sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

Thank you. The masses will take this issue and make him out to be a monster.

The masses aren't going to do any such thing unless you keep throwing it out there. Why even bring up emotional pain? Why did you have to put that out there? Irresponsible to add to the controversy already surrounding this subject. I agree about about addiction as a disease is controversial its but for the sake of argument since the medical community has now accepted it as such I'm just going with that. Call it what you want but when someone is mentally and physically unable to cope without the effects of opiates in their body it doesn't matter the name you give it. It's real and it's devastating to live with such a disability. Treatment doesn't have a great success rate but it can be overcome with lots of support and intervention. It would be nearly impossible to kick it yourself but I imagine most people want to try anyway at least initially. I'm sorry that he was reluctant to seek help. Rehabbing in a facility specializing in opiate addiction can make the experience much more tolerable and successful. I wonder if he was afraid of the publicity or of the loss to his income or maybe both. I can't imagine he didn't know how beloved he was and that the outpouring of support would have been tremendous. I think he felt too responsible for too many people. A man with his resources would have the best chance of recovery. This latest news makes me question his family's concern. It sounds like the people who will inherit what he worked his entire life for basically sat back and let him self destruct. I don't want to feel this way towards them but honestly where were they when he needed them? They didn't shy away from filing their claims as his heirs. Kind of turns my stomach. These are the things we should be concerned about. Not making up pretend scenarios about his health.

Yes, they will just go on the internet today and read the comments on the articles about him.

I do not know why you keep saying he was reluctant to seek help why was in withdrawals and why did he go see Dr. S. and he was he going to go with Dr. K?

He was working and he had concerts lined up until the fall so he obvisouly wanted or felt he needed to work. He never took breaks or a lot of vacations. He worked when his son died, his mom and dad and while divorcing.

If you read Sheila E's book nothing made him not work. I just think he thought he could beat it on his own and he could not. I am with you on his family. I know they have a lot on their plates but they have to fell guilty I mean he took care of them and they are all grown ass adults.

disch said:

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

It also says - somewhere in there - that Dr S actually MET with Prince twice, before making out the relevant prescriptions and putting them in KJ's name to protect P's privacy.

Someone on this board said yesterday that Dr S put a press release saying he only wrote Rxs for Kirk for controlled substances and no controlled substances for Prince. I cannot find anything on the internet so maybe this was bogus.

I am still very surprised that Dr. S would admit to something like that or why he even did it in the first place. If Prince had been going to Walgreens for a year why worry about your privacy now. It does not make any sense. The cameras in the store, people who worked their saw him and if he signed for stuff even if it was non-controlled substances their is a record.

Post #554 has the link that you are looking for with Dr. S press release.

You know what else came out this week? Brownmark said Prince told him that when he was through with 3rdEyeGirl, he was going to reunite with The Revolution. I had never seen that mentioned by anyone in the past year. If that was true - oh my oh my ...

sonshine said:

disch said:

Dr. S' rep made a statement yesterday:

http://www.fox9.com/news/...9591-story

he said: "Dr. Schulenberg never directly prescribed opioids to Prince, nor did he ever prescribe opioids to any other person with the intent that they would be given to Prince."

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That's all I've seen from Dr. S about this

We had a patient who coerced her friend into obtaining pain meds for her by claiming bogus neck pain. The truth came out when her random drug screen (which every patient receiving opiates must agree in writing to) came back clean as a whistle. When she was questioned at her next appt she broke down and confessed what was going on. Obviously I am sympathetic to the health care providers. They have been forced into very difficult situations. They have to believe and trust what their patients tell them. They can t be held accountable for the actions of patients with ulterior motives. Most of them are doing the best they can during this crisis. Add to that having a famous patient and trying to meet their demands for privacy. It's actually not illegal or unethical to use aliases for patients. We have specific protocols and procedures that must be followed tho. [Edited 4/18/17 12:02pm]

Okay I see the Doctor did nothing illegal and he never wrote any pain meds for prince just the other Rx for blood pressue and nausea.

If he wrote pain meds for Kirk I wonder if he is abusing the meds and Kirk gave his to Prince on this round

I now I wonder if those Wastson came from Kirk. Remember he is a fitness trainer and some gyms are drug dens.

I do not believe for one minute he got drugs off of the internet. If he had legit pain meds from Kirk why take the Watsons? Unless he knew they were expired and not as powerful and maybe was trying to make it to the next day. This looks bad for Kirk. The doctor is not going down for you.

laytonian said:

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:

disch said: We had a patient who coerced her friend into obtaining pain meds for her by claiming bogus neck pain. The truth came out when her random drug screen (which every patient receiving opiates must agree in writing to) came back clean as a whistle. When she was questioned at her next appt she broke down and confessed what was going on. Obviously I am sympathetic to the health care providers. They have been forced into very difficult situations. They have to believe and trust what their patients tell them. They can t be held accountable for the actions of patients with ulterior motives. Most of them are doing the best they can during this crisis. Add to that having a famous patient and trying to meet their demands for privacy. It's actually not illegal or unethical to use aliases for patients. We have specific protocols and procedures that must be followed tho. [Edited 4/18/17 12:02pm]

Okay I see the Doctor did nothing illegal and he never wrote any pain meds for prince just the other Rx for blood pressue and nausea.

If he wrote pain meds for Kirk I wonder if he is abusing the meds and Kirk gave his to Prince on this round

I now I wonder if those Wastson came from Kirk. Remember he is a fitness trainer and some gyms are drug dens.

I do not believe for one minute he got drugs off of the internet. If he had legit pain meds from Kirk why take the Watsons? Unless he knew they were expired and not as powerful and maybe was trying to make it to the next day. This looks bad for Kirk. The doctor is not going down for you.

That's why I said that the script was Kirks and Kirk gave them to Prince, or Prince stole them from Kirk...

LBrent said:

Where besides this forum has it been mentioned that he was having seizures again?

Yes, stop with the seizure talk. That's a rumor that got started here. Don't be putting false information put there. Those drugs are used mainly for anxiety. Just stop please with the seizure disorder and cancer talk already. The truth is out there. Don't muddy it up. He had a pill problem. Don't make it something it wasn't. That alone is a big enough problem. Accept the truth and put your efforts into preventing this from happening to others. He deserves to have someone advocating for him, fighting for him, looking out for him. It would have been hard but he could have beat this. He could have been one of the lucky ones. I'm not mad at Kirk about anything except leaving him alone that night. One of the reasons he went into hide mode is because of the attitudes of his fans. People posting he lived a lie and wasn't what we thought he was. Coming up with crazy theories because they can t accept the simple truth. Speak for yourselves. He lived up to me. He didn't disappoint me. He deserves better than he got. He deserves better than this. The way he died does not define him. The only people taking away from his legacy are people who won't let this go. He would still be here if he felt safe enough to seek help.

Um

If it makes y'all feel better to believe that P "had a pill problem" then by all means, believe that.

Lbrent, seriously-why don't you, in your professional opinion try to clear this up for us. Laura is trying to throw out there that Clonidine was being taken for blood pressure-fact is it CAN be prescribed for blood pressure, or migraine or....wait for it....vomiting/nausea. Valium: CAN be precribed for seizures, more than likely not, and is NORMALLY prescribed for ANXIETY.Ondansetron (Zofran): CAN be prescribed for vomiting/nausea due to chemotherapy, BUT I can attest that my son takes it for diegestive issues AS NEEDED. All of this supposition, and trying to twist this to "cancer", "recurring seizures", "high blood pressure" is DELUSIONAL, being that it is a FACT (according to the warrants) that Prince had "recently gone through withdrawls", the line of thinking is that these meds were prescribed MORE THAN LIKELY for anxiety, and vomiting/nausea due to withdrawls, rather than CANCER, SEIZURES & HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE(?)

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

Okay I see the Doctor did nothing illegal and he never wrote any pain meds for prince just the other Rx for blood pressue and nausea.

If he wrote pain meds for Kirk I wonder if he is abusing the meds and Kirk gave his to Prince on this round

I now I wonder if those Wastson came from Kirk. Remember he is a fitness trainer and some gyms are drug dens.

I do not believe for one minute he got drugs off of the internet. If he had legit pain meds from Kirk why take the Watsons? Unless he knew they were expired and not as powerful and maybe was trying to make it to the next day. This looks bad for Kirk. The doctor is not going down for you.

That's why I said that the script was Kirks and Kirk gave them to Prince, or Prince stole them from Kirk...

Kirk said that the first time he picked up meds under his name was on the 21s but the cops said he had done it on the 7th. I do not think Prince stole them I think these two were both using drugs.

Kirk would know if a whole bottle or some of his pills were missing. He got caught telling a tell to the cops and he came off a a looney tune on CBS.

clonidine, hydroxyzine pamoate and diazepam,

These three meds that were prescribed to Prince can all be used as anixety meds. Is it normal to prescribe 3 at a time to help with addiction and withdrawal?

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

ForeverPaisley said:

Yep, They are pretty much the same thing. I've been prescribed percocet post-surgeries and when went to pick it up from pharmacy was given Oxy.

They are not the same thing.

Percocet is the brand name for oxycodone-acetaminophen, Oxycodone is also the generic name for the brands Dazidox, Endocodone, OxyContin, Roxicodone. They are the same thing

precioux said:

LBrent said:

Um

If it makes y'all feel better to believe that P "had a pill problem" then by all means, believe that.

Lbrent, seriously-why don't you, in your professional opinion try to clear this up for us. Laura is trying to throw out there that Clonidine was being taken for blood pressure-fact is it CAN be prescribed for blood pressure, or migraine or....wait for it....vomiting/nausea. Valium: CAN be precribed for seizures, more than likely not, and is NORMALLY prescribed for ANXIETY.Ondansetron (Zofran): CAN be prescribed for vomiting/nausea due to chemotherapy, BUT I can attest that my son takes it for diegestive issues AS NEEDED. All of this supposition, and trying to twist this to "cancer", "recurring seizures", "high blood pressure" is DELUSIONAL, being that it is a FACT (according to the warrants) that Prince had "recently gone through withdrawls", the line of thinking is that these meds were prescribed MORE THAN LIKELY for anxiety, and vomiting/nausea due to withdrawls, rather than CANCER, SEIZURES & HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE(?)

If you were not so quick to jump up and down you would see I just asked that questions.

These meds have multiple uses and we do not have access to his medical records. He was the one who said he had seziures and I have already provided the links to show that Valium can be used for seziures and pain pills can cause seziures.

Pain pills can cause blood pressure to spike and the nausea drug has other uses as well.

Nothing I have asked is out of the realm of possiblity since we do know that prolonged use of pain meds can cause these health issues. I am not sure why some of you are deligthed to know he was addicted but cannot accept that these side effects of these drugs can caused other problems.

Was Prince immune to the side effects? I think it is strange that he wanted to any thing written under Kirk's name as none are anything embarrasing especially since they have multiple uses and he had already been in the pharmacy previously numerous times.

These are just questions it is almost as if some of you have a narrative in your mind and know one is allowed to say anything otherwise.

[Edited 4/18/17 13:06pm]

PennyPurple said:

LRCdancer88 said:

I know it is a small part of this convo, but ondansetron (aka Zofran) is not for just cancer associated nausea lol. I'm a pediatrician and I prescribe lots of my kiddos small courses of zofran when they're sick with a bug or when they have chronic GI issues. I just didn't want anyone to harp on this too much because it's really probably one of the most frequently prescribed meds imo.

THANK YOU! My son is prescribed this "as needed" for digestive issues. Finally someone can lay this to rest, much appreciated LRC

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

I do not think he would want someone in his personal living space espicallly if he had those pills in his room and he was known to follow people around and do some of his own straightening and cleaning.

I also am sure the police would have interviewed a maid that cleaned his room and it would be in the search warrant. They spoke to the bodyguards so I know they would speak to a maid.

You dont need a search warrant to interview people.

No, you don't...what you need is a lawyer so that you DON'T have to be interviewed, as per KJ after the intitial questioning on 4/21/16

TypoQueen said:

violetpurple said:

On this issue of Prince having cancer, why would anyone think he needed to go through a rehab program, calling Dr. Kornfeld to set it up, if he had a terminal illness. He can take the pills if he has cancer. Never heard of a cancer patient going through opiate rehab. That completely discounts the cancer/terminal illness theory to me.

Agree. Medications like Steroids, antiemetics, chemotherapy etc would all have been found. This was not the case. As for the combo of medication that was found they are medication given for chronic pain and side effects from those drugs. Antiemetics are also given when tapering (weaning) off medications. When on long term medication you have to taper slowly over a long period of time as withdrawals can be painful and dangerous. The medication that was found was not for epileptics.

Another voice of reason!

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[Edited 4/18/17 13:36pm]

BillieBalloon said:

PennyPurple said:

That's why I said that the script was Kirks and Kirk gave them to Prince, or Prince stole them from Kirk...

Kirk is the innocent little Dorothy and evil Prince snuck into his closet and pilfered his pills all the while cackling like the wicked witch from Oz? And where is Toto in all this?

He stole Mayte's pain pills....just sayin....

babynoz said:

donnyenglish said:

I read the warrants and here are my quick thoughts:

1. There is an inconstitency about Kirk's statement that April 20 being the only time that he had gotten prescription drugs in his name before. There were other bottles found with Prince's name on them at Paisley.

2. Who were the other 3 people (6 total) that were there when police arrived?

3. No video surveillance at all at Paisley? That doesn't sound right.

4. There is a discrepancy in the warrants. One says that the only prescription was the April 20th for Oxy that was made out to Kirk to protect Prince's privacy, but the other warrants say that Schulenberg prescribed him 3 medications on April 20 (appears to be two for anxiety and one for nausea). As I said in #1, there are other warrants that say that several bottles with Kirk's name were found at Paisley.

5. Why would Schulenberg prescribe oxy to Prince on April 20 after it was clear that he had a pain pill addiction?

6. Most importantly, what were the inconstistent and contradictory statements that were made by the 3 people ((Kirk, Merone and Kornfeld) at the scene?

THANK YOU FOR READING THE WARRANTS AND COMMENTING APPROPRIATELY BASED ON WHAT WAS ACTUALLY WRITTEN!

You are a credit to mankind.

I am still reading them but the warrants are from several affiants/detectives and I am thinking that one knew of the other prescriptions as time went by that the other was not aware of in the preliminary investigation.

If memory serves, according to a former employee and a couple of celebration attendees, we have heard that P not only had video but he also had audio wired all over PP so that is very suspicious indeed.

Still reading.....to be continued.

this too. i still wonder who had something to gain by providing the mislabeled pills, and taking advantage of an issue prince was known to have... there are far too many weirds in this story

PennyPurple said:

BillieBalloon said:

PennyPurple said: Kirk is the innocent little Dorothy and evil Prince snuck into his closet and pilfered his pills all the while cackling like the wicked witch from Oz? And where is Toto in all this?

He stole Mayte's pain pills....just sayin....

You mean the ones she was stuffing in her mouth.

precioux said:

TypoQueen said:

violetpurple said: Agree. Medications like Steroids, antiemetics, chemotherapy etc would all have been found. This was not the case. As for the combo of medication that was found they are medication given for chronic pain and side effects from those drugs. Antiemetics are also given when tapering (weaning) off medications. When on long term medication you have to taper slowly over a long period of time as withdrawals can be painful and dangerous. The medication that was found was not for epileptics.

Another voice of reason!

diazepam can be used for seizure control. No one has said anything else that was found was for seizures.

XxAxX said:

Identity said:

How can you reason with someone who's doing things like checking out of a hospital mere hours after receiving a "save shot"?
How do you get them to treatment immediately? Someone in his inner circle tried, albeit much too late.

[Edited 4/17/17 13:36pm]

i'm feeling really really really angry with Kirk J right now. i would like to see him pay some kind of price.

but, and this is personal experience, my siblings and i tried to confront a family member about her harmful, violently destructive, blackout drinking and theft of alcohol and sundry from family members last autumn. we felt she was/is headed to her own destruction.

when we took this action she refused to admit she has a problem, she became furiously angry at all of us for meddling, and she hasn't even spoken to me since.... maybe she never will. our intervention (like others over the years) didn't work.

my heart is breaking that Prince was apparently a long term addict. but he did what he did and those who enabled him weren't the ones who made him take that final pill, even if it was mislabeled.

dang this cruel world. i like to think Prince is at peace now. i hope the rest of us can find that too

No proof in these warrents that he was a long term addict (meaning abusing) Even the withdrawals are stated as recent. I am begging to wonder if Kirk was taking advantage or if he has a problem with drugs as well and foolishly mixed up these pills.

In order to say in did something on purpose you have to think about what would he have gained.

I know he lost a job and could lose his home so what would he get out of this tragedy?

In reading the warrants, this stuck out to me.

Prince had no prescriptions issued to him and Kirk Johnson had only one, Oxycodone wich was prescribed on 4/14/16 by Dr. S. the same dr who was at the scene of PP on 4/21/2016 when deputies arrived and the same dr who admitted in a statement to Det. Nelson that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in KJ's name for Prince's privacy.

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So the day Prince overdoses, this Dr. gives Kirk oxy for Prince??? So what did they do, get off the plane and run to the pharmacy? I mean you just OD'd you almost died, and all you can think about is getting more meds?

I don't know about the law in MN, but in MO the drs can no longer call these meds in over the phone, it has to be a written prescription.

...But yet it is "others" on this board that are "spouting nonsene"

disch said:

I don't think he's being "made out to look like some mad junky on the prowl"; that's what YOU think of someone who is struggling with an addiciton but please don't assume that everyone shares that perspective.

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How is "the media" showing "no compassion"? Can you provide examples of media reports that you feel are "compassionless"?

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As for "he had chronic pain" -- as I've said before, we have no facts about the role chronic physical pain played in his life at the end of his life. I know that's a theory you hold (along with the theory that he had epilepsy, cancer, hep c, chronic liver failure, etc. You've touted all of these theories at various points). We don't know if chronic pain played a HUGE role or no role at the end of his life.

laurarichardson said:

He is being made out to look like some mad junky on the prowl and that is not even what you get when you read the warrants.

He had chronic pain and was seeing a doc for withdrawals. He was on his way to a rehab. The media is not showing any compassion

babynoz said:

Mumio said:

So, in spite of what was said that Prince wasn't seeing any doctors, he apparently did so. Would you know if this surgery was done in the US? Why doesn't anyone think he may have been receiving health care outside of the US to maintain his privacy? After all, he had access to a plane and he did have the Turks/Caicos home. He could have very easily had a physician elsewhere. It's not uncommon for celebrities to have care provided in other countries.

Billy Sparks stated that the procedure was done abroad.

so maybe there is a Peter Bravestrong being quietly treated in a private clinic in Switzerland somewhere.... sorry. wishful thinking again, me

laurarichardson said:

No proof in these warrents that he was a long term addict (meaning abusing) Even the withdrawals are stated as recent. I am begging to wonder if Kirk was taking advantage or if he has a problem with drugs as well and foolishly mixed up these pills.

In order to say in did something on purpose you have to think about what would he have gained.

I know he lost a job and could lose his home so what would he get out of this tragedy?

But also, why did he say info / the truth would be locked in his own vault, never to be revealed?

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It suggests there is more to the story than the simple long-standing drug addiction and overdose narrative - because that is more or less all that's out there right now!

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laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

He stole Mayte's pain pills....just sayin....

You mean the ones she was stuffing in her mouth.

I guess she would've had more to stuff in had Prince not stolen them.....

Everybody keeps assuming that he had cancer because he had nausea meds COMMENLY used for people undergoing cancer treatment. A symptom of opioid withdrawal can cause abdominal cramping, nausea, vomiting. Is there possibly another reason why he had nausea other than cancer treatment? Come on folks.

[Edited 4/18/17 13:28pm]

PennyPurple said:

In reading the warrants, this stuck out to me.

Prince had no prescriptions issued to him and Kirk Johnson had only one, Oxycodone wich was prescribed on 4/14/16 by Dr. S. the same dr who was at the scene of PP on 4/21/2016 when deputies arrived and the same dr who admitted in a statement to Det. Nelson that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in KJ's name for Prince's privacy.

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So the day Prince overdoses, this Dr. gives Kirk oxy for Prince??? So what did they do, get off the plane and run to the pharmacy? I mean you just OD'd you almost died, and all you can think about is getting more meds?

I don't know about the law in MN, but in MO the drs can no longer call these meds in over the phone, it has to be a written prescription.

Forgive me, I'm not sure about how time zones work in the USA but the 'plane did its emergency landing during the early hours of April 15th - so, assuming P and his entourage flew into Atlanta on the 14th for the concert that evening, couldn't they have got the meds before they set off???

PennyPurple said: