slowlywiltingflower said:

Maybe I shouldn't mention this, I don't know, but I can't help but think of it amongst all this...

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If the investigators are being absolutely thorough, and trying to piece together the backstory of what ultimately came to pass, shouldn't they investigate that Penguin Girl also? She ADAMENTLY and repeatedly and constantly posts about all the time she and Prince spent together (including at that very last PP party) and how close they were, etc. Could she not have some pertinent, or at least helpful, info to give if what she claims is true (and I'm not so sure it is true but has anybody talked to HER?)

interesting. but, a lot of what's being said about prince's girlfiends is speculation, including from some of them. some seemed to have had the idea they meant more than they did, if i read correctly. have we actually confirmed that penguin girl weas really hanging with prince? so many rumors

XxAxX said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

Thank you for the hug. Yes, I feel that way too: I realize so many of these details aren't ours to know but in light of what's happening in this investigation and how little of it makes sense, i at least HOPE some people close to him will finally feel it's time to come forward and put some truth out there and help to make sense of this, in as much as is possible.

i really hope you win your battle with chronic pain. it sucks you are suffering like that. i hope you find an effective treatment

Thank you. It's hard and sometimes I get really angry about it, you know all "Why me???" about it. and when the pain is very bad or I'm needing to go to the ER *again* I wish I would just die (melodramatic but it's the truth). I'm terrified but I'm actually got tickets and am going to try to go to one of the Revolution shows in September. I'm not good with crowds and I worry how I'll handle things especially if the pain is bad that day, but I feel so much that I need to go to that show and be around others who love Prince as I do. Seeing him perform again was so important to me and kept me hanging on for a long long while...I feel like I need to be 'near him' and his essence (hope that doesn't sound dumb) at that Rev show. anyway, thank you again for your kind wishes, I appreciate them very much.

XxAxX said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

The NY Daily News is a rag. Why believe as gospel anything it prints vs other 'news' sources that get trashed around here?

i'm inclined to believe the cited, eyewitness testimony it published nevertheless, as that information is easily verifiable:

Actor and nightclub associate Wass Stevens reveals that Prince gave one “secret” show in Manhattan before he died in April. . .

[Edited 8/20/16 23:24pm]

Hmm...and searching that name on Google does bring up a nightclub doorman in NY.

ForeverPaisley said:

XxAxX said:

i'm inclined to believe the cited, eyewitness testimony it published nevertheless, as that information is easily verifiable:

Actor and nightclub associate Wass Stevens reveals that Prince gave one “secret” show in Manhattan before he died in April. . .

[Edited 8/20/16 23:24pm]

Hmm...and searching that name on Google does bring up a nightclub doorman in NY.

it does seem to be true that prince enjoyed hanging out with the ladies. maybe investigators should interview those we know he was around? anna moura at the electric fetus? his personal assistant meron? whoever was with him at the dakota jazz club that night?

morningsong said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

Maybe I shouldn't mention this, I don't know, but I can't help but think of it amongst all this...

-

If the investigators are being absolutely thorough, and trying to piece together the backstory of what ultimately came to pass, shouldn't they investigate that Penguin Girl also? She ADAMENTLY and repeatedly and constantly posts about all the time she and Prince spent together (including at that very last PP party) and how close they were, etc. Could she not have some pertinent, or at least helpful, info to give if what she claims is true (and I'm not so sure it is true but has anybody talked to HER?)

I thought about her also. Then again she could be lying, and the DEA already know her issues and have moved on.

Yeah, I thought of that as well. If what she's claiming is truth, then more than just Prince fans know of her - she posted in the last couple weeks that US magazine or E network, can't remember for sure which, wanted to do an interview with her but she said no. So you're probably exactly right that the DEA know of her and know the situation and have moved on.

here is independent confirmation of the event occuring. as to the truth of the witness account wherein prince was accompanied by two ladies... who knows?


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/prince-announces-memoirs-with-booming-intimate-nyc-club-show-20160319

https://www.princevault.com/index.php?title=18_March_2016

ForeverPaisley said:

So accurate an articule, they're using a photo from like 5 years ago?

Pffft not even opening that garbage.

XxAxX said:

i'd like to know more about the 'two women' he was always hanging out with. who were they? their names?

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/manhattan-club-king-remembers-secret-prince-show-article-1.2758505

Manhattan club king remembers 'secret' Prince show weeks before singer's death

Late legend Prince performed a secret show at Avenue in Manhattan just a month before he died, a nightclub associate says.

(Nousha Salimi/AP)

Confidential

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Saturday, August 20, 2016, 6:00 PM

Actor and nightclub associate Wass Stevens reveals that Prince gave one “secret” show in Manhattan before he died in April — and no one who was there will ever forget it.

slowlywiltingflower said:

NinaB said:

Eileen said: If you're a friend u get him help not dodgy drugs.

Yeah, that's if you're a TRUE, real friend you get the person help. I wonder exactly how many true, genuine friends Prince had vs people wanting to use him for their own self-serving agendas. As for Prince asking staff or friends to risk prison to obtain illegal drugs for him, I seriously seriously doubt THAT. There are always plenty of "yes" men/women and buttkissers surrounding celebrities in the guise of "helpful friend", i.e. wanting to score brownie points. There were also many naive, young people who worked for Prince who may have 'helpfully' gotten him meds and were completely clueless as to the dangers of what's happening in MN right now particularly re: street drugs.

Not necessarily. Even family members of addicts (not just drugs, but alcoholics, cigarettes, FOOD addicts etc) unintentionally become facitators. Think of those family members of the morbidly overweight people, they know what they doing is harming their family member...but they do it anyway. Even it's causing them turmoil inside (each of them actually). It's a strange phenomenom when you would THINK your first instinct is to do what protects that loved one even IF it goes right against their wishes. But when push comes to shove, sometimes those defenses are bent. Psychology is quite alarming and interesting to study. Shocking and sad truths, unfortunately.

XxAxX said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

Maybe I shouldn't mention this, I don't know, but I can't help but think of it amongst all this...

-

If the investigators are being absolutely thorough, and trying to piece together the backstory of what ultimately came to pass, shouldn't they investigate that Penguin Girl also? She ADAMENTLY and repeatedly and constantly posts about all the time she and Prince spent together (including at that very last PP party) and how close they were, etc. Could she not have some pertinent, or at least helpful, info to give if what she claims is true (and I'm not so sure it is true but has anybody talked to HER?)

interesting. but, a lot of what's being said about prince's girlfiends is speculation, including from some of them. some seemed to have had the idea they meant more than they did, if i read correctly. have we actually confirmed that penguin girl weas really hanging with prince? so many rumors

That's the thing. She's never posted anything but cute anecdotes and sometimes offended posts that nobody believes her but that she's completely honest and telling the truth and that her family and friends KNOW about her relationship with Prince. But never anything like pics of them together or anything. A mod here said his friend saw her with Prince and so he knew she was legit, but then that thread went **poof** so I don't know. Like you said: so many rumors

slowlywiltingflower said:

XxAxX said:

interesting. but, a lot of what's being said about prince's girlfiends is speculation, including from some of them. some seemed to have had the idea they meant more than they did, if i read correctly. have we actually confirmed that penguin girl weas really hanging with prince? so many rumors

That's the thing. She's never posted anything but cute anecdotes and sometimes offended posts that nobody believes her but that she's completely honest and telling the truth and that her family and friends KNOW about her relationship with Prince. But never anything like pics of them together or anything. A mod here said his friend saw her with Prince and so he knew she was legit, but then that thread went **poof** so I don't know. Like you said: so many rumors

okay, if we're going there, i think investigators should take a loong, hard look at the individual who hacked prince's account on, what was it - facebook?? that time. the person who posted rude things like: i'm prince, i sit around on the internet all day. i pay people in pancakes. remember that?

link here: http://prince.org/msg/7/415659

[Edited 8/21/16 1:04am]

rogifan said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

Yeah, that's if you're a TRUE, real friend you get the person help. I wonder exactly how many true, genuine friends Prince had vs people wanting to use him for their own self-serving agendas. As for Prince asking staff or friends to risk prison to obtain illegal drugs for him, I seriously seriously doubt THAT. There are always plenty of "yes" men/women and buttkissers surrounding celebrities in the guise of "helpful friend", i.e. wanting to score brownie points. There were also many naive, young people who worked for Prince who may have 'helpfully' gotten him meds and were completely clueless as to the dangers of what's happening in MN right now particularly re: street drugs.

Why would someone get meds for Prince and Prince take them if he didn't ask? Unless Kirk or someone else was also on medication, could see that Prince was in pain and gave him their pills to take? Bottom line is fentanyl was in his system. So either he took it knowing what it was, took it thinking it was something else, or I don't know what else. It's not like something you could slip in somebody's drink, I don't think.

Exactly. Also similar to the VIP syndrome that was being talked about. Another psychological phenomenom. Scenarios where you would NEVER THINK a certain person would do such a thing, it's against everything everyone knows about them, it's against their grain and yet it happens...

slowlywiltingflower said:

They'd have more access to what's really going on in people's lives than us mere citizens. For all we know she could have some mental health file sealed away somewhere. Or she just not a person of interest. She's obviously gaining tons of new friends so it's working for her.

nursev said:

and for you silly ass newbies who just joined in June shame on you cuz ain't a damn thing funny about death and grief.

What do you mean - 'newbies' here have been making fun of Prince dying or fans mourning? Must've missed that, but then I don't read everything. I know the org is very negative but didn't think it was that bad. From what I've seen & in my own experience the 'newbies' who joined post April did so because they were grieving & wanted to be around like minded people. Can't say the same for the 'old' fans who were hating on Prince constantly before he died. Shame it took his death for some to appreciate him. Anyway no one should be making fun of this situation- we're all in the same boat.

Wow. This shit keeps getting weirder.

I personaly don't know what to think. I'm still firmly in the cornoer that Prince was expecting to pass away this year, but the manner it all went down seems accidental. We can't eliminale a well-planned suicide, or murder based on the information that has leaked so far. The fact that the trouble came to pass in the wee hours of the morning, make me worry more of his mental state, because he has a history of dramtic behavior in the dead of night. Still if I had to guess, the most likely sceanario is that one of his dumb-azz associates scored him a bad batch of pills.

If he had AIDS, I think the blabbing cops would have told it by now, so I lean away from that being an issue he was dealing with, but I wouldn't eliminate the possibility based on what's come out thus far.

XxAxX said:

You want everybody looked into. Can't blame you. This is getting bizarrer by the moment.

luv4u said:

ForeverPaisley said:

If that was the case, he should've just call 9-1-1, if he was feeling something wasn't right...I wish he had. We might not be in a world without him, if he had.

He never got the chance

I'm fine with him not having a cellphone - he's stated such a few times - but I just don't get that he wouldn't have a landline UP IN HIS SUITE?! That just...it doesn't register. I mean, I'm sure if he thought of something like, *shit, I'm out of towels* he has to go all the way downstairs to tell someone? Nope, that is just bizarre. He'd pick up a phone and be like...'I need some towels brought up.' OR whatever, that's just an example, but you know what I mean. Not ONE phone up there?

Plus the various videos...there's a handful of landlines shown used...can't see how there wouldn't be one up there. And even if he was nervous to call 9-1-1 as Prince, he could have called whomever he needed to do that. stating something doesn't feel right, I need help urgently.

morningsong said:

XxAxX said:

okay, if we're going there, i think investigators should take a loong, hard look at the individual who hacked prince's account on, what was it - facebook?? that time. the person who posted rude things like: i'm prince, i sit around on the internet all day. i pay people in pancakes. remember that?

link here: http://prince.org/msg/7/415659

[Edited 8/21/16 1:04am]

You want everybody looked into. Can't blame you. This is getting bizarrer by the moment.

yes, i'm being entirely rational. or, i'm not since maybe my brain just needs a bit of rest

purplerabbithole said:

In the absence of proof, let's not speculate too much.

morningsong said:

The white tablets bear the number M367, mimicking Actavis' Norco brand of hydrocodone plus acetaminophen tablets. Similar clusters of deaths from fentanyl-laced tablets have been reported on the east coast of the US as well as in Canada last year, suggesting the problem may be widespread across North America. A federal task force has been formed to investigate the origins of the illicit pills, which are currently thought to have been produced in Mexico, according to the DEA.

it's an epidemic that has very actually recently (this past week recent) made our own front pages as such here in Vancouver. People creating these drugs that are knowingly killing countless people...are effectively sereal killers. It's disgusting and tragic.

I'd like to shove a handful down each of their own throats. Or better yet...target practice

alandail said:

the more significant think in the story is the fentanyl overdose appears to have happened because the fentanyl was in a bottle labeled as hydrocodone, fetnanyl is vastly more powerful than hydrocodone

So Prince died because the wrong pills were in a bottle.

[Edited 8/20/16 19:31pm]

I said this months ago...

http://prince.org/msg/7/427504

A NORCO pill (hydrocodone) can be Fentanyl laced.

LBrent said:

luv4u said:

He never got the chance

I'm not sure which thread here on the Org, but it was posted that what they found in his system was strong enough to kill someone far bigger than him so my hope is that he didn't suffer and that's why whomever found him dressed him...because he was already gone.

I so hope he didn't suffer. Knowing he was alone is heartwrenching enough.

But yes, i do think it seems like he was already gone, and IF he didn't put the clothes on himself in that frantic stupor, then yes, this would be why they did, for modesty.

XxAxX said:

Not much rest is goig to happen this evening now.

morningsong said:

ForeverPaisley said:

If you're body is shutting down, from a drug overdose, you might just be grasping desperately for clothes, putting them on in the stupor your in...they may end up inside out. At that point, it probably wasn't a priority to stop and correct them. Just wish he picked up a phone, call 911 on speaker phone while dressing if need be. Something. Anything.

Only the socks were inside out, shirt and pants were backwards not inside out. Just to let my mind run completely wild: If I grab a shirt the way it looks correct to me and put it on someone facing me it would be backwards on them.

Yep definitely a possibility too - I didn't mean only inside out in my comment, but yes - backwards is easy to happen in this circumstance EITHER if he dressed himself OR they did upon waiting for emergency or such.

bobsteezy said:

I saw there are a lot of articles regarding that area.

morningsong said:

XxAxX said:

yes, i'm being entirely rational. or, i'm not since maybe my brain just needs a bit of rest

Not much rest is goig to happen this evening now.

yeah

derrick31 said:

rogifan said:

NinaB said: How is taking reports from unnamed sources and letting ones imagination run wild with all kinds of awful things good for anybody's health or sanity? It certainly doesn't bring closure, it just raises even more questions. I don't know what the Star Tribune's agenda is but I don't trust their motives at all. Especially after they decided to go sniffing around P's divorce records claiming that somehow the public has a right to know this information. BS and FU Star Tribune.

The Star-Tribune's agenda is to find out the truth about what happened to Prince. Thank god a media publication is pursuing the truth. They are doing the right thing.

[Edited 8/21/16 0:02am]

ooh I dunno if I'd go so far to say that. They've also pursued unsealing the divorce papers from almost a year ago. That has NOTHING to do with this. Though for the sake of selling papers with Prince's name/picture on it...they're very willing to cross that line.

morningsong said:

bobsteezy said:

Extra strain of more mandatory office visits.

Sometimes people in pain, who have a prescription for a 30 day supply of pills, may take two pills rather than one to get through a particular physical event. This leads to coming up short on pills and not being able to refill until 28 days after the date the prescription was filled. (There is also a small percentage of pharmacists that have no compassion for anyone trying to refill a prescription "early." A pharmacist that shames people in need is a low low level of human - but that's another story for another day.)

During this uncomfortable period (when a patient is short on pills) it is not uncommon for family members or friends to want to do anything to help the person suffering from pain. Some offer to "help" by loaning some meds they had leftover from whatever (a surgery or something). Or someone more aggressive might try to find some meds from a source outside of a doctor.

In California, around the end of April, there was a string of deaths related to pills that people thought were NORCO. Instead, the pills were laced with Fentanyl.

I'm just saying let us not assume that Prince knew he was taking Fentayl.

Here is a link to a story from the L.A. Times from April 26, 2016

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-norco-fentanyl-overdose-deaths-rise-to-14-problem-spreads-to-bay-area-20160426-story.html

I saw there are a lot of articles regarding that area.

bad drugs usually move in batches and certain 'areas' are affected. was prince near the bay area or LA in april/march??

wait a sec, wasn't kornfeld from near there? imagination running wild again ...

[Edited 8/21/16 1:27am]

XxAxX said:

He was here in early March, around the time of Vanity's funeral. Did 3 shows & an aftershow. I think his last Piano show was on the 5th or 6th, aftershow was the same night.
[Edited 8/21/16 1:27am]

slowlywiltingflower said:

ForeverPaisley said:

If you are distraught and emotional and just wanting to get him clothed before medics and anyone else arrive...it could happen.

I agree with this. Perhaps the people who found him, being distraught and hysterical, didn't realize how long he'd been gone already and thought the paramedics were going to be able to revive him, and they (the people who found him) were only trying to be helpful and respectful to Prince. I'm sure the entire situation felt so surreal and was so chaotic. To me, clothing being in disarray or put on wrongly doesn't seem so strange given the circumstances.

Precisely. I don't think they knew. I'm worried far less about the clothes than I am about the PP security being 'off' during this time? WTF?!

ForeverPaisley said:

I found it odd that every article of clothing was put on incoorectly. not just one sock on inside in and the other inside out, the shirt on correctly but the pants on wrong, what are the odds that everything is put on wrong if your haphazardly dressing yourself in your own clothes. Prince has a lifetime history of being neat. Someone unfamiliar with dressing another person may not realized everything would be backwards to them, and they'd only be concerned about the socks matching not which side was which.

CalhounSq said:

XxAxX said:

bad drugs usually move in batches and certain 'areas' are affected. was prince near the bay area in april/march??

wait a sec, wasn't kornfeld from near there? imagination running wild again ...

[Edited 8/21/16 1:20am]

He was here in early March, around the time of Vanity's funeral. Did 3 shows & an aftershow. I think his last Piano show was on the 5th or 6th, aftershow was the same night. [Edited 8/21/16 1:27am]

i know i'm speculating. probably don't mean a thing