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Reply #720 posted 04/08/17 3:01pm

paulludvig

JudasLChrist said:



twinnies said:


It really angers me that some people refer to Prince as a drug addict and that he died from a drug overdose. Accidentally taking the wrong painkiller and passing away does not make one a drug addict.





So basically you haven't read any of this thread or done any research at all, either on what addiction is, or the know details of Prince death.

Prince overdosed. A week earlier he also overdosed, and had to be given Narcan, after which he was 'agitated' cause Narcan puts people right into withdrawl. You don't go into withdrawl unless you are an addict. You don't spend the last day of your life trying to get 3 different drugstores to fill you prescription, and then arrange to have a Dr. fly out to send you to rehab, and possibly administer suboxone.

What makes me angry is people bending over backwards to to deny the obvious truth because they are worried about the stigma of the term 'addict'. That's not the most important thing here.



If he was suffering withdrawl,how was he able to host a party,go to concerts,ride a bike and so on?
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Reply #721 posted 04/08/17 4:53pm

rogifan

JudasLChrist said:



twinnies said:


It really angers me that some people refer to Prince as a drug addict and that he died from a drug overdose. Accidentally taking the wrong painkiller and passing away does not make one a drug addict.





So basically you haven't read any of this thread or done any research at all, either on what addiction is, or the know details of Prince death.

Prince overdosed. A week earlier he also overdosed, and had to be given Narcan, after which he was 'agitated' cause Narcan puts people right into withdrawl. You don't go into withdrawl unless you are an addict. You don't spend the last day of your life trying to get 3 different drugstores to fill you prescription, and then arrange to have a Dr. fly out to send you to rehab, and possibly administer suboxone.

What makes me angry is people bending over backwards to to deny the obvious truth because they are worried about the stigma of the term 'addict'. That's not the most important thing here.


How much of this is fact considering very little information has been officially released?
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Reply #722 posted 04/08/17 4:55pm

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rogifan said:

JudasLChrist said:



twinnies said:


It really angers me that some people refer to Prince as a drug addict and that he died from a drug overdose. Accidentally taking the wrong painkiller and passing away does not make one a drug addict.





So basically you haven't read any of this thread or done any research at all, either on what addiction is, or the know details of Prince death.

Prince overdosed. A week earlier he also overdosed, and had to be given Narcan, after which he was 'agitated' cause Narcan puts people right into withdrawl. You don't go into withdrawl unless you are an addict. You don't spend the last day of your life trying to get 3 different drugstores to fill you prescription, and then arrange to have a Dr. fly out to send you to rehab, and possibly administer suboxone.

What makes me angry is people bending over backwards to to deny the obvious truth because they are worried about the stigma of the term 'addict'. That's not the most important thing here.


How much of this is fact considering very little information has been officially released?


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Reply #723 posted 04/08/17 5:51pm

PurpleDiamonds
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rogifan said:

JudasLChrist said:



twinnies said:


It really angers me that some people refer to Prince as a drug addict and that he died from a drug overdose. Accidentally taking the wrong painkiller and passing away does not make one a drug addict.





So basically you haven't read any of this thread or done any research at all, either on what addiction is, or the know details of Prince death.

Prince overdosed. A week earlier he also overdosed, and had to be given Narcan, after which he was 'agitated' cause Narcan puts people right into withdrawl. You don't go into withdrawl unless you are an addict. You don't spend the last day of your life trying to get 3 different drugstores to fill you prescription, and then arrange to have a Dr. fly out to send you to rehab, and possibly administer suboxone.

What makes me angry is people bending over backwards to to deny the obvious truth because they are worried about the stigma of the term 'addict'. That's not the most important thing here.


How much of this is fact considering very little information has been officially released?

To add to this...how many people who are on drugs go to the dr for tests to be told you OD or just took those drugs...

Prince did not know he was being given a mislabeled fentanyl laced pill but the person who gave them to Prince knew what they were doing.
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Reply #724 posted 04/08/17 5:51pm

IamBryan

I guess the whole point of this thread was lost... Do you think he went to the elevator to get help?? To call someone? To get outside?

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Reply #725 posted 04/08/17 5:52pm

PurpleDiamonds
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paulludvig said:

JudasLChrist said:



twinnies said:


It really angers me that some people refer to Prince as a drug addict and that he died from a drug overdose. Accidentally taking the wrong painkiller and passing away does not make one a drug addict.





So basically you haven't read any of this thread or done any research at all, either on what addiction is, or the know details of Prince death.

Prince overdosed. A week earlier he also overdosed, and had to be given Narcan, after which he was 'agitated' cause Narcan puts people right into withdrawl. You don't go into withdrawl unless you are an addict. You don't spend the last day of your life trying to get 3 different drugstores to fill you prescription, and then arrange to have a Dr. fly out to send you to rehab, and possibly administer suboxone.

What makes me angry is people bending over backwards to to deny the obvious truth because they are worried about the stigma of the term 'addict'. That's not the most important thing here.



If he was suffering withdrawl,how was he able to host a party,go to concerts,ride a bike and so on?

Agree...or if he was gravely ill he would not have been out and about
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Reply #726 posted 04/08/17 6:16pm

PurpleDiamonds
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IamBryan said:

I guess the whole point of this thread was lost... Do you think he went to the elevator to get help?? To call someone? To get outside?


We don't know...
He could have been trying to get away from whomever was in PP?
I can't find it now but Someone on the org said a tour guide mentioned to them where he was headed. I thought it was the garage?? IDK hopefully they see this and respond
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Reply #727 posted 04/08/17 7:29pm

twinnies

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All I did was post my little humble opinion and what I believe.

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Reply #728 posted 04/08/17 7:29pm

rogifan

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

rogifan said:


How much of this is fact considering very little information has been officially released?

To add to this...how many people who are on drugs go to the dr for tests to be told you OD or just took those drugs...

Prince did not know he was being given a mislabeled fentanyl laced pill but the person who gave them to Prince knew what they were doing.

I know nothing which is why I ask questions. So much gets thrown around as fact when it seems it's mostly unconfirmed rumors from anonymous sources. I hate when rumors get thrown around as fact.
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Reply #729 posted 04/08/17 7:58pm

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I don't think Prince knew he was taking that either nor did he have any idea he would die that night. It still seems like he was going to that elevator to get help.

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Reply #730 posted 04/08/17 8:29pm

PurpleDiamonds
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rogifan said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:


To add to this...how many people who are on drugs go to the dr for tests to be told you OD or just took those drugs...

Prince did not know he was being given a mislabeled fentanyl laced pill but the person who gave them to Prince knew what they were doing.

I know nothing which is why I ask questions. So much gets thrown around as fact when it seems it's mostly unconfirmed rumors from anonymous sources. I hate when rumors get thrown around as fact.

With you, I was not going against your post Rogi... Just putting out something that just does not add up and no one has given an answer that changes my mind. It was not supposed to be directed at you. Sorry if you thought that!
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Reply #731 posted 04/08/17 8:44pm

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twinnies said:

Forgot to mention in my previous post that I have often wondered if he were in the elevator because he was going to get help. This whole thing has not made any rational sense at all since day 1. There are too many unanswered questions and too much suspicion. I think Prince was really looking forward to his autobiography coming out. It's sad that he never got to finish it.



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Reply #732 posted 04/09/17 2:26am

Lovejunky

twinnies said:

I don't think Prince knew he was taking that either nor did he have any idea he would die that night. It still seems like he was going to that elevator to get help.

or...

After being dropped home, he immediately took the pain relief on his way to his room to rest for the night ?

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Reply #733 posted 04/09/17 4:06am

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paulludvig said:

JudasLChrist said:


So basically you haven't read any of this thread or done any research at all, either on what addiction is, or the know details of Prince death.

Prince overdosed. A week earlier he also overdosed, and had to be given Narcan, after which he was 'agitated' cause Narcan puts people right into withdrawl. You don't go into withdrawl unless you are an addict. You don't spend the last day of your life trying to get 3 different drugstores to fill you prescription, and then arrange to have a Dr. fly out to send you to rehab, and possibly administer suboxone.

What makes me angry is people bending over backwards to to deny the obvious truth because they are worried about the stigma of the term 'addict'. That's not the most important thing here.

If he was suffering withdrawl,how was he able to host a party,go to concerts,ride a bike and so on?

First, he did not stay long at that party and did not even play.

Second, going to that concert implied sitting down for the whole length of it and, most importantly, being seen carriying on as if all was fine.

Third, the bike ride (if the images are indeed from that period of time) can be understood as another way of showing all is fine, that even if the tabloids are stating something is wrong, he was, in fact, seen riding a bike around PP, so rumours must be untrue.

For those who say that Prince himself told people to not believe the papers after the Moline incident: the papers only stated the flu. Perhaps he was worried that soon they would state an overdose, because of hospital records, etc. and was making sure nobody would believe the papers once again cause he was, after all, going about his normal business. Prince went to great lengths to be private and keep his personal business away from the public eye. But remeber the paper headlines concerning his baby? There was a rumour that the baby had been born with physical defects. And what did Prince tell Oprah? "It's all good, don't believe everything you read". But the papers had indeed written the truth. So Prince lied. To protect his privacy.
Prince was a human being that felt the terrible burden of never showing weakness. Ultimately, that killed him.

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Reply #734 posted 04/09/17 4:29am

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Reply #735 posted 04/09/17 6:10am

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Reply #736 posted 04/09/17 6:17am

paulludvig

MMJas said:

paulludvig said:

JudasLChrist said: If he was suffering withdrawl,how was he able to host a party,go to concerts,ride a bike and so on?

First, he did not stay long at that party and did not even play.

Second, going to that concert implied sitting down for the whole length of it and, most importantly, being seen carriying on as if all was fine.

Third, the bike ride (if the images are indeed from that period of time) can be understood as another way of showing all is fine, that even if the tabloids are stating something is wrong, he was, in fact, seen riding a bike around PP, so rumours must be untrue.

For those who say that Prince himself told people to not believe the papers after the Moline incident: the papers only stated the flu. Perhaps he was worried that soon they would state an overdose, because of hospital records, etc. and was making sure nobody would believe the papers once again cause he was, after all, going about his normal business. Prince went to great lengths to be private and keep his personal business away from the public eye. But remeber the paper headlines concerning his baby? There was a rumour that the baby had been born with physical defects. And what did Prince tell Oprah? "It's all good, don't believe everything you read". But the papers had indeed written the truth. So Prince lied. To protect his privacy.
Prince was a human being that felt the terrible burden of never showing weakness. Ultimately, that killed him.

But can you even pretend to be alright if your in serious withdrawl? Wouldn't you be sweating and shaking and throwing up?

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Reply #737 posted 04/09/17 6:52am

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MMJas said:



paulludvig said:


JudasLChrist said:



So basically you haven't read any of this thread or done any research at all, either on what addiction is, or the know details of Prince death.

Prince overdosed. A week earlier he also overdosed, and had to be given Narcan, after which he was 'agitated' cause Narcan puts people right into withdrawl. You don't go into withdrawl unless you are an addict. You don't spend the last day of your life trying to get 3 different drugstores to fill you prescription, and then arrange to have a Dr. fly out to send you to rehab, and possibly administer suboxone.

What makes me angry is people bending over backwards to to deny the obvious truth because they are worried about the stigma of the term 'addict'. That's not the most important thing here.



If he was suffering withdrawl,how was he able to host a party,go to concerts,ride a bike and so on?


First, he did not stay long at that party and did not even play.



Second, going to that concert implied sitting down for the whole length of it and, most importantly, being seen carriying on as if all was fine.



Third, the bike ride (if the images are indeed from that period of time) can be understood as another way of showing all is fine, that even if the tabloids are stating something is wrong, he was, in fact, seen riding a bike around PP, so rumours must be untrue.



For those who say that Prince himself told people to not believe the papers after the Moline incident: the papers only stated the flu. Perhaps he was worried that soon they would state an overdose, because of hospital records, etc. and was making sure nobody would believe the papers once again cause he was, after all, going about his normal business. Prince went to great lengths to be private and keep his personal business away from the public eye. But remeber the paper headlines concerning his baby? There was a rumour that the baby had been born with physical defects. And what did Prince tell Oprah? "It's all good, don't believe everything you read". But the papers had indeed written the truth. So Prince lied. To protect his privacy.
Prince was a human being that felt the terrible burden of never showing weakness. Ultimately, that killed him.



Because it was not any of Opra's fucking business. Once again he said he felt like he raised himself since he was 12 he did not have choice but to not show weakness. Anyway you are going to continue to ignore some glaringly obvious things no matter how many times things are pointed out to you.
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Reply #738 posted 04/09/17 6:57am

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paulludvig said:



MMJas said:




paulludvig said:


JudasLChrist said: If he was suffering withdrawl,how was he able to host a party,go to concerts,ride a bike and so on?


First, he did not stay long at that party and did not even play.



Second, going to that concert implied sitting down for the whole length of it and, most importantly, being seen carriying on as if all was fine.



Third, the bike ride (if the images are indeed from that period of time) can be understood as another way of showing all is fine, that even if the tabloids are stating something is wrong, he was, in fact, seen riding a bike around PP, so rumours must be untrue.



For those who say that Prince himself told people to not believe the papers after the Moline incident: the papers only stated the flu. Perhaps he was worried that soon they would state an overdose, because of hospital records, etc. and was making sure nobody would believe the papers once again cause he was, after all, going about his normal business. Prince went to great lengths to be private and keep his personal business away from the public eye. But remeber the paper headlines concerning his baby? There was a rumour that the baby had been born with physical defects. And what did Prince tell Oprah? "It's all good, don't believe everything you read". But the papers had indeed written the truth. So Prince lied. To protect his privacy.
Prince was a human being that felt the terrible burden of never showing weakness. Ultimately, that killed him.



But can you even pretend to be alright if your in serious withdrawl? Wouldn't you be sweating and shaking and throwing up?


--Of course you would be sick as hell. Something else was going with his health people can keep sticking their heads in the sand.
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Reply #739 posted 04/09/17 7:15am

Lovejunky

laurarichardson said:

paulludvig said:

But can you even pretend to be alright if your in serious withdrawl? Wouldn't you be sweating and shaking and throwing up?

--Of course you would be sick as hell. Something else was going with his health people can keep sticking their heads in the sand.

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Reply #740 posted 04/09/17 7:37am

rogifan

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

rogifan said:


I know nothing which is why I ask questions. So much gets thrown around as fact when it seems it's mostly unconfirmed rumors from anonymous sources. I hate when rumors get thrown around as fact.

With you, I was not going against your post Rogi... Just putting out something that just does not add up and no one has given an answer that changes my mind. It was not supposed to be directed at you. Sorry if you thought that!

Nope wasn't thinking that. I might be an odd one here in that 1) I don't think Prince had a long term dependency problem with powerful prescription painkillers and 2) I don't believe he was murdered or something sinister happened. Of course what I think is meaningless. Right now the actual facts don't tell us much other than he clearly was not well and he sided from an accidental overdose of a very powerful painkiller. Oh and a third thing: the guy was a workaholic and even when he wasn't 100% health wise he still worked his ass off. I've listened to most of the P&M shows and his playing and voice were amazing. Whatever problems he was having he was still the consummate professional and gave the audiences that came to see him 100% of his best. 💜
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Reply #741 posted 04/09/17 7:52am

disch

I basically agree except I think you might be assuming what people think based on what we have reasonable evidence for. I don't think we have reasonable evidence to say how long or with what severity he was dependent on opioids (as many people have discussed here, dependency is not always synonymous with debilitation; many many people are physically dependent but perfectly functional. Several of those people have posted their stories on this site!). But saying we don't have much trustworthy info one way or another about this somewhat complicated medical state (opioid dependency) is not the same as saying "he was dependent for x months" or "x years" or whatever.


rogifan said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:


With you, I was not going against your post Rogi... Just putting out something that just does not add up and no one has given an answer that changes my mind. It was not supposed to be directed at you. Sorry if you thought that!

Nope wasn't thinking that. I might be an odd one here in that 1) I don't think Prince had a long term dependency problem with powerful prescription painkillers and 2) I don't believe he was murdered or something sinister happened. Of course what I think is meaningless. Right now the actual facts don't tell us much other than he clearly was not well and he sided from an accidental overdose of a very powerful painkiller. Oh and a third thing: the guy was a workaholic and even when he wasn't 100% health wise he still worked his ass off. I've listened to most of the P&M shows and his playing and voice were amazing. Whatever problems he was having he was still the consummate professional and gave the audiences that came to see him 100% of his best. 💜
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Reply #742 posted 04/09/17 9:09am

rogifan

disch said:

I basically agree except I think you might be assuming what people think based on what we have reasonable evidence for. I don't think we have reasonable evidence to say how long or with what severity he was dependent on opioids (as many people have discussed here, dependency is not always synonymous with debilitation; many many people are physically dependent but perfectly functional. Several of those people have posted their stories on this site!). But saying we don't have much trustworthy info one way or another about this somewhat complicated medical state (opioid dependency) is not the same as saying "he was dependent for x months" or "x years" or whatever.


rogifan said:


Nope wasn't thinking that. I might be an odd one here in that 1) I don't think Prince had a long term dependency problem with powerful prescription painkillers and 2) I don't believe he was murdered or something sinister happened. Of course what I think is meaningless. Right now the actual facts don't tell us much other than he clearly was not well and he sided from an accidental overdose of a very powerful painkiller. Oh and a third thing: the guy was a workaholic and even when he wasn't 100% health wise he still worked his ass off. I've listened to most of the P&M shows and his playing and voice were amazing. Whatever problems he was having he was still the consummate professional and gave the audiences that came to see him 100% of his best. 💜

I agree 100%.
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Reply #743 posted 04/09/17 12:03pm

Serene777

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

IamBryan said:

I guess the whole point of this thread was lost... Do you think he went to the elevator to get help?? To call someone? To get outside?


We don't know...
He could have been trying to get away from whomever was in PP?
I can't find it now but Someone on the org said a tour guide mentioned to them where he was headed. I thought it was the garage?? IDK hopefully they see this and respond

Yes, that was communicated to me when I took my tour. I point blank asked the question and the person told me that no one knows for sure and that the thought was that he was trying to get to his car in the garage. I found that interesting because the media never reported which floor they found him on.
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Reply #744 posted 04/09/17 2:57pm

Flirt1

Serene777 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:


We don't know...
He could have been trying to get away from whomever was in PP?
I can't find it now but Someone on the org said a tour guide mentioned to them where he was headed. I thought it was the garage?? IDK hopefully they see this and respond

Yes, that was communicated to me when I took my tour. I point blank asked the question and the person told me that no one knows for sure and that the thought was that he was trying to get to his car in the garage. I found that interesting because the media never reported which floor they found him on.
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Was there an emergency button or phone in the elevator?
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Reply #745 posted 04/09/17 3:09pm

PurpleDiamonds
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Serene777 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:


We don't know...
He could have been trying to get away from whomever was in PP?
I can't find it now but Someone on the org said a tour guide mentioned to them where he was headed. I thought it was the garage?? IDK hopefully they see this and respond

Yes, that was communicated to me when I took my tour. I point blank asked the question and the person told me that no one knows for sure and that the thought was that he was trying to get to his car in the garage. I found that interesting because the media never reported which floor they found him on.
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Thanks for responding.
I also find that odd they mentioned he was going to his car.

After all we were told If Prince took pills he would not be going out for a ride...especially if he took the laced pills, he would have been falling asleep. Seems he was trying to leave and wonder who he might have been trying to get away from...
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Reply #746 posted 04/09/17 3:21pm

Serene777

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Serene777 said:


Yes, that was communicated to me when I took my tour. I point blank asked the question and the person told me that no one knows for sure and that the thought was that he was trying to get to his car in the garage. I found that interesting because the media never reported which floor they found him on.
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Thanks for responding.
I also find that odd they mentioned he was going to his car.

After all we were told If Prince took pills he would not be going out for a ride...especially if he took the laced pills, he would have been falling asleep. Seems he was trying to leave and wonder who he might have been trying to get away from...


I considered two things when the person told me this. 1) I thought of all the times I have been sick in the middle of the night and considered just going to the ER or urgent care. 2) this info came from someone who worked at PP and had worked for P for at least 20 years. He did offer a disclaimer that no one knows what really happened, but I know absolutely nothing about opioids--other than googling info. it doesn't sound like his breathing stopped immediately. It's heartbreaking but it may be that the last thing on his mind that night was "something isn't right and I need help."
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Reply #747 posted 04/09/17 3:26pm

PurpleDiamonds
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After hearing that can't shake the feeling he was trying to leave because someone was there that should not have been.
We have heard he did not know about the Cali Drs son Andrew being called into PP...wonder if he went to PP before the time we were told ...
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Reply #748 posted 04/09/17 3:40pm

IamBryan

but why was he found with his clothes on backwards?! Not that we'll ever know...

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Reply #749 posted 04/09/17 4:02pm

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Have read what that implies and doubt Prince did that.
agree... Not sure we will know this answer either. Someone needs to be given some truth serum...
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