Free2BMe said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

Hah, funny thing is I havent listened to him regularly for a while neither. A few months ago I went back and was watching a video and he was genuinely scared of a little tiny dog. At that point I really realized the poor guy definetly had some issues. That's just not an issue a grown man should have. Though don't think he ever did anything diabolical. You're sort of blind to these things when you're a big fan, it is like being in a cult.

Sorry to hear that you are still having issues. Get well soon!

Lol, thats not what I meant, but hey thanks.

LayzieKiddZ said:

Free2BMe said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

Lol, thats not what I meant, but hey thanks.

I knew exactly what you meant. I was being facetious.😏

+2 points.

I remember my sister being very sad the day that Michael Jackson died (which was also the day that Farrah Fawcett died, but with MUCH less media coverage).

My sister felt that MJ was always lonely, which made her sad.

It all stands out to me because at the time, she was in what the doctors implied as a "remission" from breast cancer, but it came back with a vengeance and she also passed away in 2009, in October.

So when I think of MJ - I think of 80s and early 90s. When I think of 2009, I think of my sister.

Can anyone above the age of 15 listen to Bad, Black or White and Heal the world with a straight face?

ThePanther said:

mjscarousal said:

Most of these posters are white and racist. They play the colorblind card to a lot of issues. They even claimed Prince did nothing for Black people. I will forever side eye that. That is how I know most here are not Black. How can you trash your idol on his own site and say he did nothing for Black people or social causes?????

Just ridiculous

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You have some serious issues. I wish you a healthful recovery.

You and the org have serious mental issues and I hope you all seek help and its disgusting that you all get a kick out of mocking death and being color blind to racial matters.

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Free2BMe said:

mjscarousal said:

Yea they mocked his passing and would post photos of his autospy and make cruel jokes about him dying. There were a lot of long time MJ fans that frequent the org that left because of that.

I have NEVER EVER seen a MJ fan on any MJ site mock Prince death, ever. Prince fans can be morons when it comes to Michael and sick sick sick. Who makes fun of death??? These are people with mental issues.

There are a lot of artists I don't like but I would NEVER mock them dying or their death. Prince fans also use to mock Whitney's death too.

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A person would have to be mentally unstable to make fun of a person's death.

I agree. The Prince fans here are mentally unstabled and they have some weird hatred toward Michael Jackson. That is why some of the regulars stopped coming here. There is no excuse and its deplorable and sick to mock someone's death. I don't care how much you dislike someone.

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ML2016 said:

Can anyone above the age of 15 listen to Bad, Black or White and Heal the world with a straight face?

Can anyone above the age of 15 listen to My Name Is Prince, Jughead and Arms of Orion with a straight face?

TrivialPursuit said:

cloveringold85 said:

Yes, it all started when MJ had 2-3rd degree burns from that Pepsi commercial. That was really terrible.

And when that video came out a few years ago, of when the hair did catch fire, and then the moments it burned, then the pain hit him, and the chaos - the way his body reacted you could tell the pain had to be in. To me, it didn't have to be the end, but he choose that to some degree.

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Personally, I feel that something drastically changed in MJ after the Pepsi accident. I'm sure he has post-traumatic disorder from it too. Then, the surgeries to his face caused even more problems, more pain, more pills, etc. Not to mention the abuse he endured from his father really damaged him. Just so very sad. And, in spite of all of that, he was still this sweet, intelligent, down-to-earth man who had a heart bigger than life and helped so many people. He was truly one of a kind.

Scorp said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, it all started when MJ had 2-3rd degree burns from that Pepsi commercial. That was really terrible. I was just reading about that the other day because it was the anniversary of his death, and they said it was the "beginning of the end for Michael", really sad to look at it that way, but that is what started his dependency/addiction with pain pills. MJ even admitted himself that he wad addicted and getting treatment, but you can see the shame in his eyes (so sad); I was just watching it on YT the other day. MJ was incredible and he is greatly missed.

that's what's been sold to the masses and current fans alike since 2009......but it's a cooked up story......now legend has it that the accident burned his hair and his face, but the burn nevered reached any area of his face.

I remember that time like it was yesterday.....

when that accident happened, yes it was scary, and yes, he, his family, fans, wasn't sure of the severity....

BUT when reports surfaced during the time of the accident, when MJ would begin the recovery process, his primary surgeon issued a public statement that was aired on TV that clearly stated that Michael did not and was not going to rely medical substance to aid in the healing process.....and withing 2-3 weeks, Michael was already ahead of schedule and attended the 84 Grammy Awards the very next month and when the audience in the auditorium and those tuning in watched that show, it was almost like that accident didn't happen, same thing w/the Victory Tour that summer, that pepsi accident became an afterthought.

That accident did not trigger whatever happened to him years later when the subject of painkillers enters the picture

Even Miko Brando, who was on the very set during the moment that Pepsi accident occurred said himself he disagreed w/that assertion......

that burn accident is not the reason he started using painkillers

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Possibly, but all his surgeries didn't help any either. I also believe he started abusing pain pills to deal with the stress and emotional pain he was under. When he died, his life was a complete mess. His estate was a damn mess and he had people working for him who lied, cheated and stole from him. People he entrusted betrayed him. I think he became paranoid and just could not trust anyone anymore. Such a sad and tragic ending.

Scorp said:

perfect timing...couldn't ask for better timing

this is real time authentic footage on the very day the accident happened

today's news media beginning in 2009 sprung forth the narrative that the sparks from the pepsi accident burned not only the back of his head, the crown of his head, but also his face also

but REAL testimony from the people who were actually involved, including his primary surgeon on the day of the accident said MJ suffered 2nd degree w/a possibility of 3rd degree burns all occuring on the back of his head........with no injuries to his face

his doctor said during that press conference, that he was in stable and in good condition, even though he was being admitted for observation......

then after he underwent the skin graft procedure, his primary surgeon issued another public statement stating Michael was adamant in not relying on any painkilling substance to aid in his recovery........

the area on the back of his head where the skin graft was applied, that was the area that could no longer grown hair......and that's probably why he started to wear the ponytail style during the Bad Era to camoflouge that setback......

the pepsi accident did not cause him to lose all his hair and forcing him to immediately start wearing wigs........that's all made up cooked up that has been pushed since 2009

that accident had nothing to do with whatever he began to use years down the line

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Yes, MJs face looks completely fine there. I think his first surgery to his face (nose) was around 1980 or so, and then he had that skin disorder. It just seems like one thing led to another and began to self-medicate himself with pain pills and he enjoyed drinking wine. MJ was done wrong by so many people and I think in the last few years of his life, all he was looking for was some relief from all his emotional pain as well.

Free2BMe said:

mjscarousal said:

Michael didn't die of a dependency, he was murdered.

You are correct. What is it with the ignorance that some are spewing. Didn't these morons listen to the FACTS from the murderer, Conrad Murray's trial. Evidence showed that there were NO drugs in Michael's system except what that bastard Murray pumped into him. Michael didn't die from a dependency. He died because Murray didn't MONITOR him while he was sedated Anyone of us would die if we were sedated and weren't properly monitored. Murray allowed too much propofol to go into Michael. He murdered Michael because of neglect. Michael thighs that his life was safe in the hands of a heart doctor. Damn!!

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Agreed. Conrad Murray and AEG are responsible for MJ's death. And, Murray claims his innocence to this day! And, he has the cajones to publish a book titled "This Is It". I saw a YT video the other day when he was talking to Dr. Oz, and you could tell Dr. Oz was getting pissed with Murray, because he knows he is incompetent and a liar!

Free2BMe said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince respected MJ, so I don't know why Prince fans would be hating on MJ. MJ and Prince were two completely different artists who loved and respected one another, from afar. What would music be like if we didn't have Prince and Michael? I grew up loving MJ and Prince's music. I will never forget my first record player, it was the cheesiest thing, with disco lights and all. And my Mom got me a few records to play and MJ's Off the Wall, 1979. I will never forget how I kept playing "Rock with you" over and over. This was around the same time I was getting into Prince's music (1979); "Wanna be your Lover", etc. Two incredibly talented artists & legends. Miss them both!

I agree with what you say. In my opinion it IS jealousy. What pisses the hell out of me is why do black people always have to pit our artists against each other? You don't see white people doing that with their singers,actors, etc. Imo, it's stupid and ignorant. We can be our own worst enemy and all it does is give others The excuse to do the same thing. Michael fans don't disrespect Prince the way Prince fans do Michael and that's the bottomline.

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I don't argue that fact that Prince fans dis on MJ fans (but I'm not one of them), LOL

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I'm not black, but I don't understand this black-on-black compeition thing. It's silly, if you ask me.

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Well, I do recall an interview with Madonna where she was asked about Lady Gaga (another white performer, as you know), and she didn't want people to compare them and seemed annoyed with the question.

mjscarousal said:

Free2BMe said:

cloveringold85 said: I agree with what you say. In my opinion it IS jealousy. What pisses the hell out of me is why do black people always have to pit our artists against each other? You don't see white people doing that with their singers,actors, etc. Imo, it's stupid and ignorant. We can be our own worst enemy and all it does is give others The excuse to do the same thing. Michael fans don't disrespect Prince the way Prince fans do Michael and that's the bottomline.

Most of these posters are white and racist. They play the colorblind card to a lot of issues. They even claimed Prince did nothing for Black people. I will forever side eye that. That is how I know most here are not Black. How can you trash your idol on his own site and say he did nothing for Black people or social causes?????

Just ridiculous

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I'm white and I'm not racist. My Mother did not raise me that way. I think it's how people were raised to think and their parents brain-washed them. Prince did in fact do a lot for black people. He loved all people. Love4OneAnother.

mjscarousal said:

Free2BMe said:

mjscarousal said: Mjscarosal, I didn't come on this site when Michael died. Do you mean these SOB's mocked Michael's death? I have never seen a single MJ fan do that when Prince died. How sad that these morons did that. Karma is a bitch isn't it!!

Yea they mocked his passing and would post photos of his autospy and make cruel jokes about him dying. There were a lot of long time MJ fans that frequent the org that left because of that.

I have NEVER EVER seen a MJ fan on any MJ site mock Prince death, ever. Prince fans can be morons when it comes to Michael and sick sick sick. Who makes fun of death??? These are people with mental issues.

There are a lot of artists I don't like but I would NEVER mock them dying or their death. Prince fans also use to mock Whitney's death too.

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I was not here at that time, but that is just terrible. Some people have no respect for the dead. People who talk like that seem to forget that they are not immortal.

LayzieKiddZ said:

ML2016 said:

Anyhoo, Me is still not convinced MJ died. I mean, was he even ever seen in the same room as Latoya? That's what I thought.

There's this, https://www.thesun.co.uk/...his-death/

But it is The Sun.

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Yea, a lot of people don't believe MJ is dead and the death scene was all staged and yadda-yadda. Some people believe there was another body/MJ impersonator who actually died, and MJ is somewhere, alive and well.

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It's been 8-years and I think we should all just let him rest in peace. MJ lived an incredible life in his short time/ 50-years on this earth. Legends never die.

Se7en said:

I remember my sister being very sad the day that Michael Jackson died (which was also the day that Farrah Fawcett died, but with MUCH less media coverage).

My sister felt that MJ was always lonely, which made her sad.

It all stands out to me because at the time, she was in what the doctors implied as a "remission" from breast cancer, but it came back with a vengeance and she also passed away in 2009, in October.

So when I think of MJ - I think of 80s and early 90s. When I think of 2009, I think of my sister.

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I'm so sorry about your loss. It was very strange how Farrah Fawcett died the same day, and the sudden death of MJ took over the airwaves.

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I agree; MJ always seemed sad and lonely. He really had no one he could trust in the end.

ML2016 said:

Can anyone above the age of 15 listen to Bad, Black or White and Heal the world with a straight face?

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Yea, not my fav MJ songs, but he had a message he wanted to put out and he cared about the world and children. I can't think of another artist who could have done that and touched so many people.

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Speaking of "Bad". Did you hear about the story when MJ wanted Prince to work with him on "Bad"? I read that Prince actually wrote it and sent it to MJ, but MJ did not use Prince's version. Now, I would really love to hear that one, LOL

cloveringold85 said:

mjscarousal said:

Most of these posters are white and racist. They play the colorblind card to a lot of issues. They even claimed Prince did nothing for Black people. I will forever side eye that. That is how I know most here are not Black. How can you trash your idol on his own site and say he did nothing for Black people or social causes?????

Just ridiculous

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I'm white and I'm not racist. My Mother did not raise me that way. I think it's how people were raised to think and their parents brain-washed them. Prince did in fact do a lot for black people. He loved all people. Love4OneAnother.

I agree. I wasn't raised racist either but given this is a site dedicated to a Black man you would think most of the posters here would be more sensitive and insightful about race relation issues and issues surrounding racism in the misic industry. Often times, most here just want to play the color blind card and that is just as bad.

mjscarousal said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm white and I'm not racist. My Mother did not raise me that way. I think it's how people were raised to think and their parents brain-washed them. Prince did in fact do a lot for black people. He loved all people. Love4OneAnother.

I agree. I wasn't raised racist either but given this is a site dedicated to a Black man you would think most of the posters here would be more sensitive and insightful about race relation issues and issues surrounding racism in the misic industry. Often times, most here just want to play the color blind card and that is just as bad.

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I wholeheartedly agree with you. Racism is not what Prince or MJ were about. They told us that through their music.

cloveringold85 said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

There's this, https://www.thesun.co.uk/...his-death/

But it is The Sun.

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Yea, a lot of people don't believe MJ is dead and the death scene was all staged and yadda-yadda. Some people believe there was another body/MJ impersonator who actually died, and MJ is somewhere, alive and well.

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It's been 8-years and I think we should all just let him rest in peace. MJ lived an incredible life in his short time/ 50-years on this earth. Legends never die.

Well, now that we've finally adressed the common sense issue of Michael Jacksons drug use, we can finally move on.

As for the death hoax thing, people are still into that? It was funny when it first showed up, but even then I don't think the majority believed that nonsense. But I agree, whats passes is passed, as long as a lesson was learned.

ML2016 said:

Can anyone above the age of 15 listen to Bad, Black or White and Heal the world with a straight face?

Lols, they are little cringe worthy in hindsight. But atleast well meaning.

Blood On The Dance Floor and History in my opinion are some of his best more evolved works, a style which he ditched completely later to be commercial.

cloveringold85 said:

Scorp said:

that's what's been sold to the masses and current fans alike since 2009......but it's a cooked up story......now legend has it that the accident burned his hair and his face, but the burn nevered reached any area of his face.

I remember that time like it was yesterday.....

when that accident happened, yes it was scary, and yes, he, his family, fans, wasn't sure of the severity....

BUT when reports surfaced during the time of the accident, when MJ would begin the recovery process, his primary surgeon issued a public statement that was aired on TV that clearly stated that Michael did not and was not going to rely medical substance to aid in the healing process.....and withing 2-3 weeks, Michael was already ahead of schedule and attended the 84 Grammy Awards the very next month and when the audience in the auditorium and those tuning in watched that show, it was almost like that accident didn't happen, same thing w/the Victory Tour that summer, that pepsi accident became an afterthought.

That accident did not trigger whatever happened to him years later when the subject of painkillers enters the picture

Even Miko Brando, who was on the very set during the moment that Pepsi accident occurred said himself he disagreed w/that assertion......

that burn accident is not the reason he started using painkillers

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Possibly, but all his surgeries didn't help any either. I also believe he started abusing pain pills to deal with the stress and emotional pain he was under. When he died, his life was a complete mess. His estate was a damn mess and he had people working for him who lied, cheated and stole from him. People he entrusted betrayed him. I think he became paranoid and just could not trust anyone anymore. Such a sad and tragic ending.

this is what I'm alluding to

that pepsi accident was an isolated event, and yes it was scary, and traumatic no doubt about it

but the real core issue is what's been avoided for over a quarter century

the reason Michael Jackson started gravitating (which to me is the more appropriate word to use rather than saying becoming addicted) towards using painkillers was because of the toll, the physical toll, then the emotional toll, then the psychological toll from the extreme levels of plastic surgery/cosmetic procedures he underwent over time in his life....that's the primary reason why he started taking them......this is when the entertainment value no longer became important.....all the other stuff is secondary....

fans wanna pin it all on Dr. Murray but should really keen on those plastic surgeons who played the most significant roll in destroying his humanity.

because if we take that out of the equation regarding his life and career, Michael Jackson would be living vibrant today enjoying his career and what he accomplished....

SoulAlive said:

Who would have ever thought that Prince and Michael Jackson would both die in a similiar way (drug-related)?!

TrivialPursuit said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

Michael Prince on MJ planning to sing live more for This Is It and his plans for an album after the shows ended

Although the album wasn't great, this song (recorded in 1994) is a bright spot on "Michael"

cloveringold85 said:

Se7en said:

I remember my sister being very sad the day that Michael Jackson died (which was also the day that Farrah Fawcett died, but with MUCH less media coverage).

My sister felt that MJ was always lonely, which made her sad.

It all stands out to me because at the time, she was in what the doctors implied as a "remission" from breast cancer, but it came back with a vengeance and she also passed away in 2009, in October.

So when I think of MJ - I think of 80s and early 90s. When I think of 2009, I think of my sister.

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I'm so sorry about your loss. It was very strange how Farrah Fawcett died the same day, and the sudden death of MJ took over the airwaves.

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I agree; MJ always seemed sad and lonely. He really had no one he could trust in the end.

Thank you for your response! Much appreciated.

I just remember growing up in the 80s when Prince was the "bad one" and MJ was the "good one". Boy, did history get that one wrong.