I think I missed a critical piece of information when I read the New York Times 4/7 article on unsolved mysteries in Prince's death one year later.
The link is below to the article along with direct quotes from Dr. Johnson.
I don't remember reading anything previously that stated P. had opiod prescriptions in the past.
“Prince’s death has raised the profile of the opioid crisis even further,” said Dr. Chris Johnson, chairman of the Minnesota Department of Human Services Opioid Prescribing Work Group.
“Even though Prince’s final dose and exit was illicit,” Dr. Johnson said, “the reason he needed it was because of the years of prescriptions that got him on that path.”
I don't either, but we had figured as much. Doctors probably stopped writing him prescriptions because he was becoming dependent and he opted for the illegal stuff.
I think I missed a critical piece of information when I read the New York Times 4/7 article on unsolved mysteries in Prince's death one year later.
The link is below to the article along with direct quotes from Dr. Johnson.
I don't remember reading anything previously that stated P. had opiod prescriptions in the past.
“Prince’s death has raised the profile of the opioid crisis even further,” said Dr. Chris Johnson, chairman of the Minnesota Department of Human Services Opioid Prescribing Work Group.
“Even though Prince’s final dose and exit was illicit,” Dr. Johnson said, “the reason he needed it was because of the years of prescriptions that got him on that path.”
On the other thread "1 year on, why no mention.." I brought this same question up in reply#123. It sounds as if this Dr. either knew or was implying that P had, at one point in time, a legal Rx for pain meds, and as a reult of the "years of prescriptions" P's path was such. Why put that out there, if this Dr. Johnson is not certain in his statements?
I think I missed a critical piece of information when I read the New York Times 4/7 article on unsolved mysteries in Prince's death one year later.
The link is below to the article along with direct quotes from Dr. Johnson.
I don't remember reading anything previously that stated P. had opiod prescriptions in the past.
“Prince’s death has raised the profile of the opioid crisis even further,” said Dr. Chris Johnson, chairman of the Minnesota Department of Human Services Opioid Prescribing Work Group.
“Even though Prince’s final dose and exit was illicit,” Dr. Johnson said, “the reason he needed it was because of the years of prescriptions that got him on that path.”
On the other thread "1 year on, why no mention.." I brought this same question up in reply#123. It sounds as if this Dr. either knew or was implying that P had, at one point in time, a legal Rx for pain meds, and as a reult of the "years of prescriptions" P's path was such. Why put that out there, if this Dr. Johnson is not certain in his statements?
The article does not say Prince was being prescribed opiods...this article had no new info in it. It still raises the question of why a Cali dr that never saw Prince sent his son who is unlicensed with drugs to PP. This has been discussed so many times on here...and if Prince was using there would be a trail and the case would be closed. The case is still an ongoing homicide investigation. As far as we know they have not found who gave Prince fake hydrocodone pills laced with fentanyl.
On the other thread "1 year on, why no mention.." I brought this same question up in reply#123. It sounds as if this Dr. either knew or was implying that P had, at one point in time, a legal Rx for pain meds, and as a reult of the "years of prescriptions" P's path was such. Why put that out there, if this Dr. Johnson is not certain in his statements?
The article does not say Prince was being prescribed opiods...this article had no new info in it. It still raises the question of why a Cali dr that never saw Prince sent his son who is unlicensed with drugs to PP. This has been discussed so many times on here...and if Prince was using there would be a trail and the case would be closed. The case is still an ongoing homicide investigation. As far as we know they have not found who gave Prince fake hydrocodone pills laced with fentanyl.
ALthough the term "opiod" was not used in the quoted statement by Dr. Johnson, common sense tells you what prescriptions he was referencing, being he stated "Even though Prince's final dose and exit was illicit, the reason he needed it was because of the years of prescriptions that got him on that path." This statement also lends to the possibility that P was previously prescribed opiods at one point in time. My question is what information does this Dr. have that we may not know about. And no, there would not be "a trail" if P was obtaining pills illegally (hence the homicide investigation), but there would be a trail if he was legally being prescribed opiods. And yes, it is an ongoing homicide investigation because there was no Rx found "in the last 12 months prior to P's death in Minnesota" in P's name, therefore the fentanyl laced pills were obtained illegally... besides the fact that these pills were forged/stamped to appear to be Watson/hydrocodone.Again, everyone trying to definitively state that P was not taking opiods....this statement by a Dr. seems to refute that, and my qustion is "how dare he?!" Unless he has irrefuteable facts, this is yet another "cryptic message"
I think I missed a critical piece of information when I read the New York Times 4/7 article on unsolved mysteries in Prince's death one year later.
The link is below to the article along with direct quotes from Dr. Johnson.
I don't remember reading anything previously that stated P. had opiod prescriptions in the past.
“Prince’s death has raised the profile of the opioid crisis even further,” said Dr. Chris Johnson, chairman of the Minnesota Department of Human Services Opioid Prescribing Work Group.
“Even though Prince’s final dose and exit was illicit,” Dr. Johnson said, “the reason he needed it was because of the years of prescriptions that got him on that path.”
I don't either, but we had figured as much. Doctors probably stopped writing him prescriptions because he was becoming dependent and he opted for the illegal stuff.
Or he could have decided on his own or just because he could not get an Rx to try and withdraw. Originally it was said in the media that he was seeing Dr. S for help with withdrawals.
Could have been withdrawing due to being cut off, wanting to get off of them on his own or other health issues. This is a big piece of the story we do not know. I do know that about six months ago there was a rumor that the family was going to file a wrongful death suit and I know they have now brought in a attorney who handles wrongful death cases. We shall see if anything comes of it but I keep wondering Prince was a victim of poor medical advice for handling his issues.
Dr. S had no background in addiction management or even pain managment. We shall see sooner or later. I firmly believe there is much more going on with his stituation then what the media has had us believe.
precioux said: The article does not say Prince was being prescribed opiods...this article had no new info in it. It still raises the question of why a Cali dr that never saw Prince sent his son who is unlicensed with drugs to PP. This has been discussed so many times on here...and if Prince was using there would be a trail and the case would be closed. The case is still an ongoing homicide investigation. As far as we know they have not found who gave Prince fake hydrocodone pills laced with fentanyl.
ALthough the term "opiod" was not used in the quoted statement by Dr. Johnson, common sense tells you what prescriptions he was referencing, being he stated "Even though Prince's final dose and exit was illicit, the reason he needed it was because of the years of prescriptions that got him on that path." This statement also lends to the possibility that P was previously prescribed opiods at one point in time. My question is what information does this Dr. have that we may not know about. And no, there would not be "a trail" if P was obtaining pills illegally (hence the homicide investigation), but there would be a trail if he was legally being prescribed opiods. And yes, it is an ongoing homicide investigation because there was no Rx found "in the last 12 months prior to P's death in Minnesota" in P's name, therefore the fentanyl laced pills were obtained illegally... besides the fact that these pills were forged/stamped to appear to be Watson/hydrocodone.Again, everyone trying to definitively state that P was not taking opiods....this statement by a Dr. seems to refute that, and my qustion is "how dare he?!" Unless he has irrefuteable facts, this is yet another "cryptic message"
If he had surgery he had to have an Rx at some point and time.
ALthough the term "opiod" was not used in the quoted statement by Dr. Johnson, common sense tells you what prescriptions he was referencing, being he stated "Even though Prince's final dose and exit was illicit, the reason he needed it was because of the years of prescriptions that got him on that path." This statement also lends to the possibility that P was previously prescribed opiods at one point in time. My question is what information does this Dr. have that we may not know about. And no, there would not be "a trail" if P was obtaining pills illegally (hence the homicide investigation), but there would be a trail if he was legally being prescribed opiods. And yes, it is an ongoing homicide investigation because there was no Rx found "in the last 12 months prior to P's death in Minnesota" in P's name, therefore the fentanyl laced pills were obtained illegally... besides the fact that these pills were forged/stamped to appear to be Watson/hydrocodone.Again, everyone trying to definitively state that P was not taking opiods....this statement by a Dr. seems to refute that, and my qustion is "how dare he?!" Unless he has irrefuteable facts, this is yet another "cryptic message"
If he had surgery he had to have an Rx at some point and time.
I totally agree with you,laura...but why is this Dr. alluding to "years of prescriptions"...he has to have known what this statement looks like
(even if P had had a hip replacement, which I don't believe he did, just a hip surgery----2 of my neighbors had a hip replacement within the last 2 months, one was back to playing golf w/in a month and off of meds within a week, and the other was back to normal and off of meds with the month as well)
If he had surgery he had to have an Rx at some point and time.
I totally agree with you,laura...but why is this Dr. alluding to "years of prescriptions"...he has to have known what this statement looks like
(even if P had had a hip replacement, which I don't believe he did, just a hip surgery----2 of my neighbors had a hip replacement within the last 2 months, one was back to playing golf w/in a month and off of meds within a week, and the other was back to normal and off of meds with the month as well)
[Edited 4/12/17 13:40pm]
Billy Sparks said he had hip surgery not replacment. We know that some type of hip surgery or alternatives to replacment and they do not have a high rate of success. I think the Dr. is alluding to the fact that Prince may have had a RX years before the surgery and still had one after. There are people who are dependent on pain meds because the surgeries do not always relieve the pain.
By this time the police have all of his medical history and I am sure things are going to start to leak out. You know their is a rumor that he had a chiroprator bed in his living area at PP.
Rumors about seizures and migranins. He could have muliple Rxs for all we know
If he had surgery he had to have an Rx at some point and time.
I totally agree with you,laura...but why is this Dr. alluding to "years of prescriptions"...he has to have known what this statement looks like
(even if P had had a hip replacement, which I don't believe he did, just a hip surgery----2 of my neighbors had a hip replacement within the last 2 months, one was back to playing golf w/in a month and off of meds within a week, and the other was back to normal and off of meds with the month as well)
[Edited 4/12/17 13:40pm]
When I read the quotes from Dr. Johnson, I then went to the website (the link is below) and this is a Minnesota government board: "The OPIP was created in 2015 at the direction of the governor and the Legislature, and the OPWG is convened through 2017."
"The OPIP plays a crucial role in Minnesota’s response to the crisis of prescription opioid misuse and abuse, namely addressing inappropriate prescribing behavior among Minnesota health care providers.
The work group will help shape the program by recommending statewide opioid prescribing protocols for various pain scenarios, such as acute, post-acute, and chronic pain."
Dr. Johnson is listed as the chariman of this group. In my opinion, I would expect when this doctor is quoted in a newspaper article that what is being stated is fact not supposition.
If he had surgery he had to have an Rx at some point and time.
I totally agree with you,laura...but why is this Dr. alluding to "years of prescriptions"...he has to have known what this statement looks like
(even if P had had a hip replacement, which I don't believe he did, just a hip surgery----2 of my neighbors had a hip replacement within the last 2 months, one was back to playing golf w/in a month and off of meds within a week, and the other was back to normal and off of meds with the month as well)
[Edited 4/12/17 13:40pm]
When I read the quotes from Dr. Johnson, I then went to the website (the link is below) and this is a Minnesota government board: "The OPIP was created in 2015 at the direction of the governor and the Legislature, and the OPWG is convened through 2017."
"The OPIP plays a crucial role in Minnesota’s response to the crisis of prescription opioid misuse and abuse, namely addressing inappropriate prescribing behavior among Minnesota health care providers.
The work group will help shape the program by recommending statewide opioid prescribing protocols for various pain scenarios, such as acute, post-acute, and chronic pain."
Dr. Johnson is listed as the chariman of this group. In my opinion, I would expect when this doctor is quoted in a newspaper article that what is being stated is fact not supposition.
I concur that a Dr. wouldn't put his name to a quote on supposition, which is exactly why the quote gave me such pause. Thanks for the info and article. It holds more weight for me knowing where this Dr. is based out of.
If he had surgery he had to have an Rx at some point and time.
I totally agree with you,laura...but why is this Dr. alluding to "years of prescriptions"...he has to have known what this statement looks like
(even if P had had a hip replacement, which I don't believe he did, just a hip surgery----2 of my neighbors had a hip replacement within the last 2 months, one was back to playing golf w/in a month and off of meds within a week, and the other was back to normal and off of meds with the month as well)
[Edited 4/12/17 13:40pm]
Billy Sparks said he had hip surgery not replacment. We know that some type of hip surgery or alternatives to replacment and they do not have a high rate of success. I think the Dr. is alluding to the fact that Prince may have had a RX years before the surgery and still had one after. There are people who are dependent on pain meds because the surgeries do not always relieve the pain.
By this time the police have all of his medical history and I am sure things are going to start to leak out. You know their is a rumor that he had a chiroprator bed in his living area at PP.
Rumors about seizures and migranins. He could have muliple Rxs for all we know
That makes sense,Laura-if he only had hip surgery and not replacement, which I'm assuming did not alleviate all pain, as you stated.
If he had surgery he had to have an Rx at some point and time.
I totally agree with you,laura...but why is this Dr. alluding to "years of prescriptions"...he has to have known what this statement looks like
(even if P had had a hip replacement, which I don't believe he did, just a hip surgery----2 of my neighbors had a hip replacement within the last 2 months, one was back to playing golf w/in a month and off of meds within a week, and the other was back to normal and off of meds with the month as well)
[Edited 4/12/17 13:40pm]
When I read the quotes from Dr. Johnson, I then went to the website (the link is below) and this is a Minnesota government board: "The OPIP was created in 2015 at the direction of the governor and the Legislature, and the OPWG is convened through 2017."
"The OPIP plays a crucial role in Minnesota’s response to the crisis of prescription opioid misuse and abuse, namely addressing inappropriate prescribing behavior among Minnesota health care providers.
The work group will help shape the program by recommending statewide opioid prescribing protocols for various pain scenarios, such as acute, post-acute, and chronic pain."
Dr. Johnson is listed as the chariman of this group. In my opinion, I would expect when this doctor is quoted in a newspaper article that what is being stated is fact not supposition.
--Okay I can believe that he knows what he talking about and his board could be looking at Prince's case as an example of what can happen with the prolonged use of these meds. I think as time goes on we are going to get a better picture of what was going on with his health and I do not think it is going to be the narrative that the media has been spinning.
I re-read the LA Times article from August and the one thing that stuck out was the number of pills found and the amounts of Fentanyl in them but Prince had only the fatal amount in his system.
If he had surgery he had to have an Rx at some point and time.
I totally agree with you,laura...but why is this Dr. alluding to "years of prescriptions"...he has to have known what this statement looks like
(even if P had had a hip replacement, which I don't believe he did, just a hip surgery----2 of my neighbors had a hip replacement within the last 2 months, one was back to playing golf w/in a month and off of meds within a week, and the other was back to normal and off of meds with the month as well)
It's easy to put your clothes on backwards when you're just sliding them on and the elevator could've been his final message to the world. He knew suicide was wrong, he knew he faltered and placing himself in the elevator, a thing he used throughout his career to represent the devil, for his final moments on earth...
...
I really hope he didn't think he was going to hell or that he failed God in some way, if his death was his (pain-riddled/irrational) decision.
[Edited 4/11/17 6:11am]
We dont know enough to be sure about anything yet, but personally I dont feel it was suicide.
I dont feel Prince was trying to make some statement by putting himself in an elevator with clothes on backwards to try and say something.
On the other hand, there's the lyric to Let's Go Crazy about not letting the elevator break us down... punch a higher floor! (Elevator was on 1st floor). And the end to Darling Nikki...
The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!
If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days...
One thing that doesnt make sense is him being found in an elevator with his clothes on back the front.
Him being in the elevator with clothes on backwards gives the impression he was trying to do something or get somewhere.
If he was intent on breaking on through to the other side why would he suddenly decide to get dressed and go somewhere.
Prince going to the garage to get to his car implies he may have felt the need to get out. Him being found with his clothes on backwards is disturbing, he would not have done that. And if was was going to go to the other side doubt he would have been going down in an elevator. [Edited 4/11/17 9:02am]
The clothes backwards could have been a simple mistake of the "unnamed source". Prince's clothes were custom made, so the source could have gotten the information wrong. I am not keen on Prince' s clothes, but from my understanding, he did not like pockets, which also contradicts the bottle of percocet information. The pants may not have had a zipper. The socks, maybe Prince just put them on inside out accidentally.
From my understanding, the amount of fentanyl would have killed someone 5 times Prince's size or 5 people, I honestly cannot recall the comparison.
I am inclined to believe, that Prince was done whatever he was either doing in the studio, downstairs or in the living quarters. He got in the elvevator (either up or down), took a pill either prior to entry or in the elevator, had zero time to react or get help and unfortunately passed from the pill.
Pure speculation on my end. The clothes leak has bothered me. That was "leaked " for a reason in my opinion. Why? I do not know. Was it to catch up someone who was interviewed already to see if they contradict their story?
If Prince was not dressed when he was found, someone could have covered him with a blanket and not dresss him. It is a frustrating leak to figure out or make sense of.
So sad to be speculating about this but the people who love him simply care so deeply and many answers don't make sense. Going to the garage with no shoes on or no jacket? Wasn't it cold and rainy that day and this was in the middle of the night if we believe he was found up to 6 hours after passing? So sad.
One thing that doesnt make sense is him being found in an elevator with his clothes on back the front.
Him being in the elevator with clothes on backwards gives the impression he was trying to do something or get somewhere.
If he was intent on breaking on through to the other side why would he suddenly decide to get dressed and go somewhere.
Prince going to the garage to get to his car implies he may have felt the need to get out. Him being found with his clothes on backwards is disturbing, he would not have done that. And if was was going to go to the other side doubt he would have been going down in an elevator. [Edited 4/11/17 9:02am]
The clothes backwards could have been a simple mistake of the "unnamed source". Prince's clothes were custom made, so the source could have gotten the information wrong. I am not keen on Prince' s clothes, but from my understanding, he did not like pockets, which also contradicts the bottle of percocet information. The pants may not have had a zipper. The socks, maybe Prince just put them on inside out accidentally.
From my understanding, the amount of fentanyl would have killed someone 5 times Prince's size or 5 people, I honestly cannot recall the comparison.
I am inclined to believe, that Prince was done whatever he was either doing in the studio, downstairs or in the living quarters. He got in the elvevator (either up or down), took a pill either prior to entry or in the elevator, had zero time to react or get help and unfortunately passed from the pill.
Pure speculation on my end. The clothes leak has bothered me. That was "leaked " for a reason in my opinion. Why? I do not know. Was it to catch up someone who was interviewed already to see if they contradict their story?
If Prince was not dressed when he was found, someone could have covered him with a blanket and not dresss him. It is a frustrating leak to figure out or make sense of.
So sad to be speculating about this but the people who love him simply care so deeply and answers don't make sense. Going to the garage with no shoes on or no jacket? Wasn't it cold and rainy that day and this was in the middle of the night if we believe he was found up to 6 hours after passing?
It's easy to put your clothes on backwards when you're just sliding them on and the elevator could've been his final message to the world. He knew suicide was wrong, he knew he faltered and placing himself in the elevator, a thing he used throughout his career to represent the devil, for his final moments on earth...
...
I really hope he didn't think he was going to hell or that he failed God in some way, if his death was his (pain-riddled/irrational) decision.
[Edited 4/11/17 6:11am]
We dont know enough to be sure about anything yet, but personally I dont feel it was suicide.
I dont feel Prince was trying to make some statement by putting himself in an elevator with clothes on backwards to try and say something.
On the other hand, there's the lyric to Let's Go Crazy about not letting the elevator break us down... punch a higher floor! (Elevator was on 1st floor). And the end to Darling Nikki...
[/quo Means nothing he had an elavator in his home and he had to use it.
On the other hand, there's the lyric to Let's Go Crazy about not letting the elevator break us down... punch a higher floor! (Elevator was on 1st floor). And the end to Darling Nikki...
laurarichardson said: [/quo Means nothing he had an elavator in his home and he had to use it.
Of course. He was murdered in an elevator. Or just as likely abducted by aliens.
The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!
If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days...
I don't either, but we had figured as much. Doctors probably stopped writing him prescriptions because he was becoming dependent and he opted for the illegal stuff.
Or he could have decided on his own or just because he could not get an Rx to try and withdraw. Originally it was said in the media that he was seeing Dr. S for help with withdrawals.
Could have been withdrawing due to being cut off, wanting to get off of them on his own or other health issues. This is a big piece of the story we do not know. I do know that about six months ago there was a rumor that the family was going to file a wrongful death suit and I know they have now brought in a attorney who handles wrongful death cases. We shall see if anything comes of it but I keep wondering Prince was a victim of poor medical advice for handling his issues.
Dr. S had no background in addiction management or even pain managment. We shall see sooner or later. I firmly believe there is much more going on with his stituation then what the media has had us believe.
[Edited 4/12/17 13:04pm]
This is it. There is nothing else. It's over. As much as some folks want or need it to be something other than what it is does not matter. (And why is that anyway? Never mind. Don't answer that.) This is a waste of time. But its a free country so do what you want. I'm just putting it out there that there is going to be nothing further about his death. The only piece missing is his supplier and its highly unlikely after all this time that theywill ever be able to answer that question. Case closed. Don't believe me? We shall see indeed.
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
We dont know enough to be sure about anything yet, but personally I dont feel it was suicide.
I dont feel Prince was trying to make some statement by putting himself in an elevator with clothes on backwards to try and say something.
On the other hand, there's the lyric to Let's Go Crazy about not letting the elevator break us down... punch a higher floor! (Elevator was on 1st floor). And the end to Darling Nikki...
L.A Reid also recalled that Prince once brought up elevators to him in conversation. "One time when I was with him privately, he said, 'You know what the elevator is, right?' I said, 'No, what's the elevator?' He said, 'Well, the elevator is the devil,'" Reid shared. "It scared me. I don't like to talk like that, but he said that. So, for me, it was like really haunting when I read that he was found in an elevator."
I don't either, but we had figured as much. Doctors probably stopped writing him prescriptions because he was becoming dependent and he opted for the illegal stuff.
Or he could have decided on his own or just because he could not get an Rx to try and withdraw. Originally it was said in the media that he was seeing Dr. S for help with withdrawals.
Could have been withdrawing due to being cut off, wanting to get off of them on his own or other health issues. This is a big piece of the story we do not know. I do know that about six months ago there was a rumor that the family was going to file a wrongful death suit and I know they have now brought in a attorney who handles wrongful death cases. We shall see if anything comes of it but I keep wondering Prince was a victim of poor medical advice for handling his issues.
Dr. S had no background in addiction management or even pain managment. We shall see sooner or later. I firmly believe there is much more going on with his stituation then what the media has had us believe.
[Edited 4/12/17 13:04pm]
This is it. There is nothing else. It's over. As much as some folks want or need it to be something other than what it is does not matter. (And why is that anyway? Never mind. Don't answer that.) This is a waste of time. But its a free country so do what you want. I'm just putting it out there that there is going to be nothing further about his death. The only piece missing is his supplier and its highly unlikely after all this time that theywill ever be able to answer that question. Case closed. Don't believe me? We shall see indeed.
I said here, a long time ago, that I thought the authorities believed this was a "simple" death: heart attack, aneurysm... something like that. Then the ME's findings blew that belief out of the water and all hell broke loose. PP had not been locked down, federal investigators had not been brought in, and the local officials were not able to adequately determine what happened. I do not think it was a cut and dry case but I am at the point where I believe we shall never know what really transpired.
On the other hand, there's the lyric to Let's Go Crazy about not letting the elevator break us down... punch a higher floor! (Elevator was on 1st floor). And the end to Darling Nikki...
laurarichardson said: [/quo Means nothing he had an elavator in his home and he had to use it.
Of course. He was murdered in an elevator. Or just as likely abducted by aliens.
So Mayte just confirmed in an interview that it wasn't aspirin what Prince asked her to flush down the toilet...
http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/920388163635
I don't get how something that happened in the mid 90s is related to what happened in April 2016. I also don't get why Mayte feels the need to disclose this. If the implication is he's abused (or had a dependency on painkillers) since then I think he would have been dead long before April 2016.
So Mayte just confirmed in an interview that it wasn't aspirin what Prince asked her to flush down the toilet...
http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/920388163635
But she does not say what they were. and people do take pain meds for migraines althought this in not recommended anymore.
I wish she would correct these errors.
She was not 16 when she started working for him.
What career did she have before he came along?
Glad she finally acknowdeleges that he had to promote the album as I suspected that she knows that the Oprah interview and all promotion was planned months ahead. Too bad that did not make in the book.
Finally mentions a loss of a lot of blood and almost needing a transfusion. Explains the need for vicoden out of the hospital which made no sense in the book. I suspect her incision must have been more invasive than normal.