SHe talks about going back to the old days of reccording in analog. Is she even old enough to remember that?

StephanieThePisces said:

FUNKYNESS said:

THis is a bullshit sell out. I am sure that Prince wouldnt want her talking to the NYT being one of the only people on that plane with him. I havent heard Kirk talking about it as I suspect he is a true friend of Prince. I never liked this broad and now I have confirmation.

I think Kirk isn't talking for a few more reasons beyond just being a 'true friend of Prince'. JMO

Like what? Anything substantial or just baseless speculation? Either way - he isnt selling out.

FUNKYNESS said:

StephanieThePisces said:

I think Kirk isn't talking for a few more reasons beyond just being a 'true friend of Prince'. JMO

Like what? Anything substantial or just baseless speculation? Either way - he isnt selling out.

No, not baseless speculation at all.

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There's an active investigation currently going on and Kirk has retained lawyers who, if they're any good at all, will have instructed him to say nothing and keep quiet. That's why.

StephanieThePisces said:

StephanieThePisces said:

batman89 said:

The question that lingers with me after reading the article is...Was it indeed Prince's time to pass there on the plane? For him to have passed so (seemingly) peacefully in the presence of his 2 friends after 2 brilliant shows that night may have been his blessing. Considering his comment of how it was the hardest thing he ever had to do to make the transition back to his body, (recalling his tweet "Eye Am Transformed")...could it be that was simply his time to make his Way Back Home? Being he ultimately passed such a short time later...alone, I wish for him that he could have been with his friends at that moment.

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It's my understanding that Prince, himself, did not write that "I am transformed" tweet -- it was a RETWEET he posted from a fan who'd attended one of the last shows and was in reference TO that show. Prince was merely RE-tweeting what someone else wrote.

-- I have been saying all along that their may not be a investigation if he had a Rx. People using Fentanyl with an Rx have died. I also wonder if the hosptial found out he had drugs in his system how come he was not placed in a 72 hold or the cops were not called? If he did not have one then they are looking for who got it for him and they may never found that out. Remember they never found out where Dr. Conrad Murray got the Profroal from he got arrested because he was administering the meds and on the scence when Mike died.

Somebody like Prince does not go out in the streets and buys drugs off the corner. They may never find out where he got it and the investigation will end. If he had other health issues besides joint pain that made it nessercary for him to take the Fentanyl I wish people around him would just say so. We are getting some info from Judith that already shows that TMZ was lying their face off about Prince demanding a private room and leaving the hospital in a huff. I am sure many other things in the media are lies as well. I understand that the family wants to respect Prince's privacy but sometimes it is better to put the story out there to beat the media at their own game.

rogifan said:

StephanieThePisces said:

I think Kirk isn't talking for a few more reasons beyond just being a 'true friend of Prince'. JMO

And why does Kirk need to talk? If he was closer than anybody to Prince who knows how hard this hit him. He's under no obligation to go blabbing to the media.

He shouldnt talk. I wouldnt if I was on that plane and my brother went through that. What good would it do the memory of Prince? What good would it do anyone other than the exploiting media outlet paying for an interview? Hill is still trying to have a career and needs this to promote herself. Someone said it earlier on this thread - NYT doesnt come for some backup singer that most people dont know regardless of who she worked with unless there is something they can sell.

For those if us who truly loved Prince and understood is lifelong protection of his privacy, you have to consider if he would want anyone on that plane talking to the media.

AnnaStesia10 said:

FUNKYNESS said:

rogifan said:

StephanieThePisces said:

I think Kirk isn't talking for a few more reasons beyond just being a 'true friend of Prince'. JMO

And why does Kirk need to talk? If he was closer than anybody to Prince who knows how hard this hit him. He's under no obligation to go blabbing to the media.

You're misunderstanding me. I never said Kirk was under any obligation to say anything to anyone. I don't think anybody should bashed for saying - or for not saying - anything in relation to their personal relationship with Prince or what happened.

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I merely was pointing out that there ARE other reasons for Kirk's silence, legal reasons, and that his silence can't necessarily be 100% attributed to any reason in particular - not at this point anyway, and not with so many issues and contributing factors playing into the situation.

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FUNKYNESS is free to have whatever opinion he wishes about Judith Hill and what she said in that article, or about why she's speaking up now - but trying to hold Kirk's silence up as proof that he's a 'true friend' and that his silence is purely due to his choice (and perhaps if there were no legal involvement in this situation he still might choose to say nothing, I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE THOUGH AND NEITHER DOES ANYBODY ELSE KNOW THAT FOR SURE) in an attempt to shame or critisize Judith isn't fair, and is actually rather a manipulative tactic in this silly bickering over who's being the 'best friend to Prince' and who isn't.

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Simply put, i only brought up another reason as to why Kirk isn't talking so people reading this forum get a more fairly rounded understanding of the facts. I certainly wasn't using my comment as as way to say he SHOULD be talking, or condemning him for not.

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StephanieThePisces said:

blue22 said:

Dammit, I was so trying not to log in. Had to take a break from this forum as so many hateful unhelpful people posting really nasty stuff.

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But this whole issue is ridiculous.

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These women sound like petty jealous bishes. The fact that Judith was even with him on that plane, just her, him and Kirk and whatever staff, that is enough to get them jealous. Also she is saying she was close to him. These part-time women Kiran and Demarius (whatever), they seem distant. Judith seemed to be around him and closer, more so than even Sheila towards the end of his life.

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Jealousy is a sad sad fact. And these women are truly showing it. Right now they are playing the one-upmanship game. 'I'm respecting his privacy, therefore I'm better than you'. Yet Kiran drops hints saying there is more to the story. Judith told her side of what happened that night. If Kiran wasn't there, how the feck does she know theres more to the story? Attention seeking.

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So childish, and as the Godfather would say 'so unnecessary'.

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Respect his privacy?

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Also, I don't believe that this forum has anything to do with whether people talk or not. Its a gossip site. Prince's family don't seem to take any notice of what is speculated here. (my speculation).They are clearly doing their own thing regardless.

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Added Edit, to say that at the end of it all, Prince is to blame. We are in charge of our own lives and if we choose certain people to have around us, people who are too young or inexperienced so that we always have the upper hand, people who we can control, people who want to get famous, people that are cute but nothing else, people you pay, then you get what you get. And unfortunately for all of us, he is no longer here because of his own choices.

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Hard facts.

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AMEN,AMEN,AMEN......Those 2 on twitter remind me of little children that say 'you're not my friend'HELL she saw it first hand.Those are her emotions she has more right then ANYONE to speak out.OH HE IS PRIVATE .Yes and it killed him.Also it seems to me that lies were put out early to cover up the truth.You got prince FAM.bUT,THEN YOU GOT PRINCE CRAZIES.Who knows how many people called down to that hospital and accused them of killing the man for not insisting he stay.Or calling walgreens and saying why did you give him those meds.When they knew the truth.But,now that judith has said something they want to drag her gtfooh.THEY HAD OVER 2 MONTHS.THEN THEY SAY OH SHE'S ON TOUR THATS WHY SHE'S TALKING.(REALLY)!!!??? Even if it were true People need to tell the damn truth.SAVE A LIFE,STOP TROLLING,STOP THE FAKE PR,PRINCES BRO SAID HE HAD A PROB 4 25 YEARS.Finally if judith is on here i just want to say thank you.I feel for judith because i think she unlike others was TOTALLY in the dark about his addiction.When she handed out boxes she was prob still in the dark about everything.But,now that the story has come full circle she's mad,hurt,sad,....mj admitted he had an addiction so even though judy was sad she didn't know about prince it seems.Guys what if he would of died on that plane????????

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More (the truth) will be revealed....Prince doesnt seem to be the type to not want help. I agree with what others have said that K. Johnson probably involved ...with both the start/beginning and the ending. I was wondering if the investigation was even still going on. Kornfeld also did pain management as well so appears P was more than willing. Cant imagine after years of clean living, P would want to be addicted. I am glad someone spoke out...wouldnt surprise me now that others may come forward...someone always has to go first to start the ball rolling. Thank you Judith for speaking out.

rogifan said:

StephanieThePisces said:

You're misunderstanding me. I never said Kirk was under any obligation to say anything to anyone. I don't think anybody should bashed for saying - or for not saying - anything in relation to their personal relationship with Prince or what happened.

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I merely was pointing out that there ARE other reasons for Kirk's silence, legal reasons, and that his silence can't necessarily be 100% attributed to any reason in particular - not at this point anyway, and not with so many issues and contributing factors playing into the situation.

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FUNKYNESS is free to have whatever opinion he wishes about Judith Hill and what she said in that article, or about why she's speaking up now - but trying to hold Kirk's silence up as proof that he's a 'true friend' and that his silence is purely due to his choice (and perhaps if there were no legal involvement in this situation he still might choose to say nothing, I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE THOUGH AND NEITHER DOES ANYBODY ELSE KNOW THAT FOR SURE) in an attempt to shame or critisize Judith isn't fair, and is actually rather a manipulative tactic in this silly bickering over who's being the 'best friend to Prince' and who isn't.

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Simply put, i only brought up another reason as to why Kirk isn't talking so people reading this forum get a more fairly rounded understanding of the facts. I certainly wasn't using my comment as as way to say he SHOULD be talking, or condemning him for not.

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Totally agree with you. But I still would prefer no one said anything. Let the investigation run its course and if the family wants to release details that's their decision. If they choose to say nothing we should all accept it. My guess is it's what Prince would have wanted.

It's all so very complicated because there are so many people involved and everyone on this planet is different in how they process and express their pain and grief. So it's difficult - or it should be, imo - to judge or critisize or attempt to ascribe motivations to another person about how they handle their own personal pain and grief.

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I understand your desire that no one say anything. But I also get how many need to know more to help themselves understand and come to terms and start healing. But with so many people of differing mindsets and viewpoints and beliefs, there's no way everyone will get what they personally need to heal the best way for them, individually.

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So I do agree completely with you about if the family or if friends choose to say nothing, we need to accept that even if it leaves one feeling frustrated. Just as if someone, like Judith, speaks out (and I honestly don't see anything "bad" in what she shared. Prince always wanted to help people better themselves. I know how he felt about privacy when he was alive but in regards to this opioid dependence and his death, I like to think he'd be OK with the public hearing a few more details about what he experienced because maybe that will help other people either not ever travel the road he did or it'll help them seek help to get off a med that can cause such devestation. So what Judith said about what happened, to me doesn't come across as intrusive to Prince or not respecting him because I like to think he's looking down at all this and wanting something GOOD and POSITIVE to result from all of it...and open communication about the ugly parts of life is what helps educate and promotes understanding and healing).

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Sorry to ramble. But again, I do get where you're coming from and I just hope that whatever happens, people can treat each other with compassion and understanding.

FlyOnTheWall said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

That's just it, I wholeheartedly think someone that cared for him-- having heard those words from him-- should and would NOT have left his side for ANY reason until they were damn certain he was well or at the very least, actually receiving the professional help he needed and maybe he wouldn't have died a few days later. Do I feel bad for her and what she might be going through? On some level, yes I do. But absolutely nothing about this enormous clusterfuck that has not stopped growing, sits right with me. If that makes me sound borderline crazy, so be it.

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Unless Prince insisted that he wanted to be left alone. Really, all we can do is speculate, though.

Maybe that's true but I can't help but think and feel that if you can talk a person into "getting back in their body" following a near death experience, you can talk them into anything, (especially letting you be there for them and their well being, while they are waiting for proper assistance) if you put your heart and a little bit of backbone into it. But yes that is mere speculation on my part.

mrwiggles said:

I am shocked as to how little media attention the investigation is getting. I'm glad about it but shocked by it. I mean, he had to be getting the chyt from somebody.

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i think that's being done on purpose.

FUNKYNESS said:

THis is a bullshit sell out. I am sure that Prince wouldnt want her talking to the NYT being one of the only people on that plane with him. I havent heard Kirk talking about it as I suspect he is a true friend of Prince. I never liked this broad and now I have confirmation.

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Pardon the incredulity, but you SERIOUSLY think that's why? And not at all connected to his high probability of having helped Prince procure drugs?

AA1slot said:

More (the truth) will be revealed....Prince doesnt seem to be the type to not want help. I agree with what others have said that K. Johnson probably involved ...with both the start/beginning and the ending. I was wondering if the investigation was even still going on. Kornfeld also did pain management as well so appears P was more than willing. Cant imagine after years of clean living, P would want to be addicted. I am glad someone spoke out...wouldnt surprise me now that others may come forward...someone always has to go first to start the ball rolling. Thank you Judith for speaking out.

NO ONE wants to be addicted. No One.

Having been a member of a 12 step recovery group for over 25 years. I agree no one wants to be addicted.

StephanieThePisces said:

FUNKYNESS said:

Like what? Anything substantial or just baseless speculation? Either way - he isnt selling out.

No, not baseless speculation at all.

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There's an active investigation currently going on and Kirk has retained lawyers who, if they're any good at all, will have instructed him to say nothing and keep quiet. That's why.

1. I have been saying all along: release the full autopsy report.

2. I don't think anyone should be saying anything until the investigation is completed. If people around Prince feel the need to lawyer up, then lawyer up.

3. I believe several people (on the payroll) have known the truth of his "self-medication" for years and, as with many celebrities, they have enabled their employer's addiction. Also, there are probably doctors in that group who have known and of course kept silent.

4. Remember when Britney Spears went off the rails and she was put in a hospital on a psych hold? A 5150? Why didn't anyone push to get Prince into treatment ASAP after the plane incident? I don't care that he was an adult or their employer or their patient: he was a danger to himself and needed to be treated.

AA1slot said:

Having been a member of a 12 step recovery group for over 25 years. I agree no one wants to be addicted.

Just wanted to tell you congrats on your over 25 years.Maybe you can help fams of prince that are going through what he was going through.

babynoz said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

My bad. Some people can see remarkable concurrences of events or circumstances and not bat an eye. I'm just not one of those people.

I'm having my own pain management issues this week so not really very alert I guess.

i hope you feel better soon.....

CROWNS1 said:

1Sasha said:

XxAxX said:

mrwiggles said:

CROWNS1 said:

NO ONE wants to be addicted. No One.

I returned from the Lovesexy gig and told my dad some in the crowd were bewildered when P started his prosletizing and testimonial segment towards the end of the show. His response: oh once they get full of drugs they'll start throwing out all kinds of foolishness from the stage (referring to Prince). I spent the next few minutes attempting to convince him P wasn't like that, was clean living etc. Almost 30 years later. I'm reminded of the sad irony of that exchange.

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He might have been clean living back then. I cannot understand how anyone can think he worked at the pace he did for almost 40 years and was stoned the whole time. He had scars on his legs and we saw pics of him in a scooter I think we should all except that he had medical issues that put him on this road. It makes him human and he was seeing the doctor on an outpatient basis for withdrawal so he was trying to get help. Big difference from a junkie in the gutter.

laurarichardson said:

mrwiggles said:

CROWNS1 said: I returned from the Lovesexy gig and told my dad some in the crowd were bewildered when P started his prosletizing and testimonial segment towards the end of the show. His response: oh once they get full of drugs they'll start throwing out all kinds of foolishness from the stage (referring to Prince). I spent the next few minutes attempting to convince him P wasn't like that, was clean living etc. Almost 30 years later. I'm reminded of the sad irony of that exchange.

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He might have been clean living back then. I cannot understand how anyone can think he worked at the pace he did for almost 40 years and was stoned the whole time. He had scars on his legs and we saw pics of him in a scooter I think we should all except that he had medical issues that put him on this road. It makes him human and he was seeing the doctor on an outpatient basis for withdrawal so he was trying to get help. Big difference from a junkie in the gutter.