Stephen Hawking used the word "god" in his early works too. Its a simple metaphor that many readers will understand without taking too literally. I wouldn't use it personally due to the chance of it being misconstrued by those with an agenda but hey.

Also so what if past historical figures professed a belief in religious superstition? It was de rigeur at the time and you had to be very brave to publically suggest otherwise.

sounds like even einstein hadnt figured out the diference between spirituality and god or gods. the god is plural jesus was a child of god and human .. gods were ancient astronauts who understood the science we are now coming to understand. another mistake by einstein was his belief that our minds could not comprehend the universe .. this is completely false ... any civilization can be taught only to think of survival when opressed and kept in a constant state of traumatizing fear .. this is fairly typical of those who keep the ancient knowledge to themselves .. while there have been some less than privaledged people who could tap into their akashic record and have been able to reveal universal truths long hidden, the global civilization has taken time to evolve in public concious knowledge .. there fore we have been unable, as a human race, to use this science and technology for the good of the whole. only the hoarders use it to manipulate the oppressed masses. spirituality exists and tho i just met u theres this energy between us, but it has nothing to do with god because god is not the universe he is one of many ancient astronauts .. the universe however is made of vibrations that bind us listen and react effect every moment of life .. this exists but does not have a singular overlord individual separate from us god. no it is made up of all the energy of the universe and each individual is not only a part of it but contains all of it within ones self .. the gods are those who figured out the science of our existance and visited our planet. much of what the gods did in ancient religions and mythology is becoming possible by our own technology now, and as we realize this we are also realizing that the ancient texts are more than just stories but are actually science that we have been oppressed out of understanding the language so that every person could know what the masters of the universe know. prince christianity doesnt strike the chord of truth to me .. seems like he got a bit duped by that used car salesman and his ego is having a little spasm about it because subconciously he knows something is not right .. thats why he blabs about it so much .. he is confused and being forced to be some one elses mouth piece but its not right with his soul which is why it gets such a negative reaction from those of us who recognized his spiritual truth back when it came from the source and not the devil filling his head with bullshit. prince makes great choices but he is no ghandi or mother teresa .. he is very much a worshipper of babylon and material things .. this is the cause of his downfall and largely superficial music he produces.

ludwig said:

robinhood said:

'motivational posters': good enough for the idiot who created this one.

einstein was not an atheist.

"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish" - Einstein.

looks like he's right about that one.

You are totally wrong. Einstein was an atheist. You should read his biography before you post false information.

always so charmed by these kinds of responses it sets my heart a flutter with warmth and goodies.

1. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of a God, or supreme intelligent Being.

2. A godless person.

Albert Einstein was not an atheist.

you should read the dictionary before you post false information.

TrevorAyer said:

prince christianity doesnt strike the chord of truth to me .. seems like he got a bit duped by that used car salesman and his ego is having a little spasm about it because subconciously he knows something is not right .. thats why he blabs about it so much .. he is confused and being forced to be some one elses mouth piece but its not right with his soul which is why it gets such a negative reaction from those of us who recognized his spiritual truth back when it came from the source and not the devil filling his head with bullshit. prince makes great choices but he is no ghandi or mother teresa .. he is very much a worshipper of babylon and material things .. this is the cause of his downfall and largely superficial music he produces.

DesireeNevermind said:

Our family went through a Witness phase.

I always found these items especially confusing.

8. That Heaven's doors is open to only 144,000.
9. That the majority of Witnesses must remain on earth.
10. That salvation is found only through the Organization.
11. That it must be maintained by energetic works for the Organization until the end when one may merit eternal life on a paradise earth.

So basically what the JW teaches is that you must be a JW to get saved. Your chances for getting into heaven are slim but you must be a JW to get there in the first place. And if you don't get into Heaven you will live eternally on earths' paradise but only if you've been a steadfast workerbee for the JW faith.

Prince would so have been better off being a 7th Day Adventist. Oh well.

I wonder if the JWs have guaranteed Prince entry into Heaven....despite his whoring ways.

That's what makes it so stupid. If only 144,000 people will go to Heaven, then who the hell in their right mind would go door to door to people's houses and slim their own chances of going to Heaven. If I believed that, I would be trying to turn everyone else evil instead of good.

robinhood said:

ludwig said:

You are totally wrong. Einstein was an atheist. You should read his biography before you post false information.

always so charmed by these kinds of responses it sets my heart a flutter with warmth and goodies.

1. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of a God, or supreme intelligent Being.

2. A godless person.

Albert Einstein was not an atheist.

you should read the dictionary before you post false information.

Einstein ... Quoted

"It was of course a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal god and I have never deied this but have exoressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it"

See when Einstein often talked about 'religion' he was misinterpreted, there was a distinction between supernatural religion on one hand and Einsteinian religion on the other.

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is somewhat new kind of religion"

"The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naive"

Einstein was clearly misread when talking about Religion, it is of course clear to see he was a Atheist.

andykeen said:

robinhood said:

always so charmed by these kinds of responses it sets my heart a flutter with warmth and goodies.

1. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of a God, or supreme intelligent Being.

2. A godless person.

Albert Einstein was not an atheist.

you should read the dictionary before you post false information.

Einstein ... Quoted

"It was of course a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal god and I have never deied this but have exoressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it"

See when Einstein often talked about 'religion' he was misinterpreted, there was a distinction between supernatural religion on one hand and Einsteinian religion on the other.

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is somewhat new kind of religion"

"The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naive"

Einstein was clearly misread when talking about Religion, it is of course clear to see he was a Atheist.

Exactly. I linked to this exact quote in my comment, but of course everybody here ignored that because it didn't fit in their argumentation.

vainandy said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Our family went through a Witness phase.

I always found these items especially confusing.

8. That Heaven's doors is open to only 144,000.
9. That the majority of Witnesses must remain on earth.
10. That salvation is found only through the Organization.
11. That it must be maintained by energetic works for the Organization until the end when one may merit eternal life on a paradise earth.

So basically what the JW teaches is that you must be a JW to get saved. Your chances for getting into heaven are slim but you must be a JW to get there in the first place. And if you don't get into Heaven you will live eternally on earths' paradise but only if you've been a steadfast workerbee for the JW faith.

Prince would so have been better off being a 7th Day Adventist. Oh well.

I wonder if the JWs have guaranteed Prince entry into Heaven....despite his whoring ways.

That's what makes it so stupid. If only 144,000 people will go to Heaven, then who the hell in their right mind would go door to door to people's houses and slim their own chances of going to Heaven. If I believed that, I would be trying to turn everyone else evil instead of good.

True about the 144,000. But the JW's believe that those who are not included in that number will live forever on paradise earth. And only the special annointed are apart of the 144,000 to sit by god's side.

When you her Prince use the term " these system of thing's will end " he is referring to the end of the world. When Jehova will come down and kill everyone who is not apart of their orginization.

So the people who do go door to door have the motivation to do it so they can live on paradise earth after Jehova has killed all of us non witnesses. Something they seem to not mention at your door. You need to fully indoctrinated before you get that good news.

Prince spells it out really well in the Rainbow children.

andykeen said:

robinhood said:

always so charmed by these kinds of responses it sets my heart a flutter with warmth and goodies.

1. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of a God, or supreme intelligent Being.

2. A godless person.

Albert Einstein was not an atheist.

you should read the dictionary before you post false information.

Einstein ... Quoted

"It was of course a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal god and I have never deied this but have exoressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it"

See when Einstein often talked about 'religion' he was misinterpreted, there was a distinction between supernatural religion on one hand and Einsteinian religion on the other.

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is somewhat new kind of religion"

"The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naive"

Einstein was clearly misread when talking about Religion, it is of course clear to see he was a Atheist.

how is it clear to see he was an atheist? he said he doesnt believe in a personal god, the god which religion espouses.

this does not make him an atheist. he believes in a superior beingness, a superior spirit, and said so in his own words.

i do not believe in the god which religions force down other peoples throats either, and i am definitely not an atheist.

religion and religious types are not the authority on who and who is not an atheist, in fact it is an ultimate arrogance for them to ever say einstein didnt believe in god just because he didnt believe in THEIR god.

einstein was not an atheist - re-read the quotes on the previous page. he refers to GOD many times, with great humility.

andykeen said:

Einstein ... Quoted

"It was of course a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal god and I have never deied this but have exoressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it"

See when Einstein often talked about 'religion' he was misinterpreted, there was a distinction between supernatural religion on one hand and Einsteinian religion on the other.

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is somewhat new kind of religion"

"The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naive"

Einstein was clearly misread when talking about Religion, it is of course clear to see he was a Atheist.

If this is how you're choosing to label one an atheist, then all Buddhists are atheists - and that's just the tip of the spiritual iceberg.

But if it's that important to some people that such a great mind validates their own spiritual/philosophical choice, then so be it - Einstein, like Buddha, was an atheist.

Let's put aside, for the moment, agnostic and atheistic arguments about whether or not "God" exists. Let's focus, for a moment, on those who call themselves Christian and profess to believe in Christ and choose to follow certain doctrines within the constraint of the Christian religion.

The biggest problem and turn-off of Christian churches is their fragmented nature over centuries. The fact that even among perscribed denominations there is dissension and argument over what dogma which is taught is the real interpretation of the scriptures of the Bible or not. This causes controlled and limited scope of one's interpretation, belief, and faith within the bounds of leaders who try to control what followers of who we call "Jesus" has stated in the historic documents that we have. Not to mention ancient documents such as the Dead Sea scrolls which are considered heretical to the faith in most instances.

My point is that those who consider themselves Christian should think outside of the boxes that Western interpretations of ancient scripture have boxed them into. As with any endeavor in life, when one has grown up in or recently come to believe in any given religion, one should research and read and decide for themselves what one individually believes. By that same token, if one believes that one is Christian, one should not condemn or reject out of hand the interpretations of others who might truly believe and have faith in the same beliefs. So many who call themselves Christian and followers of Christ, condemn and disavow the beliefs of others who also consider themselves Christian...

Why don't so-called Christians embrace each other more--and not exclude others of their own faith who have a difference in dogma, perpetuated by leaders who want to control their followers? So what if you want to dip or sprinkle; so what if you think heaven is in another realm or here on a new earth?! Duh! Why are Prince's beliefs less than any other person who professes to be a Christian? The real judgement, according to all Christian beliefs, is what lies in each person's heart and soul--not what some prescribed religious leader espouses.

Make it simple, you so-called Christians--John 3:16.

Remember also--judge not, unless you are willing to be judged! (End of rant)

Chiquetet said:

andykeen said:

Einstein ... Quoted

"It was of course a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal god and I have never deied this but have exoressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it"

See when Einstein often talked about 'religion' he was misinterpreted, there was a distinction between supernatural religion on one hand and Einsteinian religion on the other.

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is somewhat new kind of religion"

"The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naive"

Einstein was clearly misread when talking about Religion, it is of course clear to see he was a Atheist.

If this is how you're choosing to label one an atheist, then all Buddhists are atheists - and that's just the tip of the spiritual iceberg.

But if it's that important to some people that such a great mind validates their own spiritual/philosophical choice, then so be it - Einstein, like Buddha, was an atheist.

i've started a topic about this in the PnR forum

http://prince.org/msg/105/343999

maybe we could continue the discussion there

DesireeNevermind said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Hmmm, I would definately discuss beliefs and scripture with Prince. I find him to be very wise and I respect him, so of course I'd like to see what he has to say and what he believes as truth. And I would share with him what I believe. I'm not an all knowing Christian person, I'm still learning after 13yrs of being saved and enjoy discussing with other believers different aspects of the Christian faith and The Bible. I wouldn't necessarily "witness" to Prince as I don't believe women should be ministering to men, but I do think a friendly discussion would be alot of fun!

Okay:

#1 Why don't you think women should minister to men? Do you think women are inferior to men or cannot comprehend biblical teachings as easily as men can?

#2 What is witnessing other than a friendly discussion? If witnessing is badgering and psychological manipulation then yeah....let's leave that to the men because they are so good at it.

Well, first off, I don't believe women should minister to men (I also don't believe in female pastors/preachers/etc) because that concept is biblical. I believe and teach that women are to minister to women only. I'm quite the believer that men are a woman's head, and Jesus is a man's head. I believe in woman/man roles, etc. I've got very traditional values that are biblical. I wouldn't use the word "inferior" since that has a negative connotation. And having men as the leaders isn't anything negative if they have Jesus as their guide. Works well for the ministry I'm in! The pastors are great and do what's best for the ministry!

One time when we went to NY for outreach, we were breaking up into groups to pass out tracks and talk to people. Well each pastor had a group of people that they were taking to different areas. Myself and 2 other girls wanted to go pass out flyers in Times Square, but no pastor was going. So we were told "No you're not going to Times Square without a pastor!" So I didn't go, I had to go to Chinatown! The pastor was thinking best..we were young and just wanted to go to Times Square because TRL was shot there, we were thinking about the dangers of being in NY alone! So it's good that we listened to the pastor!

Witnessing is NOT the same thing as a friendly discussion for me. I see witnessing as teaching/preaching. I don't believe women should be doing that to a man. At my church, we do these things called "raps" where men and women can discuss things/ask questions/etc with a pastor. But women are NEVER allowed to be up preaching! Unless she is talking to a group of ladies. But never would she be admitted in the pastor's program, etc.

Note...Jesus chose all male disciples...The Bible is pretty clear about men/woman roles.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Okay:

#1 Why don't you think women should minister to men? Do you think women are inferior to men or cannot comprehend biblical teachings as easily as men can?

#2 What is witnessing other than a friendly discussion? If witnessing is badgering and psychological manipulation then yeah....let's leave that to the men because they are so good at it.

Well, first off, I don't believe women should minister to men (I also don't believe in female pastors/preachers/etc) because that concept is biblical. I believe and teach that women are to minister to women only. I'm quite the believer that men are a woman's head, and Jesus is a man's head. I believe in woman/man roles, etc. I've got very traditional values that are biblical. I wouldn't use the word "inferior" since that has a negative connotation. And having men as the leaders isn't anything negative if they have Jesus as their guide. Works well for the ministry I'm in! The pastors are great and do what's best for the ministry!

One time when we went to NY for outreach, we were breaking up into groups to pass out tracks and talk to people. Well each pastor had a group of people that they were taking to different areas. Myself and 2 other girls wanted to go pass out flyers in Times Square, but no pastor was going. So we were told "No you're not going to Times Square without a pastor!" So I didn't go, I had to go to Chinatown! The pastor was thinking best..we were young and just wanted to go to Times Square because TRL was shot there, we were thinking about the dangers of being in NY alone! So it's good that we listened to the pastor!

Witnessing is NOT the same thing as a friendly discussion for me. I see witnessing as teaching/preaching. I don't believe women should be doing that to a man. At my church, we do these things called "raps" where men and women can discuss things/ask questions/etc with a pastor. But women are NEVER allowed to be up preaching! Unless she is talking to a group of ladies. But never would she be admitted in the pastor's program, etc.

Note...Jesus chose all male disciples...The Bible is pretty clear about men/woman roles.

Need to read it more! The early Christians had many female leaders. Mary, not the Mama, who was at the tomb, was one of the major leaders in the first round of leaders after Christ was crucified. It was also women who Christ revealed himself to, first, after his reported resurrection. This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about! Read it for yourself! Don't buy into some male leader of whatever branch of belief that you go to! Even in the old testament, women were chosen to be leaders when men fell down on the job. Women have always held major positions at various times. Paul even talks about the role of women elders in the church... Anyway, do more research and studying beyond what you are being fed by a male religious leader!

purplethunder3121 said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Well, first off, I don't believe women should minister to men (I also don't believe in female pastors/preachers/etc) because that concept is biblical. I believe and teach that women are to minister to women only. I'm quite the believer that men are a woman's head, and Jesus is a man's head. I believe in woman/man roles, etc. I've got very traditional values that are biblical. I wouldn't use the word "inferior" since that has a negative connotation. And having men as the leaders isn't anything negative if they have Jesus as their guide. Works well for the ministry I'm in! The pastors are great and do what's best for the ministry!

One time when we went to NY for outreach, we were breaking up into groups to pass out tracks and talk to people. Well each pastor had a group of people that they were taking to different areas. Myself and 2 other girls wanted to go pass out flyers in Times Square, but no pastor was going. So we were told "No you're not going to Times Square without a pastor!" So I didn't go, I had to go to Chinatown! The pastor was thinking best..we were young and just wanted to go to Times Square because TRL was shot there, we were thinking about the dangers of being in NY alone! So it's good that we listened to the pastor!

Witnessing is NOT the same thing as a friendly discussion for me. I see witnessing as teaching/preaching. I don't believe women should be doing that to a man. At my church, we do these things called "raps" where men and women can discuss things/ask questions/etc with a pastor. But women are NEVER allowed to be up preaching! Unless she is talking to a group of ladies. But never would she be admitted in the pastor's program, etc.

Note...Jesus chose all male disciples...The Bible is pretty clear about men/woman roles.

Need to read it more! The early Christians had many female leaders. Mary, not the Mama, who was at the tomb, was one of the major leaders in the first round of leaders after Christ was crucified. It was also women who Christ revealed himself to, first, after his reported resurrection. This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about! Read it for yourself! Don't buy into some male leader of whatever branch of belief that you go to! Even in the old testament, women were chosen to be leaders when men fell down on the job. Women have always held major positions at various times. Paul even talks about the role of women elders in the church... Anyway, do more research and studying beyond what you are being fed by a male religious leader!

I NEVER said women can't be leaders...I said women shouldn't be pastors! And women shouldn't be leading men. Yes, women were leaders in the bible days, that hardly has anything to do with what I said. Women are needed to lead other women and to lead children. But women don't need to lead men, men are supposed to be the leaders, and Christ is supposed to lead them.

BTW, I go to a Bible believing church, no denominations here. The priest interpretations, focus on Mary, and failure to cite the bible were the reasons I LEFT the Catholic Church!! I now belong to a ministry that doesn't preach a sermon or teach anything without citing and reading from The Bible FIRST while we all follow along and take notes. I am not following any man, I'm looking at GOD's words....

“If women ran the world we wouldn't have wars, just intense negotiations every 28 days.”

“See, the problem is that God gives men a brain and a penis, and only enough blood to run one at a time.”

robin williams

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Need to read it more! The early Christians had many female leaders. Mary, not the Mama, who was at the tomb, was one of the major leaders in the first round of leaders after Christ was crucified. It was also women who Christ revealed himself to, first, after his reported resurrection. This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about! Read it for yourself! Don't buy into some male leader of whatever branch of belief that you go to! Even in the old testament, women were chosen to be leaders when men fell down on the job. Women have always held major positions at various times. Paul even talks about the role of women elders in the church... Anyway, do more research and studying beyond what you are being fed by a male religious leader!

I NEVER said women can't be leaders...I said women shouldn't be pastors! And women shouldn't be leading men. Yes, women were leaders in the bible days, that hardly has anything to do with what I said. Women are needed to lead other women and to lead children. But women don't need to lead men, men are supposed to be the leaders, and Christ is supposed to lead them.

BTW, I go to a Bible believing church, no denominations here. The priest interpretations, focus on Mary, and failure to cite the bible were the reasons I LEFT the Catholic Church!! I now belong to a ministry that doesn't preach a sermon or teach anything without citing and reading from The Bible FIRST while we all follow along and take notes. I am not following any man, I'm looking at GOD's words....

I know what u saying D, there are some Bible versus back up what u are saying.

"Christ is the Head of The Church".....

I'm going to find those scriptures.

Not much Prince talk here = Wrong bloody forum.

No

Not.this.again.

People, please do not remotely believe this list is true.

And the only way I would "witness" to Prince is if he were open to hear what I had to say.

Astasheiks said:

"Witnessing to "the Witnesses"

By Ed Decker

It's a rare door that hasn't felt the knock of the Jehovah's Witnesses more than once and it's an even rarer Jehovah's Witness who has heard the gospel message at one of those doors from the resident Christian.

The reason is simply that it is a far from simple task to witness to a Witness. It's easier to just close the door and avoid the difficult task of sorting through a maze of confusing doctrines. Let's try to make it a bit simpler.

There are five important facts to remember about the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Organization.

1. They have accepted the Organization as the Prophet of God.
2. They have accepted the Organization as God's sole channel for His truth.
3. They believe that to reject the Organization is to reject God.
4. They believe that only the Organization can interpret the Bible; as individuals they are unable to do so.
5. They believe the Watchtower Magazine contains God's truth, directed by Him, through the Organization.

What does the Organization and Watchtower Magazine teach that is in conflict with Orthodox Christianity?

1. That Jesus is a created being/a creature.
2. That Jesus is actually Michael the Archangel
3. That Jesus was not resurrected bodily, but as a spirit being.
4. That Jesus returned invisibly in 1914 (secretly to the Organization)
5. That Jesus was only a man when on earth, not the Word Become flesh.
6. That the Holy Spirit is only an active force, not the person of God.
7. That Hell is simply the grave.
8. That Heaven's doors is open to only 144,000.
9. That the majority of Witnesses must remain on earth.
10. That salvation is found only through the Organization.
11. That it must be maintained by energetic works for the Organization until the end when one may merit eternal life on a paradise earth.
12. That Satan is the author of the doctrine of the Trinity.
13. That Jesus cannot be given worship, but only honor as Jehovah's first creation.

The Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe or teach some of the very basic tenets of Christian doctrine.

They deny what The Bible Teaches as Truth...

1. That God exists in a Trinity of three eternal and coequal persons:

Father: "To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be Saints: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ." (Romans 1:7)

Son: "Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" (John 20:28)

Holy Spirit: "Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God." (Acts 5:3,4)

"For there are three that testify" (1 John 5:7)

2. Jesus is no less than God in human flesh

"For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity

lives in bodily form" (Colossians 2:9)

3. God, the Holy Spirit, is the third member of the Holy Trinity

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," (Matt. 28:19)

"While they were worshipping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them." (Acts 13:2)

4. Jesus Christ rose bodily from the grave

"The Jews replied, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?" But the temple he had spoken of was his body." (John 2:20,21)

"Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have." (Luke 24:39)

5. Jesus is visibly coming again to set up His Kingdom on earth

"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory." (Matt. 24:30)

"But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth." (Acts 1:8)

"Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen." (Rev.1:7).

6. Salvation is in the person of Jesus Christ and comes through faith in Him.

"They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved -you and your household."(Acts 16:31).

7. It's the work of God for man, not a work of man for God

"But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior" (Titus 3:4-6).

8. Jesus was and should be worshipped

"A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" (Jn.20:26-28)

"When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh. And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route." (Matt. 2:10-12)

"Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God." (Matt. 14:33)

Witnessing to a Witness.

We need to remember that anyone who denies the full divinity of Jesus Christ and carries the heavy burden of a false, religious spirit is going through a lot of highs and lows. True believers, empowered by the companionship of God, the Holy Spirit have a constant presence of the Lord about them that seems to act like a magnet at times.

When a Watchtower member comes to your front door and you open it, what are they thinking about? What do they think when you talk about Christianity? First, it's impossible to offer them any hope of heaven

It doesn't matter what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe about Jesus. One day, every single one of them, including every leader who perpetuated this gross heresy, will have to meet the Master. On that day, "every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Whether it's at the banqueting table of joy or at the great white throne judgment of the damned, every knee will bow.

Our prayer as Christians is that God would open up the hearts and minds of these people who are ensnared in this foolishly created, man-made system and organization, as they believe the lie and try to earn their salvation through the watchtower, apart from Jesus Christ. We pray that they would come to know the triune God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, who loves us and desires that we come into a personal relationship with Him. We pray for the lost members of the Jehovah's Witnesses, people ensnared by lying leaders.

The Word of God says : "Those who guide this people mislead them, and those who are guided are led astray." (Isa. 9:16) The King James Version says that they are destroyed. What an ignoble end for a misled people who only seek to serve God. What a tragedy.

We thank God for Jesus Christ, who took our sin and nailed it to the cross and covered it with His shed blood as the infinite payment, the eternal lamb of God once for all time. We thank the Lord for the Holy Spirit, who comes and lives in us and gives us new life. To God be the honor and glory and praise.. We worship Him alone and we thank you, Lord we love you, Lord. "Father, Son and Holy Spirit."

Note from Ed: This study is excerpted from my book, Fast Facts on False Teachings, written with my friend and great Christian apologist, Dr. Ron Carlson. Our full teaching on Witnessing to the Witnesses is available there, with a special method for breaking through their wall of unbelief. This book contains the key to witnessing to 15 such false religious groups. Pick up a copy at our online bookstore today

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i consider myself a christian and i have opened my door to many JW..i would as easily for Prince or any religious person regardless of their faith. religion can be very confusing but i hope in the end we are all serving the same God!!!

Astasheikes - don't know much about the author, but I have come across many who like to challenge the witnesses simply to challenge.

The main point of our ministry is not to prove anyone wrong, but to search out those who are searching for truth in their life.

Some who we have met had collected our literature and disected it in order to find ways to make a retort to whatever point we bring up, not to seek truth.

A person who also was with some church who actually did the collecting told us that his minister was writing a book "Reasoning with Jehovah's Witnesses",

which is a spin on our aid to help us called "Reasoning with the Scriptures".

It's not for us to fight with them but if that is the point of their goals, we don't argue that, and just move on.

The preaching work is too important for us to spend time on idle arguements with those who only seek to banish the spread of the kingdom message,

the lives of those who are seaching is at stake (Matthew 28:19, 20).

Just my thoughts.

"truth in their life."

Hhhhmmm, The Truth can be found in the "Holy Bible" not in a Bible that has changed Jesus's words so to make like you all speak the Truth.

A lot of people might find it strange and even offensive, but shouldn't Christians love thy neighbour. As a member of an established Christian Denomination (Roman Catholic) and leanings towards my Jewish side, I don't agree with a lot of the Jehovah Witness philosophy, but that does not give me the right to judge them because of their beliefs.

Huggiebear said:

A lot of people might find it strange and even offensive, but shouldn't Christians love thy neighbour. As a member of an established Christian Denomination (Roman Catholic) and leanings towards my Jewish side, I don't agree with a lot of the Jehovah Witness philosophy, but that does not give me the right to judge them because of their beliefs.

I tend to agree with you there...in that GOD reveals himself to everyone. And it's not like the JW's have ill will at heart. They are truly seeking after the same GOD we all seek after. Every denomination finds a different way of doing that. And in all honesty, it's only GOD that can judge which of our actions in seeking him are just. Anyone in this day and age that is seeking out GOD and trying to live by his word is worlds ahead {spiritually speaking} of those that don't even believe at all. Either way, GOD has put his words out there for all to see and believe in, it's up to each of us what we believe and how we honor it!

Astasheiks said:

"truth in their life."

Hhhhmmm, The Truth can be found in the "Holy Bible" not in a Bible that has changed Jesus's words so to make like you all speak the Truth.

And which translation of the Bible contains "The Truth?" And whose interpretation of any scripture is "The Truth?" Different spiritual leaders choose different translations of the ancient scriptures and have different interpretations of those scriptures. As diverse human beings, people will always have different interpretations of what is considered "The Truth." No one person can, in reality, state that his/her version is the only valid interpretation. Only the higher being worshipped can decide that. Anyone claiming otherwise is making judgments they have no right to make, full of false self-righteousness and fallacious arguments. No one person can claim to have the definitive last word on the Word.

ludwig said:

Chiquetet said:

Are you a Jesuit by any chance?

http://atheism.about.com/...heist-.htm

Einstein spoke often of God. He just didn't subscribe to a particular doctrine of faith which, in the eyes of religious types, made him an atheist.

I'm am well educated guy who knows Einsteins biography by heart, and I don't need some fishy internet sources to prove that. Einstein did not believe in god.

And I'm an agnostic, because religion is only for the desperate or dumb people.

and by the way:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Religious_views

[Edited 9/17/10 5:59am]

some blithering moron said "And I'm an agnostic, because religion is only for the desperate or dumb people."

oh the irony

purplethunder3121 said:

Astasheiks said:

"truth in their life."

Hhhhmmm, The Truth can be found in the "Holy Bible" not in a Bible that has changed Jesus's words so to make like you all speak the Truth.

And which translation of the Bible contains "The Truth?" And whose interpretation of any scripture is "The Truth?" Different spiritual leaders choose different translations of the ancient scriptures and have different interpretations of those scriptures. As diverse human beings, people will always have different interpretations of what is considered "The Truth." No one person can, in reality, state that his/her version is the only valid interpretation. Only the higher being worshipped can decide that. Anyone claiming otherwise is making judgments they have no right to make, full of false self-righteousness and fallacious arguments. No one person can claim to have the definitive last word on the Word.

I agree. It's when you take scriptures and reword them entirely or add to them to make some new law allowing children to die or be molested with no consequence that it slides into the 'false' teachings of man. And how do we know just how much of the Bible has been translated according to 'man's' foolishness???

Not much can be changed about loving thy neighbor as thyself...but making up ridiculous rules that aren't even in the Bible is what makes my blood boil.

rudedog said:

What kills me is that of the major religions like Christianity, Judaism and Islam...fine they may all be mythical...but they have lasted for thousands of years. Now comes the new religions on the block like Jehovah's Witness, Mormons and Scientology....wouldn't you disregard newer religions especially since they were JUST invented within 100 years?? It never ends with religion, something new, something better and something 'right'.

Why do ppl need religion to believe in God? Especially with religious doctrine written and invented by men?

I don't believe in Rudedog....

and you are woefully misinformed/confused in your post. There's so many things wrong with it that my fingers would suffer cramps to type it...

ludwig said:

rudedog said:

What kills me is that of the major religions like Christianity, Judaism and Islam...fine they may all be mythical...but they have lasted for thousands of years. Now comes the new religions on the block like Jehovah's Witness, Mormons and Scientology....wouldn't you disregard newer religions especially since they were JUST invented within 100 years?? It never ends with religion, something new, something better and something 'right'.

Why do ppl need religion to believe in God? Especially with religious doctrine written and invented by men?

You don't have to believe in god at all. Old or new religions, it's all bullcrap anyway.

wow. Ludwig. You just got it all figured out, don't ya? Hey, I'll tell you what. Prove to me God doesn't exist and I'll stop believing. Since you say "it's all bullcrap" you must have some pretty strong evidence....oh unless you're "dumb" like you accuse religious people as being.