PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Serene777 said:

Yes, that was communicated to me when I took my tour. I point blank asked the question and the person told me that no one knows for sure and that the thought was that he was trying to get to his car in the garage. I found that interesting because the media never reported which floor they found him on. [Edited 4/9/17 12:06pm]

Thanks for responding. I also find that odd they mentioned he was going to his car. After all we were told If Prince took pills he would not be going out for a ride...especially if he took the laced pills, he would have been falling asleep. Seems he was trying to leave and wonder who he might have been trying to get away from...

Keep in my mind in the months before his death he was seen around his town driving himself. I never been able to figure out how he was able to drive around if he was so out of it on pain pills.

If you are abusing these meds I would supspect your ablity to function is going to be vastly different from someone who is taking a normal dosage.

IamBryan said:

but why was he found with his clothes on backwards?! Not that we'll ever know...

Given his odd fashion sense, maybe that's how he preferred to dress before bed.

laurarichardson said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Serene777 said: Thanks for responding. I also find that odd they mentioned he was going to his car. After all we were told If Prince took pills he would not be going out for a ride...especially if he took the laced pills, he would have been falling asleep. Seems he was trying to leave and wonder who he might have been trying to get away from...

Keep in my mind in the months before his death he was seen around his town driving himself. I never been able to figure out how he was able to drive around if he was so out of it on pain pills.

If you are abusing these meds I would supspect your ablity to function is going to be vastly different from someone who is taking a normal dosage.

YES~ There is a difference between USER and ABUSER

I had a pancreatitus a few years back..major pain...In Hospital I was doped out on Morphine for a week, then sent home with some heavy duty stuff that took the edge off...BUT..I felt STONED all the time...and tired...

On the odd occasion I went from USER to ABUSER .when the pain was too much I took double doses and slept for hours on end...There was no way I could do anything other than that...

Flirt1 said:

Good question! I don't know--but I'm assuming that in order to meet code the elevator had to have an emergency button/phone. Hmmm 🤔

laurarichardson said:

Yes ....and playing really good as always and not stumbling around in public, actually if he was withdrawing or on something so serious he was gravely ill he would not have been out being seen at all....because he would have wanted to keep that private....yet he was out and being seen proving to us now he was ok. Even going to the theater, not alone but with others.

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

First, he did not stay long at that party and did not even play.

Second, going to that concert implied sitting down for the whole length of it and, most importantly, being seen carriying on as if all was fine.

Third, the bike ride (if the images are indeed from that period of time) can be understood as another way of showing all is fine, that even if the tabloids are stating something is wrong, he was, in fact, seen riding a bike around PP, so rumours must be untrue.

For those who say that Prince himself told people to not believe the papers after the Moline incident: the papers only stated the flu. Perhaps he was worried that soon they would state an overdose, because of hospital records, etc. and was making sure nobody would believe the papers once again cause he was, after all, going about his normal business. Prince went to great lengths to be private and keep his personal business away from the public eye. But remeber the paper headlines concerning his baby? There was a rumour that the baby had been born with physical defects. And what did Prince tell Oprah? "It's all good, don't believe everything you read". But the papers had indeed written the truth. So Prince lied. To protect his privacy.
Prince was a human being that felt the terrible burden of never showing weakness. Ultimately, that killed him.

Because it was not any of Opra's fucking business. Once again he said he felt like he raised himself since he was 12 he did not have choice but to not show weakness. Anyway you are going to continue to ignore some glaringly obvious things no matter how many times things are pointed out to you.

No, Laura, I'm not ignoring obvious things, I'm considering all possibilities because, quite frankly, my dear, none of us know the truth.

laurarichardson said:

paulludvig said:

But can you even pretend to be alright if your in serious withdrawl? Wouldn't you be sweating and shaking and throwing up?

--Of course you would be sick as hell. Something else was going with his health people can keep sticking their heads in the sand.

And I never denied that possibility either!

But in the same way you cannot state for sure it was an ilness you also cannot state for sure that it wasn't a drug dependency/addiction.

Lovejunky said:

---Had pancreatitis, gallbladder surgery and a cyst remove. Under pain med in a hospital under normal dosage and was in a bad way. Took Percocet at home and took more than should have and was like a zombie. Both normal dosage and over dosage no human is going tone doing to much of anything abusing these meds.

https://www.psychologytod...our-office
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"The depiction of the opiate addict as unemployed, homeless, or hustling to buy dope by doing street crimes, certainly has its place in society and our history, since opium and heroin became pervasive in the US in the 1900s. But there are far more opiate abusers who have jobs, families, and even an outwardly-displayed sense of stability. Their hidden secret is what ultimately kills them if they don’t reach out for treatment before they overdose for the last time."

disch said:

https://www.psychologytod...our-office - "The depiction of the opiate addict as unemployed, homeless, or hustling to buy dope by doing street crimes, certainly has its place in society and our history, since opium and heroin became pervasive in the US in the 1900s. But there are far more opiate abusers who have jobs, families, and even an outwardly-displayed sense of stability. Their hidden secret is what ultimately kills them if they don’t reach out for treatment before they overdose for the last time."

Why is this so hard to accept? Are people worried they might think less of Prince for it? Then that's a problem, I can understand that. Personally, I'm open to this possibility. There are as many signs of this as of a possible illness, so why not even consider it?

disch said:

https://www.psychologytod...our-office - "The depiction of the opiate addict as unemployed, homeless, or hustling to buy dope by doing street crimes, certainly has its place in society and our history, since opium and heroin became pervasive in the US in the 1900s. But there are far more opiate abusers who have jobs, families, and even an outwardly-displayed sense of stability. Their hidden secret is what ultimately kills them if they don’t reach out for treatment before they overdose for the last time."

What was the point in posting this? How hard headed are you? I have no problem believing a person taking a normal dosage would be fine. I do not believe for one minute that Prince was sitting in the basement of Paisley Park stuffing pain pills down his mouth for the last 20- 30 years and when I say stuffing I mean abusing.

I believe he has an Rx for this stuff sometime in the past as he could not have had surgery and not have had an Rx. I think this health ( increased pain/health issues) or trying to go cold turkey got the best of him in his last months of his life.

This is not the narravtive the media is selling and apparently it is not what you want to belived despite numerous people around him saying reapeatly that "we do not know the whole story" and that " know one saw him out it". His stituation is a little different and the amount of projecting going on here is ridculous.

I imagine some people have such deeply held prejudices and stereotypes about pepole struggling with addiction that it's hard to alter those at all. I guess there's a normal human impulse to rank people in a variety of ways, and in some people's rank order, addiction means that someone a bad, unworthy person deserving of society's contempt.

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I also think some people tend to project their own experience -- "I took prescribed opioids this one time and hoo-boy did they knock me!" -- onto other people generally. And in the case of Prince, people forget that he was a professional performer. The best performer in the world. And that means projecting a certain image despite whatever physical or emotional struggles he had going on.

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So when people say, "He couldn't have been in withdrwawal! He appeared in front of his paisley park party for 15 minutes a few days before he died and he didn't fall over!" or "He couldn't have been dependent on opioids! He did a bunch of Piano and Microphone shows!" they're projection how THEY would have been able to deal with such situations. Not how the greatest performer in the world did.

MMJas said:

disch said:

https://www.psychologytod...our-office - "The depiction of the opiate addict as unemployed, homeless, or hustling to buy dope by doing street crimes, certainly has its place in society and our history, since opium and heroin became pervasive in the US in the 1900s. But there are far more opiate abusers who have jobs, families, and even an outwardly-displayed sense of stability. Their hidden secret is what ultimately kills them if they don’t reach out for treatment before they overdose for the last time."

Why is this so hard to accept? Are people worried they might think less of Prince for it? Then that's a problem, I can understand that. Personally, I'm open to this possibility. There are as many signs of this as of a possible illness, so why not even consider it?

[Edited 4/10/17 6:33am]

disch said:

I imagine some people have such deeply held prejudices and stereotypes about pepole struggling with addiction that it's hard to alter those at all. I guess there's a normal human impulse to rank people in a variety of ways, and in some people's rank order, addiction means that someone a bad, unworthy person deserving of society's contempt.

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I also think some people tend to project their own experience -- "I took prescribed opioids this one time and hoo-boy did they knock me!" -- onto other people generally. And in the case of Prince, people forget that he was a professional performer. The best performer in the world. And that means projecting a certain image despite whatever physical or emotional struggles he had going on.

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So when people say, "He couldn't have been in withdrwawal! He appeared in front of his paisley park party for 15 minutes a few days before he died and he didn't fall over!" or "He couldn't have been dependent on opioids! He did a bunch of Piano and Microphone shows!" they're projection how THEY would have been able to deal with such situations. Not how the greatest performer in the world did.

MMJas said:

Why is this so hard to accept? Are people worried they might think less of Prince for it? Then that's a problem, I can understand that. Personally, I'm open to this possibility. There are as many signs of this as of a possible illness, so why not even consider it?

[Edited 4/10/17 6:33am]

I mean, we're commenting on a thread called "Prince on April 21, 2016...what was going through his mind?"!!!!!! Only Prince knows what was going on in his mind, so we are all projecting, speculating, etc.

Agreed. And as for me, it's hard enough sometimes to understand the complete thought process of, say, my own family members -- let alone a world-renowned rock star!

MMJas said:

disch said:

I imagine some people have such deeply held prejudices and stereotypes about pepole struggling with addiction that it's hard to alter those at all. I guess there's a normal human impulse to rank people in a variety of ways, and in some people's rank order, addiction means that someone a bad, unworthy person deserving of society's contempt.

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I also think some people tend to project their own experience -- "I took prescribed opioids this one time and hoo-boy did they knock me!" -- onto other people generally. And in the case of Prince, people forget that he was a professional performer. The best performer in the world. And that means projecting a certain image despite whatever physical or emotional struggles he had going on.

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So when people say, "He couldn't have been in withdrwawal! He appeared in front of his paisley park party for 15 minutes a few days before he died and he didn't fall over!" or "He couldn't have been dependent on opioids! He did a bunch of Piano and Microphone shows!" they're projection how THEY would have been able to deal with such situations. Not how the greatest performer in the world did.

[Edited 4/10/17 6:33am]

I mean, we're commenting on a thread called "Prince on April 21, 2016...what was going through his mind?"!!!!!! Only Prince knows what was going on in his mind, so we are all projecting, speculating, etc.

The greatest performer in the world could not have avoided the side effects of these pills for years or the effects of withdrawal especially if it was a cold turkey situation. He got on a plane and flew to Australia and stayed down there extra time to wait for his piano to be flown in from PP to do the shows in Perth (could be wrong about the city) this means he took a long flight stayed longer than was planned did several acoustic shows with no problems.

No vomiting, no constipation, no being glued to a bed or just running off stage. No side effects of the pills or withdrawals behavior noticed by anyone the whole tour be it audience members or promotors.

I recently watched the show Intervention which had a few pain pill users on it and despite abusing these drugs none of them looked as emancipated as Prince did just from the Australia show pictures alone. There was even a comment in a Facebook group that one of the chefs said "We were lied to about his health" since some nut has accused the chefs of poisoning him.

There is a whole rack of other evidence that points to health issues the main one being the fact that Tidal is saying that they do not have Prince's signature on the Equity Term Agreement because they have proof someone has Power of Attorney to sign for him.

Now a person known for being controlling either gave someone POA because he was ill or something sneaky was going on but we are going to find out soon enough as this case makes it way through court.

disch said:

I think some people tend to project their own experience -- "I took prescribed opioids this one time and hoo-boy did they knock me!" -- onto other people generally. And in the case of Prince, people forget that he was a professional performer. The best performer in the world. And that means projecting a certain image despite whatever physical or emotional struggles he had going on.

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So when people say, "He couldn't have been in withdrwawal! He appeared in front of his paisley park party for 15 minutes a few days before he died and he didn't fall over!" or "He couldn't have been dependent on opioids! He did a bunch of Piano and Microphone shows!" they're projection how THEY would have been able to deal with such situations. Not how the greatest performer in the world did.

MMJas said:

Why is this so hard to accept? Are people worried they might think less of Prince for it? Then that's a problem, I can understand that. Personally, I'm open to this possibility. There are as many signs of this as of a possible illness, so why not even consider it?

laurarichardson said:

The greatest performer in the world could not have avoided the side effects of these pills for years or the effects of withdrawal especially if it was a cold turkey situation. He got on a plane and flew to Australia and stayed down there extra time to wait for his piano to be flown in from PP to do the shows in Perth (could be wrong about the city) this means he took a long flight stayed longer than was planned did several acoustic shows with no problems.

No vomiting, no constipation, no being glued to a bed or just running off stage. No side effects of the pills or withdrawals behavior noticed by anyone the whole tour be it audience members or promotors.

I recently watched the show Intervention which had a few pain pill users on it and despite abusing these drugs none of them looked as emancipated as Prince did just from the Australia show pictures alone. There was even a comment in a Facebook group that one of the chefs said "We were lied to about his health" since some nut has accused the chefs of poisoning him.

There is a whole rack of other evidence that points to health issues the main one being the fact that Tidal is saying that they do not have Prince's signature on the Equity Term Agreement because they have proof someone has Power of Attorney to sign for him.

Now a person known for being controlling either gave someone POA because he was ill or something sneaky was going on but we are going to find out soon enough as this case makes it way through court.

I'm more inclined to believe something sneaky was going on. It makes no sense he gave someone POA because he was ill, imo. He would have to be bed ridden type of ill, but he was playing concerts.

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

The greatest performer in the world could not have avoided the side effects of these pills for years or the effects of withdrawal especially if it was a cold turkey situation. He got on a plane and flew to Australia and stayed down there extra time to wait for his piano to be flown in from PP to do the shows in Perth (could be wrong about the city) this means he took a long flight stayed longer than was planned did several acoustic shows with no problems.

No vomiting, no constipation, no being glued to a bed or just running off stage. No side effects of the pills or withdrawals behavior noticed by anyone the whole tour be it audience members or promotors.

I recently watched the show Intervention which had a few pain pill users on it and despite abusing these drugs none of them looked as emancipated as Prince did just from the Australia show pictures alone. There was even a comment in a Facebook group that one of the chefs said "We were lied to about his health" since some nut has accused the chefs of poisoning him.

There is a whole rack of other evidence that points to health issues the main one being the fact that Tidal is saying that they do not have Prince's signature on the Equity Term Agreement because they have proof someone has Power of Attorney to sign for him.

Now a person known for being controlling either gave someone POA because he was ill or something sneaky was going on but we are going to find out soon enough as this case makes it way through court.

I'm more inclined to believe something sneaky was going on. It makes no sense he gave someone POA because he was ill, imo. He would have to be bed ridden type of ill, but he was playing concerts.

We will see soon enough. It is very easy to tell if a signature is forged and POA is usually done when someone is at death's door.

I can share from direct knowledge and experience of "my problem" with the addiction scenario from a couple of perspectives.

1) I have investigated and closed several internal cases of theft by pharmacists and techs. I know from direct knowledge that addiction can and does affect people from all walks of life. There were tell tail signs for a long period of time and that is why my investigations were started. Red flags. The post by DISCH is one sided.
You can read information about addiction but really there's no way to put it to reality. My suggestion is that if you really want to know....go to a NA meeting. Go to an AA meeting. Hear the TRUTH from these people, out of their mouths. Listen to the folks in their lives and the enablers. Then you will know the truth.

2) I have direct knowledge of addiction and how it affects others. I tried for 8 long years to help someone that I loved. I was with them every day. I can tell you that IF P was addicted the folks around him would have known, there is no way around it.

We have a named source stating that P had the flu.
TMZ started the drug mess. UNAMED SOURCES and it continues. The media has looked for trash for what?? over 30 years??? Nada. Until the media puts A NAME behind a statement I consider it a lie. The ME said "accidental overdose of Fentanyl" in her media release. That doesn't mean he was addicted to ANYTHING. For all anyone knows P could have thought he was taking something to settle his stomach. All I'm saying is that if you are gonna label someone get your facts straight.....and we have none!!

zenarose said:

I can share from direct knowledge and experience of "my problem" with the addiction scenario from a couple of perspectives. 1) I have investigated and closed several internal cases of theft by pharmacists and techs. I know from direct knowledge that addiction can and does affect people from all walks of life. There were tell tail signs for a long period of time and that is why my investigations were started. Red flags. The post by DISCH is one sided. You can read information about addiction but really there's no way to put it to reality. My suggestion is that if you really want to know....go to a NA meeting. Go to an AA meeting. Hear the TRUTH from these people, out of their mouths. Listen to the folks in their lives and the enablers. Then you will know the truth. 2) I have direct knowledge of addiction and how it affects others. I tried for 8 long years to help someone that I loved. I was with them every day. I can tell you that IF P was addicted the folks around him would have known, there is no way around it. We have a named source stating that P had the flu. TMZ started the drug mess. UNAMED SOURCES and it continues. The media has looked for trash for what?? over 30 years??? Nada. Until the media puts A NAME behind a statement I consider it a lie. The ME said "accidental overdose of Fentanyl" in her media release. That doesn't mean he was addicted to ANYTHING. For all anyone knows P could have thought he was taking something to settle his stomach. All I'm saying is that if you are gonna label someone get your facts straight.....and we have none!!

Thank you. I have family members who have had drug and alcohol problems. These people could not hold the simpliest jobs while using.

I want the people saying he was wacked out to put their names on their comments. Estates cannot sue for defamation but not one person has said anything. All speculation has come from the media.

Prince could do a lot of things but keeping people quiet from the grave is not one of those things

[Edited 4/10/17 7:38am]

What people here have said he was "wacked out of his mind" (besides you when you've used that expression and other similar ones, when you're insisting that's what others here are arguing)? Please link to the post, because I recall exactly no one here using an expression anything like that to describe Prince, but I think I spend far less time here than you do, so it's possible I missed something.

laurarichardson said:

zenarose said:

I can share from direct knowledge and experience of "my problem" with the addiction scenario from a couple of perspectives. 1) I have investigated and closed several internal cases of theft by pharmacists and techs. I know from direct knowledge that addiction can and does affect people from all walks of life. There were tell tail signs for a long period of time and that is why my investigations were started. Red flags. The post by DISCH is one sided. You can read information about addiction but really there's no way to put it to reality. My suggestion is that if you really want to know....go to a NA meeting. Go to an AA meeting. Hear the TRUTH from these people, out of their mouths. Listen to the folks in their lives and the enablers. Then you will know the truth. 2) I have direct knowledge of addiction and how it affects others. I tried for 8 long years to help someone that I loved. I was with them every day. I can tell you that IF P was addicted the folks around him would have known, there is no way around it. We have a named source stating that P had the flu. TMZ started the drug mess. UNAMED SOURCES and it continues. The media has looked for trash for what?? over 30 years??? Nada. Until the media puts A NAME behind a statement I consider it a lie. The ME said "accidental overdose of Fentanyl" in her media release. That doesn't mean he was addicted to ANYTHING. For all anyone knows P could have thought he was taking something to settle his stomach. All I'm saying is that if you are gonna label someone get your facts straight.....and we have none!!

Thank you. I have family members who have had drug and alcohol problems. These people could not hold the simpliest jobs while using.

I want the people saying he was wacked out to put their names on their comments. Estates cannot sue for defamation but not one person has said anything. All speculation has come from the media.

Prince could do a lot of things but keeping people quiet from the grave is not one of those things

[Edited 4/10/17 7:51am]

disch said:

At the same time there are so little hard facts we know that everything is projection (or assumptions) in a way.

rogifan said:

What do you consider to be "hard facts"?

zenarose said:

I can share from direct knowledge and experience of "my problem" with the addiction scenario from a couple of perspectives. 1) I have investigated and closed several internal cases of theft by pharmacists and techs. I know from direct knowledge that addiction can and does affect people from all walks of life. There were tell tail signs for a long period of time and that is why my investigations were started. Red flags. The post by DISCH is one sided. You can read information about addiction but really there's no way to put it to reality. My suggestion is that if you really want to know....go to a NA meeting. Go to an AA meeting. Hear the TRUTH from these people, out of their mouths. Listen to the folks in their lives and the enablers. Then you will know the truth. 2) I have direct knowledge of addiction and how it affects others. I tried for 8 long years to help someone that I loved. I was with them every day. I can tell you that IF P was addicted the folks around him would have known, there is no way around it. We have a named source stating that P had the flu. TMZ started the drug mess. UNAMED SOURCES and it continues. The media has looked for trash for what?? over 30 years??? Nada. Until the media puts A NAME behind a statement I consider it a lie. The ME said "accidental overdose of Fentanyl" in her media release. That doesn't mean he was addicted to ANYTHING. For all anyone knows P could have thought he was taking something to settle his stomach. All I'm saying is that if you are gonna label someone get your facts straight.....and we have none!!

Zena, you know I respect you a lot. I also respect Laura, I have never had any problems with Laura and unlike some people complaint about with regards to their own personal experience with her, we have had cordial interactions and discussions on here even though we sometimes have totally antagonic views. So let me just ask this, and bear in mind I'm not advocating one thing or another, simply keeping an open mind about it: the same way Prince could have been seriously ill he could have been seriously addicted to painkillers withough necessarily having to be "whacked out of his head" and his associates are just respecting his privacy either way, don't you agree? That's all that I'm saying. It could be one thing or the other, hell, it could even be both!
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My stepmother is an alcoholic. She never acnowledged it and she has a steady job which she has done for the past 40 years! Because she is so in control of things and manages to do just fine regardless of her adiction problem, nobody does a thing about it. It seems she only lets herself loose control is after the job is done and she's at home. My dad is the only witness to this and if he had not told me how hard it is to live with this type of alcoholic, we would never have known.

[Edited 4/10/17 8:18am]

zenarose said:

Agree with this

If it makes you fell better take out wacked out of his mind and substitute " abusing" because that word has been used many times. I love how you never address any of the issues brought up but love to get caught up on Semantics. I have said it numerous times if something was hurting him so what if he was taking pain pills. He was working getting things done and he was not on the street corner selling them. It is obvious that someone fucked up and he got some bad stuff and that is really what the focus should be on instead of long post about addiction.

disch said:

What people here have said he was "wacked out of his mind" (besides you when you've used that expression and other similar ones, when you're insisting that's what others here are arguing)? Please link to the post, because I recall exactly no one here using an expression anything like that to describe Prince, but I think I spend far less time here than you do, so it's possible I missed something.

laurarichardson said:

Thank you. I have family members who have had drug and alcohol problems. These people could not hold the simpliest jobs while using.

I want the people saying he was wacked out to put their names on their comments. Estates cannot sue for defamation but not one person has said anything. All speculation has come from the media.

Prince could do a lot of things but keeping people quiet from the grave is not one of those things

[Edited 4/10/17 7:51am]

MMJas said:

zenarose said:

I can share from direct knowledge and experience of "my problem" with the addiction scenario from a couple of perspectives. 1) I have investigated and closed several internal cases of theft by pharmacists and techs. I know from direct knowledge that addiction can and does affect people from all walks of life. There were tell tail signs for a long period of time and that is why my investigations were started. Red flags. The post by DISCH is one sided. You can read information about addiction but really there's no way to put it to reality. My suggestion is that if you really want to know....go to a NA meeting. Go to an AA meeting. Hear the TRUTH from these people, out of their mouths. Listen to the folks in their lives and the enablers. Then you will know the truth. 2) I have direct knowledge of addiction and how it affects others. I tried for 8 long years to help someone that I loved. I was with them every day. I can tell you that IF P was addicted the folks around him would have known, there is no way around it. We have a named source stating that P had the flu. TMZ started the drug mess. UNAMED SOURCES and it continues. The media has looked for trash for what?? over 30 years??? Nada. Until the media puts A NAME behind a statement I consider it a lie. The ME said "accidental overdose of Fentanyl" in her media release. That doesn't mean he was addicted to ANYTHING. For all anyone knows P could have thought he was taking something to settle his stomach. All I'm saying is that if you are gonna label someone get your facts straight.....and we have none!!

Zena, you know I respect you a lot. I also respect Laura, I have never had any problems with Laura and unlike some people complaint about with regards to their own personal experience with her, we have had cordial interactions and discussions on here even though we sometimes have totally antagonic views. So let me just ask this, and bear in mind I'm not advocating one thing or another, simply keeping an open mind about it: the same way Prince could have been seriously ill he could have been seriously addicted to painkillers withough necessarily having to be "whacked out of his head" and his associates are just respecting his privacy either way, don't you agree? That's all that I'm saying. It could be one thing or the other, hell, it could even be both!
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My stepmother is an alcoholic. She never acnowledged it and she has a steady job which she has done for the past 40 years! Because she is so in control of things and manages to do just fine regardless of her adiction problem, nobody does a thing about it. It seems she only lets herself loose control is after the job is done and she's at home. My dad is the only witness to this and if he had not told me how hard it is to live with this type of alcoholic, we would never have known.

[Edited 4/10/17 8:18am]

But has anyone said that pain pills may him hard to deal with. In fact we have good reports about his behaivor going back about 15 years. It sounds like he was more of a pain in the ass back in the 80s and early 90s but mellowed out later.

Once again who cares if he with using these things if he needed them and he was not hurting anyone. I am sorry to hear about your stepmother because she is hurting your Dad.

MMJas said:

My take on this is that none of us know. The fact that people are so easily accepting what the media says without question is overwhelming to me. What are they basing their conclusions on??? That the media is always straight forward and reports only truth?? If the media prints or reports something and later they find it was false print a retraction??? We know all that is BS
All I am saying is that we don't know and I feel like P is being falsely labeled.
I know that you (MMJas) are open minded and that you like myself are searching for the truth. We have been down many roads in the discussions on threads. I respect your thoughts and you have several times been the fuel for my continuous research of many things. 😃

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

Zena, you know I respect you a lot. I also respect Laura, I have never had any problems with Laura and unlike some people complaint about with regards to their own personal experience with her, we have had cordial interactions and discussions on here even though we sometimes have totally antagonic views. So let me just ask this, and bear in mind I'm not advocating one thing or another, simply keeping an open mind about it: the same way Prince could have been seriously ill he could have been seriously addicted to painkillers withough necessarily having to be "whacked out of his head" and his associates are just respecting his privacy either way, don't you agree? That's all that I'm saying. It could be one thing or the other, hell, it could even be both!
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My stepmother is an alcoholic. She never acnowledged it and she has a steady job which she has done for the past 40 years! Because she is so in control of things and manages to do just fine regardless of her adiction problem, nobody does a thing about it. It seems she only lets herself loose control is after the job is done and she's at home. My dad is the only witness to this and if he had not told me how hard it is to live with this type of alcoholic, we would never have known.

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But has anyone said that pain pills may him hard to deal with. In fact we have good reports about his behaivor going back about 15 years. It sounds like he was more of a pain in the ass back in the 80s and early 90s but mellowed out later.

Once again who cares if he with using these things if he needed them and he was not hurting anyone. I am sorry to hear about your stepmother because she is hurting your Dad.

Yes, he sure mellowed out in later years, but I think that is more to do with age.
Thanks, Laura. She sure is.

zenarose said:

MMJas said:

Zena, you know I respect you a lot. I also respect Laura, I have never had any problems with Laura and unlike some people complaint about with regards to their own personal experience with her, we have had cordial interactions and discussions on here even though we sometimes have totally antagonic views. So let me just ask this, and bear in mind I'm not advocating one thing or another, simply keeping an open mind about it: the same way Prince could have been seriously ill he could have been seriously addicted to painkillers withough necessarily having to be "whacked out of his head" and his associates are just respecting his privacy either way, don't you agree? That's all that I'm saying. It could be one thing or the other, hell, it could even be both!
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My stepmother is an alcoholic. She never acnowledged it and she has a steady job which she has done for the past 40 years! Because she is so in control of things and manages to do just fine regardless of her adiction problem, nobody does a thing about it. It seems she only lets herself loose control is after the job is done and she's at home. My dad is the only witness to this and if he had not told me how hard it is to live with this type of alcoholic, we would never have known.

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My take on this is that none of us know. The fact that people are so easily accepting what the media says without question is overwhelming to me. What are they basing their conclusions on??? That the media is always straight forward and reports only truth?? If the media prints or reports something and later they find it was false print a retraction??? We know all that is BS All I am saying is that we don't know and I feel like P is being falsely labeled. I know that you (MMJas) are open minded and that you like myself are searching for the truth. We have been down many roads in the discussions on threads. I respect your thoughts and you have several times been the fuel for my continuous research of many things. 😃

Yes, so you know I don't believe the media narrative per se.

Thanks for your words, Zena.

MMJas said:

That would be a point.... P never was "off" he was always "on". Always someone around him. Someone would have known.