laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Get back on your meds and back away from the computer. Grown people are discussing grown up things it is too much for you to comprehend

Projection

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

Or it could be this. Check out reply # 1. At that time we all saw it as gossip. His associates keep saying we do not know the whole story. Maybe this is the missing piece.

http://prince.org/msg/5001/44054

Thanks for the link. This could still be gossip. Also, the poster states Prince was out of it and wearing shades during a press conference, perhaps alluding to drugs? Again, still could be gossip.

"In regaurds to the hospital stay part of this thread... my mother's friend who is a dietician said that Prince had a stay at the hospital she works at here in central Cali. It turns out that he suffers from hepetitas C. She told my mom that she has to let every patient know what to eat the get them back to good health. She came across Prince's name and thought she had to see for her-self if it was him. She went on to say that he had security out side his door and they wouldn't let her in. She demanded that she speak with him cuz it was her job to visit every patient. They let her in and she said he was small, big head, no make-up and all lips! Not to mention the fact that he was sleeping so she never got to speak with him. The trippy thing about it was that this took place around the time this thread mentions his hospital stay. Only it was right before he announced his Jam of the Year world tour. I remember that press conference also. He was like out of it! He even had shades on which he always wears, but there was one or two times someone to the side of him had to remind him what to say. This was days after his stay in central Cali. My mom's friend said that they moved him to a hospital closer to home and that the only reason he was here in cental Cali was cuz they wanted to keep it on the down low. I dont know. By the way, it was in Visalia, Ca., 40 miles south of Fresno, Ca.
Klick2me"

Wow, thanks for sharing MMJas!

Mintchip said:

Given the circumstances around his death and previous overdose, I'd guess that his last day was spent craving, resisting, rationalizing, finding, and consuming drugs, one last time, before the suboxone cavalry arrived the next day. . Just a guess, of course

Yep. Sad, but very likely nonetheless.

[Edited 4/14/17 23:17pm]

T84 said:

I truly think his death was accidental. Anyone trying to present some conspiracy theory about what happened on that day is just one's way of coping, even if it's purely BS. Let Prince rest.

Ignorance is bliss is the only thing that comes to mind regarding the conspiracy theorists.

purplethunder3121 said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

nelcp777 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

oscarchristio777 said: Prince going to the garage to get to his car implies he may have felt the need to get out. Him being found with his clothes on backwards is disturbing, he would not have done that. And if was was going to go to the other side doubt he would have been going down in an elevator. [Edited 4/11/17 9:02am]

The clothes backwards could have been a simple mistake of the "unnamed source". Prince's clothes were custom made, so the source could have gotten the information wrong. I am not keen on Prince' s clothes, but from my understanding, he did not like pockets, which also contradicts the bottle of percocet information. The pants may not have had a zipper. The socks, maybe Prince just put them on inside out accidentally.

From my understanding, the amount of fentanyl would have killed someone 5 times Prince's size or 5 people, I honestly cannot recall the comparison.

I am inclined to believe, that Prince was done whatever he was either doing in the studio, downstairs or in the living quarters. He got in the elvevator (either up or down), took a pill either prior to entry or in the elevator, had zero time to react or get help and unfortunately passed from the pill.

Pure speculation on my end. The clothes leak has bothered me. That was "leaked " for a reason in my opinion. Why? I do not know. Was it to catch up someone who was interviewed already to see if they contradict their story?

If Prince was not dressed when he was found, someone could have covered him with a blanket and not dresss him. It is a frustrating leak to figure out or make sense of.

not to diss, but didn't a few of his assistants say that P had them go to the department store to pick up clothing in the boys department for him? perhaps that is what he was wearing on that horrible night.

oscarchristio777 said:

Strive said:

Just because there wasn't an explicit note saying 'i've decided to kill myself. goodbye', doesn't mean it was an accident.

Ultimately the truth died with Prince but the fact he was struggling with a drug problem for years, overdosed five days earlier and had such an large amount of drugs in his system at the time of his death (coincidentally hours before an addiction specialist his friends requested was set to arrive) along with the location where he was found makes me think it was deliberate.

Unless there's other overdoses we don't know about.

If we consider that idea.

One thing that doesnt make sense is him being found in an elevator with his clothes on back the front.

Him being in the elevator with clothes on backwards gives the impression he was trying to do something or get somewhere.

If he was intent on breaking on through to the other side why would he suddenly decide to get dressed and go somewhere.

Or, alternatively, the clothes were on backwards from the day before.
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Remember, he was found wearing the same clothes he was wearing when he went for his medical appointment with Dr S the previous day (20th April).

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What if he had an examination at the medical office, and threw his clothes on backwards / inside out in his hurry to get out of there? Lord knows, I've got home from medical examinations, only to find my knickers on inside out - just by way of an example.
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Obviously, I don't know any more than anyone else - but I'm just throwing another possibility into the mix!

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Dibblekins said:

oscarchristio777 said:

If we consider that idea.

One thing that doesnt make sense is him being found in an elevator with his clothes on back the front.

Him being in the elevator with clothes on backwards gives the impression he was trying to do something or get somewhere.

If he was intent on breaking on through to the other side why would he suddenly decide to get dressed and go somewhere.

Or, alternatively, the clothes were on backwards from the day before.
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Remember, he was found wearing the same clothes he was wearing when he went for his medical appointment with Dr S the previous day (20th April).

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What if he had an examination at the medical office, and threw his clothes on backwards / inside out in his hurry to get out of there? Lord knows, I've got home from medical examinations, only to find my knickers on inside out - just by way of an example.
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Obviously, I don't know any more than anyone else - but I'm just throwing another possibility into the mix!

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I think he had a rack of black clothes. All you saw him wearing in his last year was black. I think the black clothes symbolized something not so much them being on backward.

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

Or, alternatively, the clothes were on backwards from the day before.
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Remember, he was found wearing the same clothes he was wearing when he went for his medical appointment with Dr S the previous day (20th April).

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What if he had an examination at the medical office, and threw his clothes on backwards / inside out in his hurry to get out of there? Lord knows, I've got home from medical examinations, only to find my knickers on inside out - just by way of an example.
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Obviously, I don't know any more than anyone else - but I'm just throwing another possibility into the mix!

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I think he had a rack of black clothes. All you saw him wearing in his last year was black. I think the black clothes symbolized something not so much them being on backward.

Indeed.
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Also, with regard to the Hep C thread you posted, I think a few of us had mentioned that he seemed 'sallow' in recent pictures (by 'sallow', I mean his skin had a yellow-ish tinge). I have no idea if the Hep C comments are true or not (obviously) but I've maintained all along that it is my belief his liver could have been damaged in some way - perhaps as a result of pain medication, perhaps as a result of some other condition. (I seem to recall reading of his having intravenous treament in hospital at some point - which can be connected to liver disease). Liver problems woudn't necessarily get a mention in a brief autopsy press-release because it may not have been the direct causal factor in his death.

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Dibblekins said:

laurarichardson said:

I think he had a rack of black clothes. All you saw him wearing in his last year was black. I think the black clothes symbolized something not so much them being on backward.

Indeed.
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Also, with regard to the Hep C thread you posted, I think a few of us had mentioned that he seemed 'sallow' in recent pictures (by 'sallow', I mean his skin had a yellow-ish tinge). I have no idea if the Hep C comments are true or not (obviously) but I've maintained all along that it is my belief his liver could have been damaged in some way - perhaps as a result of pain medication, perhaps as a result of some other condition. (I seem to recall reading of his having intravenous treament in hospital at some point - which can be connected to liver disease). Liver problems woudn't necessarily get a mention in a brief autopsy press-release because it may not have been the direct causal factor in his death.

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I agree with you. Liver issues can be prolonged with better meds that are now avalible but you need a transplant or your body could be in such bad shape that you cannot get a transplant.

He would have also had to stop taking any sort of pain meds immediatly which might explain the stories about seeing Dr. S for withdrawals. He would have had to go cold turkey which from I understand can be impossible.

We also know that unless other health issues causes his death they are not going to be on the short report.

He was going to the pharmacy for a year picking up meds that were not for controlled substances so he was getting meds for something.

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

Indeed.
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Also, with regard to the Hep C thread you posted, I think a few of us had mentioned that he seemed 'sallow' in recent pictures (by 'sallow', I mean his skin had a yellow-ish tinge). I have no idea if the Hep C comments are true or not (obviously) but I've maintained all along that it is my belief his liver could have been damaged in some way - perhaps as a result of pain medication, perhaps as a result of some other condition. (I seem to recall reading of his having intravenous treament in hospital at some point - which can be connected to liver disease). Liver problems woudn't necessarily get a mention in a brief autopsy press-release because it may not have been the direct causal factor in his death.

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I agree with you. Liver issues can be prolonged with better meds that are now avalible but you need a transplant or your body could be in such bad shape that you cannot get a transplant.

He would have also had to stop taking any sort of pain meds immediatly which might explain the stories about seeing Dr. S for withdrawals. He would have had to go cold turkey which from I understand can be impossible.

We also know that unless other health issues causes his death they are not going to be on the short report.

He was going to the pharmacy for a year picking up meds that were not for controlled substances so he was getting meds for something.

Im suprised that no one from the Pharmacy has leaked anything about this? Someone there knows what he was collecting and yet they are keepin hush...

Lovejunky said:

laurarichardson said:

I agree with you. Liver issues can be prolonged with better meds that are now avalible but you need a transplant or your body could be in such bad shape that you cannot get a transplant.

He would have also had to stop taking any sort of pain meds immediatly which might explain the stories about seeing Dr. S for withdrawals. He would have had to go cold turkey which from I understand can be impossible.

We also know that unless other health issues causes his death they are not going to be on the short report.

He was going to the pharmacy for a year picking up meds that were not for controlled substances so he was getting meds for something.

Im suprised that no one from the Pharmacy has leaked anything about this? Someone there knows what he was collecting and yet they are keepin hush...

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Violates HIPPA laws and Walgreen would face hefty fines. I also suspect the police have confiscated all of his records and they are now a part of the investigation file. I am sure if the full file is ever releashed medical information will redacted.

Lovejunky said:

laurarichardson said:

I agree with you. Liver issues can be prolonged with better meds that are now avalible but you need a transplant or your body could be in such bad shape that you cannot get a transplant.

He would have also had to stop taking any sort of pain meds immediatly which might explain the stories about seeing Dr. S for withdrawals. He would have had to go cold turkey which from I understand can be impossible.

We also know that unless other health issues causes his death they are not going to be on the short report.

He was going to the pharmacy for a year picking up meds that were not for controlled substances so he was getting meds for something.

Im suprised that no one from the Pharmacy has leaked anything about this? Someone there knows what he was collecting and yet they are keepin hush...

See below drug that is used for hep is interferon which was used at one time for AIDS. This could be the reason those stories were out and then vanished.

http://www.healthline.com...rm-effects

The side effect for this stuff is pretty bad just like pain meds.

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said:

Im suprised that no one from the Pharmacy has leaked anything about this? Someone there knows what he was collecting and yet they are keepin hush...

See below drug that is used for hep is interferon which was used at one time for AIDS. This could be the reason those stories were out and then vanished.

http://www.healthline.com...rm-effects

The side effect for this stuff is pretty bad just like pain meds.

Am I wrong in thinking that a pharmacy employee DID speak out either in relation to rumours before his death, or shortly afterwards?

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

Indeed.
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Also, with regard to the Hep C thread you posted, I think a few of us had mentioned that he seemed 'sallow' in recent pictures (by 'sallow', I mean his skin had a yellow-ish tinge). I have no idea if the Hep C comments are true or not (obviously) but I've maintained all along that it is my belief his liver could have been damaged in some way - perhaps as a result of pain medication, perhaps as a result of some other condition. (I seem to recall reading of his having intravenous treament in hospital at some point - which can be connected to liver disease). Liver problems woudn't necessarily get a mention in a brief autopsy press-release because it may not have been the direct causal factor in his death.

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I agree with you. Liver issues can be prolonged with better meds that are now avalible but you need a transplant or your body could be in such bad shape that you cannot get a transplant.

He would have also had to stop taking any sort of pain meds immediatly which might explain the stories about seeing Dr. S for withdrawals. He would have had to go cold turkey which from I understand can be impossible.

We also know that unless other health issues causes his death they are not going to be on the short report.

He was going to the pharmacy for a year picking up meds that were not for controlled substances so he was getting meds for something.

Yes, Laura, the picture does slowly seem to be pulling into focus. Tragic.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

I agree with you. Liver issues can be prolonged with better meds that are now avalible but you need a transplant or your body could be in such bad shape that you cannot get a transplant.

He would have also had to stop taking any sort of pain meds immediatly which might explain the stories about seeing Dr. S for withdrawals. He would have had to go cold turkey which from I understand can be impossible.

We also know that unless other health issues causes his death they are not going to be on the short report.

He was going to the pharmacy for a year picking up meds that were not for controlled substances so he was getting meds for something.

Yes, Laura, the picture does slowly seem to be pulling into focus. Tragic.

Well now we are finding out the doctor wrote Rxs for oxycodone under Kirk's name to protect his privacy but the question is why. Was the doctor writing it for a legit reason or was the doctor just getting paid to give him drugs. If so why has the doctor not be arrested.

Could it be because Prince had a legitmit reason to been given a pain killer and just started taking to much and because hooked on them.

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Yes, Laura, the picture does slowly seem to be pulling into focus. Tragic.

Well now we are finding out the doctor wrote Rxs for oxycodone under Kirk's name to protect his privacy but the question is why. Was the doctor writing it for a legit reason or was the doctor just getting paid to give him drugs. If so why has the doctor not be arrested.

Could it be because Prince had a legitmit reason to been given a pain killer and just started taking to much and because hooked on them.

Unbelievable.

muleFunk said:

rap said:

They're both important. I find it hard to belive it's still ongoing ... Is the local sherrif's department incompetent?

Prince took medication that he thought was something else.... that's murder folks.

Was it by omission or comission ? That's the only question here.

Is it murder in the classical sense? No, BUT still murder.

I agree, Prince never had a chance, because the laced pill was so deadly, no escaping. The question remains, how those pills got in those bottles. Who obtained them, who put them there. Was it just bad street material or deliberate placement. Maybe he could have overcome an addiction to painkillers, if treated properly, but all was done very unprofessionally. Withdrawals at home, nobody that really took care of him and even, in my opinion, nobody seemed to really have cared. They just watched him going down, without really taking action. The man almost died a couple of days ago, and still nobody was around to watch over him.

IamBryan said:

Honestly, 11 months later, I am still mad, still angry, still confused on how and why this happened... I am sure some here will give me grief on this post here... Please know it's not my intention to make anyone upset or trying to solve what happened on that day... I don't feel Prince was an a drug addict, though I feel he was a "reckless" drug user...

Contrary what his sister says (truth be told was absent for many of the final years of his life, not seen or mentioned by Prince, so when she says, he told her her, he has done all he was put here to do...i am calling bullshit)... What we know, that he allegedly OD on a plane, given the save shot and was brought back...close associates says he was in grave danger, but yet, Prince lived his last few days normally, riding a bike, making appearances, going to the record store, etc...

We know on April 20th, he outside Wallgreens waiting for what we can guess a prescription...for what we don't really know.... he comes home to PP around 8pm and that's the last he's seen... I don't think Prince truly wanted to die, he could of done this allot sooner, reason i think Tyka is lying...

I just can't help but think what was he doing when he got home on the 20th? I mean he was found in the same clothes the next day? Did he know he was in trouble after the final dose?? do you think he was going for help while he was in the elevator??

I guess, i am still in the denial phase of all of this... Just looking to understand...

Please be nice...

[Edited 3/27/17 18:06pm]

Hi just to let you know, you are not the only one feeling this way and having a hard time coming to terms with what happened.

I think he just had a normal evening, wrote some mails, did some phone calls (from what we know) and at some stage popped that deadly pill. I am not a doctor, but according to what was written in the press, the pill contained enough fentanyl to kill 5 men. I dont think with such a strong dose, you still have time to do anything, or even call for help, it will just hit you immediately. I think he just passed out immediately after taking that pill.

angel22 said:

IamBryan said:

Honestly, 11 months later, I am still mad, still angry, still confused on how and why this happened... I am sure some here will give me grief on this post here... Please know it's not my intention to make anyone upset or trying to solve what happened on that day... I don't feel Prince was an a drug addict, though I feel he was a "reckless" drug user...

Contrary what his sister says (truth be told was absent for many of the final years of his life, not seen or mentioned by Prince, so when she says, he told her her, he has done all he was put here to do...i am calling bullshit)... What we know, that he allegedly OD on a plane, given the save shot and was brought back...close associates says he was in grave danger, but yet, Prince lived his last few days normally, riding a bike, making appearances, going to the record store, etc...

We know on April 20th, he outside Wallgreens waiting for what we can guess a prescription...for what we don't really know.... he comes home to PP around 8pm and that's the last he's seen... I don't think Prince truly wanted to die, he could of done this allot sooner, reason i think Tyka is lying...

I just can't help but think what was he doing when he got home on the 20th? I mean he was found in the same clothes the next day? Did he know he was in trouble after the final dose?? do you think he was going for help while he was in the elevator??

I guess, i am still in the denial phase of all of this... Just looking to understand...

Please be nice...

[Edited 3/27/17 18:06pm]

Help. That's what I reckon was going through his mind. Help.

Im really curious about the rest of the pills found. We know the one that killed him had the Fentanyl in it. What about the other pills found laying around? Have any of those tested positive for Fentanyl? What are the odds that just that ONE pill... was the only one?? If it was, that's even more tragic. Sounds like he was trying to get help, as that Dr. from California showed up that morning. If maybe he would have just taken a different pill, grabbed a different one out of the bottle even..not that ONE....everything may have been totally different. Wouldn't have died. Would have gotten help and been free of addiction by now. Who knows!?! So many scenerios and "what if's". Just sad that he was SOOO close to maybe being ok...just a day away.

ksl1974 said:

Im really curious about the rest of the pills found. We know the one that killed him had the Fentanyl in it. What about the other pills found laying around? Have any of those tested positive for Fentanyl? What are the odds that just that ONE pill... was the only one?? If it was, that's even more tragic. Sounds like he was trying to get help, as that Dr. from California showed up that morning. If maybe he would have just taken a different pill, grabbed a different one out of the bottle even..not that ONE....everything may have been totally different. Wouldn't have died. Would have gotten help and been free of addiction by now. Who knows!?! So many scenerios and "what if's". Just sad that he was SOOO close to maybe being ok...just a day away.

From my understanding, and I could be wrong, an unnamed source said that about a dozen of pills that were tested had fentanyl in them. I could be wrong.

nelcp777 said:

ksl1974 said:

Im really curious about the rest of the pills found. We know the one that killed him had the Fentanyl in it. What about the other pills found laying around? Have any of those tested positive for Fentanyl? What are the odds that just that ONE pill... was the only one?? If it was, that's even more tragic. Sounds like he was trying to get help, as that Dr. from California showed up that morning. If maybe he would have just taken a different pill, grabbed a different one out of the bottle even..not that ONE....everything may have been totally different. Wouldn't have died. Would have gotten help and been free of addiction by now. Who knows!?! So many scenerios and "what if's". Just sad that he was SOOO close to maybe being ok...just a day away.

From my understanding, and I could be wrong, an unnamed source said that about a dozen of pills that were tested had fentanyl in them. I could be wrong.

Ok, I hadn't ever heard either way on that! I've just heard all (well at least some of) the hydrocodone pills were in Kirk's name, but nothing about any other Fentanyl pills. There's so many stories out there though, it's hard to say!

Given that he may have been dead before midnight (thus expiring on 4/20), perhaps nothing.

Otherwise,

Oh, shit - what did I just take?

[Edited 4/27/17 13:17pm]

ksl1974 said:

Genesia said:

Given that he may have been dead before midnight (thus expiring on 4/20), perhaps nothing.

Otherwise,

Oh, shit - what did I just take?

[Edited 4/27/17 13:17pm]

No time to get to put money in the swear box for thinking "shit!" either. Grim..I know.