makeadifference said:

nursev said:

He hid it cause he was a perfectionist....the man was all about his craft. His fans wouldve rather he retired though. At least he'd still be here. Can you imagine the amount of pain he was in while performing? Breaks my heart.

I see what you're saying, possibly when it comes to performing .. but I'm talking about the day-to-day interactions at PP. I just find it hard to believe he was moving "swiftly" in elevated shoes when he didn't have to .. while in so much pain. Just doesn't add up. Those who were close to him would have noticed him slowing down or maybe hear him mention his pain.

Not really...remember this is a man who hid the death of his child too. Prince only let you see or know just what you needed to and nothing more. People function with pain daily.

babynoz said:

It could also be that his condition was episodic, meaning he had flare ups but was otherwise able to function. He wasn't necessarily medicating for months or years on end. That could be why the dose of meds he took killed him after the narcan shot.

That could explain why his situation wasn't obvious.

true

Dolphinking23 said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/arts/music/prince-death-judith-hill-plane.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

Also, who told them about it being an opiod overdose if there was only two people on the plane and Prince was overdosing and unable to speak? Doesn't that seem to point to it being known that he was taking opiods? The medics would not give a Narcon shot as a guess.

That was so heartbreaking to read, but I am so glad she was there with him as well as his friend in his time of distress. Also, it's good to know something about what happened that night. So heartbreaking all around. Also, it is good to know that he realized he needed help, and was trying to get the help he desperately needed.

[Edited 6/21/16 18:34pm]

Beyond heartbreaking. I knew she was having a hard time with his passing, but now I understand a little more just how difficult it is for her particularly. That last paragraph about him fighting to come back to those voices... if only he knew how much he needed those voices on the night of April 20th to bring him back and get him help.

babynoz said:

What are y'all saying about the coincidence?

this would probably make me feel like i've had enough of working with superstars. she has worked with many others though, Stevie Wonder, etc. the past few years i've felt very concerned for prince's safety and projected some suspicion onto a lot of people he has worked with. but one thing that comforts me is that he was part of a congregation and some in his inner circle are very prayerful people, so hopefully their prayers helped protect him and everything happened for good reasons. sorry i know how that will sound to some.

disch said:

nursev said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz: I thought the same thing like damn, does she feel like the dark angel being in their lives and around them close to their passing? Of two of our most profound musical icon's of our time. I hate admitting it too I thought about it. What a mind f...

ya, a little bizarre, lisa marie said she felt like that when mj died, that the universe was trying to teach her something.

yzarcog99 said:

Dolphinking23 said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/arts/music/prince-death-judith-hill-plane.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

Also, who told them about it being an opiod overdose if there was only two people on the plane and Prince was overdosing and unable to speak? Doesn't that seem to point to it being known that he was taking opiods? The medics would not give a Narcon shot as a guess.

This point you made is being overlooked. Yes if Prince all of a sudden was talking to Judith on the plane and then he passed out, and she then said Kirk and her informed the pilot to land. Then he was given Narcan before going to the hospital. That is very telling that either Kirk or Judith, or both of them, knew exactly what he was taking. Very interesting..

I really want to respond to some of the more outlandish comments here, but I'll suck it up and just say thank you to Judith for being there for him. I can't imagine how scary the incident must have been for her, and how much pain she must be in following what subsequently happened. My heart goes out to her.

nursev said:

I'm not trying to start anything but the last person I saw have a seizure and I was sitting right in front of them and turned around and their eyes were fixated...that is exactly what happened. and then they fell on the ground and had a seizure.

Sometimes the story is in what is not said. She said she didn't know he was having this problem and didn't know what was wrong on the plane, yet paramedics knew he needed a narcan shot...My guess is the other person on the plane is the one who knew and has known for awhile. Just a guess. It's sad, opiate addiction is horrific.

AnnaStesia10 said:

yzarcog99 said:

Also, who told them about it being an opiod overdose if there was only two people on the plane and Prince was overdosing and unable to speak? Doesn't that seem to point to it being known that he was taking opiods? The medics would not give a Narcon shot as a guess.

This point you made is being overlooked. Yes if Prince all of a sudden was talking to Judith on the plane and then he passed out, and she then said Kirk and her informed the pilot to land. Then he was given Narcan before going to the hospital. That is very telling that either Kirk or Judith, or both of them, knew exactly what he was taking. Very interesting..

Not really, it's just that it has been discussed at length in other threads and if I recall correctly it was explained that it is routine for paramedics to give narcan to unresponsive people, regardless.

yzarcog99 said:

Dolphinking23 said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/arts/music/prince-death-judith-hill-plane.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

Also, who told them about it being an opiod overdose if there was only two people on the plane and Prince was overdosing and unable to speak? Doesn't that seem to point to it being known that he was taking opiods? The medics would not give a Narcon shot as a guess.

Kirk knew what had happened; that's why they knew to administer the Narcan. Remember, Kirk had referred P to his own doctor (the April 7th appointment in place of the scheduled Atlanta concert).

Kirk has retained a criminal defense attorney. He knows a lot.

As for the pain: I believe P got relief via the pain pills but it took more and more over time. That's how one becomes dependent and then addicted.

It's not a problem of mental weakness; one's brain is the sensor.

I'm happy Judith was there for him; that's comforting. I just wish he'd opened up more.

He trusted no one, apparently.

CROWNS1 said:

Sometimes the story is in what is not said. She said she didn't know he was having this problem and didn't know what was wrong on the plane, yet paramedics knew he needed a narcan shot...My guess is the other person on the plane is the one who knew and has known for awhile. Just a guess. It's sad, opiate addiction is horrific.

somebody told them, and it wasn't prince, so you have to be right.

yzarcog99 said:

Dolphinking23 said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/arts/music/prince-death-judith-hill-plane.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

Is that really how drug overdoses can look? I've never heard of anyone carrying on a conversation and eating, then suddenly checking out like that in mid-conversation--not as part of a drug overdose in which no obvious drug use was taking place (like as in plain sight)... Anyone have any background knowledge about how that works or length of time between taking a med and simply dying?

I only knew one heroin addict and he was constantly nodding in and out of consciousness, he couldn't hide anything. He was a meatcutter at the store I worked at, finally, he nodded off at the saw and cut a finger off. i just don't see how prince could be that serious an addict and not be at least showing the same signs this guy was.

makeadifference said:

babynoz said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

This point you made is being overlooked. Yes if Prince all of a sudden was talking to Judith on the plane and then he passed out, and she then said Kirk and her informed the pilot to land. Then he was given Narcan before going to the hospital. That is very telling that either Kirk or Judith, or both of them, knew exactly what he was taking. Very interesting..

Not really, it's just that it has been discussed at length in other threads and if I recall correctly it was explained that it is routine for paramedics to give narcan to unresponsive people, regardless.

Oh sorry, I did not know that Narcan was given without knowing what the person took. I would think it could harm someone that did not have an opiate in their system. So if that is true thank you for clearing up.

AnnaStesia10 said:

I don't know, sort of on the fence about the whole thing. Not doubting the medical parts but, I just don't know. Call it a feeling, just my opinion and I guess that's what this thread is about?

rogifan said:

nursev said:

Not really...remember this is a man who hid the death of his child too. Prince only let you see or know just what you needed to and nothing more. People function with pain daily.

Its's not surprising to me that only a very few knew of pain or painkillers. That's certainly not something Prince was going to telegraph to the world.

indeed. we knew what he let us know. Sad cuz if he had let people know earlier maybe help wouldve been there sooner

laytonian said:

PeteSilas said:

nursev said:

ya, a little bizarre, lisa marie said she felt like that when mj died, that the universe was trying to teach her something.

truly bizarre

cindyt said:

cindyt said:

I'm not trying to start anything but the last person I saw have a seizure and I was sitting right in front of them and turned around and their eyes were fixated...that is exactly what happened. and then they fell on the ground and had a seizure.

thanks for adding this. i wonder what other conditions have this reaction. i recall one interview about an angel healing prince's childhood epilepsy, i wonder if it had ever returned.

rogifan said:

laytonian said:

Kirk knew what had happened; that's why they knew to administer the Narcan. Remember, Kirk had referred P to his own doctor (the April 7th appointment in place of the scheduled Atlanta concert).

Kirk has retained a criminal defense attorney. He knows a lot.

As for the pain: I believe P got relief via the pain pills but it took more and more over time. That's how one becomes dependent and then addicted.

It's not a problem of mental weakness; one's brain is the sensor.

I'm happy Judith was there for him; that's comforting. I just wish he'd opened up more.

He trusted no one, apparently.

How do we know any of this since Kirk hasn't said one thing since P's death?

It's documented that Kirk referred P to Kirk's family doctor to help with withdrawal symptoms.

Kirk was closer than anyone else for years; how could he not know more?

fuck, that read put a damper on my day.

Kirk did one tv interview early on that I know of where he said he never saw Prince take anything and he packed his bags daily so he said if he was taking something he would have seen it. So he was backing up Prince that he was not abusing anything.

jumanji2016 said:

The last sentence of this really hurts...

He told her: “ ‘I had to fight for my life. I remember hearing your voices from afar and saying to myself, ‘Follow the voices, follow the voices, get back in your body, you gotta to do this.’ And he said it was the hardest thing he’d ever done, to get back into his body like that.”

[Edited 6/21/16 17:56pm]

so if he fought to get back in his body that hard 6 days before, you going to tell me he turned right around and took the same thing 6 days later? wow, no way.