http://www.chicagotribune...story.html

Prince’s enablers helped him slip into a doctor’s office after hours to get treated for the “jitters” when the fentanyl was wearing off. His enablers managed to get him prescription medication for a controlled substance — though not the one that killed him — in someone else’s name.

On a flight from Atlanta shortly before his death, enablers got the plane to make an emergency stop in rural Illinois after the singer overdosed on opioids. After paramedics gave him Narcan on the tarmac to bring him around, the enablers shuffled him back on board and headed home.

Really, how does this woman know he was being treated for "jitters when the fentanyl was wearing off"? A good journalist should read the files - that statement doesn't even fit the timeline, so it makes no sense.

They weren't supposed to stop the plane? They're damned if they do and damned if they don't. If Judith wasn't there and noticed what was going on, there would not have been a landing in Moline from what is stated in the interviews. Much of this is a media pile on imo. It's the Chicago version of the Star Tribune, New York Times and similar articles.

ha yes Prince emailed his assistant to have the cook use a different cooking oil because prince was concerned about "adrenal gland fatigue" as the cause of his health concerns -- but, what, he didn't connect those concerns to his terminal cancer/AIDS diagnosis?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

disch said:

I agree with you. But the folks who are positing "deathly illness" are alluding to conditions like cancer, AIDS -- not solely addiction.

Disch: Some here may have "posited" he was deathly ill but there's not a lick of information in this report that supports that. There's no record of doctors visits (or even a regular doctor) other than the few Dr S visits, no prescribed medications other than the Dr S stuff, nothing. And this deathy illness apparently whizzed right by the doctors in Moline and Dr S, who made no mention of it (and of course Prince apparently didn't mention this supposed terminal illness to Dr S either, even though Prince was voluntarily visiting him to get relief from his various complaints, and that might be pertinent info. Prince did disclose his hip surgery and even his wisdom-teeth removal to him).

The PERFECT refutation of the illness theory in a nutshell!!!!!

[Edited 4/23/18 7:37am]

disch said:

I think the part I bolded below is a very plausible interpretation of why he took more of those "vicodin." He simply didn't know that these particular pills were lethal on their own. I think he had used prescription opioids enought the thought he understood very well how they worked (he told judith he knew his body well) and he knew that vicodin didn't normally trigger an OD like that in him. And as far as he knew, these were normal vicodin.

Rebeljuice said:

I think Prince thought the OD on the plane was due to him mixing his pills. He told JH as much. I think he took a fentanyl laced pill and one of those Tylenol/Codeine pills that he declared to the docs in Moline. It took 4mg of narcan to revive him. That is a lot. If he was convinced the OD was due to the mixing (afterall, the fentanyl pill was labeled as a more innocent Vicodin), he may well have thought the "Vicodin" pills were safe on their own. Hence why he reached for them again.


As his fans we have always thought Prince to be clean living and above the temptations of drugs, alchohol, cigarettes and even meat. We have all been proud of our favourite artist's clean living and often used to mention it when in discussion with non fans. So many greats have died of drug over doses and we were proud that our Prince was not like that. This is why the last two years have been tough. This is also why so many of us have come up with conspiracy theories and alternative realities to try and explain what seems inexplicable. Prince was an habitual drug user? Impossible!

Well, the facts are in. There was no underlying illness. There was no conspiracy for murder. This was not a new problem that started a year or two before his death. Prince was addicted to opioids for a long time and his denial combined with his need for utter secrecy meant that there was no help for him until it was too late. Our clean living Prince wasn't as clean as we thought and in a way that really pisses me off.

I have no doubt it all started with pain. But as someone pointed out in this thread, it seemed that pain was no longer at the forefront of the problem. Prince was simply addicted and needed his drugs to prevent the chaos of withdrawals. I don't think it was about obtaining a high. Opioids are not like heroin or extacy or acid. There isn't really a high as such. But when you get to the stage where you need to take the pills in order to function normally, then you know there is a problem. Without the pills all hell breaks loose. With them life can almost feel normal. Not entirely normal mind you because there are side affects and consequences - constipation, sleeplessness, paranoia, groginess etc. But those side affects are a lot more palitable than withdrawals. And when you think you are in control and in denial about the extent of the problem, there is no reason to seek help.

Maybe someone will grow some balls and tell the truth behind it all one day. Or maybe there isn't anyone to tell the truth behind it all because no one actually knows the full extent of his problems - just how Prince wanted it. And that is what pisses me off. Prince painted a clean living image of himself and put everything at risk to keep that persona alive, even when the walls were crumbling down around him. He would rather be a hypocrite and lie than hold his hand up and say "ok, I got a few issues. im gonna go away for a while, get well and come back even stronger". But he didn't.

After two years of speculation and guess work to try and make Prince, the persona, fit into this drug narrative, we end up back where we started. The only real story here is the one that came out the day he died - Prince died of a drug overdose. And that is all there is to it because if you are addicted to any kind of drug, there is a very good chance that drug will kill you in the end, especially if you deny there is a problem and refuse help from anyone. The hows and whys dont really matter anymore. An investigation took place and there was nothing to find except a deeply secretive drug user who had trouble facing up to his problems. Prince was an addict that lost the fight. It's as simple as that.

That's probably why he agreed to have blood tests done once he was back home. Also, that's probably why he was obsessed with finding out what they had given him at the hospital cause he was used to the "normal" reaction of the pills and probably attributed the not so normal reaction during the Moline incident to mixing the two (whereas he thought he was taking Vicodine) and whatever shot they had given him.

So if the hospital had tested the pills to discover their composition they might have known there was fentanyl in them?

poppys said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

rogifan said:

poppys said:

kmama07 said:

The thing about his shirt sleeves being cut off doesn't bring any questions to my mind. I know and see men and women with the sleeves to their t-shirts cut off all the time. I've even done it before because I don't like how they bunch up when I layer another shirt/sweater/sweatshirt over it.

Agree. Cutting up t-shirts is not weird. Many people do it. Judith said his undershirt was inside out, not all his clothes. Backwards and inside out are 2 different things in the first place.

There was a photo shoot where they cut the sleeves and neck on a black shirt he was wearing.

Purplebflogirl said:

Purplebflogirl said:

Is the amount of fentanyl alleged to have been in his bloodstream now on public record, does anyone know?

kmama07 said:

He had sort of brushed off the moline OD, if i recall some of what he told others as reported in the documents, saying that he was just sort of deeply asleep and would have come to on his own. So he very well could have got the idea that it was the narcan shots that somehow made things worse. And he didn't seem like he wanted to explore the OD too deeply: he refused testing at the hospital, got out of the hospital asap, and didn't seem to talk much about it with anyone after that.

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he was guy who did adhere to some unconventional ideas about health etc.

MMJas said:

disch said:

I think the part I bolded below is a very plausible interpretation of why he took more of those "vicodin." He simply didn't know that these particular pills were lethal on their own. I think he had used prescription opioids enought the thought he understood very well how they worked (he told judith he knew his body well) and he knew that vicodin didn't normally trigger an OD like that in him. And as far as he knew, these were normal vicodin.

That's probably why he agreed to have blood tests done once he was back home. Also, that's probably why he was obsessed with finding out what they had given him at the hospital cause he was used to the "normal" reaction of the pills and probably attributed the not so normal reaction during the Moline incident to mixing the two (whereas he thought he was taking Vicodine) and whatever shot they had given him.

So if the hospital had tested the pills to discover their composition they might have known there was fentanyl in them?

rogifan said:

poppys said:

Agree. Cutting up t-shirts is not weird. Many people do it. Judith said his undershirt was inside out, not all his clothes. Backwards and inside out are 2 different things in the first place.

There was a photo shoot where they cut the sleeves and neck on a black shirt he was wearing.

Awww thanks for comin up with the photo, was hoping someone would.

ThatWhiteDude said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Is the amount of fentanyl alleged to have been in his bloodstream now on public record, does anyone know?

Reports had it at 67.8 micrograms per liter ... liver was 450 micrograms per kilogram. I'm still trying to figure out how many pills does that equate to? That's an exceedingly high amount in his system especially if no fentanyl was found in his blood the eve prior from visit with Dr. S

[Edited 4/23/18 8:22am]

poppys said:

rogifan said:

poppys said:

Awww thanks for comin up with the photo, was hoping someone would.

Incident reports indicated that his shirt was cut to apply an AED during CPR.

i wonder if Shelby knew anything ...she seems like a deeply caring person who would take no shit from P

Purplebflogirl said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Purplebflogirl said:

It seems Mani was kept in the loop by someone..Why not go to the police with the info..texts,emails,phone calls taped etc..The one thing I believe everyone agrees on..Prince did not want the the public to know..Maybe that why she received so much money in the divorce settlement? And didn't she take him back to court again for a balance owed of 200kish 7-8 yrs ago? Didn't she want alot of alimony? Everyone got $ from him..lived in his houses etc..He was the gravy train..And everyone rode it.So sad.

Well, that's a good point.

I think that's why he iced her out of the marriage, she knew he was an addict and she pushed him to dial it back. I also think that's why she got a hefty settlement...she had PROOF that he was an addict and that she had tried to help...pieces falling into place now.

Purpleone4Eva said:

poppys said:

Awww thanks for comin up with the photo, was hoping someone would.

Incident reports indicated that his shirt was cut to apply an AED during CPR.

True. There has been 2 years of the clothing conundrum, with lots of wild speculation and differing info.

Probably an Urban Legend that will never go away at this point..

poppys said:

Purpleone4Eva said:

Incident reports indicated that his shirt was cut to apply an AED during CPR.

True. There has been 2 years of the clothing conundrum, with lots of wild speculation and differing info.

Probably an Urban Legend that will never go away at this point..

yes the outer shirt was cut to apply the AED ...i was thinkng about the sleeves on the inner tshirt being cut ...see line #36 in the report

Rebeljuice said:

Maybe someone will grow some balls and tell the truth behind it all one day.

Your thoughts on this matter are what I also believed happened. Regarding what you wrote here, it now seems to me that it really is time for people to start talking. What is left to protect now that there are photos of his dead body in the public domain?

TheEnglishGent said:

Rebeljuice said:

Maybe someone will grow some balls and tell the truth behind it all one day.

Your thoughts on this matter are what I also believed happened. Regarding what you wrote here, it now seems to me that it really is time for people to start talking. What is left to protect now that there are photos of his dead body in the public domain?

I think people will start talking. There's plenty of "he said this" and "she said that" in that police report which is now public. People might want to settle the record straight, imo. I'm specifically curious as to what will Tyka say regarding her two years comment. That is if she chooses to say anything at all.

[Edited 4/23/18 8:37am]

So very true Rebel, so very true.

Rebeljuice said:

I think Prince thought the OD on the plane was due to him mixing his pills. He told JH as much. I think he took a fentanyl laced pill and one of those Tylenol/Codeine pills that he declared to the docs in Moline. It took 4mg of narcan to revive him. That is a lot. If he was convinced the OD was due to the mixing (afterall, the fentanyl pill was labeled as a more innocent Vicodin), he may well have thought the "Vicodin" pills were safe on their own. Hence why he reached for them again.


As his fans we have always thought Prince to be clean living and above the temptations of drugs, alchohol, cigarettes and even meat. We have all been proud of our favourite artist's clean living and often used to mention it when in discussion with non fans. So many greats have died of drug over doses and we were proud that our Prince was not like that. This is why the last two years have been tough. This is also why so many of us have come up with conspiracy theories and alternative realities to try and explain what seems inexplicable. Prince was an habitual drug user? Impossible!

Well, the facts are in. There was no underlying illness. There was no conspiracy for murder. This was not a new problem that started a year or two before his death. Prince was addicted to opioids for a long time and his denial combined with his need for utter secrecy meant that there was no help for him until it was too late. Our clean living Prince wasn't as clean as we thought and in a way that really pisses me off.

I have no doubt it all started with pain. But as someone pointed out in this thread, it seemed that pain was no longer at the forefront of the problem. Prince was simply addicted and needed his drugs to prevent the chaos of withdrawals. I don't think it was about obtaining a high. Opioids are not like heroin or extacy or acid. There isn't really a high as such. But when you get to the stage where you need to take the pills in order to function normally, then you know there is a problem. Without the pills all hell breaks loose. With them life can almost feel normal. Not entirely normal mind you because there are side affects and consequences - constipation, sleeplessness, paranoia, groginess etc. But those side affects are a lot more palitable than withdrawals. And when you think you are in control and in denial about the extent of the problem, there is no reason to seek help.

Maybe someone will grow some balls and tell the truth behind it all one day. Or maybe there isn't anyone to tell the truth behind it all because no one actually knows the full extent of his problems - just how Prince wanted it. And that is what pisses me off. Prince painted a clean living image of himself and put everything at risk to keep that persona alive, even when the walls were crumbling down around him. He would rather be a hypocrite and lie than hold his hand up and say "ok, I got a few issues. im gonna go away for a while, get well and come back even stronger". But he didn't.

After two years of speculation and guess work to try and make Prince, the persona, fit into this drug narrative, we end up back where we started. The only real story here is the one that came out the day he died - Prince died of a drug overdose. And that is all there is to it because if you are addicted to any kind of drug, there is a very good chance that drug will kill you in the end, especially if you deny there is a problem and refuse help from anyone. The hows and whys dont really matter anymore. An investigation took place and there was nothing to find except a deeply secretive drug user who had trouble facing up to his problems. Prince was an addict that lost the fight. It's as simple as that.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

disch said:

I agree with you. But the folks who are positing "deathly illness" are alluding to conditions like cancer, AIDS -- not solely addiction.

Disch: Some here may have "posited" he was deathly ill but there's not a lick of information in this report that supports that. There's no record of doctors visits (or even a regular doctor) other than the few Dr S visits, no prescribed medications other than the Dr S stuff, nothing. And this deathy illness apparently whizzed right by the doctors in Moline and Dr S, who made no mention of it (and of course Prince apparently didn't mention this supposed terminal illness to Dr S either, even though Prince was voluntarily visiting him to get relief from his various complaints, and that might be pertinent info. Prince did disclose his hip surgery and even his wisdom-teeth removal to him).

The PERFECT refutation of the illness theory in a nutshell!!!!!

He didn't have any other health problem, it was simply addiction. The only pain he mentioned to the Drs. was pain in his hands and possibly arm, paperwork showed he was having a slight back problem and was working with a chiro.

Now I'm not saying the addiction didn't start with his hip when he had surgery. You also notice him walking in and out of Dr. S office the night before, there was no limp, and no cane.

No cancer, no leukemia, no AIDS, no hepititis. Mulefunk might have to rewrite his book.

Purplebflogirl said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

And some got blocked/ didn't know what was going on because of people Back peddeling.

It seems Mani was kept in the loop by someone..Why not go to the police with the info..texts,emails,phone calls taped etc..The one thing I believe everyone agrees on..Prince did not want the the public to know..Maybe that why she received so much money in the divorce settlement? And didn't she take him back to court again for a balance owed of 200kish 7-8 yrs ago? Didn't she want alot of alimony? Everyone got $ from him..lived in his houses etc..He was the gravy train..And everyone rode it.So sad.

i wonder if Prince changed all the locks at Paisley Park after Mani was gone. for that matter, whenever an old assistant left the fold or was fired, did he change all of the locks?

[Edited 4/23/18 8:47am]

Purplebflogirl said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/glanton/ct-met-prince-friends-dahleen-glanton-20180420-story.html Prince's "friends" were enablers

And IMHO they weren't worried about protecting P..He was dead..yet they still lied,tried to get people not to talk,pretended they didn't know he had a problem..They weren't loyal to him..Even people who he hadn't talked to in years did nothing to help..and they knew for YEARS..Every single one of them..If Im wrong please point out 1 person who went public and said he needs help,as I have no doubt he was stubborn.Nobody did.. because of $..And that is heartbreaking

That's why I said I will no longer support any associate of his. They are fakes.

PennyPurple said:

So very true Rebel, so very true.

Rebeljuice said:

I think Prince thought the OD on the plane was due to him mixing his pills. He told JH as much. I think he took a fentanyl laced pill and one of those Tylenol/Codeine pills that he declared to the docs in Moline. It took 4mg of narcan to revive him. That is a lot. If he was convinced the OD was due to the mixing (afterall, the fentanyl pill was labeled as a more innocent Vicodin), he may well have thought the "Vicodin" pills were safe on their own. Hence why he reached for them again.


As his fans we have always thought Prince to be clean living and above the temptations of drugs, alchohol, cigarettes and even meat. We have all been proud of our favourite artist's clean living and often used to mention it when in discussion with non fans. So many greats have died of drug over doses and we were proud that our Prince was not like that. This is why the last two years have been tough. This is also why so many of us have come up with conspiracy theories and alternative realities to try and explain what seems inexplicable. Prince was an habitual drug user? Impossible!

Well, the facts are in. There was no underlying illness. There was no conspiracy for murder. This was not a new problem that started a year or two before his death. Prince was addicted to opioids for a long time and his denial combined with his need for utter secrecy meant that there was no help for him until it was too late. Our clean living Prince wasn't as clean as we thought and in a way that really pisses me off.

I have no doubt it all started with pain. But as someone pointed out in this thread, it seemed that pain was no longer at the forefront of the problem. Prince was simply addicted and needed his drugs to prevent the chaos of withdrawals. I don't think it was about obtaining a high. Opioids are not like heroin or extacy or acid. There isn't really a high as such. But when you get to the stage where you need to take the pills in order to function normally, then you know there is a problem. Without the pills all hell breaks loose. With them life can almost feel normal. Not entirely normal mind you because there are side affects and consequences - constipation, sleeplessness, paranoia, groginess etc. But those side affects are a lot more palitable than withdrawals. And when you think you are in control and in denial about the extent of the problem, there is no reason to seek help.

Maybe someone will grow some balls and tell the truth behind it all one day. Or maybe there isn't anyone to tell the truth behind it all because no one actually knows the full extent of his problems - just how Prince wanted it. And that is what pisses me off. Prince painted a clean living image of himself and put everything at risk to keep that persona alive, even when the walls were crumbling down around him. He would rather be a hypocrite and lie than hold his hand up and say "ok, I got a few issues. im gonna go away for a while, get well and come back even stronger". But he didn't.

After two years of speculation and guess work to try and make Prince, the persona, fit into this drug narrative, we end up back where we started. The only real story here is the one that came out the day he died - Prince died of a drug overdose. And that is all there is to it because if you are addicted to any kind of drug, there is a very good chance that drug will kill you in the end, especially if you deny there is a problem and refuse help from anyone. The hows and whys dont really matter anymore. An investigation took place and there was nothing to find except a deeply secretive drug user who had trouble facing up to his problems. Prince was an addict that lost the fight. It's as simple as that.

Why does that piss you off? In life many things are not what they seem. Every person in that report that stated they were aware of Prince's pain pill addiction said he was in pain and used them in order to be able to perform. Not one of them mentioned recreational drug usage and the lot. In fact, most of them even said he would drink but always a minimum amount. Who knows, perhaps he did not drink because he knew better than to mix opiates with alcohol. It had gotten him into trouble once already (that we know of).
Prince was indeed ill. He suffered from a painkiller dependency which he thought he had under control, just like he believed he had everything else under control.

Andif he did come out and admit having issues .. how do you think people would have treated him? With compassion? or disdain? You admit being "pissed" off ... how do you think he would have received that type of attitude on a larger scale from fans? Probably as a form of judgment.

Rebeljuice said:

I think Prince thought the OD on the plane was due to him mixing his pills. He told JH as much. I think he took a fentanyl laced pill and one of those Tylenol/Codeine pills that he declared to the docs in Moline. It took 4mg of narcan to revive him. That is a lot. If he was convinced the OD was due to the mixing (afterall, the fentanyl pill was labeled as a more innocent Vicodin), he may well have thought the "Vicodin" pills were safe on their own. Hence why he reached for them again.


As his fans we have always thought Prince to be clean living and above the temptations of drugs, alchohol, cigarettes and even meat. We have all been proud of our favourite artist's clean living and often used to mention it when in discussion with non fans. So many greats have died of drug over doses and we were proud that our Prince was not like that. This is why the last two years have been tough. This is also why so many of us have come up with conspiracy theories and alternative realities to try and explain what seems inexplicable. Prince was an habitual drug user? Impossible!

Well, the facts are in. There was no underlying illness. There was no conspiracy for murder. This was not a new problem that started a year or two before his death. Prince was addicted to opioids for a long time and his denial combined with his need for utter secrecy meant that there was no help for him until it was too late. Our clean living Prince wasn't as clean as we thought and in a way that really pisses me off.

I have no doubt it all started with pain. But as someone pointed out in this thread, it seemed that pain was no longer at the forefront of the problem. Prince was simply addicted and needed his drugs to prevent the chaos of withdrawals. I don't think it was about obtaining a high. Opioids are not like heroin or extacy or acid. There isn't really a high as such. But when you get to the stage where you need to take the pills in order to function normally, then you know there is a problem. Without the pills all hell breaks loose. With them life can almost feel normal. Not entirely normal mind you because there are side affects and consequences - constipation, sleeplessness, paranoia, groginess etc. But those side affects are a lot more palitable than withdrawals. And when you think you are in control and in denial about the extent of the problem, there is no reason to seek help.

Maybe someone will grow some balls and tell the truth behind it all one day. Or maybe there isn't anyone to tell the truth behind it all because no one actually knows the full extent of his problems - just how Prince wanted it. And that is what pisses me off. Prince painted a clean living image of himself and put everything at risk to keep that persona alive, even when the walls were crumbling down around him. He would rather be a hypocrite and lie than hold his hand up and say "ok, I got a few issues. im gonna go away for a while, get well and come back even stronger". But he didn't.

After two years of speculation and guess work to try and make Prince, the persona, fit into this drug narrative, we end up back where we started. The only real story here is the one that came out the day he died - Prince died of a drug overdose. And that is all there is to it because if you are addicted to any kind of drug, there is a very good chance that drug will kill you in the end, especially if you deny there is a problem and refuse help from anyone. The hows and whys dont really matter anymore. An investigation took place and there was nothing to find except a deeply secretive drug user who had trouble facing up to his problems. Prince was an addict that lost the fight. It's as simple as that.

bondno9 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Is the amount of fentanyl alleged to have been in his bloodstream now on public record, does anyone know?

Reports had it at 67.8 micrograms per liter ... liver was 450 micrograms per kilogram. I'm still trying to figure out how many pills does that equate to? That's an exceedingly high amount in his system especially if no fentanyl was found in his blood the eve prior from visit with Dr. S

[Edited 4/23/18 8:22am]

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/mar/27/prince-had-exceedingly-high-level-of-fentanyl-in-body-when-he-died

The report says the concentration of fentanyl in Prince’s blood was 67.8 micrograms per litre. Fatalities have been documented in people with blood levels ranging from three to 58 micrograms per litre, the report says.

It adds that the level of fentanyl in Prince’s liver was 450 micrograms per kilogram, and notes liver concentrations greater than 69 micrograms per kilogram “seem to represent overdose or fatal toxicity cases”.

ThatWhiteDude said:

http://www.chicagotribune...story.html Prince's "friends" were enablers

The sad part is the story says the family is mad, when actually it's only Chazz.

I don't follow anyone's social media but is any of the associates getting any backlash at all?