sonshine said:

Unless someone is being charged with a crime what more do we need to know? If some people can't find closure without knowing the "why" then perhaps they need to seek professional help.

rogifan said:

MMJas said:

So Mayte just confirmed in an interview that it wasn't aspirin what Prince asked her to flush down the toilet...

http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/920388163635

I don't get how something that happened in the mid 90s is related to what happened in April 2016. I also don't get why Mayte feels the need to disclose this. If the implication is he's abused (or had a dependency on painkillers) since then I think he would have been dead long before April 2016.

It is not related and having listen to Jerome's interview he said that whenever Prince had a problem he would usually drink a glass of wine. We have heard a lot of people say that pre JW he had a nice wine collection and liked drinking ports.

He could have really swallowed aspiran for a headache and been drinking wine. I do not believe he was abusing pills for 20 years and lived as long as he did and I cannot see him not showing the signs or even the side effects of these meds when the lived and traveled together.

[Edited 4/14/17 5:45am]

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

MMJas said: I don't get how something that happened in the mid 90s is related to what happened in April 2016. I also don't get why Mayte feels the need to disclose this. If the implication is he's abused (or had a dependency on painkillers) since then I think he would have been dead long before April 2016.

It is not related and having listen to Jerome's interview he said that whenever Prince had a problem he would usually dring a glass of wine. We have heard a lot of people say that pre JW he had a nice wine collection and liked drinking ports.

He could have really swallowed aspiran for a headache and been drinking wine. I do not believe he was abusing pills for 20 years and lived as long as he did and I cannot see him not showing the signs or even the side effects of these meds when the lived and traveled together.

Ok, Laura, but he was showing the signs of pill abuse from 2014 onwards, be it directly from it or because he became seriously ill as a result.

laurarichardson said:

Is she disclosing this because she's trying to make that connection (or wanting the media to make it for her)? 20 years ago he allegedly asked her to flush some pills down the toilet...ahh the accidental OD that caused his death makes sense now. Wut??

I don't know if it was always the case that PP was alcohol free but on one of a Funkenberry's podcasts Adrian Crutchfield talked about how he and few other NPG Hornz players once snuck some alcohol into PP without Prince finding out.
[Edited 4/14/17 5:11am]

MMJas said:

What signs? His physical appearance? How do we know that was from pill abuse? And how do we know that any alleged illness was a result of pill abuse?

rogifan said:

MMJas said:

Ok, Laura, but he was showing the signs of pill abuse from 2014 onwards, be it directly from it or because he became seriously ill as a result.

What signs? His physical appearance? How do we know that was from pill abuse? And how do we know that any alleged illness was a result of pill abuse?

Yes, his physical appearance. Even that doctor (forget the name) has mentioned years of pain medication abuse has led to the road of illegal pills.

Stop jumping all over me because I voice my opinion. I have said before I believe he was either seriously ill or he had indeed a manageable pain addiction that unfortunately became non manageable. I'm not stating one thing or another, merely saying these are the two probably scenarios for me.

The aggressive manner in which certain people on here respond to a mere suggestion that Prince might have had an addiction problem really reveals a lot more about them...

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

It is not related and having listen to Jerome's interview he said that whenever Prince had a problem he would usually dring a glass of wine. We have heard a lot of people say that pre JW he had a nice wine collection and liked drinking ports.

He could have really swallowed aspiran for a headache and been drinking wine. I do not believe he was abusing pills for 20 years and lived as long as he did and I cannot see him not showing the signs or even the side effects of these meds when the lived and traveled together.

Ok, Laura, but he was showing the signs of pill abuse from 2014 onwards, be it directly from it or because he became seriously ill as a result.

We have no idea if his apperence ( which must be what you are talking about ) have anything to do with pain pill abuse.

We know that he was in the hospital in 2014 and 2015 from statements that were given by Kirk to the police, we know that he had been going to the Walgreen's for as long a year picking up Rxs that were not for controlled substances. We have discussed what pain pill usage with or without an Rx can do to the organs over a long time. We know he had 65k in medical bills and we know that was not from buying illegal drugs. We know Dr. S was listed on one website has a critical care doctor and has no background in pain mgmt or addiction.

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

Ok, Laura, but he was showing the signs of pill abuse from 2014 onwards, be it directly from it or because he became seriously ill as a result.

We have no idea if his apperence ( which must be what you are talking about ) have anything to do with pain pill abuse.

We know that he was in the hospital in 2014 and 2015 from statements that were given by Kirk to the police, we know that he had been going to the Walgreen's for as long a year picking up Rxs that were not for controlled substances. We have discussed what pain pill usage with or without an Rx can do to the organs over a long time. We know he had 65k in medical bills and we know that was not from buying illegal drugs. We know Dr. S was listed on one website has a critical care doctor and has no background in pain mgmt or addiction.

Yes. Which leads to the second of my supposed scenarios: he became seriously ill. most likely due to pill dependency. For me it was most likely one thing or the other.

MMJas said:

rogifan said:

MMJas said: What signs? His physical appearance? How do we know that was from pill abuse? And how do we know that any alleged illness was a result of pill abuse?

Yes, his physical appearance. Even that doctor (forget the name) has mentioned years of pain medication abuse has led to the road of illegal pills.

Stop jumping all over me because I voice my opinion. I have said before I believe he was either seriously ill or he had indeed a manageable pain addiction that unfortunately became non manageable. I'm not stating one thing or another, merely saying these are the two probably scenarios for me.

The aggressive manner in which certain people on here respond to a mere suggestion that Prince might have had an addiction problem really reveals a lot more about them...

The doctor said years of prescriptions lead to his problems. I love how you want to let big pharma off the hook.

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

We have no idea if his apperence ( which must be what you are talking about ) have anything to do with pain pill abuse.

We know that he was in the hospital in 2014 and 2015 from statements that were given by Kirk to the police, we know that he had been going to the Walgreen's for as long a year picking up Rxs that were not for controlled substances. We have discussed what pain pill usage with or without an Rx can do to the organs over a long time. We know he had 65k in medical bills and we know that was not from buying illegal drugs. We know Dr. S was listed on one website has a critical care doctor and has no background in pain mgmt or addiction.

Yes. Which leads to the second of my supposed scenarios: he became seriously ill. most likely due to pill dependency. For me it was most likely one thing or the other.

Or it could be this. Check out reply # 1. At that time we all saw it as gossip. His associates keep saying we do not know the whole story. Maybe this is the missing piece.

http://prince.org/msg/5001/44054

MMJas said:

Apologies for coming across as aggressive that was not my intent.

laurarichardson said:

Again this all gets back to the "why" which we probably are never going to know.

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

We have no idea if his apperence ( which must be what you are talking about ) have anything to do with pain pill abuse.

We know that he was in the hospital in 2014 and 2015 from statements that were given by Kirk to the police, we know that he had been going to the Walgreen's for as long a year picking up Rxs that were not for controlled substances. We have discussed what pain pill usage with or without an Rx can do to the organs over a long time. We know he had 65k in medical bills and we know that was not from buying illegal drugs. We know Dr. S was listed on one website has a critical care doctor and has no background in pain mgmt or addiction.

Again this all gets back to the "why" which we probably are never going to know.

I cant figure out WHY they wont tell us what was ailing him...?

We know he had scars on his hip and lower leg yet there has not been one story confirming surgery positively...has there?

Why not ? I dont get it

Simply confirming that would at least put an end to all the nonsense about him being a Drug Abuser..

At the very least people would cut him some slack and consider that he was in pain...

At this point in time there has been no official connection made to pain and drug use...Even Mayte seems to NOT want to believe he even had a REAL headache !

Its heartbreaking

We also know Prince was a 57 year old human being. We also know that all human beings eventually succumb to the effects of aging sooner or later. Prince was simply lucky enough that the effects of aging was delayed for him until a lot later than most people. But just like Dorian Gray, eventually his age caught up with him in the looks department!

When I look at pictures of Prince spanning five or six years compared to pictures of him in the eighties and nineties, the only thing I see are nothing more than the effects of aging together with subtle cosmetic differences…

• Less elasticity in the skin of his face
  
  
• Bags under his eyes
  
  
• Drooping eyelids due to loss of elasticity in the skin of his eyelids
  
  
• Less makeup
  
  
• Thicker eyebrows from not plucking them as thin as he once did
  
  
• Heavier mascara
  
  
• A little less body weight than previous years

The first few things are the inexorable effects of aging. Anybody who lives long enough will eventually witness the same things in themselves sooner or later.

The other things in the above list are simply Prince opting for a different look in the hair & makeup department.

I recommend everybody google this thing called “Occam's Razor”. On second thought — going by the precedence set by all your other posts L⁰ and those of L^-1 — what you'll find will probably whoosh right over you two's heads.

Lovejunky said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said: Again this all gets back to the "why" which we probably are never going to know.

I cant figure out WHY they wont tell us what was ailing him...?

We know he had scars on his hip and lower leg yet there has not been one story confirming surgery positively...has there?

Why not ? I dont get it

Simply confirming that would at least put an end to all the nonsense about him being a Drug Abuser..

At the very least people would cut him some slack and consider that he was in pain...

At this point in time there has been no official connection made to pain and drug use...Even Mayte seems to NOT want to believe he even had a REAL headache !

Its heartbreaking

She can't believe he had a headache yet she was bring him an aspirian in the Irish Times interview.

-----------

Looking back now and being much older I can see it was something else,” Garcia, now 43, tells PEOPLE. “I never saw him do anything – not even take an aspirin.”

http://people.com/music/prince-ex-wife-mayte-garcia-never-saw-drugs-admits-disturbing-incidents/


From The Irish Times, 1998

Mayte enters with a pill and a cup of tea. “Gotta take my vitamins,” he says. “Actually, it’s an aspirin. Too much talking gives me a headache.”

phatphuk said:

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

It is not related and having listen to Jerome's interview he said that whenever Prince had a problem he would usually dring a glass of wine. We have heard a lot of people say that pre JW he had a nice wine collection and liked drinking ports.

He could have really swallowed aspiran for a headache and been drinking wine. I do not believe he was abusing pills for 20 years and lived as long as he did and I cannot see him not showing the signs or even the side effects of these meds when the lived and traveled together.

Ok, Laura, but he was showing the signs of pill abuse from 2014 onwards, be it directly from it or because he became seriously ill as a result.

We have no idea if his apperence ( which must be what you are talking about ) have anything to do with pain pill abuse.

We know that he was in the hospital in 2014 and 2015 from statements that were given by Kirk to the police, we know that he had been going to the Walgreen's for as long a year picking up Rxs that were not for controlled substances. We have discussed what pain pill usage with or without an Rx can do to the organs over a long time. We know he had 65k in medical bills and we know that was not from buying illegal drugs. We know Dr. S was listed on one website has a critical care doctor and has no background in pain mgmt or addiction.

We also know Prince was a 57 year old human being. We also know that all human beings eventually succumb to the effects of aging sooner or later. Prince was simply lucky enough that the effects of aging was delayed for him until a lot later than most people. But just like Dorian Gray, eventually his age caught up with him in the looks department!

When I look at pictures of Prince spanning five or six years compared to pictures of him in the eighties and nineties, the only thing I see are nothing more than the effects of aging together with subtle cosmetic differences…

• Less elasticity in the skin of his face
  
  
• Bags under his eyes
  
  
• Drooping eyelids due to loss of elasticity in the skin of his eyelids
  
  
• Less makeup
  
  
• Thicker eyebrows from not plucking them as thin as he once did
  
  
• Heavier mascara
  
  
• A little less body weight than previous years

The first few things are the inexorable effects of aging. Anybody who lives long enough will eventually witness the same things in themselves sooner or later.

The other things in the above list are simply Prince opting for a different look in the hair & makeup department.

I recommend everybody google this thing called “Occam's Razor”. On second thought — going by the precedence set by all your other posts L⁰ and those of L^-1 — what you'll find will probably whoosh right over you two's heads.

There are two pic from late 2015 were he looks great. Very different from Jan of 2016.

Something was going on and it was not all aging but at the same time if you look at a show like Intervention people on that program who are abusing pain pills do not look like Prince in Jan of 2016/

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Of course. He was murdered in an elevator. Or just as likely abducted by aliens.

I guess that is what you think. 🙄

I think the murder theory is just as unlikely as an alien abduction

Lovejunky said:

I suppose the family thinks it is protecting his privacy and he's gone and is not coming back so does it really matter? The people out there who think he was just some loser junky aren't fans anyway so who cares about them. That's how I feel.

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

Yes. Which leads to the second of my supposed scenarios: he became seriously ill. most likely due to pill dependency. For me it was most likely one thing or the other.

Or it could be this. Check out reply # 1. At that time we all saw it as gossip. His associates keep saying we do not know the whole story. Maybe this is the missing piece.

http://prince.org/msg/5001/44054

Thanks for the link. This could still be gossip. Also, the poster states Prince was out of it and wearing shades during a press conference, perhaps alluding to drugs? Again, still could be gossip.

"In regaurds to the hospital stay part of this thread... my mother's friend who is a dietician said that Prince had a stay at the hospital she works at here in central Cali. It turns out that he suffers from hepetitas C. She told my mom that she has to let every patient know what to eat the get them back to good health. She came across Prince's name and thought she had to see for her-self if it was him. She went on to say that he had security out side his door and they wouldn't let her in. She demanded that she speak with him cuz it was her job to visit every patient. They let her in and she said he was small, big head, no make-up and all lips! Not to mention the fact that he was sleeping so she never got to speak with him. The trippy thing about it was that this took place around the time this thread mentions his hospital stay. Only it was right before he announced his Jam of the Year world tour. I remember that press conference also. He was like out of it! He even had shades on which he always wears, but there was one or two times someone to the side of him had to remind him what to say. This was days after his stay in central Cali. My mom's friend said that they moved him to a hospital closer to home and that the only reason he was here in cental Cali was cuz they wanted to keep it on the down low. I dont know. By the way, it was in Visalia, Ca., 40 miles south of Fresno, Ca.
Klick2me"

rogifan said:

MMJas said:

Yes, his physical appearance. Even that doctor (forget the name) has mentioned years of pain medication abuse has led to the road of illegal pills.

Stop jumping all over me because I voice my opinion. I have said before I believe he was either seriously ill or he had indeed a manageable pain addiction that unfortunately became non manageable. I'm not stating one thing or another, merely saying these are the two probably scenarios for me.

The aggressive manner in which certain people on here respond to a mere suggestion that Prince might have had an addiction problem really reveals a lot more about them...

Apologies for coming across as aggressive that was not my intent.

No worries. I seem to have exagerated as well.

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

Or it could be this. Check out reply # 1. At that time we all saw it as gossip. His associates keep saying we do not know the whole story. Maybe this is the missing piece.

http://prince.org/msg/5001/44054

Thanks for the link. This could still be gossip. Also, the poster states Prince was out of it and wearing shades during a press conference, perhaps alluding to drugs? Again, still could be gossip.

"In regaurds to the hospital stay part of this thread... my mother's friend who is a dietician said that Prince had a stay at the hospital she works at here in central Cali. It turns out that he suffers from hepetitas C. She told my mom that she has to let every patient know what to eat the get them back to good health. She came across Prince's name and thought she had to see for her-self if it was him. She went on to say that he had security out side his door and they wouldn't let her in. She demanded that she speak with him cuz it was her job to visit every patient. They let her in and she said he was small, big head, no make-up and all lips! Not to mention the fact that he was sleeping so she never got to speak with him. The trippy thing about it was that this took place around the time this thread mentions his hospital stay. Only it was right before he announced his Jam of the Year world tour. I remember that press conference also. He was like out of it! He even had shades on which he always wears, but there was one or two times someone to the side of him had to remind him what to say. This was days after his stay in central Cali. My mom's friend said that they moved him to a hospital closer to home and that the only reason he was here in cental Cali was cuz they wanted to keep it on the down low. I dont know. By the way, it was in Visalia, Ca., 40 miles south of Fresno, Ca.
Klick2me"

I remember this press conference he seemed fine to me. He only did a handful and he never seemed out it.

phatphuk said:

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

It is not related and having listen to Jerome's interview he said that whenever Prince had a problem he would usually dring a glass of wine. We have heard a lot of people say that pre JW he had a nice wine collection and liked drinking ports.

He could have really swallowed aspiran for a headache and been drinking wine. I do not believe he was abusing pills for 20 years and lived as long as he did and I cannot see him not showing the signs or even the side effects of these meds when the lived and traveled together.

Ok, Laura, but he was showing the signs of pill abuse from 2014 onwards, be it directly from it or because he became seriously ill as a result.

We have no idea if his apperence ( which must be what you are talking about ) have anything to do with pain pill abuse.

We know that he was in the hospital in 2014 and 2015 from statements that were given by Kirk to the police, we know that he had been going to the Walgreen's for as long a year picking up Rxs that were not for controlled substances. We have discussed what pain pill usage with or without an Rx can do to the organs over a long time. We know he had 65k in medical bills and we know that was not from buying illegal drugs. We know Dr. S was listed on one website has a critical care doctor and has no background in pain mgmt or addiction.

We also know Prince was a 57 year old human being. We also know that all human beings eventually succumb to the effects of aging sooner or later. Prince was simply lucky enough that the effects of aging was delayed for him until a lot later than most people. But just like Dorian Gray, eventually his age caught up with him in the looks department!

When I look at pictures of Prince spanning five or six years compared to pictures of him in the eighties and nineties, the only thing I see are nothing more than the effects of aging together with subtle cosmetic differences…

• Less elasticity in the skin of his face
  
  
• Bags under his eyes
  
  
• Drooping eyelids due to loss of elasticity in the skin of his eyelids
  
  
• Less makeup
  
  
• Thicker eyebrows from not plucking them as thin as he once did
  
  
• Heavier mascara
  
  
• A little less body weight than previous years

The first few things are the inexorable effects of aging. Anybody who lives long enough will eventually witness the same things in themselves sooner or later.

The other things in the above list are simply Prince opting for a different look in the hair & makeup department.

I recommend everybody google this thing called “Occam's Razor”. On second thought — going by the precedence set by all your other posts L⁰ and those of L^-1 — what you'll find will probably whoosh right over you two's heads.

Sometimes the answer to a question is often the simplest.

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

MMJas said: I don't get how something that happened in the mid 90s is related to what happened in April 2016. I also don't get why Mayte feels the need to disclose this. If the implication is he's abused (or had a dependency on painkillers) since then I think he would have been dead long before April 2016.

It is not related and having listen to Jerome's interview he said that whenever Prince had a problem he would usually drink a glass of wine. We have heard a lot of people say that pre JW he had a nice wine collection and liked drinking ports.

He could have really swallowed aspiran for a headache and been drinking wine. I do not believe he was abusing pills for 20 years and lived as long as he did and I cannot see him not showing the signs or even the side effects of these meds when the lived and traveled together.

[Edited 4/14/17 5:45am]

I have a friend whose son took too much aspirin and had to get his stomach pumped.

Swish! All net!

I hope that it was obvious that I wasn't referring to you as L^-1, MMJas.

phatphuk said:

MMJas said:

phatphuk said:

…

I recommend everybody google this thing called “Occam's Razor”. On second thought — going by the precedence set by all your other posts L⁰ and those of L^-1 — what you'll find will probably whoosh right over you two's heads.

Sometimes the answer to a question is often the simplest.

Swish! All net!

I hope that it was obvious that I wasn't referring to you as L^-1, MMJas.

I didn't think so, no.

laurarichardson said:

Agree LR...he seemed fine go me also. I believe Prince and his associates all have said he did not do drugs.
What killed him was fake pills laced with fentanyl. I still believe the person that brought those fake stamped pill new exactly what they were doing.
Prince had no chance.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

--/
Well that is the mystery did someone do it on purpose or did someone just screw up? With the recent hi-jinks surrounding his vault material you got to wonder.
[Edited 4/14/17 11:12am]

laurarichardson said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Agree LR...he seemed fine go me also. I believe Prince and his associates all have said he did not do drugs. What killed him was fake pills laced with fentanyl. I still believe the person that brought those fake stamped pill new exactly what they were doing. Prince had no chance.

--/ Well that is the mystery did someone do it on purpose or did someone just screw up? With the recent hi-jinks surrounding his vault material you got to wonder. [Edited 4/14/17 11:12am]

fortuneandserendipity said:

Get back on your meds and back away from the computer. Grown people are discussing grown up things it is too much for you to comprehend