slowlywiltingflower said:

And this goes back to my theory that it was simply pain management gone horribly wrong. And think if you were someone who helped Prince obtain something for the pain and it turned out to be something else that was so potent it killed him. I can only imagine how horrible that would be. If it was me I would be completely dead inside.

LuxLove said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

Yep b/c people, and the media, never embellish or make up straight up BS to sell copies. that story is so full of holes and out-of-character for Prince claims I find it difficult to believe anybody would believe it. MAYBE Prince was in the club a month before he passed...MAYBE he even played a song or two. But so much of the bulk of that 'story' is suspect it's ridiculous.

How does the guy know Prince was always running around with 2 women? Was he a part of Prince's camp too? Did he see him often?!

Good point.

rogifan said:

The StarTrib sounds like a self-serving rag, but if they can shed light on the facts surrounding P's death...

ForeverPaisley said:

XxAxX said:

i'd believe he put his clothes on all wrong but for these: prince was fastidious, he would have put the clothes on right. and also, prince didn't ever seem to be a very modest guy.

i think if he needed help, he'd have gone out in search wearing just his shorts. or, nothing at all. i doubt prince would have taken the time to put on socks and shirt and pants in a rush if he were aware that he were overdosing again....

It makes me feel you've never a) experienced a medical emergency yourself or b) are unaware of how complications from, or combined effects of, including overdose of drugs, can truly impair even motor skills, as well as judgement. In that state of mind, and or the possible medical emergency happening in his body (if he indeed got out of bed and tried to go for help) he probably was thinking clothing versus no clothing, I don't think he could have stopped to care about those details of inside out of not, at that moment in time.

Though I still don't know why he didn't just call someone immediately WHILE trying to clothe himself in that state.

And...this all completely throws what I previously thought out the window. I thought he had come HOME and was on his way upstairs...and that's when it happened. This has literally spun everything on its head.

No damn cellphone

luv4u said:

This coming from the same peeps who got mani's divorce records unsealed.

they're sleuthing out anything and everything. I would rather hear/read something in the NY Times or LA Times or something that at least has some semblance of newsworthy.

LBrent said:

I don't trust their agenda at all. Certainly not after they decided to go digging into his divorce records. Screw them.

ForeverPaisley said:

XxAxX said:

i'd believe he put his clothes on all wrong but for these: prince was fastidious, he would have put the clothes on right. and also, prince didn't ever seem to be a very modest guy.

i think if he needed help, he'd have gone out in search wearing just his shorts. or, nothing at all. i doubt prince would have taken the time to put on socks and shirt and pants in a rush if he were aware that he were overdosing again....

It makes me feel you've never a) experienced a medical emergency yourself or b) are unaware of how complications from, or combined effects of, including overdose of drugs, can truly impair even motor skills, as well as judgement. In that state of mind, and or the possible medical emergency happening in his body (if he indeed got out of bed and tried to go for help) he probably was thinking clothing versus no clothing, I don't think he could have stopped to care about those details of inside out of not, at that moment in time.

Though I still don't know why he didn't just call someone immediately WHILE trying to clothe himself in that state.

And...this all completely throws what I previously thought out the window. I thought he had come HOME and was on his way upstairs...and that's when it happened. This has literally spun everything on its head.

as fas as being unaware of what his mental status was, you're right. i've never used opioids like that. thank you for pointing that out.

and as far as his state of dress, you make a good point that he wouldn't have cared in what state he was clothed.

i personally think he wouldn't have cared if he was nude, when he was aware that he'd nearly passed on less than a week before, likely with the same preceding symptoms. your take on that is valid too, that he was so confused he wasn't aware of what he was doing.

i think we do agree that it makes more sense he would have been better served by reaching out for help than putting on a pair of socks. i think he was likely intelligent enough to have known that, but as you point out i don't know the precise effects of opioids like fentanyl.

[Edited 8/21/16 0:25am]

LBrent said:

lwr001 said:

Of interest was the fact that if this is to be believed. He needed not one but two narcan shots in Moline to be revived

But think about it, P's taking what he THINKS is his prescription and ends up in an ER in Moline. Doctors want to keep him, since they revived him and he'd rather be comfortable in the privacy of his own home, he leaves. But if he was feeling well and not in the type of pain that he usually took his prescription for...he was okay until the night before he was due to go to whatever rehab situation they claim he was going to. It's typical behavior for folks going into rehab treatment, even weight loss treatment, to do whatever for one last time before they go into treatment. Unfortunately, no one was with him to see he needed 911. The next morning, whoever found him dressed him for modesty's sake. But the coroner can tell if the body's been moved or whatever after death. (Fluids settle and you can bruise a dead body). Makes more sense now that loved ones are being so chill. The authorities haven't forgotten about P. They're not just ignoring his death. They're all chill in and working on the details of his death. Ok. That's more like it. I feel a little better about things now. [Edited 8/20/16 21:39pm]

I agree with your perspective here.

I can't work out if they found him in an elevator, I have no idea how this elevator is situated in relation to the building beyond there's an elevator that leads to the vault, how'd they find his clothes? Were they in the elevator? That's fast work to first find his clothes then put them on him while the dr's son looks on before the sheriff arrived.

Like you all, whatever went down I just wish we were told all that we possibly could be and then we may be able to move on in the grieving process, because sadly the outcome can't be changed. Heartbroken all over again....off to watch some concert footage to soothe my broken heart and to remember him for how he would want to be remembered, not this mess.

slowlywiltingflower said:

Eileen said:

Exactly. And I don't see how alleged wanna-be's and acquaintances would believe an unprompted offer of dodgy pills would be a great way to score points with a famously anti-drug health foodie.

<SNIP> Stating what an anti-drug health foodie type Prince was before his pain got so all consuming doesn't mean much (to me) when I understand how chronic pain that's chipping away at your life will alter a person and what they might consider in the name of RELIEF.

Hello slowly. I do understand and appreciate what you're saying, however that's a different context. I was replying to your posted scenario whereby Prince never requested anything and that such things happened to celebs due to buttkissers who try to ingratiate themselves into the life of the rich and famous by offering them whatever... which I read as a completely different context anyway.

XxAxX said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

Oh I completely agree with you about so much being unexplained. This entire tragedy from beginning to now is bizarre, and only seems to get more bizarre. But, and this is just my opinion, I think there is too much focus being placed on red herrings like this NY Daily News story and the mysterious 'two girls' with Prince. The waters are being muddied either by minutae, or people that (again, imo) SHOULD be more forthcoming are being given either a free pass due to who they are or for inexplicable reasons, such as that doctor who hasn't been heard from since April. (although to be fair, letting a physician go or the physician leaving his position amidst an investigation and situation such as this isn't uncommon; if that guy is an innocent bystander caught up in this mess merely due to unfortunate circumstance, I'd want to disappear too while all this is going on as what could he contribute anymore at this point? but again, WHO KNOWS WHAT HE KNOWS OR DOESN'T? Hopefully law enforcement does). I think some of Prince's "friends" who have spoken out with very unbelievable claims "Oh I *NEVER* saw Prince look like he was in pain!" or other similar remarks seems more weird to me...how could some of these people claiming ignorance or else denying what is known fact (now) say some of this stuff with a straight face? All this to say, I agree with you about us being left with FAR FAR too much 'unexplained weird'. And it's not right. There is something terribly fishy about so much of this and it's frustrating.

well said, and i totally agree. i feel uneasy about so much of what hasn't been explained about the multiple out-of-character weirdnesses surrounding prince's passing.

its affected the way i see things and it's quite possible i'm reading into the situation more than should be read.

on the other hand i really want dr. schulenberg to man up. he needs to face the world and speak up on exactly what 'tests' were run, what prescriptions were filled. he needs to tell investigators, as far as dr/client privilege will permit. a warrant should take care of that

why did dr. schulenderg go to PP to meet prince too late to save him, when he should have known prince was in danger? or DID he go to PP that night? SOMEone should look into that for real.

if prince was under the care of a doctor the day before he died, then HOW did his bloodstream contain enough fentanyl to kill anyone the very next day?

if the detail about his clothing is real, then i want the person or persons unknown who put his clothing on backwards and inside out to be found. this is imperative, as they were likely with him when he passed, or shortly thereafter.

i also want prince's alleged female companions to spill what they knew about his alleged drug use and/or illness.

his recreational activities may give us insight into who could have sold/supplied him with that mismarked prescription bottle that killed him.

and i want kirk to speak up and tell us how the paramedics waiting at the airport knew to give prince norcan. it's time.

anything less than the real truth, any lies or coverup even though well-intended, does a dishonor to the person prince was. imo

yeah, i know i'm asking for privileged information i'll never get. but its time for some answers

[Edited 8/21/16 0:12am]

Yeah, some of that stuff you mentioned -- that I'd like to know too, in the name of understanding how all this came to pass and maybe teach others in similar situations of the dangers of obtaining meds from dubious sources, mixing meds, etc -- will never be released because it just can't be (unless someone blabs, which of course will be suspect info anyway even if it's truth due to its anonymous origins). I agree with you that some people in Prince's circle need to speak up and be forthcoming for the good of ALL involved: fans, the general public, everyone who loved Prince, and most importantly, for Prince himself and his legacy. But there's all this secrecy and misinformation and conflicting information and nothing is falling into place or making sense.

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Of course I don't know but I'd think there's already been a warrant that has obtained all Prince's medical records from Dr. Schulenberg, and either at this point LE doesn't want that info disclosed, or the family has asked for it not to be, or it's just not relevent (I don't believe that myself, just tossing it out there as a possibility). But if Dr. S ever wants to practice medicine again in any capacity, it's probably not wise to hold an interview or news conference and tell the world about a patient's medical treatment. but again, I completely understand the desire to know.

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I agree with you wholeheartedly that it's time for some answers here. and I feel for you about the frustration and difficulty regarding Prince's passing that you're feeling because I'm feeling it too. He was such an integral part of my life ever since I was 15. I can name so many ways he indirectly and directly impacted, changed and affected my life. In this last decade as I struggle with my own chronic pain (imagine how I felt when I discovered he was going through a similar life experience as I was/am and I never even knew it ) and my life getting smaller and smaller and I'm able to do less and less, and friends have disappeared, etc...his music was a comfort to me, it brought me joy both because of the memories of better times it brought back and it gave me joy because of what his music IS, and one of the dreams I still held onto wasthat I'd get healthy enough again one day to attend PP parties and see him perform again..I held onto that dream for a long, long time and it never materialized and it cuts me deep to know it never can happen now. So I want justice for him too. I hate all this conflicting info and straight up weirdness surrounding this 'investigation'. I just wish he was still here. My heart still breaks. I wish you peace as well, XxAxX.

LoriJ said:

rogifan said:

So who are the unnamed sources blabbing to the Star Tribune? Throughout the entire article all it says is "sources". No one on the record actually named provided anything in this story other than the investigation is ongoing.

All the bits and pieces that we've gotten were from unnamed sources. It's has to be law enforcement on the scene leaking information.

All this time I thought he died going up. Now it seems he was coming back down for help. This is so devastaing. He did not just stop breathing, he apparently panicked and suffered.

Me too, UP! This is awful. I just can't. It's officially 4 months.

Truth of the matter is Prince is dead. He can't tell us what happened or speak up for himself and so far it appears that things are being kept hush hush and Prince has been demonized by the media labeled a drug addict rock star. Do you want the truth or not? The ST can turn over every damn rock in MN if that means finding out the truth about what really happened to Prince.

XxAxX said:

Well

If it was another media outlet I'd still say the same damn thing!

jumanji2016 said:

Also, I'm not well-versed in CPR, but is it protocol to remove a person's shirt during it? The 911 call said that CPR was started. Maybe Kirk and the doctor made a previous attempt at it before the EMTs arrived and just haphazardly put his shirt back on backwards. Can't explain the pants.

They didn't need to do CPR hun, he was already gone at the time of the call to 9-1-1

(if that transcript of the call is right).

and for you silly ass newbies who just joined in June shame on you cuz ain't a damn thing funny about death and grief.

slowlywiltingflower said:

XxAxX said:

well said, and i totally agree. i feel uneasy about so much of what hasn't been explained about the multiple out-of-character weirdnesses surrounding prince's passing.

its affected the way i see things and it's quite possible i'm reading into the situation more than should be read.

on the other hand i really want dr. schulenberg to man up. he needs to face the world and speak up on exactly what 'tests' were run, what prescriptions were filled. he needs to tell investigators, as far as dr/client privilege will permit. a warrant should take care of that

why did dr. schulenderg go to PP to meet prince too late to save him, when he should have known prince was in danger? or DID he go to PP that night? SOMEone should look into that for real.

if prince was under the care of a doctor the day before he died, then HOW did his bloodstream contain enough fentanyl to kill anyone the very next day?

if the detail about his clothing is real, then i want the person or persons unknown who put his clothing on backwards and inside out to be found. this is imperative, as they were likely with him when he passed, or shortly thereafter.

i also want prince's alleged female companions to spill what they knew about his alleged drug use and/or illness.

his recreational activities may give us insight into who could have sold/supplied him with that mismarked prescription bottle that killed him.

and i want kirk to speak up and tell us how the paramedics waiting at the airport knew to give prince norcan. it's time.

anything less than the real truth, any lies or coverup even though well-intended, does a dishonor to the person prince was. imo

yeah, i know i'm asking for privileged information i'll never get. but its time for some answers

[Edited 8/21/16 0:12am]

Yeah, some of that stuff you mentioned -- that I'd like to know too, in the name of understanding how all this came to pass and maybe teach others in similar situations of the dangers of obtaining meds from dubious sources, mixing meds, etc -- will never be released because it just can't be (unless someone blabs, which of course will be suspect info anyway even if it's truth due to its anonymous origins). I agree with you that some people in Prince's circle need to speak up and be forthcoming for the good of ALL involved: fans, the general public, everyone who loved Prince, and most importantly, for Prince himself and his legacy. But there's all this secrecy and misinformation and conflicting information and nothing is falling into place or making sense.

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Of course I don't know but I'd think there's already been a warrant that has obtained all Prince's medical records from Dr. Schulenberg, and either at this point LE doesn't want that info disclosed, or the family has asked for it not to be, or it's just not relevent (I don't believe that myself, just tossing it out there as a possibility). But if Dr. S ever wants to practice medicine again in any capacity, it's probably not wise to hold an interview or news conference and tell the world about a patient's medical treatment. but again, I completely understand the desire to know.

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I agree with you wholeheartedly that it's time for some answers here. and I feel for you about the frustration and difficulty regarding Prince's passing that you're feeling because I'm feeling it too. He was such an integral part of my life ever since I was 15. I can name so many ways he indirectly and directly impacted, changed and affected my life. In this last decade as I struggle with my own chronic pain (imagine how I felt when I discovered he was going through a similar life experience as I was/am and I never even knew it ) and my life getting smaller and smaller and I'm able to do less and less, and friends have disappeared, etc...his music was a comfort to me, it brought me joy both because of the memories of better times it brought back and it gave me joy because of what his music IS, and one of the dreams I still held onto wasthat I'd get healthy enough again one day to attend PP parties and see him perform again..I held onto that dream for a long, long time and it never materialized and it cuts me deep to know it never can happen now. So I want justice for him too. I hate all this conflicting info and straight up weirdness surrounding this 'investigation'. I just wish he was still here. My heart still breaks. I wish you peace as well, XxAxX.

right back atcha i used to feel that we should be quiet about our doubts and concerns with respect to his passing out of respect prince's privacy, but now, out of respect for his life, imo the truth really needs to be told. i'm conflicted, because i know these details are not necessarily mine to know, even though he was a long standing part of my world.

nursev said:

Poor Prince his last hours are starting to look like the things that nightmares are made of...I cant even imagine what he went through Hurts my soul

Me too Nurse. It's tragic.

Eileen said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

<SNIP> Stating what an anti-drug health foodie type Prince was before his pain got so all consuming doesn't mean much (to me) when I understand how chronic pain that's chipping away at your life will alter a person and what they might consider in the name of RELIEF.

Hello slowly. I do understand and appreciate what you're saying, however that's a different context. I was replying to your posted scenario whereby Prince never requested anything and that such things happened to celebs due to buttkissers who try to ingratiate themselves into the life of the rich and famous by offering them whatever... which I read as a completely different context anyway.

If Prince was really really suffering and someone he thought he could trust offered him pain killers, he might accept them. Thats what I was saying although perhaps not worded well. We have no idea the extent of Prince's suffering those last months, weeks, days, and added on to that physical pain is lack of sleep and emotional suffering (such as Vanity's death) and whatever else was going on in his life that we aren't aware of. Chronic pain and lack of sleep and proper rest, plus his stomach pain and 'flu like' symptoms..ALL of that combined I could see making him desperate enough to accept something from someone else if offered to him to 'help' him. He just wanted to feel better. He just wanted relief. And at the point he was at, he may not have cared if where he obtained that relief was quite legal or not. (and again I feel the need to qualify my speculation with that the person who may have given him the meds in the scenario I painted, may not have even known what was actually in the meds. i.e. fentanyl)

nursev said:

oliviacamron said:

Just when you thought you were safe

Can never wrap my head around that IG post of his.

babynoz said:

nursev said:

All those threads about him knowing he was dying and he didnt...this wasnt supposed to happen.

That is the real reason why almost none of us feel a sense of closure. It doesn't make sense because it wasn't his time.

This should not be happening.

XxAxX said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

Yeah, some of that stuff you mentioned -- that I'd like to know too, in the name of understanding how all this came to pass and maybe teach others in similar situations of the dangers of obtaining meds from dubious sources, mixing meds, etc -- will never be released because it just can't be (unless someone blabs, which of course will be suspect info anyway even if it's truth due to its anonymous origins). I agree with you that some people in Prince's circle need to speak up and be forthcoming for the good of ALL involved: fans, the general public, everyone who loved Prince, and most importantly, for Prince himself and his legacy. But there's all this secrecy and misinformation and conflicting information and nothing is falling into place or making sense.

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Of course I don't know but I'd think there's already been a warrant that has obtained all Prince's medical records from Dr. Schulenberg, and either at this point LE doesn't want that info disclosed, or the family has asked for it not to be, or it's just not relevent (I don't believe that myself, just tossing it out there as a possibility). But if Dr. S ever wants to practice medicine again in any capacity, it's probably not wise to hold an interview or news conference and tell the world about a patient's medical treatment. but again, I completely understand the desire to know.

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I agree with you wholeheartedly that it's time for some answers here. and I feel for you about the frustration and difficulty regarding Prince's passing that you're feeling because I'm feeling it too. He was such an integral part of my life ever since I was 15. I can name so many ways he indirectly and directly impacted, changed and affected my life. In this last decade as I struggle with my own chronic pain (imagine how I felt when I discovered he was going through a similar life experience as I was/am and I never even knew it ) and my life getting smaller and smaller and I'm able to do less and less, and friends have disappeared, etc...his music was a comfort to me, it brought me joy both because of the memories of better times it brought back and it gave me joy because of what his music IS, and one of the dreams I still held onto wasthat I'd get healthy enough again one day to attend PP parties and see him perform again..I held onto that dream for a long, long time and it never materialized and it cuts me deep to know it never can happen now. So I want justice for him too. I hate all this conflicting info and straight up weirdness surrounding this 'investigation'. I just wish he was still here. My heart still breaks. I wish you peace as well, XxAxX.

right back atcha i used to feel that we should be quiet about our doubts and concerns with respect to his passing out of respect prince's privacy, but now, out of respect for his life, imo the truth really needs to be told. i'm conflicted, because i know these details are not necessarily mine to know, even though he was a long standing part of my world.

Thank you for the hug. Yes, I feel that way too: I realize so many of these details aren't ours to know but in light of what's happening in this investigation and how little of it makes sense, i at least HOPE some people close to him will finally feel it's time to come forward and put some truth out there and help to make sense of this, in as much as is possible.

ForeverPaisley said:

rogifan said:

nursev said:

What is your purpose here? Its obvious that something unusual happened to Prince....stop posting craziness

Look I come from a family of people who believe in conspiracy theories. Heck my brother thinks 9/11 was an inside job. That's why I ask a lot of questions. If someone thinks there was foul play or P was murdered I'd like to know who and why. My belief is still that this was simply pain management gone horribly wrong and perhaps Kirk or someone else obtained pills for Prince which ended up not being what they thought they were and something much more potent. Someone on FB claims that early on the Star Tribune "source" said drugs were confiscated at PP but then the Sherrif's office came out and said none were found. Who knows what to believe because the only thing official that we have is the medical examiner's report. Everything else is unnamed sources allegedly close to the investigation.

I remember that. Kind of interesting that the same Star Tribune is now posting something that contradicts their previous article, thus increasing the suspicions around any truth within it.

slowlywiltingflower said:

XxAxX said:

right back atcha i used to feel that we should be quiet about our doubts and concerns with respect to his passing out of respect prince's privacy, but now, out of respect for his life, imo the truth really needs to be told. i'm conflicted, because i know these details are not necessarily mine to know, even though he was a long standing part of my world.

Thank you for the hug. Yes, I feel that way too: I realize so many of these details aren't ours to know but in light of what's happening in this investigation and how little of it makes sense, i at least HOPE some people close to him will finally feel it's time to come forward and put some truth out there and help to make sense of this, in as much as is possible.

i really hope you win your battle with chronic pain. it sucks you are suffering like that. i hope you find an effective treatment

Maybe I shouldn't mention this, I don't know, but I can't help but think of it amongst all this...

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If the investigators are being absolutely thorough, and trying to piece together the backstory of what ultimately came to pass, shouldn't they investigate that Penguin Girl also? She ADAMENTLY and repeatedly and constantly posts about all the time she and Prince spent together (including at that very last PP party) and how close they were, etc. Could she not have some pertinent, or at least helpful, info to give if what she claims is true (and I'm not so sure it is true but has anybody talked to HER?)

So accurate an articule, they're using a photo from like 5 years ago?

Pffft not even opening that garbage.

XxAxX said:

i'd like to know more about the 'two women' he was always hanging out with. who were they? their names?

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/manhattan-club-king-remembers-secret-prince-show-article-1.2758505

Manhattan club king remembers 'secret' Prince show weeks before singer's death

Late legend Prince performed a secret show at Avenue in Manhattan just a month before he died, a nightclub associate says.

(Nousha Salimi/AP)

Confidential

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Saturday, August 20, 2016, 6:00 PM

Actor and nightclub associate Wass Stevens reveals that Prince gave one “secret” show in Manhattan before he died in April — and no one who was there will ever forget it.

slowlywiltingflower said:

I thought about her also. Then again she could be lying, and the DEA already know her issues and have moved on.