zenarose said:

MMJas said:

Zena, you know I respect you a lot. I also respect Laura, I have never had any problems with Laura and unlike some people complaint about with regards to their own personal experience with her, we have had cordial interactions and discussions on here even though we sometimes have totally antagonic views. So let me just ask this, and bear in mind I'm not advocating one thing or another, simply keeping an open mind about it: the same way Prince could have been seriously ill he could have been seriously addicted to painkillers withough necessarily having to be "whacked out of his head" and his associates are just respecting his privacy either way, don't you agree? That's all that I'm saying. It could be one thing or the other, hell, it could even be both!
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My stepmother is an alcoholic. She never acnowledged it and she has a steady job which she has done for the past 40 years! Because she is so in control of things and manages to do just fine regardless of her adiction problem, nobody does a thing about it. It seems she only lets herself loose control is after the job is done and she's at home. My dad is the only witness to this and if he had not told me how hard it is to live with this type of alcoholic, we would never have known.

[Edited 4/10/17 8:18am]

My take on this is that none of us know. The fact that people are so easily accepting what the media says without question is overwhelming to me. What are they basing their conclusions on??? That the media is always straight forward and reports only truth?? If the media prints or reports something and later they find it was false print a retraction??? We know all that is BS All I am saying is that we don't know and I feel like P is being falsely labeled. I know that you (MMJas) are open minded and that you like myself are searching for the truth. We have been down many roads in the discussions on threads. I respect your thoughts and you have several times been the fuel for my continuous research of many things. 😃

You hit the nail on the head. NOTHING about Prince's death has been simple. To be honest, it seems every few weeks we get new revelations about it some of which give me a bad feeling to my stomach. But no, don't bother the 'Prince died of an OD, forget it and move on' crowd (who continue to read endless pages of threads about his death) I'm glad some people have moved on, but that doesn't mean the case on P's death is over. Some ppl on here ALREADY have a narrative in their mind of what happened and it's funny because they'll shit on everyone else for being 'conspiracy theorists' while they themselves answer questions about it as if they know. I respect all my fellow P fans but I sometimes get the feeling that a few of the ppl on here are not as sincere as they may seem... some of the angry insistence that we move on from P's death and then other people who call him crazy and stan for Warner Bros/Kirk/ whoever else and demand we stop inquiring about the diff ppl there even though it's an ongoing investigation... like they're on here for a reason. this wouldn't happen on a mj or madonna forum that's all . enough conspiracies for todau

CharismaDove said:

You hit the nail on the head. NOTHING about Prince's death has been simple. To be honest, it seems every few weeks we get new revelations about it some of which give me a bad feeling to my stomach. But no, don't bother the 'Prince died of an OD, forget it and move on' crowd (who continue to read endless pages of threads about his death) I'm glad some people have moved on, but that doesn't mean the case on P's death is over. Some ppl on here ALREADY have a narrative in their mind of what happened and it's funny because they'll shit on everyone else for being 'conspiracy theorists' while they themselves answer questions about it as if they know. I respect all my fellow P fans but I sometimes get the feeling that a few of the ppl on here are not as sincere as they may seem... some of the angry insistence that we move on from P's death and then other people who call him crazy and stan for Warner Bros/Kirk/ whoever else and demand we stop inquiring about the diff ppl there even though it's an ongoing investigation... like they're on here for a reason. this wouldn't happen on a mj or madonna forum that's all . enough conspiracies for todau

I disagree. Haven't seen that much of an insistence that we move on from Prince's death. In fact, that's the thing that binds us all, still wanting to know what happened.

Mintchip said:

Given the circumstances around his death and previous overdose, I'd guess that his last day was spent craving, resisting, rationalizing, finding, and consuming drugs, one last time, before the suboxone cavalry arrived the next day. . Just a guess, of course

All the while taking care of business and making calls?

I truly think his death was accidental. Anyone trying to present some conspiracy theory about what happened on that day is just one's way of coping, even if it's purely BS. Let Prince rest.

T84 said:

I truly think his death was accidental. Anyone trying to present some conspiracy theory about what happened on that day is just one's way of coping, even if it's purely BS. Let Prince rest.

Another person saying we should move on

phatphuk said:

disch said:

I imagine some people have such deeply held prejudices and stereotypes about pepole struggling with addiction that it's hard to alter those at all. I guess there's a normal human impulse to rank people in a variety of ways, and in some people's rank order, addiction means that someone a bad, unworthy person deserving of society's contempt.

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I also think some people tend to project their own experience -- "I took prescribed opioids this one time and hoo-boy did they knock me!" -- onto other people generally. And in the case of Prince, people forget that he was a professional performer. The best performer in the world. And that means projecting a certain image despite whatever physical or emotional struggles he had going on.

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So when people say, "He couldn't have been in withdrwawal! He appeared in front of his paisley park party for 15 minutes a few days before he died and he didn't fall over!" or "He couldn't have been dependent on opioids! He did a bunch of Piano and Microphone shows!" they're projection how THEY would have been able to deal with such situations. Not how the greatest performer in the world did.

MMJas said:

disch said:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-act-violence/201402/the-opiate-addict-in-your-office - "The depiction of the opiate addict as unemployed, homeless, or hustling to buy dope by doing street crimes, certainly has its place in society and our history, since opium and heroin became pervasive in the US in the 1900s. But there are far more opiate abusers who have jobs, families, and even an outwardly-displayed sense of stability. Their hidden secret is what ultimately kills them if they don’t reach out for treatment before they overdose for the last time."

Why is this so hard to accept? Are people worried they might think less of Prince for it? Then that's a problem, I can understand that. Personally, I'm open to this possibility. There are as many signs of this as of a possible illness, so why not even consider it?

I Tivoed a documentary a few weeks ago that discussed the role pilot error most likely played in the mysterious disappearance of Flight 19 in The Bermuda Triangle in 1945.

That documentary offered the most convincincing, most scientifically-analytical explanation that I've ever heard, of what most likely happened to Flight 19. I'm convinced that flight leader — Lieutenant Charles C. Taylor — fell victim to the same phenomenom that was behind John-John Kennedy's ill-fated flight: Spatial Disorientation.

The documentary explained the phenomenom like this…

“…Taylor established a mindset`fairly early on…as conditions deteriorated Taylor suffered a serious mental breakdown. A kind of tunnel vision that made him blind to any other available option…”

“…spatial disorientation…there is no shaking it … people decide on something and then with the stress of the occasion they will stick with that initial concept…because in their mind, it's very real……once he'd got this mind set it was going to stay with him forever because no one was going to jog him out of it…”

Ring any bells? I'm convinced certain members here are exhibiting the profound effects of that there Spatial Disorientation phenomenom.

This only happens when people are incapable of thinking. If you took two minutes to read anything instead of trying to kill threads with optical illusions and topics that have nothing to do with anything you might understand what is going on.

Yet another person who thinks we should move on and thinks going off track with these useless pics and avatars will help something.

[Edited 4/10/17 10:48am]

laurarichardson said:

T84 said:

I truly think his death was accidental. Anyone trying to present some conspiracy theory about what happened on that day is just one's way of coping, even if it's purely BS. Let Prince rest.

Another person saying we should move on

Yeah because let's make another 200 posts about how weird his death is.

Oh no, L⁰, my dear! Reply #785 has everything to do with more than you will ever comprehend.

laurarichardson said:

phatphuk said:

T84 said:

laurarichardson said:

Another person saying we should move on

Yeah because let's make another 200 posts about how weird his death is.

you mean people shoud use the time they would have spent posting dozens of comments rehashing the same speculations/conspiracy theories/"but it just doesn't make sense!" comments to do something else (such as listen to Prince's music, enjoy his videos, discuss his life's work etc.)? But if people "got over it" like that -- WHO WOULD CRACK THE CASE?

Strive said:

rogifan said:

Strive said: The Carver County Sheriff said in a press conference a few days after he passed that they were not treating it as a suicide.

Just because there wasn't an explicit note saying 'i've decided to kill myself. goodbye', doesn't mean it was an accident.

Ultimately the truth died with Prince but the fact he was struggling with a drug problem for years, overdosed five days earlier and had such an large amount of drugs in his system at the time of his death (coincidentally hours before an addiction specialist his friends requested was set to arrive) along with the location where he was found makes me think it was deliberate.

Unless there's other overdoses we don't know about.

If we consider that idea.

One thing that doesnt make sense is him being found in an elevator with his clothes on back the front.

Him being in the elevator with clothes on backwards gives the impression he was trying to do something or get somewhere.

If he was intent on breaking on through to the other side why would he suddenly decide to get dressed and go somewhere.

Identity said:

IamBryan said:

but why was he found with his clothes on backwards?! Not that we'll ever know...

Given his odd fashion sense, maybe that's how he preferred to dress before bed.

oh cmon.

Mintchip said:

Given the circumstances around his death and previous overdose, I'd guess that his last day was spent craving, resisting, rationalizing, finding, and consuming drugs, one last time, before the suboxone cavalry arrived the next day. . Just a guess, of course

You make it sound more like he was a junky.

Somehow I dont believe that he was.

I think he did pills to relieve pain.

oscarchristio777 said:

Mintchip said:

Given the circumstances around his death and previous overdose, I'd guess that his last day was spent craving, resisting, rationalizing, finding, and consuming drugs, one last time, before the suboxone cavalry arrived the next day. . Just a guess, of course

You make it sound more like he was a junky.

Somehow I dont believe that he was.

I think he did pills to relieve pain.

I dont think that makes him sound like a junky just a harsh reality of the cruelty addiction brings. Prince had conceded to addiction intervention and lets face it we all suspectPrince as being as stubborn as stubborn can be, For him to hand himself over it must have been serious.

Even though the above statement seems harsh I think it's more saying that as an addict this would be the range of emotions he would be going through. I think the "one last time" statement is probably true, though obviously we dont know. It would be human nature to say goodbye to something one last time, we do it with diets all the time, when we know we 're going on a regime the next day.

The irony could be that this was the safest Prince had ever felt taking them due to medical assistance arriving in the morning.

what I would add though and this image upsets me. I can imagine he was also very scared. For anyone to have intervention is bad enough but for someone who controlled every aspect of their world it must have been beyond daunting.

Just typing this makes me want to cry

The fact ( now confirmed by Mayte ) that Prince had his clothes on backwards and his socks inside out is the ONE thing I cannot get my head around !
I can accept the accidental overdose...I know he was in Physical pain...otherwise he would NOT have resorted to taking anything that could interere with his presence of mind

BUT for him to put his clothes on backwards does not fit into the paradigm I have of him.

If he was getting dressed in a hurry due to feeling the effect of the narcotic and going to get help..what are the chances of him putting both his shirt AND his pants on backwards and BOTH Socks inside out ?

You would think that maybe one or two items might have been on incorrectly..

BUT ALL OF THEM ?

That would mean they were deliberately put on like that...and the Prince I have come to know just couldnt handle anything out of place...

Then I start thinking SOME ONE Else dressed him like that and then I get really distressed because if that is the case that person would have been with him when he passed, and dressed him immediately after..otherwise the autposy would have revealed that he had been moved (sorry morbid fact subcutaneous hypostasis)

and then things just get too awful to contemplate....

disch said:

T84 said:

Yeah because let's make another 200 posts about how weird his death is.

you mean people shoud use the time they would have spent posting dozens of comments rehashing the same speculations/conspiracy theories/"but it just doesn't make sense!" comments to do something else (such as listen to Prince's music, enjoy his videos, discuss his life's work etc.)? But if people "got over it" like that -- WHO WOULD CRACK THE CASE?

Those of you who do not give a fuck about cracking the case should move on. Common sense should tell you until it is solved speculation is going to contiune. Now carrying on with your complaining and making Prince the poster boy for pain pill abuse because he did nothing else for 40 years of his music carreer but pop pain pills.

Lovejunky said:

rogifan said:

Lovejunky said:

The fact ( now confirmed by Mayte ) that Prince had his clothes on backwards and his socks inside out is the ONE thing I cannot get my head around !
I can accept the accidental overdose...I know he was in Physical pain...otherwise he would NOT have resorted to taking anything that could interere with his presence of mind

BUT for him to put his clothes on backwards does not fit into the paradigm I have of him.

If he was getting dressed in a hurry due to feeling the effect of the narcotic and going to get help..what are the chances of him putting both his shirt AND his pants on backwards and BOTH Socks inside out ?

You would think that maybe one or two items might have been on incorrectly..

BUT ALL OF THEM ?

That would mean they were deliberately put on like that...and the Prince I have come to know just couldnt handle anything out of place...

Then I start thinking SOME ONE Else dressed him like that and then I get really distressed because if that is the case that person would have been with him when he passed, and dressed him immediately after..otherwise the autposy would have revealed that he had been moved (sorry morbid fact subcutaneous hypostasis)

and then things just get too awful to contemplate....

How can Mayte confirm anything? How would she know? And if someone in the inner circle told her stuff why is she blabbing about it in interviews?

I dont know that answer to your questions..

Im assuming it to be true .....and Im sure it would have been discussed at his memorial .....

and Maybe thats why all the Other Prince GIRLS are shading her...she Broke Code

Lovejunky said:

rogifan said:

Lovejunky said: How can Mayte confirm anything? How would she know? And if someone in the inner circle told her stuff why is she blabbing about it in interviews?

I dont know that answer to your questions..

Im assuming it to be true .....and Im sure it would have been discussed at his memorial .....

and Maybe thats why all the Other Prince GIRLS are shading her...she Broke Code

I do not think she was allowed at the memorial service at Paisley Park. My understanding is she came acting crazy and was shown the door by his family. I think she was shut out of the memorial just like she was shut out of her life. She is repeating what she read in the news. I do not think she knows anything about his death and if she does she should tell the police and not put in her book.

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said:

I dont know that answer to your questions..

Im assuming it to be true .....and Im sure it would have been discussed at his memorial .....

and Maybe thats why all the Other Prince GIRLS are shading her...she Broke Code

I do not think she was allowed at the memorial service at Paisley Park. My understanding is she came acting crazy and was shown the door by his family. I think she was shut out of the memorial just like she was shut out of her life. She is repeating what she read in the news. I do not think she knows anything about his death and if she does she should tell the police and not put in her book.

How so? Wasn't she a part of the official tribute? She danced on that. And she did the memorial with Mani. I actually think Mayte learned a few things off Mani (after the divorce records came out she would find out about her stuff being burned, so Mani probably told her in advance) during that time of superficial closeness and has since withdrawn from a friendship with her. Hence Mani's recent pic on FB. I mean... Hum? Hence Mani with Jill Jones, Appolonia and all the other ladies from the past.

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said:

I dont know that answer to your questions..

Im assuming it to be true .....and Im sure it would have been discussed at his memorial .....

and Maybe thats why all the Other Prince GIRLS are shading her...she Broke Code

I do not think she was allowed at the memorial service at Paisley Park. My understanding is she came acting crazy and was shown the door by his family. I think she was shut out of the memorial just like she was shut out of her life. She is repeating what she read in the news. I do not think she knows anything about his death and if she does she should tell the police and not put in her book.

Then what is this ?

http://www.etonline.com/news/188586_exclusive_pics_inside_prince_private_star_studded_memorial/

oscarchristio777 said:

Strive said:

Just because there wasn't an explicit note saying 'i've decided to kill myself. goodbye', doesn't mean it was an accident.

Ultimately the truth died with Prince but the fact he was struggling with a drug problem for years, overdosed five days earlier and had such an large amount of drugs in his system at the time of his death (coincidentally hours before an addiction specialist his friends requested was set to arrive) along with the location where he was found makes me think it was deliberate.

Unless there's other overdoses we don't know about.

If we consider that idea.

One thing that doesnt make sense is him being found in an elevator with his clothes on back the front.

Him being in the elevator with clothes on backwards gives the impression he was trying to do something or get somewhere.

If he was intent on breaking on through to the other side why would he suddenly decide to get dressed and go somewhere.

It's easy to put your clothes on backwards when you're just sliding them on and the elevator could've been his final message to the world. He knew suicide was wrong, he knew he faltered and placing himself in the elevator, a thing he used throughout his career to represent the devil, for his final moments on earth...

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I really hope he didn't think he was going to hell or that he failed God in some way, if his death was his (pain-riddled/irrational) decision.

[Edited 4/11/17 6:11am]

laurarichardson said:

I do not think she was allowed at the memorial service at Paisley Park. My understanding is she came acting crazy and was shown the door by his family. I think she was shut out of the memorial just like she was shut out of her life. She is repeating what she read in the news. I do not think she knows anything about his death and if she does she should tell the police and not put in her book.

I watched the Family Memorial at PP in August 2016 as it was live streamed.

M1 arrived at the Memorial and was never shown the door.

Lovejunky said:

oscarchristio777 said:

jcurley said:

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

I do not think she was allowed at the memorial service at Paisley Park. My understanding is she came acting crazy and was shown the door by his family. I think she was shut out of the memorial just like she was shut out of her life. She is repeating what she read in the news. I do not think she knows anything about his death and if she does she should tell the police and not put in her book.

How so? Wasn't she a part of the official tribute? She danced on that. And she did the memorial with Mani. I actually think Mayte learned a few things off Mani (after the divorce records came out she would find out about her stuff being burned, so Mani probably told her in advance) during that time of superficial closeness and has since withdrawn from a friendship with her. Hence Mani's recent pic on FB. I mean... Hum? Hence Mani with Jill Jones, Appolonia and all the other ladies from the past.

She was not at the wake at Paisley Park. Sheila E invited her to the BET Memorial and Mani was the one that organized the L.A. Memorial.