funksterr said:

Yeah.. that read like a kick in the chest. I tend to be a skeptic, or rather at least voice my skepticisms, um... why did the hospital not warn Prince, Kirk, and Judith how precarious his situation was given the narcan shot? Maybe they did because the article says Judith would not discuss his medical treatment in detail so who knows? I just don't see how he could have been released from the hospital under those circumstances (knowing he could easily overdose going forward). She says he was fully co-operative but I dunno.

Judith doesn't know a thing about Prince suffering from hip pain, which does make sense to me.

I don't think the hip pain story makes sense just because the grinding of the joint would continue regardless of medication. He would not be able to smoothly walk and dance. It's not a broken bone but it's similarly a body part that is not fully functional. You'd also build up a tolerance to medication, to the point that he would have OD'd long ago if that were really the case.

For me the mystery continues, but Judith would most likely know (with him everday for 2 years) if he was taking meds due to hip pain. I'm glad she was not involved with illegal scripts.

I know someone that recently had to undergo a double hip replacement. I had no idea she was in a position were she would have needed such. She is not a dancer but does stand on her legs up to 10 hours a day, over 40 hours a week. It is easier to tell when someone is faking pain, but some people are really good at masking it. I would take Prince as the latter.

PeteSilas said:

She got a lawyer, everybody got a lawyer. And right now technically she's alone in this, careerwise. Sooooo...gotta appreciate her, a bunches.

yzarcog99 said:

Dolphinking23 said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/arts/music/prince-death-judith-hill-plane.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

Is that really how drug overdoses can look? I've never heard of anyone carrying on a conversation and eating, then suddenly checking out like that in mid-conversation--not as part of a drug overdose in which no obvious drug use was taking place (like as in plain sight)... Anyone have any background knowledge about how that works or length of time between taking a med and simply dying?

I said the same thing. Narcan usually wears off very fast (30 minutes or so), much faster than the pain medication would. It also causes some unpleasant side effects. I guess it is possible they continued administration of the Narcan but still, it would not have been a "peaceful" time, I don't think. I was like okay, was that really an OD, then? Has anyone here witnessed the use of Narcan in a patient that needed it?

yzarcog99 said:

Dolphinking23 said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/arts/music/prince-death-judith-hill-plane.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

Also, who told them about it being an opiod overdose if there was only two people on the plane and Prince was overdosing and unable to speak? Doesn't that seem to point to it being known that he was taking opiods? The medics would not give a Narcon shot as a guess.

Narcan can be given as a "guess". It is part of most protocols.

vandeluca said:

Epilepsy is such a tricky condition they don't fully understand. It is one of those things...It can ALWAYS come back decades later. They tell you you are cured..but I don't think it ever really is. I never tust it.

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There are seizures triggers such as lack of sleep, stress, drugs, alchohol that can make one more prone to a seizure (if you have epilspsy). Most important, people think seizures are just shaking...they are not. They can be eye fixation, eye deviation, lip smacking, etc. All kinds of odd behaviors like one is in a zone. And they can last a long time...

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I always wondered from the get go if his past epielpsy had something to do in all of this..I have never seen a person having an overdose, but I have seen people having seizures just like Judith described. I don't know though why Narcan would be invovled for a seiuzre...

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As far as being conscious or unconcious while getting off a plane--seizures take a ton of energy out of the body. Afterwards, the person is seemingly 'unconscious' and once that wears off, (they sleep it off) which can take a few hours, they can appear normal again....

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Personally, I would not be surprised if his death was related to both the opoid and somehow seizure issue intertwined. Seizure death doesn't usually make it in the autopsy report..

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

thanks for adding this. i wonder what other conditions have this reaction. i recall one interview about an angel healing prince's childhood epilepsy, i wonder if it had ever returned.

[Edited 6/21/16 21:32pm]

thanks for posting this. i wonder why he brought up the epilepsy in the tavis smiley interview. the only seizures i have witnessed were in my dog after he ate certain foods, he would tense up, fall over and shake a lot for a few minutes.

ACharmed1 said:

Something keeps nagging me about this which is why come out with this now? I mean I don't want no one to get me wrong I feel bad for her and I'm *kind of* glad we know a little bit more, but now with the catfight fight starting something feels off... Is she trying to allude to the fact that they were a couple? In that FB post she say's he told her "I just wanna take up all of Ur time" etc. I'm wondering if that was a line he threw out there (Like several women saying he told them TMBGITW was written for them) or what? She's going on tour and then she states that now she's only realizing how much she relied on him. Please say this ain't no PR stunt.

If P was using that line on them all, I have to give it to him, that's a good one. That would get him into my panties in no time.

maseratigirl said:

babynoz said:

Damaris is unhappy too.

They shouldn't criticize her.

I noticed that too! #LoveU4EverMyPrince💜💜💜

I don't think Judith revealed much more than we already knew, other than the details about her dinner with Prince, during which he apparently lost consciousness, and comforting him in hospital. They are accusing her of "romanticising" things. It sounds like to me that maybe these other women in P's life wish it was they who were on the plane and in the hospital with him. Is the timing for Judith's reveal convenient, with her upcoming tour that starts Wednesday? Of course, but perhaps she needed to "Free Herself" before hitting the road.

nursev said:

As for these women arguing on social media about Ms. Hill speaking out Im glad she did...Princes fans needed to hear that so fuck what they say.

tmo1965 said:

ACharmed1 said:

Something keeps nagging me about this which is why come out with this now? I mean I don't want no one to get me wrong I feel bad for her and I'm *kind of* glad we know a little bit more, but now with the catfight fight starting something feels off... Is she trying to allude to the fact that they were a couple? In that FB post she say's he told her "I just wanna take up all of Ur time" etc. I'm wondering if that was a line he threw out there (Like several women saying he told them TMBGITW was written for them) or what? She's going on tour and then she states that now she's only realizing how much she relied on him. Please say this ain't no PR stunt.

If P was using that line on them all, I have to give it to him, that's a good one. That would get him into my panties in no time.

Right? Talk about Cassanova more like CassaSupernova.

ACharmed1 said:

Personally I've never bought into the idea that he was so bullheaded that NOONE could get through, I'm sure someone could have given some effort, especially with him that close to the edge. I'm feeling he was more pliable this way though. I really need to shut and feel the bliss. Zootopia, anyone?

NikkiH said:

PeteSilas said:

but they have convulsions don't they? I've seen a couple seizures, once, I was talking to my aunt when she started making funny noises, eyes didn't go blank but sort of crossed up, then she fell and had a grand mal.

Not always, I've seen people fall face first to the ground saying nothing without twitching.

I have a good friend who has seizures and she does not twitch at all. She simply stares off and does not respond when you call her name.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

bilbolives said:

I am glad she was willing to reveal what had happened on the way home from Atlanta, apparently a near-death experience with regard to Prince explaining to her that he needed to get back into his body by following their voices.

Listen up. Kirk is probably going to be criminally charged soon, and Judith is trying to distance hereself from Kirk since they were the only two on the airplane that night. Attorneys talk amongst each other. I am sure Judith has an attorney. Trust. This is a self serving article by Judith Hill.

What makes you think Kirk is going to be criminally charged? I think that would be an absolute travesty. The man is no doubt inconsolable, still. He has been the one constant in P's life since, if not before, "Purple Rain." That's over three decades as P's trusted employee, friend, and confidante...but he had no control over P. With regard to him lawyering up, I think he did the right thing. In fact, I think he would have been a fool NOT to retain counsel.

tmo1965 said:

NikkiH said:

Not always, I've seen people fall face first to the ground saying nothing without twitching.

I have a good friend who has seizures and she does not twitch at all. She simply stares off and does not respond when you call her name.

ok, kind of like boxers and fighters i've known, they just blank in and out a lot. sounds similar.

morningsong said:

Yeah, I never thought he was even slightly bull-headed in this regard. People can't help a person with issues that they don't know about. Frankly, people are acting like it's super difficult to conceal things that you don't want others to know. It really isn't. Prince didn't want sympathy for what he was going through. He liked being there for others. I don't think he even knew how to react to others being there for him.
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PeteSilas said:

jumanji2016 said:

I wouldn't call her 'immature' necessarily. Damaris is 25 now, so she would have been around 21 when that prank call was initially recorded....so if anything it was age-appropriate.

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ya, but when i'm in my fifties i'm gonna want my old man sleep and wouldn't want some girl waking me up for a gag. I'm sure you understand.

Well then you should get women your own age.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Oh she gave a ton of insight. Couldn't care less who he was romancing, he's been playing that role for decades now, he had the power to. They can catfight all they wanna. She's the one whose action started trying to get some real help. Folks are gonna try to cruxify her because she took action? Sounds stinky to me.

suomynona said:

So, just in case anyone wonders why so few people in the circle are talking. Or if they are, why so little. A lot of the content in this thread (and all of the other threads exactly like this one) is why.

Yeup...

Such nastiness over here.

BlackandRising said:

The comments in this thread in response to what she stated in the article are...borderline crazy. Why didn't she say this, why didn't she say more, whdy did Prince listen to someone so new to his circle, blah blah. You would think that a site dedicated to Prince would have a bit more tact around commenting about people that were close to him. There's much..actually there's an extremem amount if hateration in this thread, lots of conjecture, etc. I'm sure that if Prince could read this he'd be quite dismayed at the pettiness being tossed around because of what people thought Ms Hill left out, if she decided to talk just to get in the paper, if she's being purposely vague, whatever. I mean, as much as everyone here loved Prince, don't you think that she did just sa much and maybe even more given that she was around the man for a long time apparently? To see someone pass out before your eyes, see him come back to life, being told that tried hard not to go back into his body, and then, actually dying. I'm sure that the peopel that knew him are in much more pain than we are. So just because we aern't hearing what we want to hear from people that may higly value and respect their friendship with Prince, doesn't mean they are somehow responsible, or being obtuse, or withholding information for the sake of doing so.

He told her: “‘I had to fight for my life. I remember hearing your voices from afar and saying to myself, ‘Follow the voices, follow the voices, get back in your body, you gotta to do this.’ And he said it was the hardest thing he’d ever done, to get back into his body like that.”

What do yall think someone might be going through, hearing that from Prince, and then his dying a few days later?

That's just it, I wholeheartedly think someone that cared for him-- having heard those words from him-- should and would NOT have left his side for ANY reason until they were damn certain he was well or at the very least, actually receiving the professional help he needed and maybe he wouldn't have died a few days later. Do I feel bad for her and what she might be going through? On some level, yes I do. But absolutely nothing about this enormous clusterfuck that has not stopped growing, sits right with me. If that makes me sound borderline crazy, so be it.

[Edited 6/21/16 22:16pm]

A lot of people have been looking at Kirk but the person I am more interested in is Dr. Schulenberg. He "left" his position at the hospital (either willing or was fired, we don't know). He removed his YouTube videos. He has basically fallen off the face of the earth. The search warrant that was leaked stated they were checking his office/the hospital because "(t)he property above-described constitutes evidence which tends to show a crime has been committed, or tends to show that a particular person has commited a crime". True, innocent to proven guilty, but if you did not do anything wrong, then why would you disappear? Kirk is still around, he's quiet, but he's around. I do not think he would ever want to do anything to hurt his friend and he was genuinely shocked when he found him. This doctor, though, shows up to Paisley Park to drop off results which seems a bit odd. Why not call? Was he snooping? Why was he really there? Did he commit some type of malpractice? Maybe he meant no harm to Prince either, but some people get starstruck and sure enough, "VIP Syndrome" will surface. I figure most have seen the VIP article out there. Maybe he tried to do something outside of his scope of practice, too. I am just speculating.

I wish we knew how long Prince had been using fentanyl, and what the source of fentanyl was, too. If it was in fact a patch that was administering the medication, they peak/reach steady state in about 12-24 hours after administration. So, if he by chance had a patch on from the afternoon of the 20th, it would have began to peak sometime during the late night, around the time he passed, assuming he had not had one on before that time. Question is, was it a patch and where did it come from as it likely isn't from Walgreens or they (DEA, Carver Co.) would not be investigating as they are.

I just wanted to toss this out there. His death troubles me so badly.

Purpleone4Eva said:

Pish!!! There is serious self-interest though. It ain't my orld but I get how these things go.

morningsong said:

ACharmed1 said:

I'm glad someone else is thinking the same thing. I never been angry about his passing until after reading this but, mainly for the reason that this is painting a bigger picture of how much he was suffering in silence and I can't help but be pissed and think that what if SOMEONE didn't get into the cracks of his psyche at a pivitol time in his life and brainwash him to the point he let his health decline.

Personally I've never bought into the idea that he was so bullheaded that NOONE could get through, I'm sure someone could have given some effort, especially with him that close to the edge. I'm feeling he was more pliable this way though. I really need to shut and feel the bliss. Zootopia, anyone?

Oh he was bullheaded U can't deny that, but I kind of wonder if he only let those in close to him after "testing" ppl so to speak. If U can pass the mental chess game U get the ticket to Purple Playland. A lot of ppl said he used to test others. I still feel like no matter what he kept himself caged to protect himself at all costs which is really lonely. How about Finding Nemo?

gatorgirl said:

yzarcog99 said:

Is that really how drug overdoses can look? I've never heard of anyone carrying on a conversation and eating, then suddenly checking out like that in mid-conversation--not as part of a drug overdose in which no obvious drug use was taking place (like as in plain sight)... Anyone have any background knowledge about how that works or length of time between taking a med and simply dying?

I said the same thing. Narcan usually wears off very fast (30 minutes or so), much faster than the pain medication would. It also causes some unpleasant side effects. I guess it is possible they continued administration of the Narcan but still, it would not have been a "peaceful" time, I don't think. I was like okay, was that really an OD, then? Has anyone here witnessed the use of Narcan in a patient that needed it?

well, maybe she's minimizing things, who knows. I keep saying that it's hard to be that severe an addict and not slip up.

ACharmed1 said:

morningsong said:

ACharmed1 said: Personally I've never bought into the idea that he was so bullheaded that NOONE could get through, I'm sure someone could have given some effort, especially with him that close to the edge. I'm feeling he was more pliable this way though. I really need to shut and feel the bliss. Zootopia, anyone?

Oh he was bullheaded U can't deny that, but I kind of wonder if he only let those in close to him after "testing" ppl so to speak. If U can pass the mental chess game U get the ticket to Purple Playland. A lot of ppl said he used to test others. I still feel like no matter what he kept himself caged to protect himself at all costs which is really lonely. How about Finding Nemo?

those superstars, they like yes men but they like decency too, that's almost not even possible. Melville said "only the man who says no is free" I'd amend that to say only the man who says no is honest. Alot of what superstars have to deal with they have created with their own egos, from their careers on down to the people around them. There are lots of good people who would tell anyone to fuck off if they think they are in the wrong, if Prince chose not to have those kinds of people around him, Like elvis and michael, some of the blame goes to him. He once told a musician, mighta been bobby z before he hired him "even when I'm wrong I'm right".

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

BlackandRising said:

The comments in this thread in response to what she stated in the article are...borderline crazy. Why didn't she say this, why didn't she say more, whdy did Prince listen to someone so new to his circle, blah blah. You would think that a site dedicated to Prince would have a bit more tact around commenting about people that were close to him. There's much..actually there's an extremem amount if hateration in this thread, lots of conjecture, etc. I'm sure that if Prince could read this he'd be quite dismayed at the pettiness being tossed around because of what people thought Ms Hill left out, if she decided to talk just to get in the paper, if she's being purposely vague, whatever. I mean, as much as everyone here loved Prince, don't you think that she did just sa much and maybe even more given that she was around the man for a long time apparently? To see someone pass out before your eyes, see him come back to life, being told that tried hard not to go back into his body, and then, actually dying. I'm sure that the peopel that knew him are in much more pain than we are. So just because we aern't hearing what we want to hear from people that may higly value and respect their friendship with Prince, doesn't mean they are somehow responsible, or being obtuse, or withholding information for the sake of doing so.

He told her: “‘I had to fight for my life. I remember hearing your voices from afar and saying to myself, ‘Follow the voices, follow the voices, get back in your body, you gotta to do this.’ And he said it was the hardest thing he’d ever done, to get back into his body like that.”

What do yall think someone might be going through, hearing that from Prince, and then his dying a few days later?

That's just it, I wholeheartedly think someone that cared for him-- having heard those words from him-- should and would NOT have left his side for ANY reason until they were damn certain he was well or at the very least, actually receiving the professional help he needed and maybe he wouldn't have died a few days later. Do I feel bad for her and what she might be going through? On some level, yes I do. But absolutely nothing about this enormous clusterfuck that has not stopped growing, sits right with me. If that makes me sound borderline crazy, so be it.

[Edited 6/21/16 22:16pm]

Unless Prince insisted that he wanted to be left alone. Really, all we can do is speculate, though.

this is consistent with that early, very disturbed act of her handing out her CDs where he just died. Hell no, under no circumstances does that insanity pass the smell test.

terrig said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I guarantee you something is about to go down with the criminal investigation and this is Judith's publicist doing damage control. You dont see a man almost die and then fly out to LA and then 'tip" other peeps about what happened. This article is all PR. Nothing else.

THANK YOU.

The events on that plane leading up to Princes death are not a backdrop 'vehicle' for Judiths magical journey, oh and lets promote her musical roots and tour while we discuss Prince ODing on the plane.

WTF

I get madder everytime I read it.

[Edited 6/21/16 21:00pm]

PeteSilas said:

ACharmed1 said:

Oh he was bullheaded U can't deny that, but I kind of wonder if he only let those in close to him after "testing" ppl so to speak. If U can pass the mental chess game U get the ticket to Purple Playland. A lot of ppl said he used to test others. I still feel like no matter what he kept himself caged to protect himself at all costs which is really lonely. How about Finding Nemo?

those superstars, they like yes men but they like decency too, that's almost not even possible. Melville said "only the man who says no is free" I'd amend that to say only the man who says no is honest. Alot of what superstars have to deal with they have created with their own egos, from their careers on down to the people around them. There are lots of good people who would tell anyone to fuck off if they think they are in the wrong, if Prince chose not to have those kinds of people around him, Like elvis and michael, some of the blame goes to him. He once told a musician, mighta been bobby z before he hired him "even when I'm wrong I'm right".

Oil & water. And I co-sign everything else. If there's 1 thing everyone can agree on it's that P was an enigma.

I'd read a while back that Judith was on the plane (in a comment somewhere) & after her FB post I knew she'd speak. I find the whole thing uncomfortable & sensationalised. Let's say there had only been the incident on the plane & he was still here but Judith spoke to the press about that night- do you think they'd still be friends now? I truly don't believe they were as close as she would like us to think.

I get the need for answers but like this? What does anyone gain from knowing he suddenly lost consciousness or what that moment was like? What he was eating? What he said to her? If she needs to talk why not have therapy? If she wants the fans to know why not post here or speak to Dr. Funkenberry (who btw is another person I don't believe was as close to P friendship wise either). Why the media? Because it promotes her too, simple as that.

I guess this is the world we live in - where TMZ can know everything about his death within an hour, the National Enquirer can declare he had AIDS & recreate his death on their front page & where the Daily Mail can claim to have a conversation with a drug dealer who will likely not be turned over to the police. It's a F'D up world & everyone is numb to it because now we expect every salacious detail no matter how irrelevant & it sucks. Prince was a private man - he gave us everything in terms of his artistry, he didn't live his life like a Kardashian. I can't stand how now he's gone it's a free for all, the same will happen with his estate, musicians are always exploited in death. As much as I'm seeking answers too, I will have to go back to just listening to the music because all of this is too much to take, it's bad enough that he's gone.

Please don't all jump on me for this either, it's just my opinion.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I honestly think he had his way of reaching out. Nobody was listening.

LuxLove said:

I'd read a while back that Judith was on the plane (in a comment somewhere) & after her FB post I knew she'd speak. I find the whole thing uncomfortable & sensationalised. Let's say there had only been the incident on the plane & he was still here but Judith spoke to the press about that night- do you think they'd still be friends now? I truly don't believe they were as close as she would like us to think.

I get the need for answers but like this? What does anyone gain from knowing he suddenly lost consciousness or what that moment was like? What he was eating? What he said to her? If she needs to talk why not have therapy? If she wants the fans to know why not post here or speak to Dr. Funkenberry (who btw is another person I don't believe was as close to P friendship wise either). Why the media? Because it promotes her too, simple as that.

I guess this is the world we live in - where TMZ can know everything about his death within an hour, the National Enquirer can declare he had AIDS & recreate his death on their front page & where the Daily Mail can claim to have a conversation with a drug dealer who will likely not be turned over to the police. It's a F'D up world & everyone is numb to it because now we expect every salacious detail no matter how irrelevant & it sucks. Prince was a private man - he gave us everything in terms of his artistry, he didn't live his life like a Kardashian. I can't stand how now he's gone it's a free for all, the same will happen with his estate, musicians are always exploited in death. As much as I'm seeking answers too, I will have to go back to just listening to the music because all of this is too much to take, it's bad enough that he's gone.

Please don't all jump on me for this either, it's just my opinion.

Straight up truth bomb.

LuxLove said:

I don't know, there's still the criminal investigation taking place. I'm sure the FBI, DEA or whoever questioned her thoroughly. When this gets out I'm sure her name will be all over the place. Fact is she was one of the 2 people who were there, this isn't her telling something she heard. It's a pivotal moment leading up to the death of Prince. And if she's the associate that ended getting the ball rolling that caused Dr. Kornfield to be involved then all of that's going to come out. I'm sure her attorney advised her to get in front of it and control the fallout as much as possible.