fortuneandserendipity said:

purplegirl00 said:

You just spoke out loud my thoughts on what happened to Prince.

I may have been the first one to raise possibility of suicide. Can't remember tbh. Got accused of being on a suicide trip by LR... whatever that means. It wasn't one thing that made me think of that tho, there were several coincidences like you say. We only just found out about the u got the look lyrics in the suitcase. Which does seem strange, given how far back the song goes and its popularity. Why would he forget the words? and he had the internet for reference.

I've reread the words to the song. Other than it being in his suitcase/bag, I don't see anything in the words that would give me a clue as to what he could be thinking. But maybe, it's an inside story between him and someone else. What do you think? Also, was it recently written or the original hand written copy? Maybe he was going to sell it?

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different note..... I've alway thought he secretly held some type of ownership in some of the bootleg companies. There is a LOT of music out there! What better way to get around WB?

PennyPurple said:

This is interesting speculation at least.

So you're saying: DARK HUMOR

1- The FLAMING hot CHEETOES may be an inside joke (intended) with regards to P's incineration

2 - "You got that look" (death's door) may be a nod to his health. Must have took a whole hour just to make up his face

3. The elevator/De-Elevator was on purpose

4. Clothes on backwards was not anything unusual. Not an indication of "going the other way" was it?

5. All the references to being "put under" on ART OFFICIAL AGE were in fact references to his dependency.... a dependency "until I find my ...way back home"

6. The references to the "breakdown" were regarding his self

7. HIT n RUN PHASE TWO ends with "THAT'S IT!..." (with several seconds of silence) intentionally calling an end to "the show"

8. the "3rd eye open" avatar was timely for his upcoming phase.

9. The numerous avatars WERE references to stages of his career...and what appears to be his final STAGED photo was IN FACT his final staged photo (beside his piano)

10. Ending where he started (on piano) was YES - A CHALLENGE, but also an homage to his Father.

11. The "cosmic/blotty" kaleidoscope background was a suggestion of an astral change.

Me. I'd always thought that ART OFFICIAL AGE and CAGE were references to things he might have seen that year on tour (2014) in the WELCOME 2 AMERICA bit

I didn't view the concept (whatever that may be) as a strong cohesive one, much like LOVESIGN so I didn't regard it as heavily.... although the 3rd eye was prominent as it always pretty much has in his work (visually)

One thing I did think was too "convenient" was the Niagara Falls and world "celebrations" for "The Queen's" birthday that day.... I thought.... "what a coincidence"... (yeah....right.... either good or bad, this was not a coincidence)

And then the elevator, the April song... Sometime It Snows In April.... and it's DATE of authorship/recording. the 3121 thing someone put together....it was all looking too close to be coincidental...but... I would never figure Prince to go out like that.

still don't (or don't want to believe)

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Ingela said:

I don't think Kirk was anything but a good employee and friend. When you're in that position, the ones you love might be able to convince you to enable them through all types of power and guilt trips on emotions roller coasters. It's a bad situation to be in, but an as an adult, and a man, you should know what has to be done. I don't blame anyone but Prince but everything has consequences.

he'll be in trouble deservedly so if what we're hearing is all true. I don't necessarily see much good about him, and don't care to argue either way. I'll just say, there's a good chance that he'll end up doing a little time. Maybe the doc will too.

BillieBalloon said:

PennyPurple said:

I guess she would've had more to stuff in had Prince not stolen them.....

Who let you out of the book club thread? Please stop derailing this thread. Offtopic

herb4 said:

laytonian said:

laurarichardson said: Please, Laura. We know your heart is in the right place. But there is a problem. Almost everything you claim in this forum is somehow mixed up our flat out wrong. This is harmful because some see you as an authority..

Who?

fortuneandserendipity said:

herb4 said:

Who?

Yah. I mean she's like Vicky Pollard from Little Britain. Has a lot to say but none of it seems to cohere Vicky Pollard was always referencing people but never made any sense.

[Edited 4/18/17 15:31pm]

1/2 of it isn't true, and then when you google something related to Prince, it brings you here to the org. then people see what she has said and thinks it's the truth. And then they wonder why the public is calling him all these things, when they are getting from the internet, which links back here to the ORg.

fortuneandserendipity said:

DD55 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I may have been the first one to raise possibility of suicide. Can't remember tbh. Got accused of being on a suicide trip by LR... whatever that means. It wasn't one thing that made me think of that tho, there were several coincidences like you say. We only just found out about the u got the look lyrics in the suitcase. Which does seem strange, given how far back the song goes and its popularity. Why would he forget the words? and he had the internet for reference.

I've reread the words to the song. Other than it being in his suitcase/bag, I don't see anything in the words that would give me a clue as to what he could be thinking. But maybe, it's an inside story between him and someone else. What do you think? Also, was it recently written or the original hand written copy? Maybe he was going to sell it?

.

different note..... I've alway thought he secretly held some type of ownership in some of the bootleg companies. There is a LOT of music out there! What better way to get around WB?

for me it's the title, ya know, i read this book about a serial killer in my area, it was fascinating because he did what was called "staging a murder scene" meaning leaving clues, hints and taunts to the police about his crime. Just fucking bizarre shit, like putting a pine cone in a victims hands and putting the lid of a can of chips over one eye and turning her head slightly away, a crime writer interpreted it as "in your eye" at the police. Anyway, with Prince, you have the lyrics to lets go crazy which are either prophetic by coincidence, truly prophetic or something he decided to do to taunt us, elevator/pills, now, the lyrics to "u got the look" not necessarily the lyrics but the title. whoever opens up the case they "get a look". Nutty I know but sometimes bright guys will do things like that, the serial killer I mentioned had an iq of 180 and Prince was at the very least a musical genius if not an iq genius, he was plenty intelligent. I think he's fucking with us on his way out just like he always did, leaving plenty of mystery in his wake.

twinnies said:

I know Prince must have been in constant pain, but I'll never believe he committed suicide.

I don't think the killed himself either. He couldn't get the meds legally anymore, he had to turn to the streets, he got a bad batch. I think he would've eventually went to rehab. You never know what you are gonna get with street drugs.

2004Fan said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I may have been the first one to raise possibility of suicide. Can't remember tbh. Got accused of being on a suicide trip by LR... whatever that means. It wasn't one thing that made me think of that tho, there were several coincidences like you say. We only just found out about the u got the look lyrics in the suitcase. Which does seem strange, given how far back the song goes and its popularity. Why would he forget the words? and he had the internet for reference.

I was leaning along those lines myself too up until last Monday. I don't see P doing this voluntarily because of all those bottles lying around. I don't think P would have wanted everybody to know he was addicted to pain pills. He would have gotten rid of almost all of them before ingesting the last one (s) IMHO.

that's the other thing that gets me, so many people say things like "i'll never reveal what I know" so whatever is being concealed, is it worse than being a drug addict? What is the big secret? That's what made me wonder if he had AIDS and just committed suicide rather than die a slow death where he absolutely has no control at all. Just people seem to be ashamed for him (not that aids should be something to be ashamed of).

fortuneandserendipity said:

purplegirl00 said:

You just spoke out loud my thoughts on what happened to Prince.

I may have been the first one to raise possibility of suicide. Can't remember tbh. Got accused of being on a suicide trip by LR... whatever that means. It wasn't one thing that made me think of that tho, there were several coincidences like you say. We only just found out about the u got the look lyrics in the suitcase. Which does seem strange, given how far back the song goes and its popularity. Why would he forget the words? and he had the internet for reference.

I remember. I said early on that I thought he just lost his way. He may have been dealing with physical pain/ chronic illness medicating for that and then he had some personal tragedies hit back to back- death of Kim Upsher in Nov. 2015. Then Bowie's death in which he was very reflective and candid about that at the Piano and Mic PP Gala in January. It was discussed here at length that he mentioned lucid dreams and how he could talk to friends and loved ones that had gone before him. It was said that he was emotional about that. Then on the very first day of the Piano and Mic tour in Australia, Denise (Vanity) passes away. All of that happened in a few short months and really is so much for anyone to deal with absent any underlying illness/issues. Just my opinion.

I don't think anything will be done to Kirk or Dr. S. They both lied on the warrant. Dr. S had his lawyer issue a written statement saying that he didn't prescribe anything for Prince even in Kirk's name. I don't believe Kirk has even been interviewed again since that day, has he?

purplegirl00 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I may have been the first one to raise possibility of suicide. Can't remember tbh. Got accused of being on a suicide trip by LR... whatever that means. It wasn't one thing that made me think of that tho, there were several coincidences like you say. We only just found out about the u got the look lyrics in the suitcase. Which does seem strange, given how far back the song goes and its popularity. Why would he forget the words? and he had the internet for reference.

I remember. I said early on that I thought he just lost his way. He may have been dealing with physical pain/ chronic illness medicating for that and then he had some personal tragedies hit back to back- death of Kim Upsher in Nov. 2015. Then Bowie's death in which he was very reflective and candid about that at the Piano and Mic PP Gala in January. It was discussed here at length that he mentioned lucid dreams and how he could talk to friends and loved ones that had gone before him. It was said that he was emotional about that. Then on the very first day of the Piano and Mic tour in Australia, Denise (Vanity) passes away. All of that happened in a few short months and really is so much for anyone to deal with absent any underlying illness/issues. Just my opinion.

the talking to dead loved ones is also another thing that is common amongst people who are close to death, (not gonna debate if it's real or not but he did acknowledge it).

PennyPurple said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Yah. I mean she's like Vicky Pollard from Little Britain. Has a lot to say but none of it seems to cohere Vicky Pollard was always referencing people but never made any sense.

[Edited 4/18/17 15:31pm]

1/2 of it isn't true, and then when you google something related to Prince, it brings you here to the org. then people see what she has said and thinks it's the truth. And then they wonder why the public is calling him all these things, when they are getting from the internet, which links back here to the ORg.

It all starts with the harpy and her band of merry (wo)men On the other hand, I'm not sure any outsider takes anything said on the org that seriously. It is a fan forum after all. It's not like anyone has genuine inside knowledge.

PeteSilas said:

PeteSilas said:

2004Fan said:

fortuneandserendipity said: I was leaning along those lines myself too up until last Monday. I don't see P doing this voluntarily because of all those bottles lying around. I don't think P would have wanted everybody to know he was addicted to pain pills. He would have gotten rid of almost all of them before ingesting the last one (s) IMHO.

that's the other thing that gets me, so many people say things like "i'll never reveal what I know" so whatever is being concealed, is it worse than being a drug addict? What is the big secret? That's what made me wonder if he had AIDS and just committed suicide rather than die a slow death where he absolutely has no control at all. Just people seem to be ashamed for him (not that aids should be something to be ashamed of).

Of course, drug addiction shouldn't be anything to be ashamed of, either. Just noting in regard to your "is it worse..." comment. I've got a feeling you didn't mean it that way, but just wanted to clarify.

PennyPurple said:

I don't think anything will be done to Kirk or Dr. S. They both lied on the warrant. Dr. S had his lawyer issue a written statement saying that he didn't prescribe anything for Prince even in Kirk's name. I don't believe Kirk has even been interviewed again since that day, has he?

i think they will, it just takes time, how long was it before Murray was sentenced? 3 years? Elvis' doc was tried and the trial was over in 1980, that's at least 2.5 years. Now, if it was you or me dying like that, then no, no one would pay but high profile celebs have people who just love the attention of it all and will do anything to get it.

There are so many sad and haunting things about Prince's death. Why invent even more sad and haunting things? Prince didn't commit suicide. The medical examiner made that determination back in June. Why not accept that and move on from that?

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And as for the idea he had AIDS, cancer, etc.: Keep in mind that the warrants said Prince had no prescriptions in his name, no regular doctor, and nearly all his drugs were black-market opioids. Does any of that make sense for person who's been diagnosed with a potentially terminal illness?

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I'm not trying to rehash a debate about suicide, disease, etc. I'm just curious why -- when there are so many mysteries and tragic aspects to Prince's death -- people want to torture themselves speculating about even MORE tragic scenarios. It's almost like people WANT to find reasons to make themselves crazy over this.

disch said:

There are so many sad and haunting things about Prince's death. Why invent even more sad and haunting things? Prince didn't commit suicide. The medical examiner made that determination back in June. Why not accept that and move on from that?

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And as for the idea he had AIDS, cancer, etc.: Keep in mind that the warrants said Prince had no prescriptions in his name, no regular doctor, and nearly all his drugs were black-market opioids. Does any of that make sense for person who's been diagnosed with a potentially terminal illness?

-

I'm not trying to rehash a debate about suicide, disease, etc. I'm just curious why -- when there are so many mysteries and tragic aspects to Prince's death -- people want to torture themselves speculating about even MORE tragic scenarios. It's almost like people WANT to find reasons to make themselves crazy over this.

Stigma may be one reason.

rednblue said:

PeteSilas said:

that's the other thing that gets me, so many people say things like "i'll never reveal what I know" so whatever is being concealed, is it worse than being a drug addict? What is the big secret? That's what made me wonder if he had AIDS and just committed suicide rather than die a slow death where he absolutely has no control at all. Just people seem to be ashamed for him (not that aids should be something to be ashamed of).

Of course, drug addiction shouldn't be anything to be ashamed of, either. Just noting in regard to your "is it worse..." comment. I've got a feeling you didn't mean it that way, but just wanted to clarify.

it's a touchy subject because i've been accussed of thinking aids was something to be ashamed of before when my own sister died from it. I'm merely stating that the shame of a guy of P's generation would likely be ashamed of it. there was a boxer, tommy morrison, who denied that aids even existed and his shame over it just led to being bedridden a year before he died of it. the shame still lives whether you or i want it to or not. If tommy morrison were here to say what he died of, he'd probably still be in denial and say it was anything but full blown aids. Anyway, sorry folks, I don't want to derail things, we're getting too far off with this but red, my point is, maybe for prince, he would think "well, lots of rockstars od, i can get away with that easily and no one will even question it". One more thing that may or may not be of interest, usually or rather commonly, people who od have all the drugs on the scene cleaned up by the people that find the body's, this couldn't happen with prince because of the situation but he may have wanted pills strewn all over the place who knows.

disch said:

There are so many sad and haunting things about Prince's death. Why invent even more sad and haunting things? Prince didn't commit suicide. The medical examiner made that determination back in June. Why not accept that and move on from that?

-

And as for the idea he had AIDS, cancer, etc.: Keep in mind that the warrants said Prince had no prescriptions in his name, no regular doctor, and nearly all his drugs were black-market opioids. Does any of that make sense for person who's been diagnosed with a potentially terminal illness?

-

I'm not trying to rehash a debate about suicide, disease, etc. I'm just curious why -- when there are so many mysteries and tragic aspects to Prince's death -- people want to torture themselves speculating about even MORE tragic scenarios. It's almost like people WANT to find reasons to make themselves crazy over this.

people always bring up the "expert" when they want to quash this kind of stuff, it's just a lazy way out, experts are proven liars. Bruce lee's coroner lied, liberace's doctor lied, elvis' doctors lied. the "officlal verdict" is still given by humans and humans lie whenever it suits them. So you can believe what you want, I'll be watching this info for the rest of my life. And I hope we get the truth.

I definitely think there is a group of posters here who very much stigmatize drug addiction (I remember a debate last summer here about stigmas around addiction and there were some posters who refused to acknowledge that the stigma is damaging; they implied the stigma should be stronger because abusing drugs is morally revolting to them).

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But for others, I would say, at a certain point your own mental health means that you should accept the facts that are out there -- such as the medical examiner's ruling -- so you can remove at least some "what ifs..." from your ruminations.

rednblue said:

disch said:

There are so many sad and haunting things about Prince's death. Why invent even more sad and haunting things? Prince didn't commit suicide. The medical examiner made that determination back in June. Why not accept that and move on from that?

-

And as for the idea he had AIDS, cancer, etc.: Keep in mind that the warrants said Prince had no prescriptions in his name, no regular doctor, and nearly all his drugs were black-market opioids. Does any of that make sense for person who's been diagnosed with a potentially terminal illness?

-

I'm not trying to rehash a debate about suicide, disease, etc. I'm just curious why -- when there are so many mysteries and tragic aspects to Prince's death -- people want to torture themselves speculating about even MORE tragic scenarios. It's almost like people WANT to find reasons to make themselves crazy over this.

Stigma may be one reason.

fortuneandserendipity said:

PennyPurple said:

1/2 of it isn't true, and then when you google something related to Prince, it brings you here to the org. then people see what she has said and thinks it's the truth. And then they wonder why the public is calling him all these things, when they are getting from the internet, which links back here to the ORg.

It all starts with the harpy and her band of merry (wo)men On the other hand, I'm not sure any outsider takes anything said on the org that seriously. It is a fan forum after all. It's not like anyone has genuine inside knowledge.

who's the 'harpy" laura? just to lighten things up, i'll tell you a story about laura from one of my banned accounts days. she always seemed to make excuses for any wrong doing prince did, every time she'd show up to defend him, and one time I replied to her "you're amazing, i thought of you when I wrote my post and sure enough here you are defending him, you'd defend him if were to pee right on my head wouldn't you" I forget what i was talking about, probably how Prince was dogging someone, which yes, he did a lot.

PeteSilas said:

rednblue said:

Of course, drug addiction shouldn't be anything to be ashamed of, either. Just noting in regard to your "is it worse..." comment. I've got a feeling you didn't mean it that way, but just wanted to clarify.

it's a touchy subject because i've been accussed of thinking aids was something to be ashamed of before when my own sister died from it. I'm merely stating that the shame of a guy of P's generation would likely be ashamed of it. there was a boxer, tommy morrison, who denied that aids even existed and his shame over it just led to being bedridden a year before he died of it. the shame still lives whether you or i want it to or not. If tommy morrison were here to say what he died of, he'd probably still be in denial and say it was anything but full blown aids. Anyway, sorry folks, I don't want to derail things, we're getting too far off with this but red, my point is, maybe for prince, he would think "well, lots of rockstars od, i can get away with that easily and no one will even question it". One more thing that may or may not be of interest, usually or rather commonly, people who od have all the drugs on the scene cleaned up by the people that find the body's, this couldn't happen with prince because of the situation but he may have wanted pills strewn all over the place who knows.

My heart goes out to you, and I appreciate all the heart and wisdom in your words. I learn a lot from your posts, and the perspective that comes from your knowledge of artists and athletes means a lot.

It is easy to imagine many people with AIDS suffering from shame, as if they weren't suffering enough. Terribly sad.

I don't "want to squash it." Believe it or not, I'm not part of some conspiracy here. I just think that people who obsess over conspiracy theories end up harming themselves. Because it never ends and there is no acceptance. I just don't buy the idea that every "expert," such as the medical examiner, is either completely inept at her job, or a consirator. Who benefits from these conspiracy theories, anyway? Not Prince; he's still dead.

PeteSilas said:

disch said:

There are so many sad and haunting things about Prince's death. Why invent even more sad and haunting things? Prince didn't commit suicide. The medical examiner made that determination back in June. Why not accept that and move on from that?

-

And as for the idea he had AIDS, cancer, etc.: Keep in mind that the warrants said Prince had no prescriptions in his name, no regular doctor, and nearly all his drugs were black-market opioids. Does any of that make sense for person who's been diagnosed with a potentially terminal illness?

-

I'm not trying to rehash a debate about suicide, disease, etc. I'm just curious why -- when there are so many mysteries and tragic aspects to Prince's death -- people want to torture themselves speculating about even MORE tragic scenarios. It's almost like people WANT to find reasons to make themselves crazy over this.

people always bring up the "expert" when they want to quash this kind of stuff, it's just a lazy way out, experts are proven liars. Bruce lee's coroner lied, liberace's doctor lied, elvis' doctors lied. the "officlal verdict" is still given by humans and humans lie whenever it suits them. So you can believe what you want, I'll be watching this info for the rest of my life. And I hope we get the truth.

disch said:

I don't "want to squash it." Believe it or not, I'm not part of some conspiracy here. I just think that people who obsess over conspiracy theories end up harming themselves. Because it never ends and there is no acceptance. I just don't buy the idea that every "expert," such as the medical examiner, is either completely inept at her job, or a consirator. Who benefits from these conspiracy theories, anyway? Not Prince; he's still dead.

PeteSilas said:

people always bring up the "expert" when they want to quash this kind of stuff, it's just a lazy way out, experts are proven liars. Bruce lee's coroner lied, liberace's doctor lied, elvis' doctors lied. the "officlal verdict" is still given by humans and humans lie whenever it suits them. So you can believe what you want, I'll be watching this info for the rest of my life. And I hope we get the truth.

brother or sister, i'm not into conspiracy theories, i don't think michael was murdered, i do know that Elvis' death was attempted to be covered up as just a heart attack when everyone in his inner circle knew goddamn good and well he was abusing drugs for years, they tried and they failed because his fans, unlike prince fans, would not have that shit. they wanted and demanded the truth and they got it. In liberace's case, i don't believe the fans had anything to do with it, the coroner in his county wanted the media attention and he was willing to sacrifice liberace's public image to do it, leading to an embarrasing and obviously contemptuous obituary report. I don't want conspiracy, i want the truth, even if prince wouldn't have wanted it, elvis probably didn't want us knowing about his issue either but it's that kind of shame that ruins lives.

rednblue said:

PeteSilas said:

it's a touchy subject because i've been accussed of thinking aids was something to be ashamed of before when my own sister died from it. I'm merely stating that the shame of a guy of P's generation would likely be ashamed of it. there was a boxer, tommy morrison, who denied that aids even existed and his shame over it just led to being bedridden a year before he died of it. the shame still lives whether you or i want it to or not. If tommy morrison were here to say what he died of, he'd probably still be in denial and say it was anything but full blown aids. Anyway, sorry folks, I don't want to derail things, we're getting too far off with this but red, my point is, maybe for prince, he would think "well, lots of rockstars od, i can get away with that easily and no one will even question it". One more thing that may or may not be of interest, usually or rather commonly, people who od have all the drugs on the scene cleaned up by the people that find the body's, this couldn't happen with prince because of the situation but he may have wanted pills strewn all over the place who knows.

My heart goes out to you, and I appreciate all the heart and wisdom in your words. I learn a lot from your posts, and the perspective that comes from your knowledge of artists and athletes means a lot.

It is easy to imagine many people with AIDS suffering from shame, as if they weren't suffering enough. Terribly sad.

thank you and i'm not saying i know anything about what happened, but I'm sure we aren't getting the answers that at least I want. some fans say that we don't deserve an answer, well, if they don't want one, great but that's not how I feel. what is so bad about the truth?

MY Prince - wouldn't commit suicide..

MY PRINCE - wouldn't do drugs or become a religion fanatic either...

SO WHO THE HELL KNOWS??!?!?!?

Maybe MY Prince changed in his latter years?

PeteSilas said:

brother or sister, i'm not into conspiracy theories, i don't think michael was murdered, i do know that Elvis' death was attempted to be covered up as just a heart attack when everyone in his inner circle knew goddamn good and well he was abusing drugs for years, they tried and they failed because his fans, unlike prince fans, would not have that shit. they wanted and demanded the truth and they got it. In liberace's case, i don't believe the fans had anything to do with it, the coroner in his county wanted the media attention and he was willing to sacrifice liberace's public image to do it, leading to an embarrasing and obviously contemptuous obituary report. I don't want conspiracy, i want the truth, even if prince wouldn't have wanted it, elvis probably didn't want us knowing about his issue either but it's that kind of shame that ruins lives.

I don't think Michael was murdered either, Michael was so tolerant to that crap that he needed more and more of it until it overdosed him.

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Elvis was drugs, he may have died from a heart attack on the stool, but that's because his heart stopped working from the OD.

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Prince died from an accidental OD, nobody ever knows what is cut into those darn street drugs. I believe that he eventually would've went to rehab.

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Prince fans are demanding the truth, so why aren't we getting it? Why is the family wanting to tarnish Prince's legacy by having everyone think he was a drughead? Wish they'd come out and just say, he was in pain and got hooked on the darn drug and let's work together against big pharma so this doesn't happen again. That's all it would take.