tmo1965 said:

PaisleyPrint said:

I'm still trying to figure out just who the hell was with P at PP on the morning he was found (didn't feel like reading through 40 pages to possibly find out though). With a HUGE complex like that, I would think the groundskeeper and housekeeper would live on the grounds somewhere 24/7. It's been said that some "assistant" called on the morning of his death but couldn't reach him and decided to rush to PP. People have speculated as to how he/she got in (through those gates), but they probably had a pass code. That being said, they then let the doctor in when he arrived. The only reason I can think of for P wanting to be by himself, KNOWING full well that he would take medication for pain again and that the thing that happened on that plane could (and did) very well happen again, is that the man was ready to GO, plain and simple! I told a friend of mine this back in May before the autopsy results were in. Then Judith came out with this story on June 22, That he could hear their voices and he kept telling himself to follow the voices, that it was the HARDEST thing for him to do (to come back to this side). After that incident in Moline, you would think P would hold a press conference or SOMETHING addressing the "save shot" rumor. But no, he went right ahead and held a CONCERT at PP telling people to wait a few days before you waste any prayers. Come to think of it, how the hell did the docs know to even give him a "save" shot. This was some random hospital in the middle of nowhere. How did the docs "know" P needed a save shot. He was unconcious so he couldn't tell them he had just taken Percocet. Did they search his person to find the bottle? Did Judith or any of the rest of the gang tell them, and if so, I thought nobody EVER saw him take drugs? It COULDN'T have been a blood test cause they didn't have time for no lab stuff (that stuff takes time, P's life was at stake). Nah, P was tired...He was ready

[Edited 8/19/16 11:42am]

According to what has been reported in the press, Prince was at PP alone until he was found. He was dropped off around 8 PM the night before. I don't think there are 24/7 house keepers and grounds keepers there. Andrew Kornfeild (the California doctor's son) took a red eye flight from California to Minneapolis the night before Prince was found. I'm uncertain of whether Kornfield got picked up at the airport and went straight to PP or if he got picked up from a hotel. Nevertheless, either Kirk Johnson or Meron Bekure (Prince's assistant) or both picked up Kornfield and brought him to PP. The other doctor (Dr. Michael Schulenberg), the one who Prince saw the night before he was found, came right after the 1st group arrived, with test results in hand. It is possible to get test results within a few hours if they are sent to a lab or hospital lab that's open 24 hours. See Kara's explanation about the Narcan shot.

Yeah, I saw Kara's explanation about the Narcan shot and that was news to me too. Didn't know hospitals/doctors did that.

PaisleyPrint said:

Kara said:

PaisleyPrint said: Of course everybody knew about the emergency landing, but you wondered why Prince didn't address the save shot story. That's because it wasn't reported until after he died.

Oh, I didn't know that. This whole thing is so confusing and crazy...LMAO! (at MY "blunder" reading so fast and going from one brower to another) But even with that being the case, HE knew what had gone down and should have wanted someone with him, just in case he had another "accidental overdose". That's why I say (more than likely) he was ready to depart from this earth

[Edited 8/19/16 14:04pm]

[Edited 8/19/16 15:42pm]

Just wanted to apologize for the part of this post saying "LMAO" because when I read it back to myself it sounded as if I was making light of P's death, and that was NOT! my intention. I had about six browsers open on my computer and was going from one to the other, doing so many things I misread Kara's post. Sometimes when your typing online and people can't see your face or hear your tone of voice, the impression they get can come off wrong. So again, I apologize if I offended anyone.

PaisleyPrint said:

wavesofbliss said:

remember 20yrs ago, he didn't address his dead son openly. he was never going to address any of it openly.....

Yep, you're right about that. Speaking of his son, I was thinking the other day, I never saw a pic of Mayte pregnant. EVER. Was gonna start a post about it but it's so trivial, I figured why bother. But since we're on the subject of his son, have you?

I'm pretty certain that this image on the Emancipation Cassette is a pregnant Mayte - she is wearing her engagement / wedding ring that Mayte subsequently put up for auction (although I think she did withdraw it before it sold):

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm...Swcl1XPYnh

wisdom7 said:

It's unlikely Judith knew anything until that incident on the plane.

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That is how she made it appear.

But the reality depends on how much of his life mr Prince shared with Judith while she was living at the Park. I am not saying she is lying but that there is some room for her to be hiding stuff.

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I'm sure she learned what was going on once he was given medical treatment to revive him but it doesn't sound like she knew anything until that time. Kirk, however, would have known. If not, they wouldn't have known to give him the Narcan shot. Just my thoughts.

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udo said:

of course they knew. Now who was suppose to stay that night? Probably the last person to see he alive. Prince was having a grave medical emergency, their words

SpinsterSister said:

DollyDagger said:

Hi, Sister I took Effexor XR and had a similar experience when I was ready to quit it. I took it for 10 years and tried three times to get off it and would always cave in because the withdrawals were so incredibly bad!!! This, for a drug they gave me off label for a hormone imbalance!!! I finally just went cold turkey three years ago. I had really bad ringing in my ears and just the worst overall feeling of being unwell. I finally got through it but it was very unpleasant. Being addicted to anything is like being trapped!!!

So, no judgement from me either. We are only human and are doing what we are told will be good for us and fix our problem. Sorry you had to suffer that way.

Thanks DollyDagger! A lot of people think it's only "drugs" that people can grow dependant upon but you and I know that is not the case. I dread the idea of going off, since most doctors believe serotonin syndrome is not real and don't believe in ramping down dosages graduatlly (often many months) or know enough to ramp down using other benzos. Glad you were able to get out from under it, but I know I will need something for the rest of my life and am glad that I am finally over the stigma of using meds. Stigma sucks and Stigma costs too many lives every year. We here all know that, unfortunately.

There is a blog (I'll try to find it) that explained how many people couldn't get the medical professionals to take the withdrawal symptoms seriously so they were sharing all the ways they used to manage the horrible illness they experienced getting off their meds!!!

One thing sticks in my mind - several people said they descreased their dosage by only one or two of the little particles inside a capsule each day for however long it took to completely stop the meds!!!!

If I had it to do over, that is how I would quit that prescription but by the time I found the info, I had already gone cold turkey. If I can dig up the forum that I was following, I would be happy to send it to you in an Orgnote. Serotonin symdrome is a bitch.

Peace and love

Dibblekins said:

PaisleyPrint said:

Yep, you're right about that. Speaking of his son, I was thinking the other day, I never saw a pic of Mayte pregnant. EVER. Was gonna start a post about it but it's so trivial, I figured why bother. But since we're on the subject of his son, have you?

I'm pretty certain that this image on the Emancipation Cassette is a pregnant Mayte - she is wearing her engagement / wedding ring that Mayte subsequently put up for auction (although I think she did withdraw it before it sold):

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm...Swcl1XPYnh

Wow, cool pic. I had never seen it. Didn't know any existed.

udo said:

We keep saying that these days, medical responders are so used to overdoses that they know one when they see one. They lift the eyelid and by looking at the pupil - and by other signs, they know an overdose when they see one.

Then they act. Save shot.

DollyDagger said:

The medical profession has always been dangerously and gravely decades behind needs - with many illnesses.

Doctors are educated and see thins in a certain way which leaves them short-sighted and therefore progress is incredibly slow. They are physical, literal, tangible, proof-needing humans who can't see the big picture - and this leaves them pridefully unwilling to be open-minded to what patients are TELLINGLY them is going on, and what those patients actual needs are.

Doctors think in a black and white world, and that prevents them from even CONSIDERING what a person with actual EXPERIENCE is telling them is going on.

This goes for not only medical doctors but for psychiatrists. Every therapist I've ever worked with is a million times crazier than me.

Patients of all kinds drop into oblivion every day because of this, and deep down inside, doctors do not want to lose their positions by admitting they don't have all the answers.

Always trust God before any human - I don't care how many degrees from Harvard they have.

anangellooksdown said:

DollyDagger said:

There is a blog (I'll try to find it) that explained how many people couldn't get the medical professionals to take the withdrawal symptoms seriously so they were sharing all the ways they used to manage the horrible illness they experienced getting off their meds!!!

One thing sticks in my mind - several people said they descreased their dosage by only one or two of the little particles inside a capsule each day for however long it took to completely stop the meds!!!!

If I had it to do over, that is how I would quit that prescription but by the time I found the info, I had already gone cold turkey. If I can dig up the forum that I was following, I would be happy to send it to you in an Orgnote. Serotonin symdrome is a bitch.

Peace and love

The medical profession has always been dangerously and gravely decades behind needs - with many illnesses. Doctors are educated and see thins in a certain way which leaves them short-sighted and therefore progress is incredibly slow. They are physical, literal, tangible, proof-needing humans who can't see the big picture - and this leaves them pridefully unwilling to be open-minded to what patients are TELLINGLY them is going on, and what those patients actual needs are. Doctors think in a black and white world, and that prevents them from even CONSIDERING what a person with actual EXPERIENCE is telling them is going on. This goes for not only medical doctors but for psychiatrists. Every therapist I've ever worked with is a million times crazier than me. Patients of all kinds drop into oblivion every day because of this, and deep down inside, doctors do not want to lose their positions by admitting they don't have all the answers. Always trust God before any human - I don't care how many degrees from Harvard they have.

There is truth in this. I think not all doctors are black and white...I've found some good ones. But I almost died because I just didn't get on their flowchart about ulcers, and then they gave me a prescription dosage of ibuprofen and the ulcer blew. Long story short, I ended up septic and in kidney failure and spent 5 weeks in the hospital (3 in ICU).

I did have an allergist who caught on that my experience with allergents did not match what he was telling me. We talked about it at length and came to an understanding about my treatment that made us both comfortable. That was so nice.

Listening and open-mindedness should go both ways, but so often it doesn't.