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Reply #210 posted 02/06/11 8:13pm

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Spinlight said:

electricberet said:

I suppose it's possible that Prince, Erykah Badu, and the Goss-Michael Foundation were all blissfully unaware of the problems that were emerging with regard to this event until the day it was supposed to happen. But does that seem likely? I'm not in the music business, but I would be reluctant to buy a used car from Chris Arnold based on the little I've seen of him, let alone enter into a multi-million dollar financial arrangement that would risk damaging my reputation if it went badly. Prince has been in the music business for about as long as I've been alive, and I'm no spring chicken. Did he think this was a sure bet? If not, couldn't he have foreseen how things would look for him if the promises being made turned out to be wildly inflated? Wouldn't he have insisted on being paid up front? As for the charitable foundation, why didn't they do some due diligence on this company that magically sprouted up overnight in their own backyard?

I'm not saying Prince is the bad guy here and the organizers are the good guys. I have zero sympathy for the organizers and I completely blame them for spreading misinformation. But I don't think the news media are completely off base in framing this as a story about Prince. He attached his name to this project to the first place. If he is completely blameless, then he can tell us his side of the story in his next song.

Good post. I agree 100%.

And let us not forget that Prince is the guy who went into business with a company to create his 3121 perfume solely because their name was "Revelations" or something, without looking any deeper than that. And I believe they went to court afterward?

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Reply #211 posted 02/06/11 8:14pm

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2elijah said:

They are because he was a guest performer, not the event organizer. He apparently attached his name as a guest performer as well as Erykah. It's obvious both performers had nothing to do with announcing or arranging the event. Blame the event organizers. They arranged this whole event. That's the bottom line, and the event organizers are the ones who will obviously be refunding the money to those who purchased the tickets, not the guest performers.

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I am happy to blame the event organizers as long as they do in fact refund my money. We'll find out soon enough.

I hope Chris and the members of the River Group do in fact give you a refund. It looks like Chris Arnold is getting heat for the tacky way in which he did business with all, according to that video by that news station. Even the Goss Foundation stated they were assured "up to the minute" by the River Group, that the show would go on, even when members of the Goss Foundation was leary and concerned about the River Group's lack of funds to pull off this event. Basically, with all the problems they were having with low ticket sales and bad weather, Chris basically should have cancelled the event.

[Edited 2/6/11 20:15pm]

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Reply #212 posted 02/06/11 8:14pm

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HonestMan13 said:

What exactly do you expect Prince to do about any of this? It's not his responsibility to micro-manage the people managing the event. Was he supposed to supervise the sound and light tech as well? If that's the case then why not just fire everyone else involved and call it 'Welcome 2 America - Dallas'. Prince isn't all powerful and he's obviously not the control freak everyone accuses him of being all the time. The event was poorly handled and there was nothing Prince could've done about it. He wasn't the chairperson of the charity or the promoter. He was a guest performer at a charity event, nothing more or less.

What do I expect Prince to do about this? Well, to quote the man himself: 3 minus 3 = absolutely nothing. He agreed to perform for a certain fee and the fee obviously was not paid. There are gestures that he COULD make if he wanted to minimize the public relations fallout, like invite the scholarship recipients to perform or come back to Dallas sometime for a regular concert, but I don't expect him to do those things. My point was that the news media have every right to characterize this as a story about Prince, and the scholarship recipients have every right to be mad at Prince. He allowed his name to be used for this project and he could have smelled a rat a long time before the rest of us did. I love Prince's music and, if he comes back to Dallas, I will try to see him if I can. But I don't see why we should blame the media for the way they've reported this.

Not one mention of Erykah Badu having to make gestures of any kind. So is she not expected to do anything to minimize the public relations fallout. The media are simply using Prince's name to sell papers and get airtime. Since that's what they do it's not unexpected but it's inaccurate to make this a story about Prince. So if people feel the need to be mad at someone there's a long list it seems and Prince may be on it but he's not on it alone.

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Reply #213 posted 02/06/11 8:16pm

sweething

electricberet said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

LOL! That makes me wonder...

Which came first?

The...at least one major superbowl sponsor OR the reason...that...at least one major superbowl sponsor...would have ever considered it? Being that the promoter supposedly was inexperienced and severely...lacking in competency. hmmm

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This is a good point. The deal would have been a nonstarter had it not been for Prince's involvement. Just like in Hollywood where the attachment of a major star to a script can make it a hot prospect even if the actual script is mediocre.

I haven't read anything that specifies Prince's "involvement" as you state as a catalyst.

How could you imply such?

I said there was a major superbowl sponsor listed.

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Reply #214 posted 02/06/11 8:20pm

2elijah

HonestMan13 said:

electricberet said:

What do I expect Prince to do about this? Well, to quote the man himself: 3 minus 3 = absolutely nothing. He agreed to perform for a certain fee and the fee obviously was not paid. There are gestures that he COULD make if he wanted to minimize the public relations fallout, like invite the scholarship recipients to perform or come back to Dallas sometime for a regular concert, but I don't expect him to do those things. My point was that the news media have every right to characterize this as a story about Prince, and the scholarship recipients have every right to be mad at Prince. He allowed his name to be used for this project and he could have smelled a rat a long time before the rest of us did. I love Prince's music and, if he comes back to Dallas, I will try to see him if I can. But I don't see why we should blame the media for the way they've reported this.

Not one mention of Erykah Badu having to make gestures of any kind. So is she not expected to do anything to minimize the public relations fallout. The media are simply using Prince's name to sell papers and get airtime. Since that's what they do it's not unexpected but it's inaccurate to make this a story about Prince. So if people feel the need to be mad at someone there's a long list it seems and Prince may be on it but he's not on it alone.

(blue part) I agree. Controversy sells. (no pun intended) and by making that cancellation look like it was all Prince's fault, the media sources took advantage of his name to get their readers/viewers' attention and to sell a story. I wonder if the same media sources would have given that event, this much attention had the event happened, and Prince and Erykah performed.

[Edited 2/6/11 20:21pm]

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Reply #215 posted 02/06/11 8:20pm

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HonestMan13 said:

electricberet said:

What do I expect Prince to do about this? Well, to quote the man himself: 3 minus 3 = absolutely nothing. He agreed to perform for a certain fee and the fee obviously was not paid. There are gestures that he COULD make if he wanted to minimize the public relations fallout, like invite the scholarship recipients to perform or come back to Dallas sometime for a regular concert, but I don't expect him to do those things. My point was that the news media have every right to characterize this as a story about Prince, and the scholarship recipients have every right to be mad at Prince. He allowed his name to be used for this project and he could have smelled a rat a long time before the rest of us did. I love Prince's music and, if he comes back to Dallas, I will try to see him if I can. But I don't see why we should blame the media for the way they've reported this.

Not one mention of Erykah Badu having to make gestures of any kind. So is she not expected to do anything to minimize the public relations fallout. The media are simply using Prince's name to sell papers and get airtime. Since that's what they do it's not unexpected but it's inaccurate to make this a story about Prince. So if people feel the need to be mad at someone there's a long list it seems and Prince may be on it but he's not on it alone.

Do you think anyone paid $1,500 or more to go to that concert to see Erykah Badu? I didn't even know who she was until she made the news recently for stripping naked in downtown Dallas while making a music video. She may be a wonderful soul singer but she wasn't the draw for this incredibly expensive concert. If you don't believe me, just go to the website, which is tellingly named www.princedallas.com, and you will see a big photo of Prince with his guitar.

I hope that Erykah does do something for the scholarship recipients as someone suggested. That would be very nice of her. And I agree that, like Prince, she could have smelled a rat here. Perhaps even more so because she is from Dallas. But the concert would not have been a possibility without Prince.

[Edited 2/6/11 20:21pm]

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Reply #216 posted 02/06/11 8:24pm

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2elijah said:

HonestMan13 said:

Not one mention of Erykah Badu having to make gestures of any kind. So is she not expected to do anything to minimize the public relations fallout. The media are simply using Prince's name to sell papers and get airtime. Since that's what they do it's not unexpected but it's inaccurate to make this a story about Prince. So if people feel the need to be mad at someone there's a long list it seems and Prince may be on it but he's not on it alone.

(blue part) I agree. Controversy sells. (no pun intended) and by making that cancellation look like it was all Prince's fault, the media sources took advantage of his name to get their readers/viewers' attention and to sell a story. I wonder if the same media sources would have given that event, this much attention had the event happened, and Prince and Erykah performed.

[Edited 2/6/11 20:21pm]

I don't think the media made this "look like it was all Prince's fault." If anything, WFAA pointed the finger at the concert organizers, as did the Dallas Observer. Should they have edited the story to omit any references to Prince?

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Reply #217 posted 02/06/11 8:28pm

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electricberet said:

HonestMan13 said:

Not one mention of Erykah Badu having to make gestures of any kind. So is she not expected to do anything to minimize the public relations fallout. The media are simply using Prince's name to sell papers and get airtime. Since that's what they do it's not unexpected but it's inaccurate to make this a story about Prince. So if people feel the need to be mad at someone there's a long list it seems and Prince may be on it but he's not on it alone.

Do you think anyone paid $1,500 or more to go to that concert to see Erykah Badu? I didn't even know who she was until she made the news recently for stripping naked in downtown Dallas while making a music video. She may be a wonderful soul singer but she wasn't the draw for this incredibly expensive concert. If you don't believe me, just go to the website, which is tellingly named www.princedallas.com, and you will see a big photo of Prince with his guitar.

I hope that Erykah does do something for the scholarship recipients as someone suggested. That would be very nice of her. And I agree that, like Prince, she could have smelled a rat here. Perhaps even more so because she is from Dallas. But the concert would not have been a possibility without Prince.

[Edited 2/6/11 20:21pm]

Looks as if there were several snafus at this super bowl. Some 800 fans got kicked out of their seats and missed the kick off.

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Reply #218 posted 02/06/11 8:30pm

Spinlight

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2elijah said:

HonestMan13 said:

Not one mention of Erykah Badu having to make gestures of any kind. So is she not expected to do anything to minimize the public relations fallout. The media are simply using Prince's name to sell papers and get airtime. Since that's what they do it's not unexpected but it's inaccurate to make this a story about Prince. So if people feel the need to be mad at someone there's a long list it seems and Prince may be on it but he's not on it alone.

(blue part) I agree. Controversy sells. (no pun intended) and by making that cancellation look like it was all Prince's fault, the media sources took advantage of his name to get their readers/viewers' attention and to sell a story. I wonder if the same media sources would have given that event, this much attention had the event happened, and Prince and Erykah performed.

[Edited 2/6/11 20:21pm]

Name me a news organization that makes money off making a story about prince? lmao

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Reply #219 posted 02/06/11 8:32pm

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Spinlight said:

2elijah said:

(blue part) I agree. Controversy sells. (no pun intended) and by making that cancellation look like it was all Prince's fault, the media sources took advantage of his name to get their readers/viewers' attention and to sell a story. I wonder if the same media sources would have given that event, this much attention had the event happened, and Prince and Erykah performed.

[Edited 2/6/11 20:21pm]

Name me a news organization that makes money off making a story about prince? lmao

Just to put this in perspective, here's some correspondence from the Dallas Morning News comment section:

Das Kapital

10:18 AM on February 6, 2011

On behalf of most of America -- ESPECIALLY anyone who's under 40 yrs old -- allow me to ask the obvious question:

Who the bleep is "Prince"?

WEEZIE

10:50 AM on February 6, 2011

Prince was a very hot property in the 1980s. Then, through some bad business decisions, he screwed up his career. Now he's a has been with the ego of a headliner. Look up "Little Red Corvette" or "1999" on YouTube.

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Reply #220 posted 02/06/11 8:38pm

Spinlight

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electricberet said:

Spinlight said:

Name me a news organization that makes money off making a story about prince? lmao

Just to put this in perspective, here's some correspondence from the Dallas Morning News comment section:

Das Kapital

10:18 AM on February 6, 2011

On behalf of most of America -- ESPECIALLY anyone who's under 40 yrs old -- allow me to ask the obvious question:

Who the bleep is "Prince"?

WEEZIE

10:50 AM on February 6, 2011

Prince was a very hot property in the 1980s. Then, through some bad business decisions, he screwed up his career. Now he's a has been with the ego of a headliner. Look up "Little Red Corvette" or "1999" on YouTube.

That is a damn shame.

Prince really should just hire professionals. He is not a good businessman and sucks at managing himself.

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Reply #221 posted 02/06/11 8:46pm

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sweething said:

electricberet said:

This is a good point. The deal would have been a nonstarter had it not been for Prince's involvement. Just like in Hollywood where the attachment of a major star to a script can make it a hot prospect even if the actual script is mediocre.

I haven't read anything that specifies Prince's "involvement" as you state as a catalyst.

How could you imply such?

I said there was a major superbowl sponsor listed.

What I mean is that Prince had to be the key to this deal from the beginning. Imagine the following hypothetical conversation between Chris Arnold and someone from Bud Light:

CA: "I'm organizing a concert. Do you want to be a sponsor?"

BL: "Who are you and what company do you represent?"

CA: "I'm a local radio personality. You may remember my exciting sports reporting on Mavericks games. I represent a new company that has just been formed (or is about to be formed)."

BL: "So what exactly is your plan for this concert?"

CA: "We're going to charge a minimum of $1,500 for general admission tickets, and from $12,000 to $25,000 for VIP seats."

BL: "Who do you have lined up to perform?"

CA: "Erykah Badu. You know, the woman who stripped naked in downtown Dallas. Plus some DJs."

Which of the following do you think would be the most likely response?

BL: "That sounds great! It's sure to be a success. Sign us up!"

BL: "You must be joking. Call us back if you get a real star."

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Reply #222 posted 02/06/11 8:48pm

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P.S. Let me emphasize that I have nothing against Erykah Badu and I don't mean to diminish her accomplishments. But this event was taken seriously only because it involved Prince. If he had backed out, the deal would have collapsed. The same isn't true for Erykah.

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Reply #223 posted 02/06/11 8:49pm

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sweething said:

electricberet said:

This is a good point. The deal would have been a nonstarter had it not been for Prince's involvement. Just like in Hollywood where the attachment of a major star to a script can make it a hot prospect even if the actual script is mediocre.

I haven't read anything that specifies Prince's "involvement" as you state as a catalyst.

How could you imply such?

I said there was a major superbowl sponsor listed.

If as you said..."there was a major superbowl sponsor listed"...meaning that it's good NAME (which I did see you post in your earlier comment before you edited it) was attached in any way to this epic PR cluster fuck. There HAD to be a damn good reason...for them to have ever considered investing...the kind of money that was needed to pull it off.

With all things considered...there is only ONE...damn good factor...that is clearly seen...for that ever possibly happening.

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Reply #224 posted 02/06/11 8:54pm

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sweething said:

electricberet said:

Do you think anyone paid $1,500 or more to go to that concert to see Erykah Badu? I didn't even know who she was until she made the news recently for stripping naked in downtown Dallas while making a music video. She may be a wonderful soul singer but she wasn't the draw for this incredibly expensive concert. If you don't believe me, just go to the website, which is tellingly named www.princedallas.com, and you will see a big photo of Prince with his guitar.

I hope that Erykah does do something for the scholarship recipients as someone suggested. That would be very nice of her. And I agree that, like Prince, she could have smelled a rat here. Perhaps even more so because she is from Dallas. But the concert would not have been a possibility without Prince.

[Edited 2/6/11 20:21pm]

Looks as if there were several snafus at this super bowl. Some 800 fans got kicked out of their seats and missed the kick off.

Yes, this Prince story is just part of a long series of tales of greed gone awry. The lesson that my wife is taking from this is that I shouldn't buy tickets to a Prince concert. Too bad, because it would have been her first one.

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Reply #225 posted 02/06/11 8:55pm

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electricberet said:

sweething said:

I haven't read anything that specifies Prince's "involvement" as you state as a catalyst.

How could you imply such?

I said there was a major superbowl sponsor listed.

What I mean is that Prince had to be the key to this deal from the beginning. Imagine the following hypothetical conversation between Chris Arnold and someone from Bud Light:

CA: "I'm organizing a concert. Do you want to be a sponsor?"

BL: "Who are you and what company do you represent?"

CA: "I'm a local radio personality. You may remember my exciting sports reporting on Mavericks games. I represent a new company that has just been formed (or is about to be formed)."

BL: "So what exactly is your plan for this concert?"

CA: "We're going to charge a minimum of $1,500 for general admission tickets, and from $12,000 to $25,000 for VIP seats."

BL: "Who do you have lined up to perform?"

CA: "Erykah Badu. You know, the woman who stripped naked in downtown Dallas. Plus some DJs."

Which of the following do you think would be the most likely response?

BL: "That sounds great! It's sure to be a success. Sign us up!"

BL: "You must be joking. Call us back if you get a real star."

Neither!

As much as I absolutely adore Erykah Badu...and I really do, too! I think the most likely response in that sort of scenario...would have been...

BL: CLICK!

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[Edited 2/6/11 20:59pm]

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Reply #226 posted 02/06/11 9:06pm

wonder505

electricberet said:

Spinlight said:

Name me a news organization that makes money off making a story about prince? lmao

Just to put this in perspective, here's some correspondence from the Dallas Morning News comment section:

Das Kapital

10:18 AM on February 6, 2011

On behalf of most of America -- ESPECIALLY anyone who's under 40 yrs old -- allow me to ask the obvious question:

Who the bleep is "Prince"?

WEEZIE

10:50 AM on February 6, 2011

Prince was a very hot property in the 1980s. Then, through some bad business decisions, he screwed up his career. Now he's a has been with the ego of a headliner. Look up "Little Red Corvette" or "1999" on YouTube.

i'm sorry that's dumb.lol

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Reply #227 posted 02/06/11 9:09pm

2elijah

electricberet said:

Spinlight said:

Name me a news organization that makes money off making a story about prince? lmao

Just to put this in perspective, here's some correspondence from the Dallas Morning News comment section:

Das Kapital

10:18 AM on February 6, 2011

On behalf of most of America -- ESPECIALLY anyone who's under 40 yrs old -- allow me to ask the obvious question:

Who the bleep is "Prince"?

WEEZIE

10:50 AM on February 6, 2011

Prince was a very hot property in the 1980s. Then, through some bad business decisions, he screwed up his career. Now he's a has been with the ego of a headliner. Look up "Little Red Corvette" or "1999" on YouTube.

If the media wasn't interested in Prince, some of them wouldn't have jumped to print anything about the cancelled event or make what happened yesterday their headline news, without researching the facts behind it. Controversy sells, so-to-speak, and obviously they saw his name as newsworthy or they wouldn't have taken the time to report the story. I'm not interested in the nasty comments about it, because like any artist/celebrity, people will always have opinions about them whether it's good or bad. If I want to read that type of ignorant nonsense, there's always the National Enquirer.

The funny thing is, some people b*tch, whine and moan about artists/celebrities 24/7 that they don't like, yet spend half their time discussing them all day. lol That's pretty hilarious, considering they could spend their time doing something else.Anyway, it's been a long discussion and hopefully the event planners will refund money to those who paid to come to the event.

[Edited 2/6/11 21:20pm]

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Reply #228 posted 02/06/11 9:10pm

sweething

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

electricberet said:

What I mean is that Prince had to be the key to this deal from the beginning. Imagine the following hypothetical conversation between Chris Arnold and someone from Bud Light:

CA: "I'm organizing a concert. Do you want to be a sponsor?"

BL: "Who are you and what company do you represent?"

CA: "I'm a local radio personality. You may remember my exciting sports reporting on Mavericks games. I represent a new company that has just been formed (or is about to be formed)."

BL: "So what exactly is your plan for this concert?"

CA: "We're going to charge a minimum of $1,500 for general admission tickets, and from $12,000 to $25,000 for VIP seats."

BL: "Who do you have lined up to perform?"

CA: "Erykah Badu. You know, the woman who stripped naked in downtown Dallas. Plus some DJs."

Which of the following do you think would be the most likely response?

BL: "That sounds great! It's sure to be a success. Sign us up!"

BL: "You must be joking. Call us back if you get a real star."

Neither!

As much as I absolutely adore Erykah Badu...and I really do, too! I think the most likely response in that sort of scenario...would have been...

BL: CLICK!

.


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What you have typed is fantasy. Are you kidding? Comment on a purely made up conversation? Now you are completely fabricating scenarios? Making stuff up? Where are you getting your information?

You're grasping for air trying to make a point that's going nowhere.

The facts as they've been reported have been noted again and again. The promoter couldn't put the deal together, period.

x

[Edited 2/6/11 21:21pm]

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Reply #229 posted 02/06/11 9:27pm

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sweething said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Neither!

As much as I absolutely adore Erykah Badu...and I really do, too! I think the most likely response in that sort of scenario...would have been...

BL: CLICK!

.


[Edited 2/6/11 20:59pm]

What you have typed is fantasy. Are you kidding? Comment on a purely made up conversation? Now you are completely fabricating scenarios? Making stuff up? Where are you getting your information?

You're grasping for air trying to make a point that's going nowhere.

The facts as they've been reported have been noted again and again. The promoter couldn't put the deal together, period.

x

[Edited 2/6/11 21:21pm]

You're right! It's a completely fabricated scenario. Now, if you please, you explain to me how this concert, with its outrageous prices, could have been a success (and attracted major corporate sponsorship) without Prince as the star performer.

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Reply #230 posted 02/06/11 9:30pm

sweething

electricberet said:

sweething said:

What you have typed is fantasy. Are you kidding? Comment on a purely made up conversation? Now you are completely fabricating scenarios? Making stuff up? Where are you getting your information?

You're grasping for air trying to make a point that's going nowhere.

The facts as they've been reported have been noted again and again. The promoter couldn't put the deal together, period.

x

[Edited 2/6/11 21:21pm]

You're right! It's a completely fabricated scenario. Now, if you please, you explain to me how this concert, with its outrageous prices, could have been a success (and attracted major corporate sponsorship) without Prince as the star performer.

spit more speculation? I think not. you keep shifting like a schooner on rough seas.

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Reply #231 posted 02/06/11 9:36pm

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sweething said:

electricberet said:

You're right! It's a completely fabricated scenario. Now, if you please, you explain to me how this concert, with its outrageous prices, could have been a success (and attracted major corporate sponsorship) without Prince as the star performer.

spit more speculation? I think not. you keep shifting like a schooner on rough seas.

Well, I'm just trying to understand your reasoning. It seems to me that you're saying that Prince could have agreed to the concert on the basis that Bud Light was a sponsor. But would Bud Light have agreed to sponsor an event that was doomed to fail? Could a concert during Super Bowl weekend, charging tickets of $1,500 and up, have been anything but a failure without a major star attached to it? If the answer to both questions is "no," then Bud Light was not the key to this deal. Honestly, I don't even see how anyone could argue that this concert might have been taken seriously without Prince's name attached to it. Prince could have killed the deal at any point. Do you dispute that?

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Reply #232 posted 02/06/11 9:40pm

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sweething said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Neither!

As much as I absolutely adore Erykah Badu...and I really do, too! I think the most likely response in that sort of scenario...would have been...

BL: CLICK!

.


[Edited 2/6/11 20:59pm]

What you have typed is fantasy. Are you kidding? Comment on a purely made up conversation? You're grasping for air trying to make a point that's going nowhere.

The facts as they've been reported have been noted again and again. The promoter couldn't put the deal together, period.

This point...that I've grasped...seems pretty solid!

http://www.wfaa.com/sport...99269.html

The event was canceled Friday night, something that didn't surprise attorney Steve Khoury.

"It was pretty clear, pretty early, that this party boat wasn't coming in," he said.

Three of Khoury's clients — potential investors — dropped out three weeks ago. "My investors were willing to put up the kind of money they were asking to be invested," he said.

"The fee being negotiated by Prince was on the order of a million-five, a million-seven — with benefits."

Khoury said he saw the written agreement, which was not signed.

At least one of those "potential investors" was the hypothesized investor in the scenario that I commented on. If the major investors pulled out three weeks ago...that would be a about week after Erykah signed on and the event had already been billed and sold...for weeks with only Prince as the draw.

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Reply #233 posted 02/06/11 9:41pm

sweething

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sweething said:

spit more speculation? I think not. you keep shifting like a schooner on rough seas.

Well, I'm just trying to understand your reasoning. It seems to me that you're saying that Prince could have agreed to the concert on the basis that Bud Light was a sponsor. But would Bud Light have agreed to sponsor an event that was doomed to fail? Could a concert during Super Bowl weekend, charging tickets of $1,500 and up, have been anything but a failure without a major star attached to it? If the answer to both questions is "no," then Bud Light was not the key to this deal. Honestly, I don't even see how anyone could argue that this concert might have been taken seriously without Prince's name attached to it. Prince could have killed the deal at any point. Do you dispute that?

All of that is pure conjecture, isn't it? You don't know, I don't know. Lets stick to what we do know (or what has been reported.) The promoter could not put the deal together.

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Reply #234 posted 02/06/11 9:52pm

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sweething said:

electricberet said:

Well, I'm just trying to understand your reasoning. It seems to me that you're saying that Prince could have agreed to the concert on the basis that Bud Light was a sponsor. But would Bud Light have agreed to sponsor an event that was doomed to fail? Could a concert during Super Bowl weekend, charging tickets of $1,500 and up, have been anything but a failure without a major star attached to it? If the answer to both questions is "no," then Bud Light was not the key to this deal. Honestly, I don't even see how anyone could argue that this concert might have been taken seriously without Prince's name attached to it. Prince could have killed the deal at any point. Do you dispute that?

All of that is pure conjecture, isn't it? You don't know, I don't know. Lets stick to what we do know (or what has been reported.) The promoter could not put the deal together.

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I've said many times before that I'm angry at the organizers. Others may blame Erykah. If I don't get reimbursed soon, my wife will be upset at me for buying the tickets. My unborn child may one day be mad that I spent money on this instead of toys or college tuition or whatever. What is starting to bug me is that people want to take Prince out of the equation entirely because he must be just an innocent lamb who happened to be caught in a bad situation. You can blame whoever you want, but understand that some of those who were invited to perform at "the Event featuring Prince" or who bought tickets for said Event are going to direct some of that anger at Prince. And if you care about Prince's reputation, as some do, it's worth discussing what he could do differently to avoid being blamed for these situations in the future.

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Reply #235 posted 02/06/11 9:52pm

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electricberet said:

Spinlight said:

Name me a news organization that makes money off making a story about prince? lmao

Just to put this in perspective, here's some correspondence from the Dallas Morning News comment section:

Das Kapital

10:18 AM on February 6, 2011

On behalf of most of America -- ESPECIALLY anyone who's under 40 yrs old -- allow me to ask the obvious question:

Who the bleep is "Prince"?

WEEZIE

10:50 AM on February 6, 2011

Prince was a very hot property in the 1980s. Then, through some bad business decisions, he screwed up his career. Now he's a has been with the ego of a headliner. Look up "Little Red Corvette" or "1999" on YouTube.

People who leave comments on blogs and news sites are some of the most ignorant people on the face of the planet.

Just go on Yahoo, and you'll see why. If they're not going FIRST! in every post, they're usually saying something racist or homophobic.

Do you really expect someone named "Weezie" to be a smart individual???

This really isn't about this topic in particular, but one of the worst things about the internet is giving anonymous morons an outlet.

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Reply #236 posted 02/06/11 9:59pm

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Paris9748430 said:

electricberet said:

Just to put this in perspective, here's some correspondence from the Dallas Morning News comment section:

Das Kapital

10:18 AM on February 6, 2011

On behalf of most of America -- ESPECIALLY anyone who's under 40 yrs old -- allow me to ask the obvious question:

Who the bleep is "Prince"?

WEEZIE

10:50 AM on February 6, 2011

Prince was a very hot property in the 1980s. Then, through some bad business decisions, he screwed up his career. Now he's a has been with the ego of a headliner. Look up "Little Red Corvette" or "1999" on YouTube.

People who leave comments on blogs and news sites are some of the most ignorant people on the face of the planet.

Just go on Yahoo, and you'll see why. If they're not going FIRST! in every post, they're usually saying something racist or homophobic.

Do you really expect someone named "Weezie" to be a smart individual???

This really isn't about this topic in particular, but one of the worst things about the internet is giving anonymous morons an outlet.

[Edited 2/6/11 21:54pm]

I agree with what you say. Unfortunately, like most Prince fans, I have to defend him to friends who are similarly ignorant. That's why it hurts when we feel like he doesn't care about us.

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Reply #237 posted 02/06/11 10:33pm

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

electricberet said:

eek

And especially...this one:

Prince's manager told the New York Post that his client was excited about the performance, but that organizers were not able to bring him and his band to Dallas on Friday.

The event was canceled Friday night, something that didn't surprise attorney Steve Khoury.

"It was pretty clear, pretty early, that this party boat wasn't coming in," he said.

Three of Khoury's clients — potential investors — dropped out three weeks ago. "My investors were willing to put up the kind of money they were asking to be invested," he said.

"The fee being negotiated by Prince was on the order of a million-five, a million-seven — with benefits."

Khoury said he saw the written agreement, which was not signed.

"I'd hate to be someone now trying to get my money back," Khoury said.

This does not sound too good for someone trying to get their money back according to this attorney...? confused Sounds like more shady crap.

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Reply #238 posted 02/06/11 10:35pm

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One thing for sure the people in NYC will probably get a helluva concert Monday night, P will probably take this fiasco out on his Guitar! hee hee lol

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Reply #239 posted 02/06/11 10:50pm

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Cracks me up Prince commands over a million dollars a performance...

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