laurarichardson said:

TrivialPursuit said:

PeteSilas said:

i don't think it was official, but it was leaked to that minneapolis paper i think.

Those that knew him said it was rather a Prince thing to do, was just wear or do something different. They cited other instances of that, too. I forget if it was Kim Berry, or a wardrobe person. But it was sometimes last summer, I believe.

I was reading trough the thread and really did not have anything to add, or to ask, or say. but with reading the topic of prince wearing his clothes 'inside out' a few times .... I remembered that someone once told me, that in some culture (I can't remember any details) you wear your clothes inside out to drive away evil spirits.

schnupp said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Those that knew him said it was rather a Prince thing to do, was just wear or do something different. They cited other instances of that, too. I forget if it was Kim Berry, or a wardrobe person. But it was sometimes last summer, I believe.

I was reading trough the thread and really did not have anything to add, or to ask, or say. but with reading the topic of prince wearing his clothes 'inside out' a few times .... I remembered that someone once told me, that in some culture (I can't remember any details) you wear your clothes inside out to drive away evil spirits.

This is something I've always wondered about Prince- if he had any supernatural or paranormal experiences--- like in Others Here With Us where he keeps saying, "...all the things I've seen..." ---- plus few other things he's said have always made me wonder.

NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said:

This was taken in Australia in January. If you serch there are two pics from the fall of 2015 were he looks very healthy. One from the party he threw for black journalist and one at a Vickings game. His face in those pics is full and fat. Very different just a few months later. I have been watching the show Intervention and they have had a few Opiad users on that show and none looked like Prince in this pic. Those people also could not walk and chew gum at the same time.

Listen....here's the thing, Laura. Folks, here and on other forums, understand that the term "addict" is not generally synonymous with the term "abuser". There is a difference between the two. And my opinion is that the general public understands this; therefore, they don't insinuate that Prince was an abuser. The participants on Intervention are definitely abusers of their drug of choice. They are, without question, out of control. I do not think Prince was an "abuser" of opioids but he was "addicted". And he was secretive. Most likely for self-preservation. I hold no judgement toward his addiction. There is historical evidence (or perhaps supposition?) of a pain condition and use of opioids. My opinion is that he was self medicating because of a need. Not a want. I have previously shared my use of these meds to treat my various conditions (symptomatic Tarlov Cysts, DDD (at various junctions along the length of my spine), Spinal Stenosis, Fibromyalgia)). Honestly, I take offense at your description of someone who might depend on these meds to live a productive, full life. While I realize my dependence on them, I am in no way, shape or form an abuser of them. I am not in a constant stupor, I do not continually trip up/fall down while walking, I am able to engage in coherent conservation, I don't vomit and sleep the entire day away, etc. Repeating what I have said before, I take some pretty potent stuff but no one would be the wiser unless I told them. Truly. No one. Honestly, is there no wiggle room in your viewpoint to consider the possibility that not all individuals who take these meds are abusers? Even in an uncontrolled situation. I wish you would reconsider your way of defining someone who needs opioids on a daily basis.

" Honestly, I take offense at your description of someone who might depend on these meds to live a productive, full life. While I realize my dependence on them, I am in no way, shape or form an abuser of them. I am not in a constant stupor, I do not continually trip up/fall down while walking, I am able to engage in coherent conservation, I don't vomit and sleep the entire day away, etc. Repeating what I have said before, I take some pretty potent stuff but no one would be the wiser unless I told them. Truly. No one.

Honestly, is there no wiggle room in your viewpoint to consider the possibility that not all individuals who take these meds are abusers? Even in an uncontrolled situation. I wish you would reconsider your way of defining someone who needs opioids on a daily basis."

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You are taking this out on the wrong person. I have never implied that people who take Rx for pain or other medical issues are the same as drug addicts. Other people on this board and in the media do not know the difference.

I have said numerous times he got around to well for someone abusing these meds . I firmly belive he was taking a normal dosage and something else happend to him between the fall of 2015 and January of 2016. I do not think it was all about pain pills I believe he had other health issues going on and I am pointing out the drastic difference in his apperenace to make my point along with loads of other things that have come to light over the last year.

I do not think drug addiction was Prince's main problem.

I generally agree (altough I have to say, I have no personal experience with opioids). But one thing that is true, to my undertanding, is that someone can become addicted to opioids no matter the reason or circumstances they started taking them (whether under a doctors supervision for pain relief, or for some other reason). Addiction is a physical state, not a moral one, and just knowing/saying someone is addicted alone doesn't really tell us much about their reason(s) for taking opioids.

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I also think these classifications that can be so important to some become muddied when addiction comes into play. A person who is addicted needs to take opioids to avoid withdrawal symptoms, not just for the pain relief that might have been the reason they first started. Is avoiding withdrawal "abuse"?

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Interested to hear your thoughts on that Notaclevername.

NotACleverName said:

"addict" is not generally synonymous with the term "abuser".

disch said:

disch said:

I generally agree (altough I have to say, I have no personal experience with opioids). But one thing that is true, to my undertanding, is that someone can become addicted to opioids no matter the reason or circumstances they started taking them (whether under a doctors supervision for pain relief, or for some other reason). Addiction is a physical state, not a moral one, and just knowing/saying someone is addicted alone doesn't really tell us much about their reason(s) for taking opioids.

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I also think these classifications that can be so important to some become muddied when addiction comes into play. A person who is addicted needs to take opioids to avoid withdrawal symptoms, not just for the pain relief that might have been the reason they first started. Is avoiding withdrawal "abuse"?

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Interested to hear your thoughts on that Notaclevername.

NotACleverName said:

"addict" is not generally synonymous with the term "abuser".

it sounds like a vicious drug any way you cut it. It stops the bodies own ability to release it's own chemicals that reduce pain, permanently. the withdrawals sound awful and it sounds like it only takes a couple weeks to get hooked. I knew a lady who took them for a short time, she said quitting them made her break out in sweats and have withdrawal symptoms. Moreover, i knew a navy seal with war wounds that demanded he stay strung out, it was a sad thing to see. He truly ha awful wound and had no choice but to stay strung out, he's probably dead by now. I only took the stuff once when i busted my knee, they shot me up and it was a wonderful feeling, i could see why people get hooked.

schnupp said:

NotACleverName said:

disch said:

NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said:

This was taken in Australia in January. If you serch there are two pics from the fall of 2015 were he looks very healthy. One from the party he threw for black journalist and one at a Vickings game. His face in those pics is full and fat. Very different just a few months later. I have been watching the show Intervention and they have had a few Opiad users on that show and none looked like Prince in this pic. Those people also could not walk and chew gum at the same time.

Listen....here's the thing, Laura. Folks, here and on other forums, understand that the term "addict" is not generally synonymous with the term "abuser". There is a difference between the two. And my opinion is that the general public understands this; therefore, they don't insinuate that Prince was an abuser. The participants on Intervention are definitely abusers of their drug of choice. They are, without question, out of control. I do not think Prince was an "abuser" of opioids but he was "addicted". And he was secretive. Most likely for self-preservation. I hold no judgement toward his addiction. There is historical evidence (or perhaps supposition?) of a pain condition and use of opioids. My opinion is that he was self medicating because of a need. Not a want. I have previously shared my use of these meds to treat my various conditions (symptomatic Tarlov Cysts, DDD (at various junctions along the length of my spine), Spinal Stenosis, Fibromyalgia)). Honestly, I take offense at your description of someone who might depend on these meds to live a productive, full life. While I realize my dependence on them, I am in no way, shape or form an abuser of them. I am not in a constant stupor, I do not continually trip up/fall down while walking, I am able to engage in coherent conservation, I don't vomit and sleep the entire day away, etc. Repeating what I have said before, I take some pretty potent stuff but no one would be the wiser unless I told them. Truly. No one. Honestly, is there no wiggle room in your viewpoint to consider the possibility that not all individuals who take these meds are abusers? Even in an uncontrolled situation. I wish you would reconsider your way of defining someone who needs opioids on a daily basis.

THANK YOU!!!!! THANK YOU FOR HONEST, FIRST HAND CLARITY ON THIS SUBJECT!!!!!Ridiculous assumptions are just that....ASSUMPTIONS!!!

...and I am truly sorry for all of your ailments, good luck to you, my friend

I remember sweet little ol' L⁰ was campaigning on the “Dr. Schulenberg's A Pusher” minority ticket not all that long ago.

So there's still that inflexible contingent who — if they do agree with the majority — evidently simply enjoy bickering for bickering's sake.

I don't think he was fully conscious before he died. when you don't sleep for a week your brain starts to shut down

so you believe what tyka's husband said? is he any kinda a source?

PeteSilas said:

so you believe what tyka's husband said? is he any kinda a source?

Here's your answer.

From Metro News:


After reports surfaced suggesting Prince may not have slept for six days prior to his death, the so-called originator of those statements says it's not true.

Reports say Maurice Phillips, who is married to Prince's sister, Tyka Nelson, told a crowd at Paisley Park that Prince was working "154 hours straight" in the days before his death.

However, on Tuesday, Phillips told KARE 11 that's simply not true. He said, in the days leading up to his death, "I never had contact with him."

Identity said:

PeteSilas said:

so you believe what tyka's husband said? is he any kinda a source?

Here's your answer.

From Metro News:


After reports surfaced suggesting Prince may not have slept for six days prior to his death, the so-called originator of those statements says it's not true.

Reports say Maurice Phillips, who is married to Prince's sister, Tyka Nelson, told a crowd at Paisley Park that Prince was working "154 hours straight" in the days before his death.

However, on Tuesday, Phillips told KARE 11 that's simply not true. He said, in the days leading up to his death, "I never had contact with him."

thanks, at least homeboy was honest and didn't make it seem like they were close.

Someone took their drug usage too far...

[Edited 4/6/17 2:43am]

phatphuk said:

Identity said:

PeteSilas said:

so you believe what tyka's husband said? is he any kinda a source?

Here's your answer.

From Metro News:


After reports surfaced suggesting Prince may not have slept for six days prior to his death, the so-called originator of those statements says it's not true.

Reports say Maurice Phillips, who is married to Prince's sister, Tyka Nelson, told a crowd at Paisley Park that Prince was working "154 hours straight" in the days before his death.

However, on Tuesday, Phillips told KARE 11 that's simply not true. He said, in the days leading up to his death, "I never had contact with him."

Could this have been a result from the Narcan shot?

laurarichardson said:

phatphuk said:

sonshine said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

laurarichardson said:

-- I am sorry for your situation but it sounds as if you are not abusing your Rx and the insinuation is that Prince was abusing these meds…

U are right and i hate rhat insinuation. Cause honestly, to me, based on everything we have heard and seen of him, even tho he may have been getting them.om his own it sounds like his body was adjusted to and he wasnt abusing whatever he was taking…

This. It seems that overall even with all the bickering and nit-picking that has gone on since Apr 21 about this subject the majority of us here have come to the same conclusion and agree on this for the most part. Right?

I remember sweet little ol' L⁰ was campaigning on the “Dr. Schulenberg's A Pusher” minority ticket not all that long ago.

So there's still that inflexible contingent who — if they do agree with the majority — evidently simply enjoy bickering for bickering's sake.

I hope you are not talking about me because I never said Dr.S was a drug pusher however, it is odd that he has no background in pain mgnt or addiction.

I would like to hear more from this Dr S. Is he still off the roster where he worked, does he retain a license to practice anywhere? Was he just P's regular doctor?

fortuneandserendipity said:

MMJas said:

Identity said:

Here's your answer.

From Metro News:


After reports surfaced suggesting Prince may not have slept for six days prior to his death, the so-called originator of those statements says it's not true.

Reports say Maurice Phillips, who is married to Prince's sister, Tyka Nelson, told a crowd at Paisley Park that Prince was working "154 hours straight" in the days before his death.

However, on Tuesday, Phillips told KARE 11 that's simply not true. He said, in the days leading up to his death, "I never had contact with him."

Could this have been a result from the Narcan shot?

No. Read the whole excerpt. Maurice Phillips walked back his previous statement on Prince supposedly going without sleep for six days.

That's not how I remember it L⁰ old girl…

…You certainly sound to me like you're at least insinuating in your above posts, some "wrong-doing" by Schulengerg. Isn't that fair to say, L⁰?

phatphuk said:

Identity said:

Seemingly to capitalize on his sudden fame, he made a claim that he later could not substantiate, so he was forced to retract what he said earlier. I think he was suggesting Prince died from sleep deprivation.

It really angers me that some people refer to Prince as a drug addict and that he died from a drug overdose. Accidentally taking the wrong painkiller and passing away does not make one a drug addict.

Forgot to mention in my previous post that I have often wondered if he were in the elevator because he was going to get help. This whole thing has not made any rational sense at all since day 1. There are too many unanswered questions and too much suspicion. I think Prince was really looking forward to his autobiography coming out. It's sad that he never got to finish it.

twinnies said:

It really angers me that some people refer to Prince as a drug addict and that he died from a drug overdose. Accidentally taking the wrong painkiller and passing away does not make one a drug addict.

So basically you haven't read any of this thread or done any research at all, either on what addiction is, or the know details of Prince death.

Prince overdosed. A week earlier he also overdosed, and had to be given Narcan, after which he was 'agitated' cause Narcan puts people right into withdrawl. You don't go into withdrawl unless you are an addict. You don't spend the last day of your life trying to get 3 different drugstores to fill you prescription, and then arrange to have a Dr. fly out to send you to rehab, and possibly administer suboxone.

What makes me angry is people bending over backwards to to deny the obvious truth because they are worried about the stigma of the term 'addict'. That's not the most important thing here.

twinnies said:

It really angers me that some people refer to Prince as a drug addict and that he died from a drug overdose. Accidentally taking the wrong painkiller and passing away does not make one a drug addict.

So basically you haven't read any of this thread or done any research at all, either on what addiction is, or the know details of Prince death.

Prince overdosed. A week earlier he also overdosed, and had to be given Narcan, after which he was 'agitated' cause Narcan puts people right into withdrawl. You don't go into withdrawl unless you are an addict. You don't spend the last day of your life trying to get 3 different drugstores to fill you prescription, and then arrange to have a Dr. fly out to send you to rehab, and possibly administer suboxone.

What makes me angry is people bending over backwards to to deny the obvious truth because they are worried about the stigma of the term 'addict'. That's not the most important thing here.