laurarichardson said:

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Dibblekins said:

PennyPurple said:

In reading the warrants, this stuck out to me.

Prince had no prescriptions issued to him and Kirk Johnson had only one, Oxycodone wich was prescribed on 4/14/16 by Dr. S. the same dr who was at the scene of PP on 4/21/2016 when deputies arrived and the same dr who admitted in a statement to Det. Nelson that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in KJ's name for Prince's privacy.

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So the day Prince overdoses, this Dr. gives Kirk oxy for Prince??? So what did they do, get off the plane and run to the pharmacy? I mean you just OD'd you almost died, and all you can think about is getting more meds?

I don't know about the law in MN, but in MO the drs can no longer call these meds in over the phone, it has to be a written prescription.

Forgive me, I'm not sure about how time zones work in the USA but the 'plane did its emergency landing during the early hours of April 15th - so, assuming P and his entourage flew into Atlanta on the 14th for the concert that evening, couldn't they have got the meds before they set off???

Ok, got it. Thanks. Then they probably did get the meds before they went to Atlanta.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

Exactly! And it is common knowledge-whether or not you're in the medical field, that benzodiazepines, be it Xanax or Valium are prescribed in conjunction with pain meds 9 out of 10 times for anxiety.

Actually it is not common knowledge. What a thing to assume. I asked numerous times would it be normal to prescribe a total of 3 anxiety drugs for a person going thru withdrawal.

Now Dr S is saying he never prescribed any controlled substances to Prince only to Kirk which now makes no sense because Prince was the one going thru the withdrawals.

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It is NOT an assumption, my dear, it's "common knowledge", ESPECIALLY in the medical field. Read reply#846

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

Exactly! And it is common knowledge-whether or not you're in the medical field, that benzodiazepines, be it Xanax or Valium are prescribed in conjunction with pain meds 9 out of 10 times for anxiety.

Actually it is not common knowledge. What a thing to assume. I asked numerous times would it be normal to prescribe a total of 3 anxiety drugs for a person going thru withdrawal.

Now Dr S is saying he never prescribed any controlled substances to Prince only to Kirk which now makes no sense because Prince was the one going thru the withdrawals.

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What was "normal" about Dr. S prescibing P anything under KJ's name????

And you keep repeating there were 3 anxiety drugs Prescibed to P (KJ?), mind elaborating????

XxAxX said:

LBrent said:

BillieBalloon said:

We still dont know who the other 3 people were. Or who Kirk and Meron were texting amd calling at the scene. I wonder if they checked kirks phone records.

In answer to your first question, I should imagine that at least two of those additional three people were paramedics (they arrived on the scene before the police). I've heard say that there was another doctor there (aside from Dr S and Andrew Kornfield) but I don't know how true that is.

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In answer to your other question, yes - there are search warrants there for the mobile phones being used by all parties, as well as ALL network / internet providers in that area.

geez... It's all too much.


When will people stop working with Judith (Judas) Hill ? First Michael, now Prince. Either there's bad juju around that girl or she's a double agent for the big companies. A MASTERMIND!!

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

That's why I said that the script was Kirks and Kirk gave them to Prince, or Prince stole them from Kirk...

Kirk said that the first time he picked up meds under his name was on the 21s but the cops said he had done it on the 7th. I do not think Prince stole them I think these two were both using drugs.

Kirk would know if a whole bottle or some of his pills were missing. He got caught telling a tell to the cops and he came off a a looney tune on CBS.

clonidine, hydroxyzine pamoate and diazepam,

These three meds that were prescribed to Prince can all be used as anixety meds. Is it normal to prescribe 3 at a time to help with addiction and withdrawal?

THere's your supposition!!! I knew you'd expose yourself


IF P was withdrawing, like I've stated before

*Clonidine: Vomiting

*(Zofran) ondansetron: Stomach/ nausea/digestive issues

*Diazepam: Anti anxiety


(I did not see hydroxyzine, I think that was in the Dr's son's backpack?)


*This is more than likely what these meds were used for, NOT 3 anti anxiety meds, you cantradict your own self with your nauseating rhetoric.

You you really feel that "the masses" make a celebrity into a "monster" because they die a substance-related death?

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Do the "masses" think these people are monsters?

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Jim Morrison

Janis Joplin

Elvis Presley

Gram Parsons

Michael Jackson

Amy Winehouse

Health Ledger

Philip Seymour Hoffman

etc etc.?

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Laura, please, again: Don't conflate how YOU feel about people who have serious substance problems (that they're "junkies" at best, "monsters" at worse) with the world at large. I think people are more compassionate that you assume.

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said: The masses aren't going to do any such thing unless you keep throwing it out there. Why even bring up emotional pain? Why did you have to put that out there? Irresponsible to add to the controversy already surrounding this subject. I agree about about addiction as a disease is controversial its but for the sake of argument since the medical community has now accepted it as such I'm just going with that. Call it what you want but when someone is mentally and physically unable to cope without the effects of opiates in their body it doesn't matter the name you give it. It's real and it's devastating to live with such a disability. Treatment doesn't have a great success rate but it can be overcome with lots of support and intervention. It would be nearly impossible to kick it yourself but I imagine most people want to try anyway at least initially. I'm sorry that he was reluctant to seek help. Rehabbing in a facility specializing in opiate addiction can make the experience much more tolerable and successful. I wonder if he was afraid of the publicity or of the loss to his income or maybe both. I can't imagine he didn't know how beloved he was and that the outpouring of support would have been tremendous. I think he felt too responsible for too many people. A man with his resources would have the best chance of recovery. This latest news makes me question his family's concern. It sounds like the people who will inherit what he worked his entire life for basically sat back and let him self destruct. I don't want to feel this way towards them but honestly where were they when he needed them? They didn't shy away from filing their claims as his heirs. Kind of turns my stomach. These are the things we should be concerned about. Not making up pretend scenarios about his health.

Yes, they will just go on the internet today and read the comments on the articles about him.

I do not know why you keep saying he was reluctant to seek help why was in withdrawals and why did he go see Dr. S. and he was he going to go with Dr. K?

He was working and he had concerts lined up until the fall so he obvisouly wanted or felt he needed to work. He never took breaks or a lot of vacations. He worked when his son died, his mom and dad and while divorcing.

If you read Sheila E's book nothing made him not work. I just think he thought he could beat it on his own and he could not. I am with you on his family. I know they have a lot on their plates but they have to fell guilty I mean he took care of them and they are all grown ass adults.

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

BillieBalloon said:

Dibblekins said:

In answer to your first question, I should imagine that at least two of those additional three people were paramedics (they arrived on the scene before the police). I've heard say that there was another doctor there (aside from Dr S and Andrew Kornfield) but I don't know how true that is.

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In answer ok tto your other question, yes - there are search warrants there for the mobile phones being used by all parties, as well as ALL network / internet providers in that area.

Ok, regarding the phone calls they said they had no information about who was being called and messaged.

Yes - they haven't told us of the content of the phone or computer records...All I can say is that the search warrants show that all devices of that nature were confiscated and being checked.

there are always assholes who will call those people druggies and junkies, always. And it will happen and has already happened to prince. Some people are just mean and judgemental and I've said it before, i hate like hell that Prince gave them the ammo to do that to him.

disch said:

You you really feel that "the masses" make a celebrity into a "monster" because they die a substance-related death?

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Do the "masses" think these people are monsters?

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Jim Morrison

Janis Joplin

Elvis Presley

Gram Parsons

Michael Jackson

Amy Winehouse

Health Ledger

Philip Seymour Hoffman

etc etc.?

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Laura, please, again: Don't conflate how YOU feel about people who have serious substance problems (that they're "junkies" at best, "monsters" at worse) with the world at large. I think people are more compassionate that you assume.

laurarichardson said:

Yes, they will just go on the internet today and read the comments on the articles about him.

I do not know why you keep saying he was reluctant to seek help why was in withdrawals and why did he go see Dr. S. and he was he going to go with Dr. K?

He was working and he had concerts lined up until the fall so he obvisouly wanted or felt he needed to work. He never took breaks or a lot of vacations. He worked when his son died, his mom and dad and while divorcing.

If you read Sheila E's book nothing made him not work. I just think he thought he could beat it on his own and he could not. I am with you on his family. I know they have a lot on their plates but they have to fell guilty I mean he took care of them and they are all grown ass adults.

2045RadicalMattZ said:

geez... It's all too much.


When will people stop working with Judith (Judas) Hill ? First Michael, now Prince. Either there's bad juju around that girl or she's a double agent for the big companies. A MASTERMIND!!

strange isn't it? Imagine how lisa marie felt when Michael died just like her daddy.

Sure, there are judgmental assholes who call lots of people lots of things; such is life (you think that during his life some people didn't call Prince a crazy nutjob, especially during his whole name-change era?)

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But I don't think there's a general pattern of talented celebrities, especially rock stars, being summarily rejected by the public simply because they died a substance-related death. There's just no evidence of that happening (in fact, I'd argue that some rock stars' persona was amplified BECAUSE of their death).

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So of all the things to feel bad about Prince's death -- and there are a lot! -- I don't think mass public rejection of him simply because he had a substance problem is one of them.

PeteSilas said:

there are always assholes who will call those people druggies and junkies, always. And it will happen and has already happened to prince. Some people are just mean and judgemental and I've said it before, i hate like hell that Prince gave them the ammo to do that to him.

disch said:

You you really feel that "the masses" make a celebrity into a "monster" because they die a substance-related death?

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Do the "masses" think these people are monsters?

-

Jim Morrison

Janis Joplin

Elvis Presley

Gram Parsons

Michael Jackson

Amy Winehouse

Health Ledger

Philip Seymour Hoffman

etc etc.?

-

Laura, please, again: Don't conflate how YOU feel about people who have serious substance problems (that they're "junkies" at best, "monsters" at worse) with the world at large. I think people are more compassionate that you assume.

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laytonian said:

laurarichardson said:

What about the Diapzham which is Vicodin but remember Dr. S had no background in addiction mgmt but he was listed as a critical care patient on at least one website.

Please, Laura. We know your heart is in the right place. But there is a problem. Almost everything you claim in this forum is somehow mixed up our flat out wrong. This is harmful because some see you as an authority..

Who?

BillieBalloon said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

geez... It's all too much.


When will people stop working with Judith (Judas) Hill ? First Michael, now Prince. Either there's bad juju around that girl or she's a double agent for the big companies. A MASTERMIND!!

Burn her at the stake? I just dont get this mentality, Judith isnt responsible for Princes death.

just trying to put some humor in it... But seriously.... please don't let her tour with Stevie Wonder, let alone SING with him. I fear for everybody else. Maybe she's got a dope fiend brother... (just kiddin)

But IF I wanted to fan the flames of controversy... Wouldn't a female lover/companion be the first to screw someone's life up and say "SEE?! I told you so! You NEED ME... you wouldn't have made it off that plane without me!" (one again...probably just fitting in a bad girlfriend of mine's personality into this) Something of a dependency issue. But that's probably more suited to a dimestore novel than reality.

Procuring street drugs when he was seen getting pharmaceuticals... that's the most horrible part. It could have been avoided. Why the street drugs? Supposing the TMZ report was true that they'd gone around trying to fill a prescription *that wasn't "fillable" [i.e.. restricted doses/amount] where would they turn to next?

FIRST, MY guess would be another performer with similar issues.

A SECOND guess would be a relative with pain needs,

a THIRD guess would be a dealer.

Why would Prince "trust" a street dealer.

BUT, we are not privy to this situation, nor the information. It's such a sad way to end up. In a way you kinda hope it was self planned. But I seriously seriously doubt it with all his further plans and the graphic work apparently all done for future "PHASE" albums.

In the end...all things must be considered. That's why I still read these threads. I was not hip to all the comings and goings this past year. I had lost "as much" interest in the project with 3rdEyeGirl... didn't feel they gelled right

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nelcp777 said:

one thing for goddamn sure, prince was never ever publicly sloppy like jim morrison or amy or any of the rest, that's why laura and I might see a little problem with all this. I'm still thinking he just committed suicide because he was sick of the pain, whatever the cause. I still think we don't have any answers, we're just doing more of what we've been doing the past year so I'm skipping most of these posts.

disch said:

Sure, there are judgmental assholes who call lots of people lots of things; such is life (you think that during his life some people didn't call Prince a crazy nutjob, especially during his whole name-change era?)

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But I don't think there's a general pattern of talented celebrities, especially rock stars, being summarily rejected by the public simply because they died a substance-related death. There's just no evidence of that happening (in fact, I'd argue that some rock stars' persona was amplified BECAUSE of their death).

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So of all the things to feel bad about Prince's death -- and there are a lot! -- I don't think mass public rejection of him simply because he had a substance problem is one of them.

PeteSilas said:

there are always assholes who will call those people druggies and junkies, always. And it will happen and has already happened to prince. Some people are just mean and judgemental and I've said it before, i hate like hell that Prince gave them the ammo to do that to him.

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herb4 said:

laytonian said:

laurarichardson said: Please, Laura. We know your heart is in the right place. But there is a problem. Almost everything you claim in this forum is somehow mixed up our flat out wrong. This is harmful because some see you as an authority..

Who?

Yah. I mean she's like Vicky Pollard from Little Britain. Has a lot to say but none of it seems to cohere Vicky Pollard was always referencing people but never made any sense.

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PennyPurple said:

BillieBalloon said:

PennyPurple said: Kirk is the innocent little Dorothy and evil Prince snuck into his closet and pilfered his pills all the while cackling like the wicked witch from Oz? And where is Toto in all this?

He stole Mayte's pain pills....just sayin....

Sorry, but what exactly do you find funny about any of this?

No matter WHAT you think on this issue or things or reasons it all happened the FACT is that the desire and effort to cover and keep him so private and secretive by all involved respect of privacy, is basically the reason he is dead. So we can go back and forth with blame, but I keep hearing he was private we kept on the DL, well here is where we are because of that. The fact is also that "this fear of it getting out that he had an addiction" could have really been kept quiet, there have been MANY that have gone off and rehabbed different things and no one knew till they wrote a biography a decade later.

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

Another voice of reason!

diazepam can be used for seizure control. No one has said anything else that was found was for seizures.

Actually it was mentioned on page 6 of the warrant for the backpack, labeled index 5 where they questioned Andrew Kornfield about the purpose for some of the pills.


"Andrew disclosed he had some pills with him. He told your Affiant he had some buprenorphine(sp?). He told your Affiant the drug is used for opiate addicts. He told your Affiant he had a little adovan, which he said is like a benzodiazepine, to be used if someone was having a seizure, infront of him. He also had an anti-nausea suppository, if someone were puking. I asked if theywere controlled medications. He admitted they were"