HomeSquid said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Do you care to share what you "saw" that made you think it was BS? I'd like to understand your POV.

the irony.... you write the word "respect" but you show none. Maybe that's why you don't know God?

You can be good without god.

herrherr said:

HomeSquid said:

the irony.... you write the word "respect" but you show none. Maybe that's why you don't know God?

You can be good without god.

Vendetta1 said:

herrherr said:

You can be good without god.

But can you be evil without Satan?

noimageatall said:

Vendetta1 said:

But can you be evil without Satan?

Oh my god.

herrherr said:

HomeSquid said:

the irony.... you write the word "respect" but you show none. Maybe that's why you don't know God?

You can be good without god.

depends what you mean...are there athiests who are good people?...absolutely. If the Bible talks about those who do the right things without the "law" as their guide

"for whenever people of the nations (or unbelievers in this case) that do not have law (knowledge of God in this case) do by nature the things of the law (goodness in this case) , these people, although not having law are a law to themselves. They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts while their conscience is bearing witness to them..." Rom. 2:14,15

so you can confess no God but still do good...but it doesn't change the fact this this sense of goodness- that lower animals do not possess- must come from somewhere for it transcends materialism, which is the philosophy of the truly Godless. The existence of a universal moral code or sense of right and wrong is an evidence for God...or atleast is better explained by God's existence than brute, mindless chance

Vendetta1 said:

noimageatall said:

But can you be evil without Satan?

Oh my god.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

lydiaravenswood said:

Being a Seventh Day Adventist isn't much better, I was raised as one. I watched 4 pastors go against "The Word", the first cheated with a married woman, the second went against "his flock", the third lied to the congregation and cheated on his wife with a married woman he was supposed to be helping, the youth pastor stole from the teens, the next one gave up (he doesn't count), and the most recent is about to give up as well. I watched soo many so called Christians use "the word" to hide behind.

I always thought the idea of "One God" is kinda foolish...

The best thing to do is follow morality, respectability, honesty, and intelligence.

And just where do the "rules of morality" and all that come from? All of the rules and laws of the land are roughly based on biblical principles! So the idea of GOD is not foolish! Everyone has a different view of what morality is, its all objectional, so the standard has to come from somewhere!

This is not exactly true. A lot of what is considered moral code came from a few of the great philosophers, not the Bible.

^ you are correct, everything that christians addapted actually came from other people.

i chose to be baptized when i was 10. i saw corruptiong in all the churches i went to, a because my parents were decons and deconesss, they went to other ones a lot and i had to go. i never met a true christian in my life. they were all fake. maybe that's just how Cali christian are, i don't know. i also did a lot of research on everything in the bible, the story's origons, and found that almost all of them were corrupted and twisted versions from older religions, especially pagan, that was stomped out by them. trust me when i know i loved god, but i saw he as the christians put him, didn't exist. when i called out to the goddess, i felt her. that's how i knew.

i have to say, when people say "you'll understand" i really want to slap them for thinking they're right and pagans aren't. i never understood why christians think they're the ones who are right. everything about ti comes off like some cult obsession.

HomeSquid said:

herrherr said:

You can be good without god.

so you can confess no God but still do good...but it doesn't change the fact this this sense of goodness- that lower animals do not possess- must come from somewhere for it transcends materialism, which is the philosophy of the truly Godless. The existence of a universal moral code or sense of right and wrong is an evidence for God...or atleast is better explained by God's existence than brute, mindless chance

It's not a "brute, mindless chance" that people came to realise that killing one another was probably not in the best interest of their tribe. It says a lot about the people who believe that they wouldn't know that it's hideous to murder another if a deity hadn't told them it was wrong to (especially by a god that wasn't astute enough to condemn genocide, slavery, and rape--but, instead, encouraged such vile behaviour.)

[Edited 9/26/10 15:51pm]

lydiaravenswood said:

^ you are correct, everything that christians addapted actually came from other people.

Untrue. No serious Biblical scholar or historian holds this opinion. You obviously read too much Internet garbage or fringe critics. There is a lot of paganism that crept into Christianity but it doesn't take away from the core truths

i chose to be baptized when i was 10. i saw corruptiong in all the churches i went to, a because my parents were decons and deconesss, they went to other ones a lot and i had to go. i never met a true christian in my life. they were all fake. maybe that's just how Cali christian are, i don't know. i also did a lot of research on everything in the bible, the story's origons, and found that almost all of them were corrupted and twisted versions from older religions, especially pagan, that was stomped out by them. trust me when i know i loved god, but i saw he as the christians put him, didn't exist. when i called out to the goddess, i felt her. that's how i knew.

There sure in the hell is a lot of fake Christians. Some would say that what keeps people away from Christ mostly is Christians. Even Ghandi said (paraphrase) "I love Christ. I just don't like Christians". Nevertheless that has nothing to do with Christ, the Bible or if God exists. Human beings are jerks. Look, man I hate those smug, self-righteous and usually hypocritical Christians that you hate but they mean nothing to me. Somebody could confess or say anything but it doesn't mean it's true.

i have to say, when people say "you'll understand" i really want to slap them for thinking they're right and pagans aren't. i never understood why christians think they're the ones who are right. everything about ti comes off like some cult obsession.

one of us is wrong. Either Jesus is the Son of God and was resurrected from the dead and is the Savior or he is not......with a preponderance of all the evidence and a comparison to other alleged truths Christianity is the most believable and has more actual "proof" than any other religion. Archaeology, historicity, etc...it has a lot going for it. That doesn't prove Christianity is true but it proves it's more rational than other faiths.. I stand by what i said. If you really took a hard look at the arguments for design in the universe and even the historicity of Jesus' resurrection you would understand. You may reject it out o hand but you'd have a lot more appreciation why so many believe. Sure, there are plenty of people who "believe" simply because they want to but if a person can't give a good, solid reason for belief they are flying blind...this goes for nonbelievers too. With all due respect I just don't believe you know enough about all this to make a definitive choice yet...don't let jackass so-called Christians be the be all and end all of the question. The good news is many of those fake Christians will suffer for their hypocricity. YOU are closer to God right now that a believer who doesn't practice what they preach and fails to repent.

herrherr said:

HomeSquid said:

so you can confess no God but still do good...but it doesn't change the fact this this sense of goodness- that lower animals do not possess- must come from somewhere for it transcends materialism, which is the philosophy of the truly Godless. The existence of a universal moral code or sense of right and wrong is an evidence for God...or atleast is better explained by God's existence than brute, mindless chance

It's not a "brute, mindless chance" that people came to realise that killing one another was probably not in the best interest of their tribe. It says a lot about the people who believe that they wouldn't know that it's hideous to murder another if a deity hadn't told them it was wrong to (especially by a god that wasn't astute enough to condemn genocide, slavery, and rape--but, instead, encouraged such vile behaviour.)

[Edited 9/26/10 15:51pm]

As far as the first part. Murder is an easy one but it's only "murder" because we attach a sense of morality to it..otherwise it's just killing like any animal does. Why do humans think it's wrong to kill other humans since all animals do it? But why does every culture think child abuse is wrong? Or rape? or...? What makes it wrong if there isn't a universal truth?- how can a law of conduct exist without a lawgiver? Why does every culture in the remotest parts of earth everywhere and since recorded history began share these beliefs?

the second part about condoning genocide, slavery, rape is based on a misunderstanding on your part and is taken out of context...rape was never condoned by God in any context by the way. The "Old Testament" is a long and difficult subject but all is not as it appears.

HomeSquid said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

HomeSquid said: Prince himself has said "There is only 1 truth..." on that interview w/ Mel. There is no point in really going there, people will always argue it. But to sum it up, GOD's word is the only truth! And I said, I'd discuss things with Prince as I find him quite wise and a deep thinker, and I respect him, so I'd discuss scripture with him, not witness.

Well we agree on this..."Jesus said to him: 'I am the way and the truth and the life'..." (John 14:6). I just said what I said because I consider myself an expert on JWs and many of us Christians accuse them of not being Christian just because they have some erroneous beliefs. All organized "sects" of Christianity are wrong about something. All the ones that think their one brand is the only truth are mostly likely wrong too...but that's humans for ya...

No, JWs don't believe in the Trinity, and, honestly, I think a strong argument could be made either way but it's not essential to being a Christian. JWs do believe Jesus was the "Son of God" and if you read 1 John 4:15 you see they meet "Christian" criteria

I agree with you....I have no problems with any denomination of Christianity. Which is why I didn't list a truth...because I think in some sense, we are all misguided on certain things. For any 1 denomination to claim to be perfect, well, that's just wrong and worthless. All of the denominations have positives/negatives, so we would all do well, to learn from each other. My main focus is does a person who proclaims to be a Christian believe that Jesus is the son of GOD. IF they do, then all of the other things fail in comparison. Since that ultimately is the key thing. If they don't, then they aren't Christians. And looking to scripture for answers is key too.

I agree, the trinity thing is one of those principles that is open to interpretation(some things are, some things aren't). I never got the point in arguing those type of things, since none of us know which is true, but one day we all will. Christians need to forget the different viewpoints and just join together to support each other, that will become more and more essential as time goes on. We are, after all, all searching for GOD's truth and salvation. I'm a firm believer in "united we stand, divided we fall..."

I don't have a problem with Prince being a JW. I'm just glad that he is so into the scripture and seeking after GOD. GOD will/may have already reveal(ed) himself to Prince like he does to all of us, and he will lead. It warms my heart to see a celeb display his faith without worrying about if he will be unpopular or not sell an ablum! Prince is being an inspiration for Christians around the world!!!

QuasarOfRock said:

That's like asking 'If you have gas, would you fart in front of Prince?'

While not the same question, the reaction from Prince would be the same to either of these.

You'd only embarrass yourself and annoy Prince.

This so caught me off guard, I laughed so hard I was crying!

lydiaravenswood said:

^ you are correct, everything that christians addapted actually came from other people.

i chose to be baptized when i was 10. i saw corruptiong in all the churches i went to, a because my parents were decons and deconesss, they went to other ones a lot and i had to go. i never met a true christian in my life. they were all fake. maybe that's just how Cali christian are, i don't know. i also did a lot of research on everything in the bible, the story's origons, and found that almost all of them were corrupted and twisted versions from older religions, especially pagan, that was stomped out by them. trust me when i know i loved god, but i saw he as the christians put him, didn't exist. when i called out to the goddess, i felt her. that's how i knew.

i have to say, when people say "you'll understand" i really want to slap them for thinking they're right and pagans aren't. i never understood why christians think they're the ones who are right. everything about ti comes off like some cult obsession.

I tell people that all the time.. "you'll understand me, when you know HIM." IMO, that's the only response to give to someone who is so hell bent on GOD not existing. What else can be said really? We *know* GOD exists and that we are right, but until you *know* GOD, then you will forever laugh at, belittle, disagree, or ignore anything a Christian has to say. (Not saying you so to speak, just nonbelievers in general). That is the polite way of saying "Done with this conversation b/c nothing I say will make a difference to you anyway, so what's the point?"

herrherr said:

HomeSquid said:

so you can confess no God but still do good...but it doesn't change the fact this this sense of goodness- that lower animals do not possess- must come from somewhere for it transcends materialism, which is the philosophy of the truly Godless. The existence of a universal moral code or sense of right and wrong is an evidence for God...or atleast is better explained by God's existence than brute, mindless chance

It's not a "brute, mindless chance" that people came to realise that killing one another was probably not in the best interest of their tribe. It says a lot about the people who believe that they wouldn't know that it's hideous to murder another if a deity hadn't told them it was wrong to (especially by a god that wasn't astute enough to condemn genocide, slavery, and rape--but, instead, encouraged such vile behaviour.)

[Edited 9/26/10 15:51pm]

First off, GOD never condoned such behaviours...

Secondly, where would we learn to be "good" from? Would we just wake up one day and decide this is what is being good and this is what's being bad? Or better yet, would we listen to the many philosophers (another orger mentioned them) and go based on what they say? What if a philosopher declared rape was a positive way to find and mate and release stress of men, would we then adapt to it as a good thing?

You do realize that in some cultures around the world, they find killing acceptable? Honor killings, sacrifing, etc. are all part of their culture and they don't find anything immoral about it..GOD's commandments are evident around the world, it is HIS moral code of conduct that we follow.

And to the person that mentioned philosophers...just which ones are you referring to? Were they around before the bible days? Since that's when those rules/morals were described. Those philosophers read that bible, and decided to elaborate on it, and try to make it their own. Everyone read the bible back in the day! The commandments have been around for AGES!

HomeSquid said:

lydiaravenswood said:

^ you are correct, everything that christians addapted actually came from other people.

Untrue. No serious Biblical scholar or historian holds this opinion. You obviously read too much Internet garbage or fringe critics. There is a lot of paganism that crept into Christianity but it doesn't take away from the core truths

i chose to be baptized when i was 10. i saw corruptiong in all the churches i went to, a because my parents were decons and deconesss, they went to other ones a lot and i had to go. i never met a true christian in my life. they were all fake. maybe that's just how Cali christian are, i don't know. i also did a lot of research on everything in the bible, the story's origons, and found that almost all of them were corrupted and twisted versions from older religions, especially pagan, that was stomped out by them. trust me when i know i loved god, but i saw he as the christians put him, didn't exist. when i called out to the goddess, i felt her. that's how i knew.

There sure in the hell is a lot of fake Christians. Some would say that what keeps people away from Christ mostly is Christians. Even Ghandi said (paraphrase) "I love Christ. I just don't like Christians". Nevertheless that has nothing to do with Christ, the Bible or if God exists. Human beings are jerks. Look, man I hate those smug, self-righteous and usually hypocritical Christians that you hate but they mean nothing to me. Somebody could confess or say anything but it doesn't mean it's true.

i have to say, when people say "you'll understand" i really want to slap them for thinking they're right and pagans aren't. i never understood why christians think they're the ones who are right. everything about ti comes off like some cult obsession.

one of us is wrong. Either Jesus is the Son of God and was resurrected from the dead and is the Savior or he is not......with a preponderance of all the evidence and a comparison to other alleged truths Christianity is the most believable and has more actual "proof" than any other religion. Archaeology, historicity, etc...it has a lot going for it. That doesn't prove Christianity is true but it proves it's more rational than other faiths.. I stand by what i said. If you really took a hard look at the arguments for design in the universe and even the historicity of Jesus' resurrection you would understand. You may reject it out o hand but you'd have a lot more appreciation why so many believe. Sure, there are plenty of people who "believe" simply because they want to but if a person can't give a good, solid reason for belief they are flying blind...this goes for nonbelievers too. With all due respect I just don't believe you know enough about all this to make a definitive choice yet...don't let jackass so-called Christians be the be all and end all of the question. The good news is many of those fake Christians will suffer for their hypocricity. YOU are closer to God right now that a believer who doesn't practice what they preach and fails to repent.

If anyone allows someone else's negative actions to keep them from Christ..well, that's sad and they are displaying a very weak mind. GOD is personal to all of us, and we shouldn't allow someone else to keep us from knowing him. And really, I don't buy that argument. If we saw someone abuse a child, would that keep us from becoming a parent? Any sane person would say NO. If we saw someone take a baseball bat to someone's head, would we then refuse to ever touch a baseball bat again, just because someone else has misused it and defiled it? Again, any sane person would say NO. You can't let other people's negative actions in regards to the Bible and GOD dictate what you believe.

Nawww mann. Once you submit your life to Jesus Christ you don't turn back. You see things through a new light, you live your life for Him. Not for the riches of the earth and short life, but for the glory to His name and the treasures of Heaven.

Absolute bullshit. I have a friend who was i a nun for few years. Today she's the most incredible sex-partner i ever had.

I still believe Prince's mystical crisis is jaust a phase.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Secondly, where would we learn to be "good" from?

some people have a conscience and others need a guidebook. some learn via cause and effect and others dont care at all.

cant force someone to learn something or listen to their conscience if they dont want to.

thats the problem a lot of folks have with religion. the assumption that you simply must follow their teachings and that their way is the best way.

elsewhere you said something along the lines of 'god is personal for us all'. with due respect, this is an example of why people do not respect religion.

no one tells me what my god is, what form it takes, or how i should follow it. i find these things out for myself, in my own way, in my own time.

my omnipresent god, present in every atom in the universe, only asks that i align all my ways with the laws of the universe. i then experience the consequences of my own actions, for better or for worse.

i do my best, not because of the god of religion, but because my conscience is connected to an omnipresent life force and i do my best to listen to it

i've read a lot about the laws of the universe, tested them with my own experiences, and found them to be true, for me

what i couldnt do, is accept the rules of a religion, without having tested them out for myself first

what i could never do, is tell someone they should believe what i believe. if they are astute enough, then life itself will be their teacher.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

HomeSquid said:

If anyone allows someone else's negative actions to keep them from Christ..well, that's sad and they are displaying a very weak mind. GOD is personal to all of us, and we shouldn't allow someone else to keep us from knowing him. And really, I don't buy that argument. If we saw someone abuse a child, would that keep us from becoming a parent? Any sane person would say NO. If we saw someone take a baseball bat to someone's head, would we then refuse to ever touch a baseball bat again, just because someone else has misused it and defiled it? Again, any sane person would say NO. You can't let other people's negative actions in regards to the Bible and GOD dictate what you believe.

you are a damn fool...you could really look at a baseball bat the same way if you watched someone get their brains bashed in?! then you're the one with problems. i know i'd never look the same way at one again, i'd just keep seeing the brains on the bat.

as for the rest, it's freaks like you that make me mock the whole damn thing. obsessed with no damn logic to back it up besides "feeling". you freaks kills off soo many of mine strictly because we wouldn't agree. we never did anything to you! we praised the gods, used herbs and loved sex as it should be, free.

it's clear being a JW is killing Prince's sex appeal. i mean look at the women he was with before! now he's with this haggish looking things. damn dude! get back on any other wagon that will put you back on the track you were on before and let that freak flag fly again!

each 2 there own.i will stick to roman catholicm.it was great to see benedict in the uk.i do disagree with one or two teachings but "god bless the pope".

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

HomeSquid said:

If anyone allows someone else's negative actions to keep them from Christ..well, that's sad and they are displaying a very weak mind. GOD is personal to all of us, and we shouldn't allow someone else to keep us from knowing him. And really, I don't buy that argument. If we saw someone abuse a child, would that keep us from becoming a parent? Any sane person would say NO. If we saw someone take a baseball bat to someone's head, would we then refuse to ever touch a baseball bat again, just because someone else has misused it and defiled it? Again, any sane person would say NO. You can't let other people's negative actions in regards to the Bible and GOD dictate what you believe.

So-called Christians may not keep me away from knowing Christ but some of you guys do keep me from church. I do not have a weak mind but to watch what some of you say and then do the exact opposite, it makes me scratch my head that more of you do not get called on your BS.

Some of the Christians on this very site like to quote the Bible in one breath; claiming that Christians are one thing and then in another breath be rude, curse other people out, lie and gossip and then use the EXCUSE that you all are just human. I find so many of you hypocritical and fake.

robinhood said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Secondly, where would we learn to be "good" from?

some people have a conscience and others need a guidebook. some learn via cause and effect and others dont care at all.

cant force someone to learn something or listen to their conscience if they dont want to.

thats the problem a lot of folks have with religion. the assumption that you simply must follow their teachings and that their way is the best way.

elsewhere you said something along the lines of 'god is personal for us all'. with due respect, this is an example of why people do not respect religion.

no one tells me what my god is, what form it takes, or how i should follow it. i find these things out for myself, in my own way, in my own time.

my omnipresent god, present in every atom in the universe, only asks that i align all my ways with the laws of the universe. i then experience the consequences of my own actions, for better or for worse.

i do my best, not because of the god of religion, but because my conscience is connected to an omnipresent life force and i do my best to listen to it

i've read a lot about the laws of the universe, tested them with my own experiences, and found them to be true, for me

what i couldnt do, is accept the rules of a religion, without having tested them out for myself first

what i could never do, is tell someone they should believe what i believe. if they are astute enough, then life itself will be their teacher.

First of all, witnessing isn't "telling someone they should believe what I believe in". Witnessing is the sharing of faith.

It's one thing to be astute in the knowledge of your own understanding, and another to be anchored in the word of the One who created us in His image and purpose. Behold this is same God who gave His son up on the cross for our sins to be forgiven through the blood He shed for us.

You can be cold and hard to this undenying love, or you can accept it. God gave man freewill, He will not bust through your door- instead He will lean on it. It is up to you to hear His voice and let him into your heart, and see what He has in store for you.

Using basic logic, you know behind every painting, there is a painter. When we observe order, say twenty coke cups lined up in a row, we know that there was an orderer who set them up that way. When we look around the universe, at things not made by man, why would we not think that there is a Creator, Designer, Artist, and Orderer behind the universe?

trickykid59 said:

Nawww mann. Once you submit your life to Jesus Christ you don't turn back. You see things through a new light, you live your life for Him. Not for the riches of the earth and short life, but for the glory to His name and the treasures of Heaven.

Absolute bullshit. I have a friend who was i a nun for few years. Today she's the most incredible sex-partner i ever had.

I still believe Prince's mystical crisis is jaust a phase.

& you think this nun submited her life to Jesus? Please don't let such a woman decieve you like that, for she's estranged from God's will. Just as some people who spat on Jesus as He was nailed on the cross were the same ones a week before worshiping Him, there will be hypocrites of today following FALSE relationships with God. Don't think she won't be judged for her hypocrisy.

[Edited 9/27/10 19:50pm]

JesusFreak said:

robinhood said:

some people have a conscience and others need a guidebook. some learn via cause and effect and others dont care at all.

cant force someone to learn something or listen to their conscience if they dont want to.

thats the problem a lot of folks have with religion. the assumption that you simply must follow their teachings and that their way is the best way.

elsewhere you said something along the lines of 'god is personal for us all'. with due respect, this is an example of why people do not respect religion.

no one tells me what my god is, what form it takes, or how i should follow it. i find these things out for myself, in my own way, in my own time.

my omnipresent god, present in every atom in the universe, only asks that i align all my ways with the laws of the universe. i then experience the consequences of my own actions, for better or for worse.

i do my best, not because of the god of religion, but because my conscience is connected to an omnipresent life force and i do my best to listen to it

i've read a lot about the laws of the universe, tested them with my own experiences, and found them to be true, for me

what i couldnt do, is accept the rules of a religion, without having tested them out for myself first

what i could never do, is tell someone they should believe what i believe. if they are astute enough, then life itself will be their teacher.

First of all, witnessing isn't "telling someone they should believe what I believe in". Witnessing is the sharing of faith.

It's one thing to be astute in the knowledge of your own understanding, and another to be anchored in the word of the One who created us in His image and purpose. Behold this is same God who gave His son up on the cross for our sins to be forgiven through the blood He shed for us.

You can be cold and hard to this undenying love, or you can accept it. God gave man freewill, He will not bust through your door- instead He will lean on it. It is up to you to hear His voice and let him into your heart, and see what He has in store for you.

Using basic logic, you know behind every painting, there is a painter. When we observe order, say twenty coke cups lined up in a row, we know that there was an orderer who set them up that way. When we look around the universe, at things not made by man, why would we not think that there is a Creator, Designer, Artist, and Orderer behind the universe?

you havent understood my post, but thanks for sharing your beliefs.

[Edited 9/27/10 20:05pm]

lydiaravenswood said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

If anyone allows someone else's negative actions to keep them from Christ..well, that's sad and they are displaying a very weak mind. GOD is personal to all of us, and we shouldn't allow someone else to keep us from knowing him. And really, I don't buy that argument. If we saw someone abuse a child, would that keep us from becoming a parent? Any sane person would say NO. If we saw someone take a baseball bat to someone's head, would we then refuse to ever touch a baseball bat again, just because someone else has misused it and defiled it? Again, any sane person would say NO. You can't let other people's negative actions in regards to the Bible and GOD dictate what you believe.

you are a damn fool...you could really look at a baseball bat the same way if you watched someone get their brains bashed in?! then you're the one with problems. i know i'd never look the same way at one again, i'd just keep seeing the brains on the bat.

as for the rest, it's freaks like you that make me mock the whole damn thing. obsessed with no damn logic to back it up besides "feeling". you freaks kills off soo many of mine strictly because we wouldn't agree. we never did anything to you! we praised the gods, used herbs and loved sex as it should be, free.

it's clear being a JW is killing Prince's sex appeal. i mean look at the women he was with before! now he's with this haggish looking things. damn dude! get back on any other wagon that will put you back on the track you were on before and let that freak flag fly again!

.... the tragic irony of you calling Daphne a "fool" and a "freak" and having no logic and yet you display not a hint of intelligence, logic or anything worth reading twice...done with you. dismissed

robinhood said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Secondly, where would we learn to be "good" from?

some people have a conscience and others need a guidebook. some learn via cause and effect and others dont care at all.

cant force someone to learn something or listen to their conscience if they dont want to.

thats the problem a lot of folks have with religion. the assumption that you simply must follow their teachings and that their way is the best way.

elsewhere you said something along the lines of 'god is personal for us all'. with due respect, this is an example of why people do not respect religion.

no one tells me what my god is, what form it takes, or how i should follow it. i find these things out for myself, in my own way, in my own time.

my omnipresent god, present in every atom in the universe, only asks that i align all my ways with the laws of the universe. i then experience the consequences of my own actions, for better or for worse.

i do my best, not because of the god of religion, but because my conscience is connected to an omnipresent life force and i do my best to listen to it

i've read a lot about the laws of the universe, tested them with my own experiences, and found them to be true, for me

what i couldnt do, is accept the rules of a religion, without having tested them out for myself first

what i could never do, is tell someone they should believe what i believe. if they are astute enough, then life itself will be their teacher.

you wrote...

"some people have a conscience and others need a guidebook. some learn via cause and effect and others dont care at all."

wrong everybody has a conscience..that's the point. you're born with it

your video is bunk...some facts, mixed with half-truths, misinterpretation, untruths. Besides, Jesus wasn't born on Dec 25th anyway. Zeitgeist and all those Jesus is pagan Internet quacks are not taken seriously by any reputable scholar or historian. You really shouldn't trust everything you find on youtube

lydiaravenswood said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

If anyone allows someone else's negative actions to keep them from Christ..well, that's sad and they are displaying a very weak mind. GOD is personal to all of us, and we shouldn't allow someone else to keep us from knowing him. And really, I don't buy that argument. If we saw someone abuse a child, would that keep us from becoming a parent? Any sane person would say NO. If we saw someone take a baseball bat to someone's head, would we then refuse to ever touch a baseball bat again, just because someone else has misused it and defiled it? Again, any sane person would say NO. You can't let other people's negative actions in regards to the Bible and GOD dictate what you believe.

you are a damn fool...you could really look at a baseball bat the same way if you watched someone get their brains bashed in?! then you're the one with problems. i know i'd never look the same way at one again, i'd just keep seeing the brains on the bat.

as for the rest, it's freaks like you that make me mock the whole damn thing. obsessed with no damn logic to back it up besides "feeling". you freaks kills off soo many of mine strictly because we wouldn't agree. we never did anything to you! we praised the gods, used herbs and loved sex as it should be, free.

it's clear being a JW is killing Prince's sex appeal. i mean look at the women he was with before! now he's with this haggish looking things. damn dude! get back on any other wagon that will put you back on the track you were on before and let that freak flag fly again!

Are you going to tell me that you would NEVER touch a baseball bat again? And you're calling me a freak? Ha! Guess you've never seen anyone die before! I am in the medical field, people die around me everyday...one must come to terms with death, no matter how hard it is. But that is far from the point and you missed it ENTIRELY!! Which is no surprise...

And I have no idea what you're rambling on about, you sound like an fool, so please do us both a favor and stop if you aren't going to made comprehensible sentences! There is lots of proof of GOD and Jesus existing, but that isn't something I've ever needed. I walk by faith, not by sight, always have, always will thank you very much.

And while I don't like Bria very much, what is so much worse about her looks than his past women? Other than she is extremely large and a bit tranny looking? He dresses her very well, she has lovely skin, and curvy body. Who even comes close to being on that level? All of his women were "pretty" in certain respects, but none really exemplified "beauty" like Bria does. She has that smug, posh look all the time, she has that "goddess" look about her at times. No matter what anyone thinks, she sure thinks she is beautiful, and that tends to spill over well for her.

And Prince is sexier now than he was before, because now he is just sexy. He doesn't do anything to get that, he just embodies sexiness. He isn't so focused with sex, which is such a nice turn around. Sex isn't everything, there is more to life than sex!

Vendetta1 said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

If anyone allows someone else's negative actions to keep them from Christ..well, that's sad and they are displaying a very weak mind. GOD is personal to all of us, and we shouldn't allow someone else to keep us from knowing him. And really, I don't buy that argument. If we saw someone abuse a child, would that keep us from becoming a parent? Any sane person would say NO. If we saw someone take a baseball bat to someone's head, would we then refuse to ever touch a baseball bat again, just because someone else has misused it and defiled it? Again, any sane person would say NO. You can't let other people's negative actions in regards to the Bible and GOD dictate what you believe.

So-called Christians may not keep me away from knowing Christ but some of you guys do keep me from church. I do not have a weak mind but to watch what some of you say and then do the exact opposite, it makes me scratch my head that more of you do not get called on your BS.

Some of the Christians on this very site like to quote the Bible in one breath; claiming that Christians are one thing and then in another breath be rude, curse other people out, lie and gossip and then use the EXCUSE that you all are just human. I find so many of you hypocritical and fake.

I feel you there...same thing here. I used to put too much into a church, now not so much. Knowing Christ is so much more than going to church. I am glad you can distinguish the 2. You can know Christ and never step foot in a church again. Just don't let anyone else's negative actions deter you from the Truth. People are hypocrites by nature, everyone says 1 thing and does another, we are all guilty of that about 1 thing or another. Doesn't make the thing we teach any less truth. LIke if a parent teaches their kids they should wait until they are married to have sex (neither parent waited though). Does it make that lesson any more important? Or should the parents not teach it? We are all humans, all sin, all fall short of HIS glory. The difference is some people care about that fact and others don't...

I'd like to add that while there are some awful things in some churches, there are GREAT things in others!! I searched long and hard for a church I could feel comfortable in and would feel confident that the Lord's word was being taught here. And I did find a church home, and the 2 hr drive 3-4 days a week is well worth it! I have a family in the Body of Christ that I love very much. I have friends that barely speak any english, and yet We are bonded for life through Christ and enjoy our time together. And these are people that I wouldn't otherwise know...a girl who was raised in the mountains of Peru, another girl who was raised as a muslim in Iran, and another girl raised in a 1 room house in Iceland....we all spent 2 weeks together as roommates in Budapest for the European Conference, explored the city, attended discipleship classes, shared GOD's word, learned each others language, and prayed together in 4 languages at least 50 times! lol It was great, we even visited a Hungarian Castle, ate at a Turkish restaurant at 1am, and visited an amazing outdoor spa 3 times...this experience was my latest international conference, I wouldn't trade it for anything, and it's all because of Christ!

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DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

And I have no idea what you're rambling on about, you sound like an fool, so please do us both a favor and stop if you aren't going to made comprehensible sentences! There is lots of proof of GOD and Jesus existing, but that isn't something I've ever needed. I walk by faith, not by sight, always have, always will thank you very much.

HomeSquid said:

you wrote...

"some people have a conscience and others need a guidebook. some learn via cause and effect and others dont care at all."

wrong everybody has a conscience..that's the point. you're born with it

we are born with free will, but not necessarily a conscience.

some people are born with a significantly smaller, and sometimes totally absent, section of the brain which deals with empathy and their ability to be consciously aware of the difference between right and wrong.