PurpleMusic07 said:

cindyt said:

I'm not trying to start anything but the last person I saw have a seizure and I was sitting right in front of them and turned around and their eyes were fixated...that is exactly what happened. and then they fell on the ground and had a seizure.

This. This is what I was thinking as I read it. And the fact that it said when they landed he was awake so it seems was given the Narcan while awake and aware. Idk that u just come to on your own from an OD but you do from a seizure. So perhaps he was questioned privately by the medical And given the Narcan precaution .. so in that scenario Judith and Kirk still don't know [Edited 6/21/16 18:45pm]

P was carried off the plane, unconscious. He was given the "save shot" and then talked in the hospital.

nursev said:

makeadifference said:

I see what you're saying, possibly when it comes to performing .. but I'm talking about the day-to-day interactions at PP. I just find it hard to believe he was moving "swiftly" in elevated shoes when he didn't have to .. while in so much pain. Just doesn't add up. Those who were close to him would have noticed him slowing down or maybe hear him mention his pain.

Not really...remember this is a man who hid the death of his child too. Prince only let you see or know just what you needed to and nothing more. People function with pain daily.

absolutely, as we all learned later, the death of his son was a tragedy which scarred him, at the time, people were speculating that something was wrong with him because his public appearances made it appear that nothing was out of the ordinary.

AnnaStesia10 said:

Kirk did one tv interview early on that I know of where he said he never saw Prince take anything and he packed his bags daily so he said if he was taking something he would have seen it. So he was backing up Prince that he was not abusing anything.

That wasn't Kirk. That was Romeo, the bodyguard who took vacation right after the plane incident.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/16/health/prince-bodyguard-speaks/

AnnaStesia10 said:

babynoz said:

Not really, it's just that it has been discussed at length in other threads and if I recall correctly it was explained that it is routine for paramedics to give narcan to unresponsive people, regardless.

Oh sorry, I did not know that Narcan was given without knowing what the person took. I would think it could harm someone that did not have an opiate in their system. So if that is true thank you for clearing up.

The way it was explained is that if there is no opiod present than it's pretty harmless but if there is an opiod present narcan will remove it and the patient goes into withdrawal.

babynoz said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

That it's fucked up. I'm not saying I think she had anything to do with what happened to either of them. I'm just saying to have been working with the both of them right before they suddenly died is a really FUCKED UP coincidence to have.

Thanks for clarifying....I was getting spooked.

My bad. Some people can see remarkable concurrences of events or circumstances and not bat an eye. I'm just not one of those people.

PeteSilas said:

PeteSilas said:

nursev said:

Not really...remember this is a man who hid the death of his child too. Prince only let you see or know just what you needed to and nothing more. People function with pain daily.

absolutely, as we all learned later, the death of his son was a tragedy which scarred him, at the time, people were speculating that something was wrong with him because his public appearances made it appear that nothing was out of the ordinary.

Yep I remember it and he hid it well too until he couldnt anymore. Same here...both instances just tragic though.

laytonian said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

Kirk did one tv interview early on that I know of where he said he never saw Prince take anything and he packed his bags daily so he said if he was taking something he would have seen it. So he was backing up Prince that he was not abusing anything.

That wasn't Kirk, it was Chris Gaither.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...rd-speaks/

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

cindyt said:

I'm not trying to start anything but the last person I saw have a seizure and I was sitting right in front of them and turned around and their eyes were fixated...that is exactly what happened. and then they fell on the ground and had a seizure.

thanks for adding this. i wonder what other conditions have this reaction. i recall one interview about an angel healing prince's childhood epilepsy, i wonder if it had ever returned.

and that is what the person I saw have the seizure had. Epilepsy. I can see the way her eyes looked right now, and it was years ago..absolutely fixated and not moving...talking one minute and the next second...staring straight ahead and then on the ground.

If we as a society have come to the point where Narcan is given to everyone who is unconscious 'just in case' then this country has really gone to hell in a handbasket. I don't believe that to be the case. Now, they may have looked at his eyes and if his pupils were pinned then yes, give narcan, but I've not heard of paramedics just giving it to anyone who is unconscious. I work in a hospital and my nephew is a paramedic and I've not heard that before. As for seizures there are different types, my son has had seizures, yes the eyes can go 'fixed' but he doesn't go unconscious. His eyes remain open and depending on the severity of the seizure his whole body can jerk, just one side, and once just his thumb twiched...but he never passed out (until after when he sleeps for a whole day). Seizures are very tiring on people.

[Edited 6/21/16 19:01pm]

PeteSilas said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

babynoz said:

Thanks for clarifying....I was getting spooked.

My bad. Some people can see remarkable concurrences of events or circumstances and not bat an eye. I'm just not one of those people.

I'm having my own pain management issues this week so not really very alert I guess.

rogifan said:

laytonian said:

It's documented that Kirk referred P to Kirk's family doctor to help with withdrawal symptoms.

Kirk was closer than anyone else for years; how could he not know more?

Documented by who? I don't doubt that Kirk knew more than anyone else but he's not talking so where is this stuff coming from and how do we know it's legit?

Schulenberger was Kirk Johnson's doctor.

That's the link.

Two stories:

http://www.startribune.com/prince-saw-longtime-experienced-family-care-physician/378980721/

This one specifically mentions Kirk's referral to Dr S.

http://www.startribune.com/prince-s-death-key-players-in-investigation-and-aftermath/379669081/

[Edited 6/21/16 19:01pm]

Oh my god, poor Judith. That had to have been the most horrifying thing, to have him just...

Man, I honestly really hope this girl has people with her to support her. She has to be having a rough time right now.

laytonian said:

CROWNS1 said:

If we as a society have come to the point where Narcan is given to everyone who is unconscious 'just in case' then this country has really gone to hell in a handbasket. I don't believe that to be the case. Now, they may have looked at his eyes and if his pupils were pinned then yes, give narcan, but I've not heard of paramedics just giving it to anyone who is unconscious. I work in a hospital and my nephew is a paramedic and I've not heard that before. As for seizures there are different types, my son has had seizures, yes the eyes can go 'fixed' but he doesn't go unconscious. His eyes remain open and depending on the severity of the seizure his whole body can jerk, just one side, and once just his thumb twiched...but he never passed out (until after when he sleeps for a whole day). Seizures are very tiring on people.

[Edited 6/21/16 19:01pm]

well, it's what's been said in the media since Prince died. here in seattle, police have saved several lives of people they come across who are unconscious with some kind of narcan spray. the country is having a serious problem with not just opioids but all kinds of drugs.

Blakbear said:

babynoz said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

My bad. Some people can see remarkable concurrences of events or circumstances and not bat an eye. I'm just not one of those people.

I'm having my own pain management issues this week so not really very alert I guess.

I was referring to other people. I do sincerely hope you feel better though.

laytonian said:

PeteSilas said:

well, it's what's been said in the media since Prince died. here in seattle, police have saved several lives of people they come across who are unconscious with some kind of narcan spray. the country is having a serious problem with not just opioids but all kinds of drugs.

That is just really frightening.

I still say and until I hear something different that the problem was Dr. Schulenberg. Ms. Hill said she had never seen him like this, and he had starting seeing Schulenberg around the 7th I think? I believe that is when he started trying to get off the meds and that's when the problems started. Should have never tried to do it at home with the help of a doctor that doesn't specialize in addiction therapy. ONe of the biggest reasons for overdose is trying to detox in an uncontrolled setting. I believe Prince would still be here today if Schulenberg didn't participate in a do it yourself drug detox. IMO

purplethunder3121 said:

Finally, we get some real answers. Thank you for that, Ms. Hill.

I also agree. Thank you Ms Hill. Your love and respect for Prince shines through in your story.

rogifan said:

rogifan said:

laytonian said:

Schulenberger was Kirk Johnson's doctor.

That's the link.

Two stories:

http://www.startribune.com/prince-saw-longtime-experienced-family-care-physician/378980721/

This one specifically mentions Kirk's referral to Dr S.

http://www.startribune.com/prince-s-death-key-players-in-investigation-and-aftermath/379669081/

[Edited 6/21/16 19:01pm]

But neither Kirk nor this doctor have spoken publicly have they? These stories mean nothing to me unless they have an on the record quote from a named source.

Kirk talked to the police. They wrote it into an affidavit used to get the search warrants.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/arts/music/princes-doctor-arrived-with-test-results-only-to-find-him-dead.html

Kirk is not going to make public statements to satisfy curiosities; I'm sure his defense attorney is advising him well.

CROWNS1 said:

PeteSilas said:

well, it's what's been said in the media since Prince died. here in seattle, police have saved several lives of people they come across who are unconscious with some kind of narcan spray. the country is having a serious problem with not just opioids but all kinds of drugs.

That is just really frightening.

I still say and until I hear something different that the problem was Dr. Schulenberg. Ms. Hill said she had never seen him like this, and he had starting seeing Schulenberg around the 7th I think? I believe that is when he started trying to get off the meds and that's when the problems started. Should have never tried to do it at home with the help of a doctor that doesn't specialize in addiction therapy. ONe of the biggest reasons for overdose is trying to detox in an uncontrolled setting. I believe Prince would still be here today if Schulenberg didn't participate in a do it yourself drug detox. IMO

no telling and I'm still not sure of anything, drugs or something else. but i will say this, Prince, the classic control freak would have had a hard time in a controlled environment that wasn't his. He'd been controlling or rather, overcontrolling things for a long time.

laytonian said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

Kirk did one tv interview early on that I know of where he said he never saw Prince take anything and he packed his bags daily so he said if he was taking something he would have seen it. So he was backing up Prince that he was not abusing anything.

That wasn't Kirk. That was Romeo, the bodyguard who took vacation right after the plane incident.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/16/health/prince-bodyguard-speaks/

Yup you are right thanks for info.

laytonian said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

Kirk did one tv interview early on that I know of where he said he never saw Prince take anything and he packed his bags daily so he said if he was taking something he would have seen it. So he was backing up Prince that he was not abusing anything.

That wasn't Kirk. That was Romeo, the bodyguard who took vacation right after the plane incident.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/16/health/prince-bodyguard-speaks/

Yup you are right thanks for info.

Thanks for the link.

AnnaStesia10 said:

Well Im glad she finally said something. I know the experience must have been hard for her so Im thankful that she let his fans know some of what happened to him.