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Reply #120 posted 06/21/16 7:24pm

nursev

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

babynoz said:



I'm having my own pain management issues this week so not really very alert I guess.

I was referring to other people. I do sincerely hope you feel better though. hug

Yes feel better Babynoz wink

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Reply #121 posted 06/21/16 7:25pm

destinyc1

FINALLY,FINALLY,FINALLY ...I'm so glad she spoke out.I feel so much better.Many people are saying the same thing.

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Reply #122 posted 06/21/16 7:26pm

nursev

Maybe if more people say something his fans can stop blaming folks and move on. Its hard to have closure when you dont know what happened.

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Reply #123 posted 06/21/16 7:26pm

babynoz

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

babynoz said:



I'm having my own pain management issues this week so not really very alert I guess.

I was referring to other people. I do sincerely hope you feel better though. hug



Thanks, I'm being extremely careful with these meds for one thing.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #124 posted 06/21/16 7:28pm

nursev

Now wheres that Meron lady? eek

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Reply #125 posted 06/21/16 7:30pm

StephanieThePi
sces

sad cry

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Apparantly Kiran Sharma doesn't appreciate Judith's speaking out about the incident (that's how it seems to me, anyway)? https://twitter.com/KIKITkiran

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Reply #126 posted 06/21/16 7:31pm

laurarichardso
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makeadifference said:

I'm glad he left this world in the middle of such a loving, close friendship and not lonely. I'm sorry Judith has to bear the burden of "what if."



I'm now starting to wonder just how serious his hip pain really was. If she was so close to him, how did she not know he was in major pain? She said he moved "swiftly" and there was no evidence of hip pain. Also, the YouTuber .. Maya, I think her name was, who photographed Prince for his last album said the same thing .. no evidence of pain and that he moved swiftly in platform flip flops or something. Has there ever been footage of him hobbling? I'm wondering if somehow he got hooked on the painkillers but without the pain. The reason I bring this up is because it explains how he could have hid his addiction so well.

[Edited 6/21/16 18:18pm]


-- The autopsy report showed scars on both legs and Billy Sparks said he had hip surgery not replacement.
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Reply #127 posted 06/21/16 7:32pm

SanDiegoFunkDa
ddy

so sad sad

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Reply #128 posted 06/21/16 7:32pm

nursev

StephanieThePisces said:

sad cry

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Apparantly Kiran Sharma doesn't appreciate Judith's speaking out about the incident (that's how it seems to me, anyway)? https://twitter.com/KIKITkiran

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eek

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Reply #129 posted 06/21/16 7:32pm

CROWNS1

PeteSilas said:

no telling and I'm still not sure of anything, drugs or something else. but i will say this, Prince, the classic control freak would have had a hard time in a controlled environment that wasn't his. He'd been controlling or rather, overcontrolling things for a long time.

True. But...had he seen someone else, he could have used methadone or suboxone to come off of the fentanyl. From what has been said, Schulenberg didn't prescribe narcotics which makes it sound like he was trying to cold turkey it, or at the least maybe using benzos to counter act the withdrawals...neither of which would be a good scenerio and could lead to OD. It's moot now. coulda woulda shoulda. It is what it is, I hope whatever Schulenberg did comes to light. If he was doing things on the up and up, he would still have his job IMO. But he doesn't and he has disappeared.

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Reply #130 posted 06/21/16 7:33pm

nursev

nursev said:

StephanieThePisces said:

sad cry

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Apparantly Kiran Sharma doesn't appreciate Judith's speaking out about the incident (that's how it seems to me, anyway)? https://twitter.com/KIKITkiran

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eek

Somebody had to

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Reply #131 posted 06/21/16 7:33pm

PurpleMusic07

StephanieThePisces said:

sad cry


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Apparantly Kiran Sharma doesn't appreciate Judith's speaking out about the incident (that's how it seems to me, anyway)? https://twitter.com/KIKITkiran


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who is kiran sharma? apparently damaris has an issue. judith has one life to live. i would hope they would be more understanding. she was very respectful in her statements.
"Where you are now is in a place that does not require time." - Rest In Power, PRINCE
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Reply #132 posted 06/21/16 7:33pm

maseratigirl

This may be totally off topic but what I can't understand is why some people say they didn't know he was in pain and someone else said he was in pain all the time. I just don't understand any of this. It's like I have more questions than answers. We will probably never know the true story.
#LoveU4EverMyPrince💜💜💜
#UntilTheEndOfTime💜💜💜
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Reply #133 posted 06/21/16 7:33pm

babynoz

StephanieThePisces said:

sad cry

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Apparantly Kiran Sharma doesn't appreciate Judith's speaking out about the incident (that's how it seems to me, anyway)? https://twitter.com/KIKITkiran

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Damaris is unhappy too.

They shouldn't criticize her.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #134 posted 06/21/16 7:35pm

AnnaStesia10

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babynoz said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I was referring to other people. I do sincerely hope you feel better though. hug



Thanks, I'm being extremely careful with these meds for one thing.

Yes be careful. Sometimes it's unavoidable to be on pain meds. Dr. Drew I think said if you take them for 2 weeks or less, it's fine, but more time than that is risky and can cause an addiction that you maybe cannot control. Can I just say I had a friend that used to use fentanyl and pain pills and it did not make him sleepy or out of it. In fact, he got addicted because it physically makes you addicted you cannot stop without going into full blown withdrawal - it's chemistry. Also, it took all of his pain away so he was able to do things and function. And for him, it actually gave him a "boost" as he told me. Like it gave him a little pep. I think every one is different, but for his brain it did that for him. You could never tell he was on anything, until he got to a point where he was doing too much and mixing with alcohol, then he had to get help. But you cannot just stop cold turkey or you get sick or worse. He had to get help and get on other drugs to get off the drugs. It's really jacked up. I can easily see how Prince got roped into this cycle. The smartest, best people get sucked in. The drugs make you dependent and feel no pain. It's so dangerous.

"A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince
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Reply #135 posted 06/21/16 7:36pm

RiotPaisley

PeteSilas said:



CROWNS1 said:


If we as a society have come to the point where Narcan is given to everyone who is unconscious 'just in case' then this country has really gone to hell in a handbasket. I don't believe that to be the case. Now, they may have looked at his eyes and if his pupils were pinned then yes, give narcan, but I've not heard of paramedics just giving it to anyone who is unconscious. I work in a hospital and my nephew is a paramedic and I've not heard that before. As for seizures there are different types, my son has had seizures, yes the eyes can go 'fixed' but he doesn't go unconscious. His eyes remain open and depending on the severity of the seizure his whole body can jerk, just one side, and once just his thumb twiched...but he never passed out (until after when he sleeps for a whole day). Seizures are very tiring on people.


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well, it's what's been said in the media since Prince died. here in seattle, police have saved several lives of people they come across who are unconscious with some kind of narcan spray. the country is having a serious problem with not just opioids but all kinds of drugs.




Yeah it's that bad. High schools are allowed (and encouraged with free doses) to have it on hand. http://www.usnews.com/new...gh-schools

It's THAT ugly. But Narcan is just a band aide and a false sense of security for addicts, parents/ loved ones. Unless your opioid dependent loved one is with you 24/7- how would you feel having that in your house, your kid goes to their room, you go to yours, you go to bed- they get high... The narcan sitting in the medicine cabinet.
Surprise, surprise.
Another treat. Another trick.
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Reply #136 posted 06/21/16 7:37pm

Tresha68

mimi1956 said:

I don't know, sort of on the fence about the whole thing. Not doubting the medical parts but, I just don't know. Call it a feeling, just my opinion and I guess that's what this thread is about?



I feel the same way. I say this with no ill intent, but her FB post and this interview are so deeply emotional. Almost as if she was reading more into the relationship. I don't know how else to say it without coming across as flippant or disrespectful. Granted, grief has no textbook or guidelines. It just seems very odd to me. I hope she finds peace.
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Reply #137 posted 06/21/16 7:39pm

maseratigirl

babynoz said:



StephanieThePisces said:


sad cry


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Apparantly Kiran Sharma doesn't appreciate Judith's speaking out about the incident (that's how it seems to me, anyway)? https://twitter.com/KIKITkiran


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Damaris is unhappy too.

They shouldn't criticize her.



I noticed that too!

#LoveU4EverMyPrince💜💜💜
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Reply #138 posted 06/21/16 7:40pm

laurarichardso
n

babynoz said:



AnnaStesia10 said:




yzarcog99 said:



Also, who told them about it being an opiod overdose if there was only two people on the plane and Prince was overdosing and unable to speak? Doesn't that seem to point to it being known that he was taking opiods? The medics would not give a Narcon shot as a guess.




This point you made is being overlooked. Yes if Prince all of a sudden was talking to Judith on the plane and then he passed out, and she then said Kirk and her informed the pilot to land. Then he was given Narcan before going to the hospital. That is very telling that either Kirk or Judith, or both of them, knew exactly what he was taking. Very interesting..





Not really, it's just that it has been discussed at length in other threads and if I recall correctly it was explained that it is routine for paramedics to give narcan to unresponsive people, regardless.


-- Yes, they do give it to people who are just unresponsive. Fentayl is given to terminal patients still wondering if he had other health issues and therefore in no hurry to get to his doctor.
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Reply #139 posted 06/21/16 7:43pm

babynoz

AnnaStesia10 said:

babynoz said:



Thanks, I'm being extremely careful with these meds for one thing.

Yes be careful. Sometimes it's unavoidable to be on pain meds. Dr. Drew I think said if you take them for 2 weeks or less, it's fine, but more time than that is risky and can cause an addiction that you maybe cannot control. Can I just say I had a friend that used to use fentanyl and pain pills and it did not make him sleepy or out of it. In fact, he got addicted because it physically makes you addicted you cannot stop without going into full blown withdrawal - it's chemistry. Also, it took all of his pain away so he was able to do things and function. And for him, it actually gave him a "boost" as he told me. Like it gave him a little pep. I think every one is different, but for his brain it did that for him. You could never tell he was on anything, until he got to a point where he was doing too much and mixing with alcohol, then he had to get help. But you cannot just stop cold turkey or you get sick or worse. He had to get help and get on other drugs to get off the drugs. It's really jacked up. I can easily see how Prince got roped into this cycle. The smartest, best people get sucked in. The drugs make you dependent and feel no pain. It's so dangerous.



After two or three days the opiods make me nauseated so I don't stay on them. Thankfully I haven't had to.


Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #140 posted 06/21/16 7:43pm

laytonian

laurarichardson said:

babynoz said:



Not really, it's just that it has been discussed at length in other threads and if I recall correctly it was explained that it is routine for paramedics to give narcan to unresponsive people, regardless.

-- Yes, they do give it to people who are just unresponsive. Fentayl is given to terminal patients still wondering if he had other health issues and therefore in no hurry to get to his doctor.

If he was terminal, would he have *wanted* to get off the drugs?

I think all this talk about illness was from people trying to make sense of the symptoms they saw -- and someone selling a story for $$$$.

Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me.
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Reply #141 posted 06/21/16 7:45pm

babynoz

maseratigirl said:

babynoz said:



Damaris is unhappy too.

They shouldn't criticize her.

I noticed that too! #LoveU4EverMyPrince💜💜💜




It's sad to see Damaris and Kiran getting into a pissing contest/catfight on social media over who was his "real friend" when none of their asses were there for him either.

Females.....smdh.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #142 posted 06/21/16 7:45pm

nursev

babynoz said:

maseratigirl said:

babynoz said: I noticed that too! #LoveU4EverMyPrince💜💜💜




It's sad to see Damaris and Kiran getting into a pissing contest/catfight on social media over who was his "real friend" when none of their asses were there for him either.

Females.....smdh.

amen

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Reply #143 posted 06/21/16 7:47pm

babynoz

nursev said:

babynoz said:




It's sad to see Damaris and Kiran getting into a pissing contest/catfight on social media over who was his "real friend" when none of their asses were there for him either.

Females.....smdh.

amen



Ya know, sometimes women need to stop that mess and I'm a female saying this.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #144 posted 06/21/16 7:48pm

PurpleDiamonds
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StephanieThePisces said:

sad cry


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Apparantly Kiran Sharma doesn't appreciate Judith's speaking out about the incident (that's how it seems to me, anyway)? https://twitter.com/KIKITkiran


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sad
See where she and others are coming from on twitter...sad that some seem to come forward when it may not be time yet??
This is still soooo very sad. My heart goes out to all of those who were very close to Prince. He was obviously a very special person to many.
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Reply #145 posted 06/21/16 7:48pm

PurpleMusic07

Tresha68 said:

mimi1956 said:

I don't know, sort of on the fence about the whole thing. Not doubting the medical parts but, I just don't know. Call it a feeling, just my opinion and I guess that's what this thread is about?



I feel the same way. I say this with no ill intent, but her FB post and this interview are so deeply emotional. Almost as if she was reading more into the relationship. I don't know how else to say it without coming across as flippant or disrespectful. Granted, grief has no textbook or guidelines. It just seems very odd to me. I hope she finds peace.


Perhaps a lot of fans are reading more into it. we are definitely socialized to equate deep emotional relartionships with the opposite sex as being romantic/sexual in nature. as a culture we have made the word "intimate" only refer to romantic relationships.


I personally just get tthe vibe that they had a super close relationship. Period. COuld it have been romantic? Hell yeah. Platonic friends dont generally tell each other "i want to take up all your time and be the only one u hang out with".. But either way its none of our biz.


shes hurting. whatever they were to each other he meant something to her and that matters. she deserves a massive hug. i hope she finds peace. i couldnt imagine losing my partner. and back in highschool had i lost the person that was my best friend i would have been crushed, we shared a highly intense emotional relationship - nothing romantic about it. its not abnormal to love deeply outside off a romantic relationship.
"Where you are now is in a place that does not require time." - Rest In Power, PRINCE
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Reply #146 posted 06/21/16 7:48pm

Goddess4Real

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nursev said:

babynoz said:




It's sad to see Damaris and Kiran getting into a pissing contest/catfight on social media over who was his "real friend" when none of their asses were there for him either.

Females.....smdh.

amen

sad yeahthat

Keep Calm & Listen To Prince
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Reply #147 posted 06/21/16 7:50pm

NikkiH

cindyt said:

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

thanks for adding this. i wonder what other conditions have this reaction. i recall one interview about an angel healing prince's childhood epilepsy, i wonder if it had ever returned.

and that is what the person I saw have the seizure had. Epilepsy. I can see the way her eyes looked right now, and it was years ago..absolutely fixated and not moving...talking one minute and the next second...staring straight ahead and then on the ground.

Honestly this struck me too, because that was the first thing I thought may have happened when we found out how his body was found. I've witnessed more than one seizure and they all happened in a similar fashion. Sitting and talking one second, eye fixed and straight to the floor the next.

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Reply #148 posted 06/21/16 7:51pm

laurarichardso
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laytonian said:



laurarichardson said:


babynoz said:




Not really, it's just that it has been discussed at length in other threads and if I recall correctly it was explained that it is routine for paramedics to give narcan to unresponsive people, regardless.



-- Yes, they do give it to people who are just unresponsive. Fentayl is given to terminal patients still wondering if he had other health issues and therefore in no hurry to get to his doctor.


If he was terminal, would he have *wanted* to get off the drugs?


I think all this talk about illness was from people trying to make sense of the symptoms they saw -- and someone selling a story for $$$$.


-- That is my point he did not seem to be serious about getting help look how long he took to go back to his doctor.
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Reply #149 posted 06/21/16 7:51pm

nursev

Im past the blame game but this bullshit about fans dont have a right to know what happened to Prince bothers me. His fans supported his endeavors and theirs too. His fans are the reason they all were successful so to just close us out IMHO is wrong. I know some disagree, but so be it.

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