& at the end of the day I'm still a Hardcore Fam / Enthusiast of P's music (lyrics, not so much) ...

SquirrelMeat said:

Dreamer2 said:

The HonestMan ..... tells it like it is..... Prince has spoken ....if you don't like move on simple!

So, you agree with Prince's comments then?

I agree with his right to make statements of any kind.

Why is it that orgers can be as demeaning, rude and offensive as they want when posting then hide behind the 5th amendment but Prince has to have all of his comments pre-approved by the 'moral majority'.

HonestMan13 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

So, you agree with Prince's comments then?

I agree with his right to make statements of any kind.

Why is it that orgers can be as demeaning, rude and offensive as they want when posting then hide behind the 5th amendment but Prince has to have all of his comments pre-approved by the 'moral majority'.

The Fifth Amendment? What the heck are you talking about? Are we on trial here?

My question for you is, why do you feel the need to defend Prince? You know that a lot of people on the org don't like his behavior. Is he a personal friend of yours? If not, why do you care? He certainly doesn't.

Well this thread has run its course.

HonestMan13 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

So, you agree with Prince's comments then?

I agree with his right to make statements of any kind.

Why is it that orgers can be as demeaning, rude and offensive as they want when posting then hide behind the 5th amendment but Prince has to have all of his comments pre-approved by the 'moral majority'.

Well...this is...something, lol

Obviously like most, I a "few" problems on the things he talked about:

For one, the religion thing:

I am not one to blast anyone for whomever or whatever they choose to worship, pray to, or believe in. I just don't dig the whole "one religion" thing. In truth, no one knows what they are talking about when it comes to that stuff, everyone simply just makes up their mind or find whatever caters to them. Prince has shown throughout the years that he has simply never found that one thing. Statements like that just show that he's fumbling about, a man still searching.

The internet thing:

I feel he's just mad that he didn't figure out a security way around the whole issue. If he wants to get mad at the digital generation for bootlegging his stuff, he should probably get mad at the ANALOG tapes and copies that started the digital bootlegging in the first place, some of which he leaked himself (don't be silly). Life early should have told him, much like everyone else, if you don't want something out there...don't put it out there. Keep that shit underground until you want it out there.

The whole thing about music being digital and all that, I can "sort of" agree with. He calls humans analog...I guess. We are kinda just humans, who created analog (in terms of electronics). If he is talking in the metaphysical sense, in some ways, we also have to be digital, but that is not the case. He is talking about the music.

You gotta think about this: Here is a guy who, while working in the analog environment, used the Linn LM-1 drum machine. This machine IS NOT analog. It is a true digital machine. So...if the backbeat of at least 60% of your older music is digital...you don't have much of a leg to stand on.

If you want analog, why isn't he using tape? Why isn't he using the old Moogs and Oberheim's like back in the day? Being a sound guy, I don't care how it gets recorded, if it was digital from jump, it's still hybridly digital in the end. So, that was a bunk point he made.

Not making an album because of piracy:

If that's the case, his career should have ended around 1988.

Also...Prince not making an album for a while might be a GOOD thing.

One person earlier stated that he should be focusing on remastering older music, which I agree...and of course a person responded with the highly cynical "Do you think he's really gonna do that?" which brings me to the most important thing:

HE'S MADE Us ALL CYNICAL PESSIMISTIC PEOPLE

But you can't really say he did it all. It's just in some people, I guess.

But I am not too worried...

He's got the fam saying that he won't do it...and you know he doesn't do what you all say.

So KEEP IT UP! The next album will show up quicker than any of you want it.

But in the meantime...there's a lot of Prince stuff out there, whether he likes it or not...and he can't stop us all.

electricberet said:

HonestMan13 said:

I agree with his right to make statements of any kind.

Why is it that orgers can be as demeaning, rude and offensive as they want when posting then hide behind the 5th amendment but Prince has to have all of his comments pre-approved by the 'moral majority'.

The Fifth Amendment? What the heck are you talking about? Are we on trial here?

My question for you is, why do you feel the need to defend Prince? You know that a lot of people on the org don't like his behavior. Is he a personal friend of yours? If not, why do you care? He certainly doesn't.

Thinking of the wrong thing while typing.

As for 'defending Prince' I'm not defending his opinions but his right to make them known. Why do people feel the need to call him out on everything he says? As you asked 'is he a personal friend'? Why are there 6 threads dedicated to this interview? Why do you care? If you know he certainly doesn't!

Suncali said:

HonestMan13 said:

I agree with his right to make statements of any kind.

Why is it that orgers can be as demeaning, rude and offensive as they want when posting then hide behind the 5th amendment but Prince has to have all of his comments pre-approved by the 'moral majority'.

You meant the 1st Amendment right? But he is not in America where we can pretty much say whatever we want. But even the 1st Amendment doesn't give you unlimited freedom of speech.

Yeah. Thank you. As long as he's a citizen of America he's entitled to that right is my only point. The context of his statement are another matter entirely.

HonestMan13 said:

electricberet said:

The Fifth Amendment? What the heck are you talking about? Are we on trial here?

My question for you is, why do you feel the need to defend Prince? You know that a lot of people on the org don't like his behavior. Is he a personal friend of yours? If not, why do you care? He certainly doesn't.

Thinking of the wrong thing while typing.

As for 'defending Prince' I'm not defending his opinions but his right to make them known. Why do people feel the need to call him out on everything he says? As you asked 'is he a personal friend'? Why are there 6 threads dedicated to this interview? Why do you care? If you know he certainly doesn't!

Do you not see the hypocrisy in the fact that you are defending Prince's right for free speech, but not those of the fans who are expressing their view?

You seem capable of requesting that Prince be left to say what he wants, nasty as it come. So why can't you let negative fan opinion slide too?

HonestMan13 said:

As for 'defending Prince' I'm not defending his opinions but his right to make them known. Why do people feel the need to call him out on everything he says? As you asked 'is he a personal friend'? Why are there 6 threads dedicated to this interview? Why do you care? If you know he certainly doesn't!

I don't think anyone's challenged his right to hold those opinions, or even to voice them. People have simply been challenging the opinions themselves. Nothing wrong with that, as I see it.

So CD's aren't digital? WTF is that?

2elijah said:

muleFunk said:

http://www.drfunkenberry.com/

Another version of the same interview by a different paper via the Doc.

I'll post it for you..

2 Sides 2 Every Story When It Comes 2 Prince

www.drfunkenberry.com

So, Prince is getting ready to embark on a European tour that actually kicks off with dates in Canada this weekend. For the European tour, Prince did 3 interviews we are told. 2 of them at the same time. 1 was with the Guardian and Le Parisian both interviewing him at the same time.

The Guardian had quoted Prince...or mis-quoted....as it did not go into detail of what his answer or answers were. Since Prince does not allow recording devices, this does some times happen. We are running what the Le Parisian wrote as it is more detailed and has more length to Prince's answers to the questions he was asked;

We almost fainted when he heard on the phone: "It's for tomorrow. Get ready. "A few days before his unique concert at Stade de France on June 30, Prince is visiting Paris. And he wanted to talk. The incredible news - we have not slept all night - will be confirmed: "Be there at 19.00 hours.(7pm)

Not allowed to record anything. If he likes you, you have time. "Go to a selected restaurant near the Champs-Elysees. Feverish, we are led into an empty room upstairs. An hour passes. Suddenly, Prince appears. Alone, without bodyguards or entourage. Smiling, all in black, a silver chain around his neck, he tends a firm handshake, apologizes for being late, asks "How are you? "And" What's there fun to do tonight in Paris? "Sits on the bench, ordering a green tea," Go, discussions. "

You played at the Zenith, Bercy, the Parc des Princes. Stade de France ... is the missing one from your list of conquests?

Prince. The thing is, I have a group of incredible quality. It's like a basketball all star team: each one is a champion in their field. When we play together, there is such an overflow of energy it takes at least a stadium/stage to greet it.

What will the show look like on 30th June?

"There will be many surprises. What I can tell you is that by playing in New York and Los Angeles it resulted in a very controlled show. This stage is at the end."

We know that you rehearse a lot. How do you work with your group?
"I love being a tyrant (smile). But with love. I ask from them a very high level of excellence, but they are also perfectionists."

What do you remember of the 1980's?

"Michael (Editor's note: Jackson) and I appeared at a time when there was nothing. On MTV, there was nothing. People dressed like they were going to the supermarket. We were the exceptions."

Are you nostalgic for that time?

"Sometimes yes. Sometimes I see the shirts/clothes that I was wearing. But musically, no. I play more guitar, I sing better, I am a better arranger."

Are you working on a new album?
"I no longer records songs. I do not want to record as long as the crisis in the music industry will not be resolved. No one earns money. I'll go to the White House to discuss with the government the issues on copyright. It's the Wild West. Everything must be clean."

But you had been one of the first artists to use the Internet ...
"Yes, but at that time, we made money."

You very early on went to war against the record companies ...
"A record company boss told me, straight in the eye: "But, Prince, you do still believe that our goal is to make you earn money? "I was accused of distributing my album" Planet Earth "with an English newspaper, but it allowed me to reach 2 million people. I fought for control over my records. From there, no one dictated to me what I should do."

Is it true that you have hundreds of songs in your files?
"That's true. I listen to some of them with my band and they give me feedback on them."

What do you do between concerts/shows/gigs?
"I study. I learn. I like to talk to people. In all the countries I go to, I meet the people. For example I'm going back to/returning to Morocco. I really like the Muslim culture. I don't understand what people have against veiled women/women in bhurkhas. How can you stop people dressing how/the way they want to?"

The people you meet are they very intimidated by you?
"No, I am very easy to access. Here, for example, do you feel uncomfortable with me? No! Celebrity means nothing in reality, we are all the same."

When you are in Paris, what do you do?
"I go out at night. During the day I can not. The days when I could still walk the streets without being harassed by the paparazzi are long gone."

It seems/would appear you don't like your songs being covered?
"First of all it's lazy. Then/secondly its as if you've erased/ruined/wiped out the original version. This only happens only in music. Can you imagine if everybody did their own version of the Harry Potter film or book? Do you want to hear somebody else singing 'Kiss'? Not me."

You don't have any wrinkles (you haven't aged a bit), what's your secret?

"Time is a spiritual thing (you're as young as you feel). God doesn't count the passing years. He doesn't have any date of birth in the Bible. I don't celebrate my birthdays any more. If you stay active, if you learn new things (keep learning), if you travel, then you stay young."

2 interviews. Done at the same time. Yet, one has more fuller answers and more attention to detail. Very interesting. Was there an agenda? I rather Prince talk about music and performances all day long. It's like watching Michael Jordan. I care about his skills on the court. Could care less that he loves McDonalds and wears Hanes underwear. Calvin Kleins are softer Michael, just for the record.

So what do you all think happened here? I am glad there was some clarification and not just sound bites.-Dr.FB

[Edited 6/24/11 16:51pm]

I hope this was the last post on this thread (but know it won't be). If this doesn't clear up the confusion then nothing will.

I, for one, will not be posting or discussing this interview anymore. peace.

SquirrelMeat said:

HonestMan13 said:

Thinking of the wrong thing while typing.

As for 'defending Prince' I'm not defending his opinions but his right to make them known. Why do people feel the need to call him out on everything he says? As you asked 'is he a personal friend'? Why are there 6 threads dedicated to this interview? Why do you care? If you know he certainly doesn't!

Do you not see the hypocrisy in the fact that you are defending Prince's right for free speech, but not those of the fans who are expressing their view?

You seem capable of requesting that Prince be left to say what he wants, nasty as it come. So why can't you let negative fan opinion slide too?

What I'm criticizing is the childish name calling towards Prince and at each other on this site. The negative fan opinion is fine but what I asked originally was 'what impact does this current interview have on how you would deal with Prince from now on?' Oddly enough not one person said they'll stop supporting him by boycotting his muisc or shows. So in other words a large portion of this 30 some odd page thread is just negative ranting by entitled 'fans' with no actual consequence for the alleged 'offender'. If I'm moved to call you out of your name(pick your curse word) then I'm also going to tell you why I chose that word to address you with and let you know that I don't associate with people of that nature. I stopped supporting R.Kelly because he's a pedophile and pisses on kids. He did something and I thought it was offensive. Another hit song or killer tour down the road won't change that fact. If Prince is the major 'asshole' and 'idiot' as the Orgers seem to believe then where are the who have flat out stopped dealing with Prince? Not the 'I'm waiting around for the remasters' crowd that would sell their own principles/integrity for a pristine version of 'Moonbeam Levels'.

HonestMan13 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Do you not see the hypocrisy in the fact that you are defending Prince's right for free speech, but not those of the fans who are expressing their view?

You seem capable of requesting that Prince be left to say what he wants, nasty as it come. So why can't you let negative fan opinion slide too?

What I'm criticizing is the childish name calling towards Prince and at each other on this site. The negative fan opinion is fine but what I asked originally was 'what impact does this current interview have on how you would deal with Prince from now on?' Oddly enough not one person said they'll stop supporting him by boycotting his muisc or shows. So in other words a large portion of this 30 some odd page thread is just negative ranting by entitled 'fans' with no actual consequence for the alleged 'offender'. If I'm moved to call you out of your name(pick your curse word) then I'm also going to tell you why I chose that word to address you with and let you know that I don't associate with people of that nature. I stopped supporting R.Kelly because he's a pedophile and pisses on kids. He did something and I thought it was offensive. Another hit song or killer tour down the road won't change that fact. If Prince is the major 'asshole' and 'idiot' as the Orgers seem to believe then where are the who have flat out stopped dealing with Prince? Not the 'I'm waiting around for the remasters' crowd that would sell their own principles/integrity for a pristine version of 'Moonbeam Levels'.

Negative internet ranting is not without consequences if it helps make a story viral. Fox News has picked up on this story now, as you'll see in another thread. Prince doesn't listen to us, but if this story starts to go viral in mainstream media outlets maybe he will take notice and have to address it somehow.

HonestMan13 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Do you not see the hypocrisy in the fact that you are defending Prince's right for free speech, but not those of the fans who are expressing their view?

You seem capable of requesting that Prince be left to say what he wants, nasty as it come. So why can't you let negative fan opinion slide too?

What I'm criticizing is the childish name calling towards Prince and at each other on this site. The negative fan opinion is fine but what I asked originally was 'what impact does this current interview have on how you would deal with Prince from now on?' Oddly enough not one person said they'll stop supporting him by boycotting his muisc or shows. So in other words a large portion of this 30 some odd page thread is just negative ranting by entitled 'fans' with no actual consequence for the alleged 'offender'. If I'm moved to call you out of your name(pick your curse word) then I'm also going to tell you why I chose that word to address you with and let you know that I don't associate with people of that nature. I stopped supporting R.Kelly because he's a pedophile and pisses on kids. He did something and I thought it was offensive. Another hit song or killer tour down the road won't change that fact. If Prince is the major 'asshole' and 'idiot' as the Orgers seem to believe then where are the who have flat out stopped dealing with Prince? Not the 'I'm waiting around for the remasters' crowd that would sell their own principles/integrity for a pristine version of 'Moonbeam Levels'.

P.S. Do you realize that every time you reply, this thread goes back to the top of the list, thus eliciting more responses, making it longer, and getting more attention? Thanks for helping the cause of embarrassing Prince.

I think people are reading far too much into what Prince has allegedly said here. No one really knows the sentiments Prince was trying to express here so I feel it's a bit presumptuous to criticise him especially those who judge him with such heavy condemnation . . . Very pompous. (Bracing oneself for backlash)

XNY said:

2elijah said:

[Edited 6/24/11 16:51pm]

I hope this was the last post on this thread (but know it won't be). If this doesn't clear up the confusion then nothing will.

I, for one, will not be posting or discussing this interview anymore. peace.

I don't think there was confusion so much as aversion towards what he said in the Guardian interview. Ironically, the 'clarification' actually creates confusion, as his original statement defended there being no choice for the burqa-clad woman, but the drfunkenberry statement rests on the assumption of her free choice to wear it. (See Reply #772)

Perhaps that simply reflects his own confusion on this matter. '2 sides to every story with Prince', right enough!

electricberet said:

HonestMan13 said:

What I'm criticizing is the childish name calling towards Prince and at each other on this site. The negative fan opinion is fine but what I asked originally was 'what impact does this current interview have on how you would deal with Prince from now on?' Oddly enough not one person said they'll stop supporting him by boycotting his muisc or shows. So in other words a large portion of this 30 some odd page thread is just negative ranting by entitled 'fans' with no actual consequence for the alleged 'offender'. If I'm moved to call you out of your name(pick your curse word) then I'm also going to tell you why I chose that word to address you with and let you know that I don't associate with people of that nature. I stopped supporting R.Kelly because he's a pedophile and pisses on kids. He did something and I thought it was offensive. Another hit song or killer tour down the road won't change that fact. If Prince is the major 'asshole' and 'idiot' as the Orgers seem to believe then where are the who have flat out stopped dealing with Prince? Not the 'I'm waiting around for the remasters' crowd that would sell their own principles/integrity for a pristine version of 'Moonbeam Levels'.

P.S. Do you realize that every time you reply, this thread goes back to the top of the list, thus eliciting more responses, making it longer, and getting more attention? Thanks for helping the cause of embarrassing Prince.

At least you're admitting that's what your cause is.

NewSystem said:

I think people are reading far too much into what Prince has allegedly said here. No one really knows the sentiments Prince was trying to express here so I feel it's a bit presumptuous to criticise him especially those who judge him with such heavy condemnation . . . Very pompous. (Bracing oneself for backlash)

Thanks for keeping the thread going!

HonestMan13 said:

electricberet said:

P.S. Do you realize that every time you reply, this thread goes back to the top of the list, thus eliciting more responses, making it longer, and getting more attention? Thanks for helping the cause of embarrassing Prince.

At least you're admitting that's what your cause is.

I'm also aiming to get to 1,000 posts, a milestone I will hit when I reply to your next post, which is sure to come soon...

I think some of this is sexual repression. I know JW's that were dis - fellowship for having sex. We all know he was or is a very sexual person with a Scorpio rising. It is hard for a guy like me seeing women walking down the street with hardly nothing on and I get it on the regular. Let a lone a star, that has to look at all these women trying to get his attention around the world that is trying to practice abstinence. So maybe the idea of a woman being covered at all times has a special appeal to him. Idk.

Timmy84 said:

Well this thread has run its course.

Yeah. it really has all been said; ain't really anything else left to add.

The word is spreading... http://www.elmundo.es/elm...index.html

purplethunder3121 said:

Timmy84 said:

Well this thread has run its course.

Yeah. it really has all been said; ain't really anything else left to add.

But I don't think the thread will die until Prince does some other ridiculous thing to distract us from this subject.

electricberet said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Yeah. it really has all been said; ain't really anything else left to add.

But I don't think the thread will die until Prince does some other ridiculous thing to distract us from this subject.

Indeed!

Didnt see if it was on here earlier but here is the author of the "MIS-QUOTED" Guardian making a comment on Dr. Funk's page.

Prince said it. Both writers remembered it differently. Now he's trying to spin it.

GET A REAL MANAGER and LET WRITERS TAKE NOTES!

Fuck! How hard can it be Prince? This isn't bad publicity=good publicity. This just says you are A MORON!!

Hi. I did the Guardian interview and had no sinister agenda at all. In fact I almost left out the line about burqas because I thought it might take too much attention from the rest of the piece (which it did), although this French Q&A also misrepresents that part of the conversation because the “How can you stop people dressing” bit was in response to a follow-up question about the French burqa ban, not about muslim countries.

Inevitably with two people taking longhand notes (one of whom is doing an interview in his second language) there will be differences. Some of the French version is definitely wrong – it was clearly “loving tyrant” not “I love being a tyrant”, for example. Equally, I can’t say for sure that I didn’t mishear or mistranscribe a few words. I wish I could have recorded it and checked every word myself. But nothing was deliberately fabricated. Please don’t assume that there has to be some weird agenda behind everything.

salaciousV said:

Didnt see if it was on here earlier but here is the author of the "MIS-QUOTED" Guardian making a comment on Dr. Funk's page.

Prince said it. Both writers remembered it differently. Now he's trying to spin it.

GET A REAL MANAGER and LET WRITERS TAKE NOTES!

Fuck! How hard can it be Prince? This isn't bad publicity=good publicity. This just says you are A MORON!!

Dorian Lynskey
June 27th, 2011 - 07:31

Hi. I did the Guardian interview and had no sinister agenda at all. In fact I almost left out the line about burqas because I thought it might take too much attention from the rest of the piece (which it did), although this French Q&A also misrepresents that part of the conversation because the “How can you stop people dressing” bit was in response to a follow-up question about the French burqa ban, not about muslim countries.

Inevitably with two people taking longhand notes (one of whom is doing an interview in his second language) there will be differences. Some of the French version is definitely wrong – it was clearly “loving tyrant” not “I love being a tyrant”, for example. Equally, I can’t say for sure that I didn’t mishear or mistranscribe a few words. I wish I could have recorded it and checked every word myself. But nothing was deliberately fabricated. Please don’t assume that there has to be some weird agenda behind everything.

An example of what happens when things get fucked up.

Timmy84 said:

salaciousV said:

Didnt see if it was on here earlier but here is the author of the "MIS-QUOTED" Guardian making a comment on Dr. Funk's page.

Prince said it. Both writers remembered it differently. Now he's trying to spin it.

GET A REAL MANAGER and LET WRITERS TAKE NOTES!

Fuck! How hard can it be Prince? This isn't bad publicity=good publicity. This just says you are A MORON!!

Dorian Lynskey
June 27th, 2011 - 07:31

Hi. I did the Guardian interview and had no sinister agenda at all. In fact I almost left out the line about burqas because I thought it might take too much attention from the rest of the piece (which it did), although this French Q&A also misrepresents that part of the conversation because the “How can you stop people dressing” bit was in response to a follow-up question about the French burqa ban, not about muslim countries.

Inevitably with two people taking longhand notes (one of whom is doing an interview in his second language) there will be differences. Some of the French version is definitely wrong – it was clearly “loving tyrant” not “I love being a tyrant”, for example. Equally, I can’t say for sure that I didn’t mishear or mistranscribe a few words. I wish I could have recorded it and checked every word myself. But nothing was deliberately fabricated. Please don’t assume that there has to be some weird agenda behind everything.

An example of what happens when things get fucked up.

Timmy84 said:

salaciousV said:

Didnt see if it was on here earlier but here is the author of the "MIS-QUOTED" Guardian making a comment on Dr. Funk's page.

Prince said it. Both writers remembered it differently. Now he's trying to spin it.

GET A REAL MANAGER and LET WRITERS TAKE NOTES!

Fuck! How hard can it be Prince? This isn't bad publicity=good publicity. This just says you are A MORON!!

Dorian Lynskey
June 27th, 2011 - 07:31

Hi. I did the Guardian interview and had no sinister agenda at all. In fact I almost left out the line about burqas because I thought it might take too much attention from the rest of the piece (which it did), although this French Q&A also misrepresents that part of the conversation because the “How can you stop people dressing” bit was in response to a follow-up question about the French burqa ban, not about muslim countries.

Inevitably with two people taking longhand notes (one of whom is doing an interview in his second language) there will be differences. Some of the French version is definitely wrong – it was clearly “loving tyrant” not “I love being a tyrant”, for example. Equally, I can’t say for sure that I didn’t mishear or mistranscribe a few words. I wish I could have recorded it and checked every word myself. But nothing was deliberately fabricated. Please don’t assume that there has to be some weird agenda behind everything.

An example of what happens when things get fucked up.

I am sure the Burqas part was not taken that much out of context. A statement like that would really stand out, this person resents putting it in, that's all, I don't think he fucked up really. At the end of the day folks care too much about how pop stars view religion and politics or whatever.