LuxLove said:

nursev said:

and for you silly ass newbies who just joined in June shame on you cuz ain't a damn thing funny about death and grief.

What do you mean - 'newbies' here have been making fun of Prince dying or fans mourning? Must've missed that, but then I don't read everything. I know the org is very negative but didn't think it was that bad. From what I've seen & in my own experience the 'newbies' who joined post April did so because they were grieving & wanted to be around like minded people. Can't say the same for the 'old' fans who were hating on Prince constantly before he died. Shame it took his death for some to appreciate him. Anyway no one should be making fun of this situation- we're all in the same boat.

Thanks LuxLove, I'm a newbie to org but not to Prince, I officially joined because I wanted to be with other like minded people who felt the same way about him. I have been a fan since the early 80s and I was in shock when I heard the news, especially where he was found. I originally like most people accepted that maybe he accidentially overdosed because he was in so much pain with his hip, then my opinion changed again to thinking maybe he was terminally ill which would explain why he made peace was Morris and especially Madge. It feels as though we're in limbo and we can't move on and have closure until we know the full truth (I don't care if it's ugly) because for me it will never change how I felt about him and his music.

ForeverPaisley said:

nursev said:

CooperC62057 said:

No one wakes up and says I think I'll become an addict and he'll, while I'm at it, let me take something to kill myself.

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So it is normal to go out on the street (or have someone do that) to get some pills?

Or should one go to a doctor instead? (I do not know the mores in the USA)

Didn't Prince have a doctor in Minenapolis that visited him when needed? (assuming that mr Prince would not make an appointment and come over to the doctor or sit in the Doctor's waiting room)

The fact that he did not go to a doctor to get proper care suggests a certain carelessness, at least with some person. (either a helper or Prince himself)

purplerabbithole said:

leadline said:

Of course he doesn't, the lighting is horrible, it's a frame that is not very flattering. I bet a few frames later he looked absolutely fine. We gotta stop taking these crappy pictures and making assumptions when the feet on the street (those close to him) all have said nothing looked wrong.

But I watched him perform in a clip on the internet (not gonna say where because I would like the footage to remain up) How Come U don't call me anymore? from the Piano and A Microphone tour. He sounded great but looked really bad. I don't mean just old or skinny. He's been pretty skinny in the past (mid 1990's) but his teeth seemed to be proturding out of his mouth, his neck looked really thin, his shoulder blades stuck out badly (even in loose clothes) and the effort to get through the song was apparent. He had energy and joy but the physical stamina seemed forced.

As for the condition of the afro, I assume that afro's are not always easy to maintain, but his looked pretty damn bad. I can't find a picture of that performance but his appearance was definitely worse than the picture I provided. I don't think you could find a flattering frame from that performance.

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purple I agree with you, the video looked horrible, he did not look good there, but I assure it was due to video quality, lighting, shadow....i have watching this video a few times, I deal with video for work so I know what I am talking about it. Also keep in mind a gigantic afro + loose clothes make anyone body/face look thinner, and of course lighting shadow play all kinds of tricks on the face.

udo said:

So even if mr Prince was not an addict, he got the pills not via a prescription from a doctor.

This means he was taking way more `painkillers` than a doctor would prescribe as money would not be an issue for mr Prince.

So maybe he was an addict.

This means perhaps that he did have a longer history with these pills as he could not get enough painkillers via a doctor.

yep, no one wants to see that..Walgreens ddin not mis lable the pills nor do they sell hydrcodone laced with fentynal,. the reason why he had sooo much in his system is the shit was good and that goodness overtakes whatever pain mgmt he was doing..Its like no one on the org ever dealt with any addict or used any drugs before..Claiming he was going to ge help??lol when you OD it just happnens very quickly

CooperC62057 said:

More often than not, started for pain, doctors tightening up prescribing them and then forced to obtain them illegally.

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Why would doctors tighten the prescribing?

Because the Obamacare would not cover it? Or because Prince could not pay the extra pills?

And then 'forced'?

That is ridiculous; we are talking a self proclaimed 'first world' western nation and a patient with plenty of liquidity cannot get the proper pain medications you suggest?

I have said all along i thought it was foul play, I don't know why, or who....but if you believe what Prince's actions have said over the decades, and, anyone who he has worked with, partied with, or was close with says, such as

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB0gJahFJ2A, how does this only have 273 hits??????????

then the only logical conclusion is that it was foul play.

Everything about Prince stood for health and non addiction, and nothing about this entire 4 months has made any sense, withheld info, rush jobs on autopsy and cremation, every day a new red flag and no real info, folks don't want to admit it for whatever reason, they want to keep pushing the drug narrative to compensate for the strangeness of it all, instead of choosing the logical (but horrifying) conclusion that it was foul play. It is indeed though looking more and more each day like it could absolutely be a possibility.

Like I said, if you believe Prince was clean, if you believe his message over the decades, if you believe his actions, if you believe those around him, those he worked with, then take into account the narrative that has been created, see the holes and inconcistencies for what they are, then there is absolutely no other conclusion that can be made. Foul play is the ONLY possibility. I have said it from day one and I stand by it.

udo said:

CooperC62057 said:

You believe he knew he was taking fentanyl?

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The article says that the pills were marked.

Not the bottle, the strips or any other container they were in.

This means that the pills were illicit.

Hydrocodone is a lesser painkiller, a US-only prescription drug that he did not have a prescription for.

What is this for a supposed control freak?

HYdrocodone from a pharmacy is what they call vicodin

leadline said:

Purplealegria7 said:

purplerabbithole said: Wow he does not look like himself here at all! Omg I can't put my finger on it but he looks way off

Of course he doesn't, the lighting is horrible, it's a frame that is not very flattering. I bet a few frames later he looked absolutely fine. We gotta stop taking these crappy pictures and making assumptions when the feet on the street (those close to him), and seeing him in real time, all have said nothing looked wrong.

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please stop with the lighting...you , my friend, are in deep denail Dude looked like shit for at min a year before his death

leadline said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB0gJahFJ2A, how does this only have 273 hits??????????

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339 hits.

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then the only logical conclusion is that it was foul play.

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So Prince blindly relies on his helper(s) to get HYdrocodone or whatever while realizing there is no prescription?!

That is foolish.

LoriJ said:

ForeverPaisley said:

I so hope he didn't suffer. Knowing he was alone is heartwrenching enough.

But yes, i do think it seems like he was already gone, and IF he didn't put the clothes on himself in that frantic stupor, then yes, this would be why they did, for modesty.

I'm trying to put this delicately, i don't think you can easily dress someone once rigor has set in.

thank you ,,.,.not without literally breaking and snapping their bones

morningsong said:

leadline said:

I have said all along i thought it was foul play, I don't know why, or who....but if you believe what Prince's actions have said over the decades, and, anyone who he has worked with, partied with, or was close with says, such as

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB0gJahFJ2A, how does this only have 273 hits??????????

then the only logical conclusion is that it was foul play.

Everything about Prince stood for health and non addiction, and nothing about this entire 4 months has made any sense, withheld info, rush jobs on autopsy and cremation, every day a new red flag and no real info, folks don't want to admit it for whatever reason, they want to keep pushing the drug narrative to compensate for the strangeness of it all, instead of choosing the logical (but horrifying) conclusion that it was foul play. It is indeed though looking more and more each day like it could absolutely be a possibility.

Like I said, if you believe Prince was clean, if you believe his message over the decades, if you believe his actions, if you believe those around him, those he worked with, then take into account the narrative that has been created, see the holes and inconcistencies for what they are, then there is absolutely no other conclusion that can be made. Foul play is the ONLY possibility. I have said it from day one and I stand by it.

how do you know what everthing about Prince stood for? You dont..Prince was the biggest contradiction ever...say one thing , do another

Purplealegria7 said:

morningsong said:

So now this "dealer" that said he knew Prince was using fentanyl, where's he again? He had so much information.

That guy was a PLANT! Riddle me this....what legitimate DRUG DEALER would show his ASS to the world via a tabloid article outlining his CRIMES of supplying illicit drugs (which just happen to be the same drugs found in his system in the autopsy) to a mega star client WHILE THERE IS A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION GOING ON?? RIGHT.....none of them would. This guy's does not exist. Or else he would have been pulled into this whole mess. This was done to plant the seed in our minds that he was a junkie because anyone who knows prince at all would never believe it. There was just no proof....hard or hearsay, no rumors, I have been saying this since the jump as well.

His proof is greater than your proof

lwr001 said:

leadline said:

I have said all along i thought it was foul play, I don't know why, or who....but if you believe what Prince's actions have said over the decades, and, anyone who he has worked with, partied with, or was close with says, such as

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB0gJahFJ2A, how does this only have 273 hits??????????

then the only logical conclusion is that it was foul play.

Everything about Prince stood for health and non addiction, and nothing about this entire 4 months has made any sense, withheld info, rush jobs on autopsy and cremation, every day a new red flag and no real info, folks don't want to admit it for whatever reason, they want to keep pushing the drug narrative to compensate for the strangeness of it all, instead of choosing the logical (but horrifying) conclusion that it was foul play. It is indeed though looking more and more each day like it could absolutely be a possibility.

Like I said, if you believe Prince was clean, if you believe his message over the decades, if you believe his actions, if you believe those around him, those he worked with, then take into account the narrative that has been created, see the holes and inconcistencies for what they are, then there is absolutely no other conclusion that can be made. Foul play is the ONLY possibility. I have said it from day one and I stand by it.

how do you know what everthing about Prince stood for? You dont..Prince was the biggest contradiction ever...say one thing , do another

Sure he absolutely was. However his stance on drugs/addition and his actions surrounding that are on record. His health habits are on record.

leadline said:

lwr001 said:

how do you know what everthing about Prince stood for? You dont..Prince was the biggest contradiction ever...say one thing , do another

Sure he absolutely was. However his stance on drugs/addition and his actions surrounding that are on record. His health habits are on record.

As are the numerous peopel in his emplloyee and GF's whom regularly used coke, weed, etc. Further, it could be he was in denial about his use , which is becoming very apparent that he was..In that denial he could have viewed himslef as different than the person who puts a needle in his arm

udo said:

lwr001 said:

leadline said:

Sure he absolutely was. However his stance on drugs/addition and his actions surrounding that are on record. His health habits are on record.

As are the numerous peopel in his emplloyee and GF's whom regularly used coke, weed, etc. Further, it could be he was in denial about his use , which is becoming very apparent that he was..In that denial he could have viewed himslef as different than the person who puts a needle in his arm

If you want to spin everything in the direction of him being dependent on drugs regardless of anything else, that is fine, and honestly, that is how mainstream media spun it, so it is logical, but unfortunate, that most folks will simply fall in line with that.

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2013 Grammy

ugh, i just can't anymore.

rogifan said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

NinaB said:

Eileen said:

Prince certainly had the computer skills to secretly get them himself. I would hope he wasn't asking staff/friends to risk prison time by getting him illegal meds... a bit too Limbaugh.

If you're a friend u get him help not dodgy drugs.

Yeah, that's if you're a TRUE, real friend you get the person help. I wonder exactly how many true, genuine friends Prince had vs people wanting to use him for their own self-serving agendas. As for Prince asking staff or friends to risk prison to obtain illegal drugs for him, I seriously seriously doubt THAT. There are always plenty of "yes" men/women and buttkissers surrounding celebrities in the guise of "helpful friend", i.e. wanting to score brownie points. There were also many naive, young people who worked for Prince who may have 'helpfully' gotten him meds and were completely clueless as to the dangers of what's happening in MN right now particularly re: street drugs.

Why would someone get meds for Prince and Prince take them if he didn't ask? Unless Kirk or someone else was also on medication, could see that Prince was in pain and gave him their pills to take? Bottom line is fentanyl was in his system. So either he took it knowing what it was, took it thinking it was something else, or I don't know what else. It's not like something you could slip in somebody's drink, I don't think.

leadline said:

lwr001 said:

As are the numerous peopel in his emplloyee and GF's whom regularly used coke, weed, etc. Further, it could be he was in denial about his use , which is becoming very apparent that he was..In that denial he could have viewed himslef as different than the person who puts a needle in his arm

If you want to spin everything in the direction of him being dependent on drugs regardless of anything else, that is fine, and honestly, that is how mainstream media spun it, so it is logical, but unfortunatel, that most folks will simply fall in line with that.

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nope, i'm speaking from my own experience.. he died from a dependance on drugs , thats irrefutable

His proof could have been an educated guess since Narcon doesn't work as well on Fentanyl as it does on Percecot. It could have just been obvious to the dealer that Percecot wasn''t what killed him so he told some BS about prince being on numerous drugs.

30 years is a super long time to be on drugs and for this April to be the first time Prince had any major od's or issues.

The reality is probably somewhere in between the two extremes...he was on drugs but a 30 year habit just simply makes no sense.

lwr001 said:

Purplealegria7 said:

morningsong said: That guy was a PLANT! Riddle me this....what legitimate DRUG DEALER would show his ASS to the world via a tabloid article outlining his CRIMES of supplying illicit drugs (which just happen to be the same drugs found in his system in the autopsy) to a mega star client WHILE THERE IS A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION GOING ON?? RIGHT.....none of them would. This guy's does not exist. Or else he would have been pulled into this whole mess. This was done to plant the seed in our minds that he was a junkie because anyone who knows prince at all would never believe it. There was just no proof....hard or hearsay, no rumors, I have been saying this since the jump as well.

His proof is greater than your proof

purplerabbithole said:

His proof could have been an educated guess since Narcon doesn't work as well on Fentanyl as it does on Percecot. It could have just been obvious to the dealer that Percecot wasn''t what killed him so he told some BS about prince being on numerous drugs.

30 years is a super long time to be on drugs and for this April to be the first time Prince had any major od's or issues.

The reality is probably somewhere in between the two extremes...he was on drugs but a 30 year habit just simply makes no sense.

lwr001 said:

His proof is greater than your proof

ok

Two days after he died, I heard it was thought it was more than likely he passed on April 20, not the 21st. The clothing he had on and the stash of pills were being discussed as well. Later on, these same people were leaning toward a deliberate overdose but I have not been able to accept that line of thinking. The big issue was the fact that no one was at PP with him. No security, no bodyguard, no assistant.

lwr001 said:

2013 Grammy

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and here he is from the same show looking absolutely fine....your point? Mine is that you can find any frame from anywhere with the right shadow and light that makes someone look bad.

lwr001 said:

leadline said:

If you want to spin everything in the direction of him being dependent on drugs regardless of anything else, that is fine, and honestly, that is how mainstream media spun it, so it is logical, but unfortunatel, that most folks will simply fall in line with that.

[Edited 8/21/16 7:15am]

nope, i'm speaking from my own experience.. he died from a dependance on drugs , thats irrefutable

Thanks for clearing that up for us all.

udo said: