purple05 said:

Scorp said:

PatrickS77 said:

Who cares? He's Michael Jackson. He knew his routines. And the rest he improvises. It's the kids that needed to get up to speed. The rehearsal footage show very well, that he knew what he was doing. And really, they had 2 more weeks to go. Usually he did a full rehearsal the night before the first show.

Thats the answer I knew was coming because u cant dispute the number of rehearsals he completed in totality from March until June

It is totally irrelevant. He was rehearsing. He was getting ready. He knew what he had to do. End of story. Everything else is just cheap distraction and not worth my time.

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Like I said the org hates Michael. I think its sad. You won't ever find MJ fans disrespecting Prince like this on MJ sites. You can't even put aside your bitterness to honor the man on the day he passed without being disrespectful and ignorant.

PatrickS77 said:

ThePanther said:

I certainly feel sorry for the guy. I think he was raised in a pretty dysfunctional family, at least in terms of his father, and from about age 8 or whatever he was the main bread-winner of the family, which is never a good thing.

Being forced into show-business and having to deal with adults before his time (and watching his older brothers seduce women over and over on the road), he (over-)compensated by trying to be pubescent and child-like his entire life. Which is also not a good thing.

His death was unfortunate because he was too young, but maybe it was just as well he was put out of his misery earlier. He was a pathetic figure in his last 20 years or so.

In retrospect, he peaked artistically in about 1980.

What a sad story.

Your statement is the only pathetic thing here, not Michael. Y ou just don't know much about him. Artistically he peaked much later than 1980, more about the late 90's or early 00's.

ThePanther said:

SoulAlive said:

Oh really? so you're saying that Thriller,released two years later,represents his artistic decline?

That's correct.

That¿s pathetic really.

mjscarousal said:

Like I said the org hates Michael. I think its sad. You won't ever find MJ fans disrespecting Prince like this on MJ sites. You can't even put aside your bitterness to honor the man on the day he passed without being disrespectful and ignorant.

That's not true, quite the opposite, go to MJHIDEOUT the spanish most important fan site, most of them despise Prince as a wannabe, sad but true.

214 said:

SoulAlive said:

214 said:

That's pathetic really.

Yeah that is complete nonsense

ceritfiably insane. Thriller is one of the greatest albums Earth has ever seen

homesquid said:

SoulAlive said:

214 said: Yeah that is complete nonsense

ceritfiably insane. Thriller is one of the greatest albums Earth has ever seen

Not quite neither, but it's a very good one.

New Michael Jackson Megamix Celebrating His Long Spanned Career

Superstition said:

Scorp said:

purple05 said:

Scorp said:

If u think Im lyin Go to youtube, and pull up that O2 press conference and peep his left hand as he raises it while talking and tell me what you see [Edited 6/27/17 8:41am]

Scorp MJ was t using intravenous drugs during that time. And if you knew what you were talking about you'd know that he never received needless in his arm/hands. Well not enough to leave marks

Thank you.

mjscarousal said:

Like I said the org hates Michael. I think its sad. You won't ever find MJ fans disrespecting Prince like this on MJ sites. You can't even put aside your bitterness to honor the man on the day he passed without being disrespectful and ignorant.

Prince is usually disrespected far worse on this website

And I think MJ fans are more likely to diss Prince. No one tries to diss MJ's legacy but I see MJ fans try to shit on P all the time and try to make him out to be an outdated 'few hits wonder' type. It always becomes obvious many don't know anything about Prince except Purple Rain and 'the rivalry'

CharismaDove said:

mjscarousal said:

Like I said the org hates Michael. I think its sad. You won't ever find MJ fans disrespecting Prince like this on MJ sites. You can't even put aside your bitterness to honor the man on the day he passed without being disrespectful and ignorant.

Prince is usually disrespected far worse on this website

And I think MJ fans are more likely to diss Prince. No one tries to diss MJ's legacy but I see MJ fans try to shit on P all the time and try to make him out to be an outdated 'few hits wonder' type. It always becomes obvious many don't know anything about Prince except Purple Rain and 'the rivalry'

MJ fans never disrespectfully diss Prince on MJ sites. They never mock his death and always show him respect. Prince fans are very disrespectful toward MJ and don't listen to any of his albums after BAD.

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purple05 said:

Scorp said:

If u think Im lyin Go to youtube, and pull up that O2 press conference and peep his left hand as he raises it while talking and tell me what you see [Edited 6/27/17 8:41am]

Scorp MJ was t using intravenous drugs during that time. And if you knew what you were talking about you'd know that he never received needless in his arm/hands. Well not enough to leave marks

I said nothing about IV drugs or intravenous use or any of that in any of my previous posts

I specifically mentioned the day of his press conference during March of 2009, he had puncture marks in his hands, if fans are going to try and convince themselves that wasn't the case and say he did not have them, then they are fooling themselves......all a fan has to do is look at the clip of that day for themselves

214 said:

ThePanther said:

I certainly feel sorry for the guy. I think he was raised in a pretty dysfunctional family, at least in terms of his father, and from about age 8 or whatever he was the main bread-winner of the family, which is never a good thing.

Being forced into show-business and having to deal with adults before his time (and watching his older brothers seduce women over and over on the road), he (over-)compensated by trying to be pubescent and child-like his entire life. Which is also not a good thing.

His death was unfortunate because he was too young, but maybe it was just as well he was put out of his misery earlier. He was a pathetic figure in his last 20 years or so.

In retrospect, he peaked artistically in about 1980.

What a sad story.

Your statement is the only pathetic thing here, not Michael. Y ou just don't know much about him. Artistically he peaked much later than 1980, more about the late 90's or early 00's.

Thanks for telling me how much I know.

Do you seriously think Michael Jackson peaked in the late-90s or early-00s? If you do, you may be the only person on Earth who thinks that. But I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning on it, if you deign to talk down to one who knows as little as I do.

PatrickS77 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

There is a lot of truth in that. I agree. Plus, we've seen memos and emails among people at AEG and whoever, saying he wasn't in shape, they were worried because he seemed frail. Even MJ said he wasn't ready to do them or wasn't up to the task fully. As much money as MJ's made, and as brilliant of music that he's produced, it really cooks my noodle to think he was so easily manipulated. I don't think he was a pushover by any means. He certainly did what he wanted in life, and lived it his own way. But I have to tilt my head a bit to the side when I see certain things he agreed to do, or actually did.

He certainly would have been better off just making a record, doing some great videos, maybe a few appearances on shows (like a Grammys, BET, or AMA performance) here and there, and just let it be. That's a 9-5 job, opposed to the touring life. A residency at the 02 was really ambitious, and while MJs has taken on ambitious things before, at near 50, it wasn't for him. Vegas residency? Who knows - could have been a nice middle ground, really. But someone like MJ playing a 4000 seat room? The ticket sales alone would have been bonkers.

The press conference: There's a telling moment (among many), when he said, "This is it, the final curtain". Not as an omen to death or anything. But the way he tilted his head, raised his eyebrow, kinda sucked his teeth... it was almost like "here's hopin'". It would have been nice to see it done, but that might have killed him too. Or it would have been plagued with canceled shows, tech issues, whatever.

I'm not sure how I feel about Kenny Ortega around him. They've certainly worked together a lot in the past. But he was either being very respectful to MJ, or really kissing his ass to keep his paycheck coming in. It all sorta angers me.

Sorry. That's a whole lot of bullshit. If his doctor hadn't killed him, he would have cruised through those shows. Any doubt he or anyone else might have had, would have been swept away during the first night he stood in front of the first 20,000 out of his 1,000,000 fans, who bought tickets.

Yeah I don't think he was as healthy as he was made out to be. Healthier than the average 50 year old man, yes, but not too great off at the end there. By age 30 he already had the face of man who does a lot of drugs, and you can tell by the way his face sinks in, complexion and other things that he was a definite drug user and in bad shape in terms of that. Though his body and physical health had not deteriorated by then. He definetly had the face of a drug user.

Which you can't blame, often people who become the most drug dependent are those who actually need them, especially after his accident. Same happened to Prince later on in life for his hip most likely.

Compare him to someone like Prince at 50, who radiated youth. And still was muscular and had a glint of youthfulness in his eyes.

Plus, I don't think he could've did all that dancing, he obviously couldnt like he used to. Which I think he shouldve have toned it down and done ACTUAL live singing to compensate, and not lip synching. The worst thing Michael Jackson ever did in his career was lip sync, because he's such a good male singer, it always irks me when I watch performances of him doing it, it's practically robbery and wasting talent. If you're a singer, sing, no one will be mad at you.

mjscarousal said:

CharismaDove said:

Prince is usually disrespected far worse on this website

And I think MJ fans are more likely to diss Prince. No one tries to diss MJ's legacy but I see MJ fans try to shit on P all the time and try to make him out to be an outdated 'few hits wonder' type. It always becomes obvious many don't know anything about Prince except Purple Rain and 'the rivalry'

MJ fans never disrespectfully diss Prince on MJ sites. They never mock his death and always show him respect. Prince fans are very disrespectful toward MJ and don't listen to any of his albums after BAD.

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Let's put it this way: If someone makes a Kcool styled post glorifying Prince with the Princebonics and MJ-bashing, a good number of P fans are logical enough to set it straight. A lot of MJ fans are so wrapped up in the man only that I can't see them sticking up for Prince. A lot of his fans, on some scary shit, are beyond Beyonces fans when it comes to fanaticism.

Anybody who doesn't fuck with History or Blood on the Dancefloor is missing out

ThePanther said:

Do you seriously think Michael Jackson peaked in the late-90s or early-00s? If you do, you may be the only person on Earth who thinks that.

and you may be the only person on the planet who thinks that the Thriller album and classic songs like "Billie Jean" represent Michael's artistic decline

MJs so fucking iconic. Anybody else gonna cop the Supreme x MJ collection? Ive been eying it for a minute

MJ's death was profioundly saddening on so many levels. He was a magical talent and signature artist. His songs were and are a soundtrack for my life, year round.

There are deeply disturbing elements to his life. Those can't be avoided.

But the problems that led to his death were tragic.

Overally, he never got the help he so desperately needed.

I still remember the day he died, sadly. I hope he, and all who were inspired or affected by him (positively or negatively), can find peace and closure.

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CharismaDove said:

mjscarousal said:

MJ fans never disrespectfully diss Prince on MJ sites. They never mock his death and always show him respect. Prince fans are very disrespectful toward MJ and don't listen to any of his albums after BAD.

[Edited 6/27/17 23:28pm]

Let's put it this way: If someone makes a Kcool styled post glorifying Prince with the Princebonics and MJ-bashing, a good number of P fans are logical enough to set it straight. A lot of MJ fans are so wrapped up in the man only that I can't see them sticking up for Prince. A lot of his fans, on some scary shit, are beyond Beyonces fans when it comes to fanaticism.

Anybody who doesn't fuck with History or Blood on the Dancefloor is missing out

I think your missing my point. Prince fans are very cruel and nasty when it comes Michael. They have mocked his death (this is sick behavior). I have NEVER seen a MJ fan mock or make fun of Prince dying the way Prince fans do to MJ. No, the Prince fans on scary shit, like who does that? The fact that you are excusing this behavior is...creepy.

mjscarousal said:

CharismaDove said:

Let's put it this way: If someone makes a Kcool styled post glorifying Prince with the Princebonics and MJ-bashing, a good number of P fans are logical enough to set it straight. A lot of MJ fans are so wrapped up in the man only that I can't see them sticking up for Prince. A lot of his fans, on some scary shit, are beyond Beyonces fans when it comes to fanaticism.

Anybody who doesn't fuck with History or Blood on the Dancefloor is missing out

I think your missing my point. Prince fans are very cruel and nasty when it comes Michael. They have mocked his death (this is sick behavior). I have NEVER seen a MJ fan mock or make fun of Prince dying the way Prince fans do to MJ. No, the Prince fans on scary shit, like who does that? The fact that you are excusing this behavior is...creepy.

That is pretty fucked up, I haven't seen anything like that but yeah that's wrong. I guess Prince fans are more cruel while MJ fans are more ignorant of other artists outside MJ

CharismaDove said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

SoulAlive said:

Who would have ever thought that Prince and Michael Jackson would both die in a similiar way (drug-related)?!

I never would have imagined.

But apparently their dependencies slowly crept up on them over time.