For those of you who state no other fentanyl was found, what did he od on the week before? I tell you it seems like suicide if he overdosed on two different drugs almost like he was gonna make sure with fentanyl.

It does mention a mass amout of people with the same concontion as Prince. Do you really think he had the only pills with this stuff in it Were other people on the week of April 21s found with the same pills?

laytonian said:

laurarichardson said:

But this article address death in the Fargo area and talks about stolen patches. If Prince or one of his associates brought these pills in Minneapolis would other people not have died as well. In the weeks before or after and I do not mean a few. I do not think that whoever made these pills made a small batch for Prince's personal use. I do not think he got these pills in Minnesota.

. Read the entire article. It specifically mentions mislabeled drugs. . It's about the entire state. .

PeteSilas said:

It was never confirmed that the Moline incident was an OD. It has been discussed that it may have been a seizure.

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

He also died of a fentanyl OD.

Yes, he died from a straigt Fentenyl overdose the pills he took where not mislabled they found no connection between him and Prince at all.

If there was a mass supply of mislabled Fentenyl in Minn how come we have not seen other people dying from mislabled pills in that city.

All we know for a fact about P is that the Medical Examiner found that he died from an accidental overdose of fentanyl.

The Medical Examiner used the same exact words in regard to the death of P's former club manager.

We dont know for a fact that there were mislabled drugs found at PP or whether P took a mislabled pill or straight fentanyl. The information about mislabled drugs at PP came from an "unnamed source."

So neither you nor I know for a fact whether P died from a mislabled drug or whether the club manager died from a mislabled drug because the Medical Examiner said BOTH died from an accidental overdose of fentanyl.

[Edited 4/2/17 18:48pm]

There are a number of articles about this issue, not just that one; here are the ones I linked above (as a side note I'm mystified why anyone is debating this. Counterfeit-fentany-laced opioids are an identified national problem; I don't understand why somone would argue that the state of Minnesota has been exempt from this, and what that argument has to do with Prince):

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Counterfeit pills containing Fentanyl on rise in Twin Cities: http://www.fox9.com/news/...3189-story (from Oct 25, 2016)

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Nearly 500 pills believed to be laced with fentanyl found in Grand Forks region, police say: (From a major bust 2 days ago in the Minnesota/North Dakota border city): http://www.startribune.co...417865113/

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Drugs Seized in Minnesota Reach Record Highs: From March 6: "Prescription pill seizures, including opioids, increased by 231-percent in 2016 over the previous year...Evidence submissions to the BCA containing fentanyl increased from 14 in 2014 and 2015 to 75 in 2016." http://www.fox21online.co...ord-highs/

laytonian said:

laurarichardson said:

But this article address death in the Fargo area and talks about stolen patches. If Prince or one of his associates brought these pills in Minneapolis would other people not have died as well. In the weeks before or after and I do not mean a few. I do not think that whoever made these pills made a small batch for Prince's personal use. I do not think he got these pills in Minnesota.

. Read the entire article. It specifically mentions mislabeled drugs. . It's about the entire state. .

TMZ said it was percocet. The next thing we know it is a mix of stuff and a week later after he died a whole bunch of other pills are found in this living quarters He is suppose to have percocet bottle in his pocket but the pockets are turned inside out. The do not find percocets in his system at all.

I actually took too many percocets after Gallbladder surgery years ago and was sick and plasterd to the bed I could barley move. Yet Prince took a massive amount of Percocets and played two concerts had the strenght to talk to the promoter, get on the plane and chat it up with Judith before collasping.

This is the story we are being told by tabloid media.

PeteSilas said:

For those of you who state no other fentanyl was found, what did he od on the week before? I tell you it seems like suicide if he overdosed on two different drugs almost like he was gonna make sure with fentanyl.

Because I am not saying it is not a problem. I am saying that how come we have not heard about massive amounts of people dying around the same day or week as Prince.

YOur articles are about pills being confiscated and arrest and issues in cities on border towns.

I am talking about acutual deaths in the city around the time Prince died and I mean more than one.

Example A couple of years ago in Baltimore 15 people died in a day from bad herion. They got it all from the same dealer.

disch said:

There are a number of articles about this issue, not just that one; here are the ones I linked above (as a side note I'm mystified why anyone is debating this. Counterfeit-fentany-laced opioids are an identified national problem; I don't understand why somone would argue that the state of Minnesota has been exempt from this, and what that argument has to do with Prince):

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Counterfeit pills containing Fentanyl on rise in Twin Cities: http://www.fox9.com/news/...3189-story (from Oct 25, 2016)

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Nearly 500 pills believed to be laced with fentanyl found in Grand Forks region, police say: (From a major bust 2 days ago in the Minnesota/North Dakota border city): http://www.startribune.co...417865113/

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Drugs Seized in Minnesota Reach Record Highs: From March 6: "Prescription pill seizures, including opioids, increased by 231-percent in 2016 over the previous year...Evidence submissions to the BCA containing fentanyl increased from 14 in 2014 and 2015 to 75 in 2016." http://www.fox21online.co...ord-highs/

laytonian said:

laurarichardson said: . Read the entire article. It specifically mentions mislabeled drugs. . It's about the entire state. .

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, he died from a straigt Fentenyl overdose the pills he took where not mislabled they found no connection between him and Prince at all.

If there was a mass supply of mislabled Fentenyl in Minn how come we have not seen other people dying from mislabled pills in that city.

All we know for a fact about P is that the Medical Examiner found that he died from an accidental overdose of fentanyl.

The Medical Examiner used the same exact words in regard to the death of P's former club manager.

We dont know for a fact that there were mislabled drugs found at PP or whether P took a mislabled pill or straight fentanyl. The information about mislabled drugs at PP came from an "unnamed source."

So neither you nor I know for a fact whether P died from a mislabled drug or whether the club manager died from a mislabled drug because the Medical Examiner said BOTH died from an accidental overdose of fentanyl.

[Edited 4/2/17 18:48pm]

Actually there was a follow up article on the club owner he died from straigh Fentenyl.

As long as we are discounting the mislabled pills due to unamed sources how about we discount TMZ saying he OD on Percocet.

I believe the pills were mislabled and that is the reason it was called accidental. I do not remember anyone saying Amy Winehouse accidentally drank her self to death. They saw the alcohol on the premisis and it was in her system. She meant to take those drinks.

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

All we know for a fact about P is that the Medical Examiner found that he died from an accidental overdose of fentanyl.

The Medical Examiner used the same exact words in regard to the death of P's former club manager.

We dont know for a fact that there were mislabled drugs found at PP or whether P took a mislabled pill or straight fentanyl. The information about mislabled drugs at PP came from an "unnamed source."

So neither you nor I know for a fact whether P died from a mislabled drug or whether the club manager died from a mislabled drug because the Medical Examiner said BOTH died from an accidental overdose of fentanyl.

[Edited 4/2/17 18:48pm]

Actually there was a follow up article on the club owner he died from straigh Fentenyl.

As long as we are discounting the mislabled pills due to unamed sources how about we discount TMZ saying he OD on Percocet.

I believe the pills were mislabled and that is the reason it was called accidental. I do not remember anyone saying Amy Winehouse accidentally drank her self to death. They saw the alcohol on the premisis and it was in her system. She meant to take those drinks.

It does not say straight UP fentanyl.

If you are using that criteria then P died from STRAIGHT UP FENTANYL.

::shrugs:: I have no idea your point and discussing things with you is incredibly unpleasant so I will resume my policy of avoiding it. Fentanyl-laced counterfeit opioids are a national problem, they're a problem in Minnesota (see below), and there's a good (although still speculative) chance they played a central role in Prince's death, whether he (or his supplier) acquired those drugs locally, in some other location, or through the mail.

laurarichardson said:

Because I am not saying it is not a problem. I am saying that how come we have not heard about massive amounts of people dying around the same day or week as Prince.

YOur articles are about pills being confiscated and arrest and issues in cities on border towns.

I am talking about acutual deaths in the city around the time Prince died and I mean more than one.

Example A couple of years ago in Baltimore 15 people died in a day from bad herion. They got it all from the same dealer.

disch said:

There are a number of articles about this issue, not just that one; here are the ones I linked above (as a side note I'm mystified why anyone is debating this. Counterfeit-fentany-laced opioids are an identified national problem; I don't understand why somone would argue that the state of Minnesota has been exempt from this, and what that argument has to do with Prince):

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Counterfeit pills containing Fentanyl on rise in Twin Cities: http://www.fox9.com/news/...3189-story (from Oct 25, 2016)

-

Nearly 500 pills believed to be laced with fentanyl found in Grand Forks region, police say: (From a major bust 2 days ago in the Minnesota/North Dakota border city): http://www.startribune.co...417865113/

-

Drugs Seized in Minnesota Reach Record Highs: From March 6: "Prescription pill seizures, including opioids, increased by 231-percent in 2016 over the previous year...Evidence submissions to the BCA containing fentanyl increased from 14 in 2014 and 2015 to 75 in 2016." http://www.fox21online.co...ord-highs/

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

Actually there was a follow up article on the club owner he died from straigh Fentenyl.

As long as we are discounting the mislabled pills due to unamed sources how about we discount TMZ saying he OD on Percocet.

I believe the pills were mislabled and that is the reason it was called accidental. I do not remember anyone saying Amy Winehouse accidentally drank her self to death. They saw the alcohol on the premisis and it was in her system. She meant to take those drinks.

It does not say straight UP fentanyl.

If you are using that criteria then P died from STRAIGHT UP FENTANYL.

The follow up I saw on the club owner said he did not die from a pill with a mix of drugs like Prince. He only had Fenanyl in his system. I know I have to be very exact for some of you. They have not tied this club owner to Prince at all. I am not going to argue you about it because I know what I read and we have heard nothing in the media about a connection between the two in over a year.

If you see my example about Baltimore that is my point. You do not see it because you do not want to and I am fine with that. I never said it was not a national problem. I am sorry you find questions unpleasant must be awfully hard for you to manage with that issue.

disch said:

::shrugs:: I have no idea your point and discussing things with you is incredibly unpleasant so I will resume my policy of avoiding it. Fentanyl-laced counterfeit opioids are a national problem, they're a problem in Minnesota (see below), and there's a good (although still speculative) chance they played a central role in Prince's death, whether he (or his supplier) acquired those drugs locally, in some other location, or through the mail.

laurarichardson said:

Because I am not saying it is not a problem. I am saying that how come we have not heard about massive amounts of people dying around the same day or week as Prince.

YOur articles are about pills being confiscated and arrest and issues in cities on border towns.

I am talking about acutual deaths in the city around the time Prince died and I mean more than one.

Example A couple of years ago in Baltimore 15 people died in a day from bad herion. They got it all from the same dealer.

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

It does not say straight UP fentanyl.

If you are using that criteria then P died from STRAIGHT UP FENTANYL.

The follow up I saw on the club owner said he did not die from a pill with a mix of drugs like Prince. He only had Fenanyl in his system. I know I have to be very exact for some of you. They have not tied this club owner to Prince at all. I am not going to argue you about it because I know what I read and we have heard nothing in the media about a connection between the two in over a year.

The facts are P died from an accidental overdose of fentanyl per the Medical Examiner's report.

Paul Pudlitzke died from the same per the Medical Examiner report.

I cannot find an article out there saying Paul did not die by a pill form of fentanyl.

If there is, please let me know where I may find this article as I would like to read it and educate myself.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

The follow up I saw on the club owner said he did not die from a pill with a mix of drugs like Prince. He only had Fenanyl in his system. I know I have to be very exact for some of you. They have not tied this club owner to Prince at all. I am not going to argue you about it because I know what I read and we have heard nothing in the media about a connection between the two in over a year.

The facts are P died from an accidental overdose of fentanyl per the Medical Examiner's report.

Paul Pudlitzke died from the same per the Medical Examiner report.

I cannot find an article out there saying Paul did not die by a pill form of fentanyl.

If there is, please let me know where I may find this article as I would like to read it and educate myself.

Once again the article I saw was on one of the local minneapolis news stations. I will try and find it. Let me put this in bold for you.

Paul did not die from a pill with a mix of Fentenyal combined with other drugs. His pills were labled as Fentenyal and that is all that was in his pills. This is not the same stituation that Prince was in at all.

There has been no mention of a connection between Paul and Prince by the media. He is someone who worked with Prince 20 years ago and since P could be known to be non-communicative at times we do not even know how much he interacted with Paul if at all since he Duane and Gilbert did a lot of stuff for him pertaining to the club. In fact the Glam Slam in Minneapolis was supposed be jointly owned by Gilbert and Prince.

laurarichardson said:

WTF are you going on about? Amy Wine house's death was ruled ACCIDENTAL! She may have intended to take those drinks but she DID NOT intend to die.

Educate yourself here: http://www.cnn.com/2013/0...e-inquest/

Absolutely correct NotACleverName. "Accidental death" as determined by a medical examiner means that the person did not intend to die (that would be "suicide," a different categorization). It does NOT mean that the person did not iknowingly do the thing that ended up killing them (such as ingest something). It just means that death was not their intent.

NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said:

Actually there was a follow up article on the club owner he died from straigh Fentenyl.

As long as we are discounting the mislabled pills due to unamed sources how about we discount TMZ saying he OD on Percocet.

I believe the pills were mislabled and that is the reason it was called accidental. I do not remember anyone saying Amy Winehouse accidentally drank her self to death. They saw the alcohol on the premisis and it was in her system. She meant to take those drinks.

WTF are you going on about? Amy Wine house's death was ruled ACCIDENTAL! She may have intended to take those drinks but she DID NOT intend to die. Educate yourself here: http://www.cnn.com/2013/0...e-inquest/

disch said:

Absolutely correct NotACleverName. "Accidental death" as determined by a medical examiner means that the person did not intend to die (that would be "suicide," a different categorization). It does NOT mean that the person did not iknowingly do the thing that ended up killing them (such as ingest something). It just means that death was not their intent.

NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said: WTF are you going on about? Amy Wine house's death was ruled ACCIDENTAL! She may have intended to take those drinks but she DID NOT intend to die. Educate yourself here: http://www.cnn.com/2013/0...e-inquest/

i don't think there is always a way to know what a persons intent is.

laurarichardson said:

Once again the article I saw was on one of the local minneapolis news stations. I will try and find it. Let me put this in bold for you.

Paul did not die from a pill with a mix of Fentenyal combined with other drugs. His pills were labled as Fentenyal and that is all that was in his pills. This is not the same stituation that Prince was in at all.

There has been no mention of a connection between Paul and Prince by the media. He is someone who worked with Prince 20 years ago and since P could be known to be non-communicative at times we do not even know how much he interacted with Paul if at all since he Duane and Gilbert did a lot of stuff for him pertaining to the club. In fact the Glam Slam in Minneapolis was supposed be jointly owned by Gilbert and Prince.

Let me bold this for you...

I cannot find any news articles in Minnestota that will substantiate your claim.

So get going and find it for me.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PeteSilas said:

For those of you who state no other fentanyl was found, what did he od on the week before? I tell you it seems like suicide if he overdosed on two different drugs almost like he was gonna make sure with fentanyl.

It was never confirmed that the Moline incident was an OD. It has been discussed that it may have been a seizure.

i know, but it seems awful coincidental that those things happened so close together. within the span of a week, a guy known for being a control freak was either close to or at deaths door. must have been a reason. i'm not sure it was a siezure either, Judith Hill or anyone else, i don't necessarily believe what people say when it comes to a figure like Prince. People have all kinds of axes to grind, be it for self, for protection of an idol or to tear down an idol out of spite. The truth is a bitch to get to. I'll tell you this, Elvis' fans was not having none of this shit, they demanded and got at least some answers, even though the autopsy was never made public and there is a difference of opinion on what may have actually killed him, most people are content with knowing Elvis was given prodigious amounts of drugs and realize that that likely had most to do with his death.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

sonshine said:

This is not true. You made it up or believe someone else who made it up without proof. None of the physicians I have ever worked with the last 30 years received any kickbacks from any pharmaceutical company. In fact such things are are strictly regulated. Pharma reps can't even leave us pens! So your statement is FALSE information. And don't kid yourself. Patients come in every day asking specifically for their opiate of choice. Not because it's "hip". It's because they love the stuff. That's the bad part.

The dr I had worked for in 2005 was getting kickbacks, bonuses for prescriptions. The pharmaceutical reps also give great lunches, dinners, golf trips and vacations...one of a few perks when you work at a Drs office.

You are correct. (The ‘kickback’ laws became stricter around 2005-2007.) There are now stricter laws concerning kickbacks and the like. However that doesn’t stop data/number crunching and relying on those numbers in your business plans. I used to be a pharma a sales analyst and reported on weekly data reports from Wolters Klluwer or IMS data services; evaluating Rx’s written, at the doctor level, the number of Rx’s written in the past week. We evaluated looking for new Rx’s (more valuable that refills) and WOW, MOM, YOY overall market share trending. Believe me, the pharmaceutical companys know on a weekly basis how many individual doctors prescribed thier drug but not only their drug, but he compition in that segment as well. Pharm companies are also looking at off label prescribing in evaluations. (Another disucssion)

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As for ‘’payment’ to doctors, there are dinners, speakers’ fees, sales reps bring lunch, and conferences within reason; why do you think they being lunch and starbucks coffee to the larger offices? However even samples are regulated and accounted for. And if i remember correctly in my little corner of the market data evaluation it was a big deal at the time because Walmart didn’t report to the big data agencies, I don’t know if that is still the case. (I’ve been away from the industry for a few years.)

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And oh by the way, the pharmacies get PAID for selling YOUR data to WK/IMS, and they in turn turn around and sell that data, the very same data-- to the pharmaceutical companies. Happy little circle isn’t it?

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Qtrly, I submitted bonus numbers for sales reps based on growth/decline of market share in their territory, specific drug sales goals, and territory growth. Discussions on the pharmaceutical intustry would need a forum dedicated entirely to them.

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The only thing we know here about P is the drug used to kill him was not obtained legally, hence we can deduce it was not taken as per Doctor’s instructions resulting in a horrible outcome. As for those who are sure that drugs were given out as ‘candy’ ummmm, no not really. What’s changed is the laws have become more strict, more than that doctor’s attitudes have changed, IMHO.

Conclusion, I think discussing the Pharma Industry as a whole still doesn’t answer for the fact that the drugs he took were a) not legal and b) counterfeit and c) not a one time incident.

.

....didn't want to go into this territory... but I don't see this president curbing regulations on big pharma any thime soon. Apoligize if i offended anyone.

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really sorry this is so long, hope what I wrote makes sense because I'm really tired. if anyong has any qustions you can org note me.

Peace, DD55

fixed typo

[Edited 4/2/17 22:19pm]

[Edited 4/2/17 22:19pm]

DD55 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

sonshine said: The dr I had worked for in 2005 was getting kickbacks, bonuses for prescriptions. The pharmaceutical reps also give great lunches, dinners, golf trips and vacations...one of a few perks when you work at a Drs office.

You are correct. (The ‘kickback’ laws became stricter around 2005-2007.) There are now stricter laws concerning kickbacks and the like. However that doesn’t stop data/number crunching and relying on those numbers in your business plans. I used to be a pharma a sales analyst and reported on weekly data reports from Wolters Klluwer or IMS data services; evaluating Rx’s written, at the doctor level, the number of Rx’s written in the past week. We evaluated looking for new Rx’s (more valuable that refills) and WOW, MOM, YOY overall market share trending. Believe me, the pharmaceutical companys know on a weekly basis how many individual doctors prescribed thier drug but not only their drug, but he compition in that segment as well. Pharm companies are also looking at off label prescribing in evaluations. (Another disucssion)

.

As for ‘’payment’ to doctors, there are dinners, speakers’ fees, sales reps bring lunch, and conferences within reason; why do you think they being lunch and starbucks coffee to the larger offices? However even samples are regulated and accounted for. And if i remember correctly in my little corner of the market data evaluation it was a big deal at the time because Walmart didn’t report to the big data agencies, I don’t know if that is still the case. (I’ve been away from the industry for a few years.)

.

And oh by the way, the pharmacies get PAID for selling YOUR data to WK/IMS, and they in turn turn around and sell that data, the very same data-- to the pharmaceutical companies. Happy little circle isn’t it?

.

Qtrly, I submitted bonus numbers for sales reps based on growth/decline of market share in their territory, specific drug sales goals, and territory growth. Discussions on the pharmaceutical intustry would need a forum dedicated entirely to them.

.

The only thing we know here about P is the drug used to kill him was not obtained legally, hence we can deduce it was not taken as per Doctor’s instructions resulting in a horrible outcome. As for those who are sure that drugs were given out as ‘candy’ ummmm, no not really. What’s changed is the laws have become more strict, more than that doctor’s attitudes have changed, IMHO.

Conclusion, I think discussing the Pharma Industry as a whole still doesn’t answer for the fact that the drugs he took were a) not legal and b) counterfeit and c) not a one time incident.

.

....didn't want to go into this territory... but I don't see this president curbing regulations on big pharma any thime soon. Apoligize if i offended anyone.

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really sorry this is so long, hope what I wrote makes sense because I'm really tired. if anyong has any qustions you can org note me.

Peace, DD55

fixed typo

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[Edited 4/2/17 22:19pm]

Thank you. That was interesting to read about that side of the industry. I've dealt with loads of reps over the years, have seen the industry change drastically. They have a tough row to hoe these days. Used to be a very "prestigous" job back in the day when their main duties were to look sharp and be able to schmooze and ass-kiss the docs We used to get tons of junk for the office if you didn't mind their company and drug names plastered on everything. Many clinics have stopped allowing visits from drug reps, or have severely curtailed their access. All that is a thing of the past. Our new, young docs refuse to see reps, refuse to sign for samples, and do not rely on samples for their practice. They must be teaching them that in med school these days LOL

PeteSilas said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PeteSilas said: It was never confirmed that the Moline incident was an OD. It has been discussed that it may have been a seizure.

i know, but it seems awful coincidental that those things happened so close together. within the span of a week, a guy known for being a control freak was either close to or at deaths door. must have been a reason. i'm not sure it was a siezure either, Judith Hill or anyone else, i don't necessarily believe what people say when it comes to a figure like Prince. People have all kinds of axes to grind, be it for self, for protection of an idol or to tear down an idol out of spite. The truth is a bitch to get to. I'll tell you this, Elvis' fans was not having none of this shit, they demanded and got at least some answers, even though the autopsy was never made public and there is a difference of opinion on what may have actually killed him, most people are content with knowing Elvis was given prodigious amounts of drugs and realize that that likely had most to do with his death.

I agree, at least, that the two incidents together is one of the hardest things to explain...because it does raise the question of why, if he ODed on the way back form Atlanta, he would make the same (or a similar) mistake again so shortly afterwards. I don't think it's enough, however, to think foul play or suicide is the explanation...as I've said, several times, I just don't buy suicide, I don't think a man who had spent his entire life being so damn immaculate would deliberately chose to be found like that, and I also think he wouldn't choose to put people through that much distress. I guess with respect to how it could have happened...One, if the first OD was also caused by fentanyl, it's quite possible he didn't know that...he might just have thought it was because he was generally unwell, he might have thought it was because he mixed it with some other medication he was taking for the cold/flu or for the reported stomach pains...and maybe it was that...we don't know the cause of the first OD, or whether it was even simply an OD, and not a loss of consciousness caused by multiple factors of which opiates is only one aspect. Second, I think we have to take seriously the idea that he was pretty strung out by this point and not necessarily thinking very clearly...to return to the not admitting weakness thing...the sensible thing to do when you almost die from an OD on a plane would be to go home, rest, look after yourself, try and get medical help, and tell your friends what was going on with you and ask for support...which is almost the complete opposite of what he did (at least in the first few days). What he did actually do was completely understandable given who he was...almost his whole focus in the days afterwards was controlling the story and making sure he convinced everyone (even his closest friends) that everything was okay (when it wasn't)...that's a hell of a lot of stress and pressure to put yourself through when you are already in a very weakened state. I think it's pretty obvious he wasn't feeling well at all, it's possible as people say that he was either in withdrawal from the Narcan, or, having given himself a scare, tried not to take anything after Moline for a few days, add to that the pressure of controlling the story and being terrified that people (and hence the media) were going to find out, and how isolating it must have felt to carry all that while feeling unable to ask your friends for help...it's too much. Who knows exactly what he thought that night...I suspect he got back from the pharmacy feeling strung out (from the chemicals found in his blood and the chemicals found in the counterfeit pills tested from PP, the one discrepency is Valium...that, I think, is what he got from the pharmacy) and like complete shit, knowing that help was coming the next day, and just thought something like 'fuck it, I'll just take something to get me through the night,' and took some Valium and some painpills not knowing they had lethal amounts of fentanyl in them. It's a tragic tragic accident, one which was faciliated by certain aspects of his personality...which is not to say I blame him for it, at all.

It seems to me, after briefly googling just now the death of the former
Grand Slam manger found dead alone in his home 8 weeks after Prince,
that some of the detailed information is missing from the press write ups.
I believe these deadly counterfeit fentyl mixed pills are still being
investigated by the DEA, perhaps they redacted some info.
There are specific things I remember reading, that are no longer available online.
I hate to say this, it is dark, but maybe they (P and the GS manger)
knew these were badly tainted (what, 1 pill alone 10x the dose, and combined w/ other ingredients/ drugs)
Going thru a heavy psyical opiate withdrawl is reportly sheer hell and torture.
If that's what you have left... if you are in the dark night of the soul, alone.
If you are sick and tired of being sick and tired.
So very sad. And so very lonely, this addiction, especially when our society shames these people in grievous real daily pain, and then takes away.
Try getting a 10 day script for pain pills now days after say, gallbladder surgery. Practically waived off w/ the suggestion of Tylenol, or take your weak surgered ass out to the pharmacy to get yourself w/ 4 copies of ID.

PeteSilas said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

jayseajay said: Sadly that happened in all races...not just one.

yes, i know that, but you'd have to know how black men were in that generation to know what i'm talking about. They were harder men, they were harsher and they were angry. Just ask some of the folks here. So, you have all the crazy european rules of child discipline PLUS all the craziness of the slavery and the jim crow eras all in one. It's a lot to deal with, believe me, i was on the recieving end of it. Prince was not alone. He knew that too. My sister was put on restriction for months at a time for not washing a plate good enough or whatever and she was beaten, she did not turn out like Prince, she became an alcoholic and a prostitute and died at 29.

anyway, we're getting off topic, i do agree that Prince had never really learned to deal with a lot of things. I also think, he was a tough, tough man, he didn't want people feeling sorry for him like Michael Jackson often courted. He never thought it was cool to show weakness. A survival strategy? Sure. How much that was responsible for his death? whos' to say. Right now, there are several scenarios, I still suicide is a possible one. but you guys bring up a great point, his inability to show weakness, to get help when it was supposedly just down the road from him, just indicates he was too ashamed and fearful of word getting out of his problem. It's still a mystery.

I agree with you, he was incredibly strong, both mentally and - until the last couple of years - physically...and he was also absolutely fearless in many respects...and in a lot of ways I admire that about him...and it served him well in lots of ways. Unfortunately, I don't think it served him well at all with regard to this situation.

206Michelle said:

laurarichardson said:

I do not think he knew how to show weakness. He once said he felt like he raised himself since he was 12. If you feel you have to look after yourself at a young age and have no one you can depend on you are not going to be weak.

You do not make it in the industry like he did by being weak.

I agree with what you are saying here, for the most part. However, the ability to admit weakness or show vulnerability at appropriate times shows strength. A person shows strength when s/he admits that s/he needs help. The willingness to ask for help acknowledges that one is not perfect and that seeking help can help the person improve in areas of weakness or vulnerability or weakness. In otherwords, sometimes admitting weakness is necessary in order to become stronger or to make necessary changes in one's life.

So much this.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

You can fucking laugh all day if you to but I know there is no information about a connection between these two incidents. I already looked that up. If these two guys were rolling together and the police found that Paul's and Prince's pills had the exact same ingredients we might have heard more about in almost a year. I will look when I time in the meantime why don't you look. I post plenty of content to this site and I think your fingers can type just as well as mind.

laurarichardson said:

When you look you will find that there are no articles connecting their deaths.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

Once again the article I saw was on one of the local minneapolis news stations. I will try and find it. Let me put this in bold for you.

Paul did not die from a pill with a mix of Fentenyal combined with other drugs. His pills were labled as Fentenyal and that is all that was in his pills. This is not the same stituation that Prince was in at all.

There has been no mention of a connection between Paul and Prince by the media. He is someone who worked with Prince 20 years ago and since P could be known to be non-communicative at times we do not even know how much he interacted with Paul if at all since he Duane and Gilbert did a lot of stuff for him pertaining to the club. In fact the Glam Slam in Minneapolis was supposed be jointly owned by Gilbert and Prince.

Let me bold this for you...

I cannot find any news articles in Minnestota that will substantiate your claim.

So get going and find it for me.

Let me bold it for you. A mix of Fentenyal and Coke in a powder form and the police found no connection between the two of them. I guess next Prince will be connected to any one who dies from an Overdose because that is all he did his whole of his life.

http://kstp.com/medical/realtor-paul-pudlitzke-fetanyl-toxicity-drugs-prince-overdose-glam-slam/4344056/

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Let me bold this for you...

I cannot find any news articles in Minnestota that will substantiate your claim.

So get going and find it for me.

Let me bold it for you. A mix of Fentenyal and Coke in a powder form and the police found no connection between the two of them. I guess next Prince will be connected to any one who dies from an Overdose because that is all he did his whole of his life.

http://kstp.com/medical/realtor-paul-pudlitzke-fetanyl-toxicity-drugs-prince-overdose-glam-slam/4344056/

For months, the cause of death for a popular west metro realtor was unknown - until now.

KSTP obtained the autopsy report from the Hennepin County Medical Examiner on 48-year-old Paul Pudlitzke. It revealed he died from fentanyl toxicity. It's one of the same potent drugs that killed his friend and former boss, Prince.

RELATED: Iconic Minnesota...Dead at 57

It was back in June when police were called to the Minnetonka home of Pudlitzke. By the time they arrived, he was already gone. Early indications were he died from an overdose. Investigators suspected there was something else in what appeared to be a white powdery substance.

Paul Pudlitzke

KSTP

The medical examiner's report from Hennepin County, confirmed that suspicion. There was a toxic mix of cocaine and fentanyl in his system, more than his body could handle.

As a longtime substance abuse expert for the state, Carol Falkowski understands fentanyl-related fatalities are sudden, swift and surging. In Hennepin County alone, they've tripled in two years. Statewide, there were 36 last year, "this is a really strong drug and just a little bit can kill you."

It only takes an amount smaller than a coin, according to the Centers for Disease Control. The agency puts fentanyl at 50-100 times more potent than morphine.

It's not clear how Pudlitzke took the high-powered opiate. The autopsy shows it was self-administered and the manner of death was ruled accidental, "it's often the case that the people who are buying it have no idea and the people who are selling it may have no idea that it has fentanyl in it either," according to Falkowski.

Minnetonka police investigated Pudlitzke's death as a crime and set out to track down the supplier. Officer's knew of Pudlitzke's connection to Prince, who's death two months earlier is the most famous example of the dangers posed by fentanyl.

Before being a realtor, Pudlitzke ran the rock star's Minneapolis nightclub "Glam Slam" in the 90s. But police say they came up empty and there's no indication Pudlitzke shared the same supplier as Prince. What has become clear, is how rampant fentanyl is.

Minnesota state law lets police go after the person who provided a drug that results in death. The criminal charge would be third degree murder. In Pudlitzke's death, a case for prosecution couldn't be made. The death investigation for Prince is ongoing.

County prosecutors along with the U.S. Attorney's office have made it a priority to hold drug suppliers accountable. And just last month, law enforcement in Hennepin County made the largest fentanyl bust not only in the state, but the country. Nearly three-quarters of a gallon was seized from a home in Bloomington.

And last year, the DEA along with the CDC put out a nationwide alert about the dangers of illicit fentanyl.

It was officially named an illegal substance in September.

Laura, you need to chill. I'm not laughing at you.

No one ever said they were connected.

I see your bold, and I will raise you with a bold and an underline.

laurarichardson said:

Ahhh gotcha you may be right for some with maybe not the sort of pain i have perhaps they do. I would give anything to have an alternative but ive tried it all and nothing else works. It truly sux. Thank God they help me not make my life worse. As my dr said the key is always ro make sure they are enhancing my quality of life not hindering. So far so good.