Lovejunky said:

PennyPurple said:

So since KJ and Meron didn't leave until 10:30 or 11 pm, he could've been coming down to see them and died in the elevator on the way down? And they just didn't know it.??

With his clothes on Backwards?

I doubt it

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What's been troubling me is the backwards clothes thing......one of the investigators who was present during the autopsy said that he noted Prince's clothing was on backwards......everything, except for his underwear.

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Can anyone make any sense of this??!!

cloveringold85 said:

More questions based upon inverviews (timeline related)

Dr S. Interview

On 4/20 received text messages from KJ at 11:12 pm (did not see until next morning)

On 4/21 arrives to office at approximately 8:15 a.m. contacted KJ and asks if KJ is still in town. KJ responds, "I'm here waiting for him (Prince) to wakeup to give him something to take the edge off. He then said he was "WAITING for Andrew K for help." Umm ... why would he be waiting for AK if his plane arrived at 0553 hours?

Dr. S then sends KJ a text at 9:30 a.m. stating would be arriving at Paisley in about 10 minutes with test results. Did not receive response from KJ.

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Andrew K Interview

Meeting arranged w/P's "people" ... flight arranged by Phaedra

4/20 - states arrived 6 a.m. (per Homeland Security flight arrived into MPLS/St Paul at 0553 hours). Was met at airport by KJ. (unawered question: what time was hie picked up? looks like LE did not obtain video surveillance from the airport??? ... correct me if I"m wrong)

4/20 - hotel records show he checked into hotel at 8:45 a.m. AK states did not go to room. had breakfast with KJ and MB ... (for some reason LE decided not to check his room for evidence ... SMH)

Arrived at Paisley 9:00 a.m. - 9: 15 a.m.

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I did research and it takes approximately 25 minutes from the airport to the County Inn & Suites

Sooo ... what was going on between 0553 hours - 0845 hours????

According to Dr. S KJ stated he was WAITING for AK to help (this was 0815 hours)

There is huge gap of time on 4/21 : you arrive at 0553 hours but don't check in until 0845 hours???

And why would KJ being waiting for P to wake up to give him something to take the "edge off"

Also, is it possible KJ was with P as late as 11:12 pm on the 20th? I wonder did he give him something? I can't remember but one of the pills prescribed either the cloridine or

hydroxyzine had a quantity of 27/30 and one was 1/30.

KJ said Prince took some of the prescribed medicine after the visit with Dr. S. but stated "they weren't working". KJ then said he took the pills "home" with him "just in case" P might want them later. However, I wonder if it is the reverse and P took them around 11:12 pm and that's why KJ was texting Dr. S??? P said they weren't working but also took the laced fentanyl. KJ then left with the prescribed pills and went home.

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PennyPurple said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

http://www.chicagotribune...story.html Prince's "friends" were enablers

The sad part is the story says the family is mad, when actually it's only Chazz.

I don't follow anyone's social media but is any of the associates getting any backlash at all?

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Sharon made a public tweet that she was upset with the investigation outcome.

TheFreakerFantastic said:

What strikes me as very odd is that according to the report, Prince didn't have his own doctor (Schulenberg was Kirk's doctor). Surely someone of his status should have his own physician who knows him inside out? It seems that either he was mistrustful of his details getting out, or more likely, he wasn't taking good enough care of himself. I do believe this probably would have been prevented if he had someone insist they look after him, but that said he also pushed people away and would probably fire someone for contradicting him.

I still can't get over the fact these files and transcripts have been released....it seems so weird that all the 'suspects' can read what others had said about them to the police, what happened to interviewee confidentiality?! How will people react to each other now, knowing what has been said about them by a supposed 'friend' to the police?!

Usually these kind of things are blocked for say 50/70 years until the risk of offence or reprisals has gone. It's intetesting to read of course but it seems somewhat negligent, not to mention tactless.

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I was asking myself that very same question last night; Prince lived in MN his entire life, yet did not have a family doctor??

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Prince's autopsy will remain sealed for 30-years, according to MN Law; however, when there is a criminal/homicide investigation, once the case is closed, the files go on public record. Anyone can look it up and read it's contents.

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You can go online and search numerous cold-cases or homicide investigations, and the information is public knowledge.

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The media or Carver County Sheriff has done nothing wrong by making these files public.

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If the files were locked, then people would be upset and say that they were trying to cover up what happened to Prince, ya know?

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I'm glad the files are open -- because now we can finally know the truth -- after 2-very long years of not knowing much of anything!

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This has taken a lot out of me, personally -- both, mentally and physically, and I'm sure most of us here!! It's been exhausting!! We all have our own personal lives to deal with, but we come here, because we love Prince and he knows he had a Purple Army, who will always love him!!

The probably didn't the airport security cameras re: Andrew's ride from the airport because what is the signficance? They knew from plane records he was on that flight.

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What do you think is important about Andrew's morning timeline? Do you feel Andrew contributed to Prince's death in some way?

bondno9 said:

More questions based upon inverviews (timeline related)

Dr S. Interview

On 4/20 received text messages from KJ at 11:12 pm (did not see until next morning)

On 4/21 arrives to office at approximately 8:15 a.m. contacted KJ and asks if KJ is still in town. KJ responds, "I'm here waiting for him (Prince) to wakeup to give him something to take the edge off. He then said he was "WAITING for Andrew K for help." Umm ... why would he be waiting for AK if his plane arrived at 0553 hours?

Dr. S then sends KJ a text at 9:30 a.m. stating would be arriving at Paisley in about 10 minutes with test results. Did not receive response from KJ.

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Andrew K Interview

Meeting arranged w/P's "people" ... flight arranged by Phaedra

4/20 - states arrived 6 a.m. (per Homeland Security flight arrived into MPLS/St Paul at 0553 hours). Was met at airport by KJ. (unawered question: what time was hie picked up? looks like LE did not obtain video surveillance from the airport??? ... correct me if I"m wrong)

4/20 - states checked into hotel at 8:45 a.m. did not go to room. had breakfast with KJ and MB ...

Arrived at Paisley 9:00 a.m. - 9: 15 a.m.

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I did research and it takes approximately 25 minutes from the airport to the County Inn & Suites

Sooo ... what was going on between 0553 hours - 0845 hours????

According to Dr. S KJ stated he was WAITING for AK to help (this was 0815 hours)

There is huge gap of time on 4/20 : you arrive at 0553 hours but don't check in until 0845 hours???

And why would KJ being waiting for P to wake up to give him something to take the "edge off"

Also, is it possible KJ was with P as late as 11:12 pm on the 20th? I wonder did he give him something? I can't remember but one of the pills prescribed either the cloridine or

hydroxyzine had a quantity of 27/30 and one was 1/30.

KJ said Prince took some of the prescribed medicine after the visit with Dr. S. but stated "they weren't working". KJ then said he took the pills "home" with him "just in case" P might want them later. However, I wonder if it is the reverse and P took them around 11:12 pm and that's why KJ was texting Dr. S??? P said they weren't working but also took the laced fentanyl. KJ then left with the prescribed pills and went home.

It's called follow the trail ... there is a significant amount of unaccounted time on 4/21 .. for example: KJ tells Dr. S he's WAITING for AK to help (this is 0815 hours) ... however, AK's plane arrived at 0553 hours but did not check into hotel until 0845 ... frankly, it warranted much deeper investigating in terms of everyone's movements that morning.

disch said:

The probably didn't the airport security cameras re: Andrew's ride from the airport because what is the signficance? They knew from plane records he was on that flight.

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What do you think is important about Andrew's morning timeline? Do you feel Andrew contributed to Prince's death in some way?

bondno9 said:

More questions based upon inverviews (timeline related)

Dr S. Interview

On 4/20 received text messages from KJ at 11:12 pm (did not see until next morning)

On 4/21 arrives to office at approximately 8:15 a.m. contacted KJ and asks if KJ is still in town. KJ responds, "I'm here waiting for him (Prince) to wakeup to give him something to take the edge off. He then said he was "WAITING for Andrew K for help." Umm ... why would he be waiting for AK if his plane arrived at 0553 hours?

Dr. S then sends KJ a text at 9:30 a.m. stating would be arriving at Paisley in about 10 minutes with test results. Did not receive response from KJ.

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Andrew K Interview

Meeting arranged w/P's "people" ... flight arranged by Phaedra

4/20 - states arrived 6 a.m. (per Homeland Security flight arrived into MPLS/St Paul at 0553 hours). Was met at airport by KJ. (unawered question: what time was hie picked up? looks like LE did not obtain video surveillance from the airport??? ... correct me if I"m wrong)

4/20 - states checked into hotel at 8:45 a.m. did not go to room. had breakfast with KJ and MB ...

Arrived at Paisley 9:00 a.m. - 9: 15 a.m.

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I did research and it takes approximately 25 minutes from the airport to the County Inn & Suites

Sooo ... what was going on between 0553 hours - 0845 hours????

According to Dr. S KJ stated he was WAITING for AK to help (this was 0815 hours)

There is huge gap of time on 4/20 : you arrive at 0553 hours but don't check in until 0845 hours???

And why would KJ being waiting for P to wake up to give him something to take the "edge off"

Also, is it possible KJ was with P as late as 11:12 pm on the 20th? I wonder did he give him something? I can't remember but one of the pills prescribed either the cloridine or

hydroxyzine had a quantity of 27/30 and one was 1/30.

KJ said Prince took some of the prescribed medicine after the visit with Dr. S. but stated "they weren't working". KJ then said he took the pills "home" with him "just in case" P might want them later. However, I wonder if it is the reverse and P took them around 11:12 pm and that's why KJ was texting Dr. S??? P said they weren't working but also took the laced fentanyl. KJ then left with the prescribed pills and went home.

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

Lovejunky said:

With his clothes on Backwards?

I doubt it

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What's been troubling me is the backwards clothes thing......one of the investigators who was present during the autopsy said that he noted Prince's clothing was on backwards......everything, except for his underwear.

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Can anyone make any sense of this??!!

Hi clover, see the last few pages. What is the difference between backwards and inside out to you?

PennyPurple said:

MMJas said:

jtfolden said:

Remember the little private memorial they had at PP just after he passed away?

The investigators confirmed that someone accessed Prince's computer and gmail account on 04/23/2016 and deleted all of his emails prior to 04/19/2016. So at least as far as deleting things off the computer, she was telling the truth.

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This bothers me. Even if you delete stuff from the computer there are ways of accessing it, aren't there? Surely the Police could have done that.
Ûnless they did and realized what was deleted and shredded was personal stuff in order to ensure Prince's privacy and not something incriminating.

Gmail emails are not stored locally, they are stored on the server... and by the time the Sheriff's office was able to send a notice to Google too much time had passed for recovery of those deleted emails.

Rocksdalocks said:

Can someone please link Part 3 of this thread so that I can read prizefight's comments? Also, what did Mani post on FB in 2011? I keep hearing people mention prizefight and the Mani situation in 2011 and I have no idea what you are talking about.

See my comment above. I posted most of her comments. Reply 417?

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NME01 said:

jtfolden said:

Remember the little private memorial they had at PP just after he passed away?

The investigators confirmed that someone accessed Prince's computer and gmail account on 04/23/2016 and deleted all of his emails prior to 04/19/2016. So at least as far as deleting things off the computer, she was telling the truth.

[Edited 4/22/18 17:39pm]

His ISP would have infomation on this. The police know this. I can't understand why a warrant wasn't issued for this data??

No, his email account was a gmail account - nothing to do with his ISP. ...and they DID send preservation requests and search warrants for more than one email account.

jtfolden said:

MMJas said:

This bothers me. Even if you delete stuff from the computer there are ways of accessing it, aren't there? Surely the Police could have done that.
Ûnless they did and realized what was deleted and shredded was personal stuff in order to ensure Prince's privacy and not something incriminating.

Gmail emails are not stored locally, they are stored on the server... and by the time the Sheriff's office was able to send a notice to Google too much time had passed for recovery of those deleted emails.

Thanks.

The Part 3 thread is here:

http://forum.prince.org/m...?&pg=1

Prizefight makes comments througout; try starting on page 39 to see some of her posts.

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In 2011, Mani watched a Charlie Sheen interview on 20/20 and wrote on FB: ""Hoping never to see prince on 20/20 doing a charlie sheen-esque rant. so sad" People felt this was an implication that Prince, like Charlie, was using drugs.

Here's a thread about it:

http://prince.org/msg/7/353953

Rocksdalocks said:

Can someone please link Part 3 of this thread so that I can read prizefight's comments? Also, what did Mani post on FB in 2011? I keep hearing people mention prizefight and the Mani situation in 2011 and I have no idea what you are talking about.

PennyPurple said:

So since KJ and Meron didn't leave until 10:30 or 11 pm, he could've been coming down to see them and died in the elevator on the way down? And they just didn't know it.??

They said he was probably dead for about 6 hours when found, there's some leeway there but actual death probably ocurred in the middle of the night/early morning. However, he could have been laying unconcious in the elevator for a while before that...

Rebeljuice said:

When files are deleted from a computer they can be restored by data recovery software that is readily available on the market. Especially if it has recently been deleted and was one of the last tasks performed on the computer.

However, if Prince accessed his Gmail account through his browser and his emails were deleted through the browser, then the deleted files are not on his computer and are rather on the Google servers. It may be possible to retrieve the info through broweser caches, but the best way would be to approach Google with a warrant and ask to see the deleted emails. google keep backups of accounts on their servers. Not sure why this was not done.

It *WAS* done... too much time had passed to recover those emails. This is why one of the investigators expressed the wish they had taken his latop on 4/21 before Kirk or Phaedra got to it.

OperatingThetan said:

Lovejunky said:

With his clothes on Backwards?

I doubt it

It wasn't uncommon for Prince to wear his trousers and tops on backwards. This has been reported by various associates. Prince was found wearing the same clothes he wore to his medical appointment the day before. This clothing is clearly visible on both sets of footage and is documented and itemised in the reports. Unless Prince passed away naked or semi-clothed and Kirk dressed him before he was found by others, he would've been wearing those clothes backwards when the tragedy occured. If, and this is only speculation and rumour, Kirk did dress Prince to preserve his dignity I can only perceive that as an act of love. But I'm highly doubtful he did given the clothing Prince was discovered in was exactly what he was wearing when he was last seen alive. * [Edited 4/23/18 5:18am]

To be blunt, here's why Prince couldn't have been moved; He had vomit in his airway and it was observed that Prince had saliva draining out of his mouth in the elevator. There is also something "wet" on the wall of the elevator next to the control panel. Whatever happened to Prince happened while he was in the elevator. If it had happened in the bedroom or somewhere else there would likely be that kind of evidence there... like on his pillow if it happened in bed.

During the second search of PP when the DEA went they found an additional 130 Watson 853's.

The total 853 Watson's found was 229+.

MMJas said:

disch said:

I think the part I bolded below is a very plausible interpretation of why he took more of those "vicodin." He simply didn't know that these particular pills were lethal on their own. I think he had used prescription opioids enought the thought he understood very well how they worked (he told judith he knew his body well) and he knew that vicodin didn't normally trigger an OD like that in him. And as far as he knew, these were normal vicodin.

That's probably why he agreed to have blood tests done once he was back home. Also, that's probably why he was obsessed with finding out what they had given him at the hospital cause he was used to the "normal" reaction of the pills and probably attributed the not so normal reaction during the Moline incident to mixing the two (whereas he thought he was taking Vicodine) and whatever shot they had given him.

So if the hospital had tested the pills to discover their composition they might have known there was fentanyl in them?

to me, this is what the possible wrongful death suit (if it occurs) will be attributed to. The hospital not testing the illicit pills, if in fact they were in the suitcase that Prince had with him in the room

bondno9 said:

Andif he did come out and admit having issues .. how do you think people would have treated him? With compassion? or disdain? You admit being "pissed" off ... how do you think he would have received that type of attitude on a larger scale from fans? Probably as a form of judgment.

Rebeljuice said:

I think Prince thought the OD on the plane was due to him mixing his pills. He told JH as much. I think he took a fentanyl laced pill and one of those Tylenol/Codeine pills that he declared to the docs in Moline. It took 4mg of narcan to revive him. That is a lot. If he was convinced the OD was due to the mixing (afterall, the fentanyl pill was labeled as a more innocent Vicodin), he may well have thought the "Vicodin" pills were safe on their own. Hence why he reached for them again.


As his fans we have always thought Prince to be clean living and above the temptations of drugs, alchohol, cigarettes and even meat. We have all been proud of our favourite artist's clean living and often used to mention it when in discussion with non fans. So many greats have died of drug over doses and we were proud that our Prince was not like that. This is why the last two years have been tough. This is also why so many of us have come up with conspiracy theories and alternative realities to try and explain what seems inexplicable. Prince was an habitual drug user? Impossible!

Well, the facts are in. There was no underlying illness. There was no conspiracy for murder. This was not a new problem that started a year or two before his death. Prince was addicted to opioids for a long time and his denial combined with his need for utter secrecy meant that there was no help for him until it was too late. Our clean living Prince wasn't as clean as we thought and in a way that really pisses me off.

I have no doubt it all started with pain. But as someone pointed out in this thread, it seemed that pain was no longer at the forefront of the problem. Prince was simply addicted and needed his drugs to prevent the chaos of withdrawals. I don't think it was about obtaining a high. Opioids are not like heroin or extacy or acid. There isn't really a high as such. But when you get to the stage where you need to take the pills in order to function normally, then you know there is a problem. Without the pills all hell breaks loose. With them life can almost feel normal. Not entirely normal mind you because there are side affects and consequences - constipation, sleeplessness, paranoia, groginess etc. But those side affects are a lot more palitable than withdrawals. And when you think you are in control and in denial about the extent of the problem, there is no reason to seek help.

Maybe someone will grow some balls and tell the truth behind it all one day. Or maybe there isn't anyone to tell the truth behind it all because no one actually knows the full extent of his problems - just how Prince wanted it. And that is what pisses me off. Prince painted a clean living image of himself and put everything at risk to keep that persona alive, even when the walls were crumbling down around him. He would rather be a hypocrite and lie than hold his hand up and say "ok, I got a few issues. im gonna go away for a while, get well and come back even stronger". But he didn't.

After two years of speculation and guess work to try and make Prince, the persona, fit into this drug narrative, we end up back where we started. The only real story here is the one that came out the day he died - Prince died of a drug overdose. And that is all there is to it because if you are addicted to any kind of drug, there is a very good chance that drug will kill you in the end, especially if you deny there is a problem and refuse help from anyone. The hows and whys dont really matter anymore. An investigation took place and there was nothing to find except a deeply secretive drug user who had trouble facing up to his problems. Prince was an addict that lost the fight. It's as simple as that.

As fucking usual, PROVEN by 38 YEARS of his life and musical career! Some with compassion. Some with disdain. Some giving understanding. Some doing nothing but complain. Some expressing curt and hurt. Some expressing love and forgivness. The reactions would have been just as diverse and varied as Prince fans ARE.. always have been and always will be.

Right, but (as per KJ in the documents), Prince had requested an overall physical ( and bloodwork?) be set up in the fall of 2015. This never transpired until all hell broke loose in 4/16

disch said:

He had sort of brushed off the moline OD, if i recall some of what he told others as reported in the documents, saying that he was just sort of deeply asleep and would have come to on his own. So he very well could have got the idea that it was the narcan shots that somehow made things worse. And he didn't seem like he wanted to explore the OD too deeply: he refused testing at the hospital , got out of the hospital asap, and didn't seem to talk much about it with anyone after that.

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he was guy who did adhere to some unconventional ideas about health etc.

MMJas said:

That's probably why he agreed to have blood tests done once he was back home. Also, that's probably why he was obsessed with finding out what they had given him at the hospital cause he was used to the "normal" reaction of the pills and probably attributed the not so normal reaction during the Moline incident to mixing the two (whereas he thought he was taking Vicodine) and whatever shot they had given him.

So if the hospital had tested the pills to discover their composition they might have known there was fentanyl in them?

MMJas said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Your thoughts on this matter are what I also believed happened. Regarding what you wrote here, it now seems to me that it really is time for people to start talking. What is left to protect now that there are photos of his dead body in the public domain?

I think people will start talking. There's plenty of "he said this" and "she said that" in that police report which is now public. People might want to settle the record straight, imo. I'm specifically curious as to what will Tyka say regarding her two years comment. That is if she chooses to say anything at all.

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Is it just me?? I don't think it's a coincidence AT ALL that JH said EXACTLY what came out of Tyka's mouth...JH said "Prince said he did all he came to do..."

I'm calling BS with Tyka. She was not even close to Prince, and probably asked JH what he hadsaid duringthe plane incident. I do NOT think that Prince said this same exact line to his sister 2 years prior. Maybe Tyka's dinosaur whispered it in her ear

OperatingThetan said:

PeteSilas said:

he seems to have said those types of things to the medical folk but he said different things to JH and Kirk, the bizarre thing he said to kirk, "you'll still do the shows if I'm not here" are just senseless. what show without the one man on the bill? wierd, but maybe prince was that out of it.

I thought the comment was made in relation to Judith Hill; that she should continue her career without him. Otherwise, perhaps Prince thought Kirk would be Judith's drummer?

maybe, it sounds really more like an incoherent man. but i don't know.

precioux said:

MMJas said:

I think people will start talking. There's plenty of "he said this" and "she said that" in that police report which is now public. People might want to settle the record straight, imo. I'm specifically curious as to what will Tyka say regarding her two years comment. That is if she chooses to say anything at all.

[Edited 4/23/18 8:37am]

Is it just me?? I don't think it's a coincidence AT ALL that JH said EXACTLY what came out of Tyka's mouth...JH said "Prince said he did all he came to do..."

I'm calling BS with Tyka. She was not even close to Prince, and probably asked JH what he hadsaid duringthe plane incident. I do NOT think that Prince said this same exact line to his sister 2 years prior. Maybe Tyka's dinosaur whispered it in her ear

My thoughts exactly.

disch said:

I agree with you. But the folks who are positing "deathly illness" are alluding to conditions like cancer, AIDS -- not solely addiction.

206Michelle said:

My guess is that his addiction to painkillers was the illness. I believe that addiction is a disease or an illness. He was dependent on opioid painkillers for years, and eventually, the dependence turned into addiction and put Prince in a downward spiral where the addiction took on a life of its own. He may have also been experiencing depression or anxiety. Addiction, depression, and anxiety are all conditions that require treatment for healing to occur. They are not character flaws, but rather, chronic conditions that require treatment. disch said:

and why not? cops don't try to find illness, they try to find someone to take to jail, the autopsy would have all of that info to shut us up but that will be sealed for 30 years in that backwater state.

MMJas said:

precioux said:

luv4u said: BS! Listen to it again... Metz even went as far as to say he was not here to “morally judge”...and he legally could not charge anyone based on what he basically knew but could not prove in a court of law. He did not have the evidence...it was deleted, remember??

Can you provide the link with the full press conference, please, Precioux?

I find what you say here interesting, cause the detective could have had his hunches and suspicions but if he was not able to make good on them and prove them, then he was left with a closed case. i think.

white people talk in circles, in plain english, he knew someone was guilty but couldn't find any hard evidence.