Chiquetet said:

HomeSquid said:

Very good contribution. For many though the probabilities are good enough to have that faith. When you combine it with the vast improbabilites of pure, brute chance it seems more reasonable to believe in "God" even if we can't hope to fully comprehend such a thing.

Thanks, and I know what you mean, although I'd suggest that faith has nothing to do with probabilities, just as there is nothing reasonable about believing in God.

Thus, when you're called to do something your mind tells you is completely unreasonable and you have faith enough to hold firm to that calling, then you're really getting somewhere.

The Bible, amongst countless other texts, is overflowing with examples of this.

I see where that somewhere is....but Scientific and Historic probabilities along with inferences to the best expanation mixed with the teleological argument are good reasons for faith so I submit there is such thing as reasonable faith in God.

Athiests strike me as unreasonable in contrast

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I hope Prince reads this thread and responds

Chiquetet said:

HomeSquid said:

Very good contribution. For many though the probabilities are good enough to have that faith. When you combine it with the vast improbabilites of pure, brute chance it seems more reasonable to believe in "God" even if we can't hope to fully comprehend such a thing.

Thanks, and I know what you mean, although I'd suggest that faith has nothing to do with probabilities, just as there is nothing reasonable about believing in God.

Thus, when you're called to do something your mind tells you is completely unreasonable and you have faith enough to hold firm to that calling, then you're really getting somewhere.

The Bible, amongst countless other texts, is overflowing with examples of this.

That line is truly beautiful and the essence of "faith" and "calling." Talk about a great line for pep talks, especially for missionary work !! Love it, I'm feeling inspired and empowered...

ZombieKitten said:

I hope Prince reads this thread and responds

Wouldn't that be something? Wonder how many people would let Prince witness to them...?

HomeSquid said:

robinhood said:

mm i find it interesting too, although some days i wonder if man really did evolve from apes.

the resemblance is uncanny in some people and i'm not talking about physical appearance either.

anyway, there's all different kinds of people in the world, i'm sure they're not ALL chest-beaters who thug about on message boards putting other people down.

maybe the ones with the least damaged gene pool have the best chance of developing their cosmic intelligence and the others will have to wait til their next life.

time to crack open another pepsi, watch nascar, scratch my ass and wait for someone else to do all the work while the planet goes to hell.

Yes the similarity between apes and man is undeniable and I have my moments where it seems so obvious we evolved from them but there's just so many problems with materialism and convincing support for Intelligent Design that I've come to accept the truth may be somewhere inbetween....possibly. Or not. Why couldn't the Creator have simple used similar patterns and parts for his different creations the way creators normally do? We are said to be "created in the image of God" so perhaps our creativity says somethng about God.

LOL..Pepsi, huh? Damn now I have a Cola craving and it's too late to drink some...well maybe caffeine free,,,, And it's also good you aren't waiting for someone else to scratch your ass while the planet goes to hell

i came to a realization last night. it doesnt matter what we believe. how we treat each other is what counts. how we treat our planet is what counts.

how we treat our children, our family, our friends, and our enemies, is what counts.

our religious or non-religious beliefs are just tools to help us get there imo. tools to help us arrive at the same place, with an acknowledgment of our humanity and equality.

what makes us all the same is that we all want the same things. happiness, peace, love, freedom etc... we're not so different really.

we can defend our own beliefs all we like, in moments of confrontation and argument, they either become the tools we use to argue with people, or the tool we use to be decent, humane beings.

none of our beliefs mean anything unless we walk our talk. our actions speak so much louder than our words.

we could all die tomorow, some of us might die as assholes, some of us wont. our beliefs certainly dont determine the quality of our hearts or our basic integrity.

we're not absolved of our faults by what we believe, but by what we do.

evolution, creationism, god or no god, it doesnt matter. we're all just pissing in the wind my friend.

give me a heart full of love and someone i can trust and i dont care what they 'believe'.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

ZombieKitten said:

I hope Prince reads this thread and responds

Wouldn't that be something? Wonder how many people would let Prince witness to them...?

when people put witness in inverted commas I think they mean BJ

HomeSquid said:

Spinlight said:

I don't think it's a right or wrong of which argument is being made but that each side is complicit with the understanding the answers.

That is to say, it is impossible to defend the topic of science to a religious person because their concepts are entirely different. They are alien to logic.

dude, some of the smartest people alive are Christians, or atleast Theists or Deists. Science and theology can go hand in hand. If I believed you'd be interested I could suggest some books by scientists who who show their religious beliefs are rational and reasonable. I agree those who say "I believe cuz the Bible says so" are not going to help win any converts...but even if they don't feel the need to have some scientific proof to believe doesn't mean that's true with all religious people....as far as logic...wouldn't u agree that if something appears to be designed and there's no other explanation it would be logical to believe someone rather than accident designed it? It takes a designer to design something (not counting things that may only appear to be designed)

Definitely.