Sarah Elizabeth Boo, who wondered why anyone would be gathering up oxycodone etc. from drs, the way Kirk seemed to be doing (he obtained narcotics from Schulenberg and the dentist on the same day) when they had their hands on something far more potent - i.e. the fentanyl. One reason you might is to obtain the bottles with a legal script in someone's name (Kirk's) - that would allow you to carry watson 853 without anyone knowing you were carrying illegal pills, unless they tested them, and even the hospital in Moine's approach to testing was to just read the stamp and check what that meant.

I am convinced Kirk and the other 2 (Phaedra, who seems particularly dodgy, and Meron) were enabling this, hence their lockdown on speaking with the police, and someone deleting emails, and all the rumours of paper shredding. They are full of it, Kirk especially, claiming he didn't know what was going on, after being probably the person closest to him for the longest time, when so many others (e.g. ex-manager) are forthright in saying everybody close knew about the addiction. I wouldn't be surprised if Kirk also dressed and moved the body.

Lot's to ponder for those of us so inclined. Still love the music, wonder about the man. I can forgive the hypocrisy - most great artists used consciousness altering substances to help channel the art trying to get out. It's just a shame he couldn't forgive himself, and be honest with the world because he probably could have got it sorted. Then again, stars all burn out in their own time, and his star definitley gave a lot to a lot of us while it shone.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

precioux said:

Is it just me?? I don't think it's a coincidence AT ALL that JH said EXACTLY what came out of Tyka's mouth...JH said "Prince said he did all he came to do..."

I'm calling BS with Tyka. She was not even close to Prince, and probably asked JH what he hadsaid duringthe plane incident. I do NOT think that Prince said this same exact line to his sister 2 years prior. Maybe Tyka's dinosaur whispered it in her ear

I'm calling BS on the both of them because at the time Prince supposedly said it to either of them...neither one of them apparently were phased about it...because they both eventually chose to do absolutely NOTHING about it.

true dat

..because they "forgot" to test it

PeteSilas said:

why didn't they give results of that fluid? sounds like vomit but these asshole police who big up themselves to their superiors don't cover everything do they? "then i did this, and that, me me me, i did such a good job" fuck em anyways.

jtfolden said:

To be blunt, here's why Prince couldn't have been moved; He had vomit in his airway and it was observed that Prince had saliva draining out of his mouth in the elevator. There is also something "wet" on the wall of the elevator next to the control panel. Whatever happened to Prince happened while he was in the elevator. If it had happened in the bedroom or somewhere else there would likely be that kind of evidence there... like on his pillow if it happened in bed.

precioux said:

..because they "forgot" to test it

PeteSilas said:

why didn't they give results of that fluid? sounds like vomit but these asshole police who big up themselves to their superiors don't cover everything do they? "then i did this, and that, me me me, i did such a good job" fuck em anyways.

yup, and then you have these guys in here who want to say "it was officially blah blah blah".

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

THANK YOU for mentioning prizefight, Precioux...I have saved her posts and recently read them again, and you are SO right...EVERYONE in the 'inner circle' knew...don't forget, she was bullied off this site (LR, are you feeling my wrath?) BECAUSE SHE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH.

Always happens when someone speaks the truth too loudly. That's why these things can go on for so long. And afterwards everyone will tell you that "there were never any signs".

There is not only light, and especially when it came to Prince many didn't want to hear it. They kept killing the messenger. That's why I gave up too.

precioux said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Can someone please share the link of the full investigation i cant find it

Carver County Sheriff's Office link: https://www.co.carver.mn....estigation

precioux said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The urine sample taken by Dr. S showed hyrdrocodone and dilaudid.

? to the highlighted?

Lab orders from 4-20 showed hydrocodone (253 ng/L) and hydromorphone. However, ME tested blood sample for fentanyl. Stated none found.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Im looking at the the drug analysis records and these Watson 853's were so inconsistent..

Some only contained hydrocodone.

Some only contained Lidocaine.

Some contained Fentanyl and Lidocaine.

Perhaps the documents clarify - I haven't yet read them all - but it would be interesting to know if each distinct 'type' of Watson 853 was stored in a separate bottle / space, so for example (and these are just hypotheticals):
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All Watson 853s containing only hydrcodone kept in the Bayer bottle;
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All Watson 853s containing Fentanyl kept in the jewellery box.

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Or were they completely muddled-up, thereby a Russian Roulette type affair every time he took one.

I said months ago that Tyka is full of shit. I never ever believed one word. And now we have the evidence that she was lying just to get attention for her book. I'm gonna buy it just to burn it make a video of it and post it on her Twitter or FB Page. I'm so outraged about all of the lies that these people have told. They never loved Prince.

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CatB said:

Always happens when someone speaks the truth too loudly. That's why these things can go on for so long. And afterwards everyone will tell you that "there were never any signs".

There is not only light, and especially when it came to Prince many didn't want to hear it. They kept killing the messenger. That's why I gave up too.

Hey CatB, I've been worried about you! Are you ok???

Sincerely,

~Precioux

bondno9 said:

precioux said:

? to the highlighted?

Lab orders from 4-20 showed hydrocodone (253 ng/L) and hydromorphone. However, ME tested blood sample for fentanyl. Stated none found.

Thanks.

CatB said:

Always happens when someone speaks the truth too loudly. That's why these things can go on for so long. And afterwards everyone will tell you that "there were never any signs".

There is not only light, and especially when it came to Prince many didn't want to hear it. They kept killing the messenger. That's why I gave up too.

http://forum.prince.org/m...&pg=39

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

Dibblekins said:

kmama07 said:

Dibblekins said:

Perhaps the documents clarify - I haven't yet read them all - but it would be interesting to know if each distinct 'type' of Watson 853 was stored in a separate bottle / space, so for example (and these are just hypotheticals):
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All Watson 853s containing only hydrcodone kept in the Bayer bottle;
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All Watson 853s containing Fentanyl kept in the jewellery box.

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Or were they completely muddled-up, thereby a Russian Roulette type affair every time he took one.

My guess is Russian roulette since they were counterfeit pills?

i've thought many times that if he wanted to commit suicide, he was smart enough to make it look accidental but of course no one wants to hear that either. Either way, he knew what was going on, it's not like he was the first rock star to fuck with drugs, he knew.

Strawberrylova123 said:

Can someone please share the link of the full investigation i cant find it

https://www.nytimes.com/i...iles1.html

[Edited 4/23/18 13:50pm]

precioux said:

MMJas said:

I think people will start talking. There's plenty of "he said this" and "she said that" in that police report which is now public. People might want to settle the record straight, imo. I'm specifically curious as to what will Tyka say regarding her two years comment. That is if she chooses to say anything at all.

[Edited 4/23/18 8:37am]

Is it just me?? I don't think it's a coincidence AT ALL that JH said EXACTLY what came out of Tyka's mouth...JH said "Prince said he did all he came to do..."

I'm calling BS with Tyka. She was not even close to Prince, and probably asked JH what he hadsaid duringthe plane incident. I do NOT think that Prince said this same exact line to his sister 2 years prior. Maybe Tyka's dinosaur whispered it in her ear

Right you are! Know what's worse? Those who defended her because she was so "loving" to her brother. Where are those defenders now? Most of them can't define love , let alone claim Tyka of all people, "loved" her brother.

If YOU are a recovering addict, you will see clear signs of behavior resembling addiction. YOU, did nothing.

If YOU have verbally publicized messages as if you understood that your brother was "DYING" , yet neglected to intervene in his death spiral, that means YOU had knowledge of the problem. Your willful negligence makes YOU just as guilty as anyone else who saw it happening.

If YOU allowed the public to think( FOR TWO YEARS) that it could be anything else other than your brother was afflicted with a disease called addiction, then YOU are just as sinister. It clearly points to a mindset of someone devoid of a moral compass that some of the idiots in here have bestowed upon her.

She never really changed her jealous vitriolic sentiments for Prince. The reality is that it has always been tempered by his financial support . Sucks to be YOU. Sucks to be the people who supported your claim that YOU had the "answers'. What a joke .

naw, that family just is simple and dysfunctional, the only thing notable about them is some dna they share. Prince had little in common with those simpletons other than his wierd way of interacting with the world. none of em seem to worldly or smart. pity the music doesn't go to brighter people. Jimi hendrix's dad didn't deserve his legacy either, he was an asshole who made jimi the screwup he was, at any rate, he was a dummie too who was swindled out of all jimi's shit and it took a billionaire to get it back for him.

Menes said:

precioux said:

Is it just me?? I don't think it's a coincidence AT ALL that JH said EXACTLY what came out of Tyka's mouth...JH said "Prince said he did all he came to do..."

I'm calling BS with Tyka. She was not even close to Prince, and probably asked JH what he hadsaid duringthe plane incident. I do NOT think that Prince said this same exact line to his sister 2 years prior. Maybe Tyka's dinosaur whispered it in her ear

Right you are! Know what's worse? Those who defended her because she was so "loving" to her brother. Where are those defenders now? Most of them can't define love , let alone claim Tyka of all people, "loved" her brother.

If YOU are a recovering addict, you will see clear signs of behavior resembling addiction. YOU, did nothing.

If YOU have verbally publicized messages as if you understood that your brother was "DYING" , yet neglected to intervene in his death spiral, that means YOU had knowledge of the problem. Your willful negligence makes YOU just as guilty as anyone else who saw it happening.

If YOU allowed the public to think( FOR TWO YEARS) that it could be anything else other than your brother was afflicted with a disease called addiction, then YOU are just as sinister. It clearly points to a mindset of someone devoid of a moral compass that some of the idiots in here have bestowed upon her.

She never really changed her jealous vitriolic sentiments for Prince. The reality is that it has always been tempered by his financial support . Sucks to be YOU. Sucks to be the people who supported your claim that YOU had the "answers'. What a joke .