morningsong said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

Yes, exactly. When you're a) not thinking clearly due to pain, illness, stress, etc; and b) you're rushed and your main objective is just to BE CLOTHED so you can leave to get to the hospital, it doesn't matter how neat or orderly or carefully dressed you normally are in your daily life...all that goes out the window during times of emergency. (and btw, I've put my sweatpants on backwards when leaving the ER and didn't discover that fact until I got home, so I empathize with you! )

both of you were rushing out your house not dressing to use the phone inside your house and not everything you had on was put on wrong. Sure a piece of clothing was wrong but not all of it.

I understand mostly the point/s you're wanting to make, which are good points..but I'm not clear about the "not dressing to use the phone inside your house" part. Are you saying Prince was rushing to go downstairs to use a phone? Or...? Forgive me for being dense and missing the obvious but it's late here. I should be in bed actually.

XxAxX said:

i'd believe he put his clothes on all wrong but for these: prince was fastidious, he would have put the clothes on right. and also, prince didn't ever seem to be a very modest guy.

i think if he needed help, he'd have gone out in search wearing just his shorts. or, nothing at all. i doubt prince would have taken the time to put on socks and shirt and pants in a rush if he were aware that he were overdosing again....

It makes me feel you've never a) experienced a medical emergency yourself or b) are unaware of how complications from, or combined effects of, including overdose of drugs, can truly impair even motor skills, as well as judgement. In that state of mind, and or the possible medical emergency happening in his body (if he indeed got out of bed and tried to go for help) he probably was thinking clothing versus no clothing, I don't think he could have stopped to care about those details of inside out of not, at that moment in time.

Though I still don't know why he didn't just call someone immediately WHILE trying to clothe himself in that state.

And...this all completely throws what I previously thought out the window. I thought he had come HOME and was on his way upstairs...and that's when it happened. This has literally spun everything on its head.

morningsong said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

It was reported he'd been gone already for 6 hours when he was found, so I was thinking perhaps he collapsed in the elevator and once it landed on the first floor (assuming that's where it was when his staff members found him) he just stayed in the elevator for that length of time, and that's where he removed his clothing either due to body temperature or thinking that he was somewhere else or something like that.

What? ok if I go any further it gets morbid, this is not an arm wrestling contest, I think I've crossed the line already and I don't care to go any further, To your theory. I know the DEA will look at every possibility and that's who counts right now.

I don't understand the tone of hostility I'm getting from you. I understand this is morbid. This ENTIRE SITUATION and discussion is morbid. I was only trying to make some sense of what seems to make NO sense (ie his clothing). I was certainly not trying to have an "arm wrestling" contest with you and I don't get how you got that from me. I thought we were having a discussion about a very sad, but unfortunately very real, tragedy. I'm sorry if I've offended you. Finally, I tried to word my responses on this thread carefully, yet clearly, so again I apologize if I crossed some line with you. I honestly don't understand what I said that made you think I was 'arm wrestling' with you or being argumentative, so again, I'm sorry.

Wow. This shit keeps getting weirder.

I personaly don't know what to think. I'm still firmly in the cornoer that Prince was expecting to pass away this year, but the manner it all went down seems accidental. We can't eliminale a well-planned suicide, or murder based on the information that has leaked so far. The fact that the trouble came to pass in the wee hours of the morning, make me worry more of his mental state, because he has a history of dramtic behavior in the dead of night. Still if I had to guess, the most likely sceanario is that one of his dumb-azz associates scored him a bad batch of pills.

If he had AIDS, I think the blabbing cops would have told it by now, so I lean away from that being an issue he was dealing with, but I wouldn't eliminate the possibility based on what's come out thus far.

morningsong said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

Yes, exactly. When you're a) not thinking clearly due to pain, illness, stress, etc; and b) you're rushed and your main objective is just to BE CLOTHED so you can leave to get to the hospital, it doesn't matter how neat or orderly or carefully dressed you normally are in your daily life...all that goes out the window during times of emergency. (and btw, I've put my sweatpants on backwards when leaving the ER and didn't discover that fact until I got home, so I empathize with you! )

both of you were rushing out your house not dressing to use the phone inside your house and not everything you had on was put on wrong. Sure a piece of clothing was wrong but not all of it.

I understand mostly the point/s you're wanting to make, which are good points..but I'm not clear about the "not dressing to use the phone inside your house" part. Are you saying Prince was rushing to go downstairs to use a phone? Or...? Forgive me for being dense and missing the obvious but it's late here. I should be in bed actually.

wildgoldenhoney said:

funksterr said:

Wow. This shit keeps getting weirder.

I personaly don't know what to think. I'm still firmly in the cornoer that Prince was expecting to pass away this year, but the manner it all went down seems accidental. We can't eliminale a well-planned suicide, or murder based on the information that has leaked so far. The fact that the trouble came to pass in the wee hours of the morning, make me worry more of his mental state, because he has a history of dramtic behavior in the dead of night. Still if I had to guess, the most likely sceanario is that one of his dumb-azz associates scored him a bad batch of pills.

If he had AIDS, I think the blabbing cops would have told it by now, so I lean away from that being an issue he was dealing with, but I wouldn't eliminate the possibility based on what's come out thus far.

It seemed like he was running out to get help. If it was suicide, he wouldn't be running. His frame of mind wasn't suicidal.

That's my feeling too...Having been given mega doses of tri-cyclic anti-depressants in the past (ones which are used for both anxiety / sedative effects AND pain-relief) I can tell you that you feel both panicky as the effects hit - but also hard-pressed to think clearly or do things properly - everything seems to slowwww down; your limbs don't work properly - AND ALL YOU WANT IS FRESH AIR.

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I am thinking back to when I was given those meds...Yes, I had a phone by the bed, but all I wanted to do was get dressed, do downstairs and get outside as fast as I could. I couldn't breathe! Calling for help was the last thing on my mind because the survival instinct kicks in - which meant AIR; must BREATHE AIR - but, bizarrely - MUST BE DRESSED FIRST!!! I know it sounds bonkers!

wildgoldenhoney said:

Dibblekins said:

That's my feeling too...Having been given mega doses of tri-cyclic anti-depressants in the past (ones which are used for both anxiety / sedative effects AND pain-relief) I can tell you that you feel both panicky as the effects hit - but also hard-pressed to think clearly or do things properly - everything seems to slowwww down; your limbs don't work properly - AND ALL YOU WANT IS FRESH AIR.

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I am thinking back to when I was given those meds...Yes, I had a phone by the bed, but all I wanted to do was get dressed, do downstairs and get outside as fast as I could. I couldn't breathe! Calling for help was the last thing on my mind because the survival instinct kicks in - which meant AIR; must BREATHE AIR - but, bizarrely - MUST BE DRESSED FIRST!!! I know it sounds bonkers!

Aww... And so sorry to hear that u went through this.

Thank you! I am lots better now - but I can empathise with how I imagine things might have gone down with P that night...I wish he had had the chance to get better too...

So they find in his body:

fentanyl -> potent, synthetic opioid ... of action

lidocaine -> used for numbing and nerv blocks

alprazolam -> Xanax (used for the treatment of panic disorder, and anxiety disorders)

percocet -> pain reliever

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In the article we see no mention as he having prescriptions for these.

I do not know how well regulated these drugs are in the U.S.

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This still paints the picture of a self-medicating patient with pain care needs beyond the normal painkiller level. I.e.: A doctor was needed. Did he visit a doctor on a regular basis? (or did a doctor visit him on a regular basis?)

Was the Xanax a longer term drug or did it come only after Moline?

The bodyguard said he did not use drugs in 2016, so why does his blood paint a different picture?

CooperC62057 said:

You believe he knew he was taking fentanyl?

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The article says that the pills were marked.

Not the bottle, the strips or any other container they were in.

This means that the pills were illicit.

Hydrocodone is a lesser painkiller, a US-only prescription drug that he did not have a prescription for.

What is this for a supposed control freak?