namepeace said:

SoulAlive said:

Who would have ever thought that Prince and Michael Jackson would both die in a similiar way (drug-related)?!

I never would have imagined.

But apparently their dependencies slowly crept up on them over time.

yeah and it's so tragic and sad

purple05 said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

Yeah I don't think he was as healthy as he was made out to be. Healthier than the average 50 year old man, yes, but not too great off at the end there. By age 30 he already had the face of man who does a lot of drugs, and you can tell by the way his face sinks in, complexion and other things that he was a definite drug user and in bad shape in terms of that. Though his body and physical health had not deteriorated by then. He definetly had the face of a drug user.

Which you can't blame, often people who become the most drug dependent are those who actually need them, especially after his accident. Same happened to Prince later on in life for his hip most likely.

Compare him to someone like Prince at 50, who radiated youth. And still was muscular and had a glint of youthfulness in his eyes.

Plus, I don't think he could've did all that dancing, he obviously couldnt like he used to. Which I think he shouldve have toned it down and done ACTUAL live singing to compensate, and not lip synching. The worst thing Michael Jackson ever did in his career was lip sync, because he's such a good male singer, it always irks me when I watch performances of him doing it, it's practically robbery and wasting talent. If you're a singer, sing, no one will be mad at you.

He had the face of a drug user? Lol He didn't develop a dependency issue until 93. As for his cheekbones, MJ had high cheekbones was 5'10 and weighed under 120 pounds. He was too damn small and needed more weight. There was a time in the early 00s where he was much larger with a fuller face but he was definitely having drug issues then.

Yeah, you can tell when someone uses a certain type of drug. It's not anything complex.

If you're thin, you still wouldn't look the way he did after a certain period. Your face would essentially look plastered to your skull, almost ironed out if you're healthy and thin.

His face was pitted, gaunt, with a terrible complexion, regardless of weight, which is a sign that your body is working hard elsewhere. During 00's it's dramatically worse, even with weight.

None of his bothers are like that.

namepeace said:

SoulAlive said:

Who would have ever thought that Prince and Michael Jackson would both die in a similiar way (drug-related)?!

I never would have imagined.

But apparently their dependencies slowly crept up on them over time.

Not nitpicking, but I did want to clarify something on that statement. MJ's dependency didn't creep up on him. When the Pepsi commercial incident happened, that's when he became addicted. The pain relievers were strong and appealed to him. Now, whether he got off them at times, or just tapered it enough to work on an album and on a tour is unknown. But he seemed to have a routine down with them. The things found near his bed when he died sounds like stuff a 90-year-old man or woman would have to help them along. It was very bizarre, and I think it probably wasn't the first time his bedroom had such a setup.

Prince would have been tinkering with Vicodin (according to Mayte's book and that her pills kept disappearing sometimes while married to him) sometime in the 90s. We know on April 21, 1995 he had an E.R. moment as well. While I don't think he was in hip pain back then, I do think the stress of his WB fight drove him to drink and take some pills on occasion. It's odd since he would ding the Revolution's pay if they had a beer or something. A band member once told me "Lisa loved her cigarettes and Heineken". Meaning, it was her down time fodder. Others enjoyed some weed on occasion. Prince had such a façade of purity, yet he wasn't. He hid it really well. Prince would have never padded his way to a courthouse dazed out of his mind, in pajama pants and a jacket.

I would have never imagined either dying by some sort of drug overdose or similar.

If anything, it shows us that even our biggest musical heroes are truly just human. They poop, they eat, they fart, they burp, they brush their teeth - everything just like the rest of us.

Hard to believe he's been gone eight years; I will never forget that horrible day. Michael Jackson was one of the greatest entertainers of our time; he will always be loved and never forgotten. He paved the way for many artists who came after him. He was a beautiful soul. All he wanted was to love and be loved in return and sadly, he did not receive that. He did not deserve the cards he was dealt in life. He loved his fans and that is what kept him going. It was a sad and tragic ending, and it didn't have to happen. Legends never die.

TrivialPursuit said:

namepeace said:

I never would have imagined.

But apparently their dependencies slowly crept up on them over time.

Not nitpicking, but I did want to clarify something on that statement. MJ's dependency didn't creep up on him. When the Pepsi commercial incident happened, that's when he became addicted. The pain relievers were strong and appealed to him. Now, whether he got off them at times, or just tapered it enough to work on an album and on a tour is unknown. But he seemed to have a routine down with them. The things found near his bed when he died sounds like stuff a 90-year-old man or woman would have to help them along. It was very bizarre, and I think it probably wasn't the first time his bedroom had such a setup.

Prince would have been tinkering with Vicodin (according to Mayte's book and that her pills kept disappearing sometimes while married to him) sometime in the 90s. We know on April 21, 1995 he had an E.R. moment as well. While I don't think he was in hip pain back then, I do think the stress of his WB fight drove him to drink and take some pills on occasion. It's odd since he would ding the Revolution's pay if they had a beer or something. A band member once told me "Lisa loved her cigarettes and Heineken". Meaning, it was her down time fodder. Others enjoyed some weed on occasion. Prince had such a façade of purity, yet he wasn't. He hid it really well. Prince would have never padded his way to a courthouse dazed out of his mind, in pajama pants and a jacket.

I would have never imagined either dying by some sort of drug overdose or similar.

If anything, it shows us that even our biggest musical heroes are truly just human. They poop, they eat, they fart, they burp, they brush their teeth - everything just like the rest of us.

It's pretty lame that Prince went due to drugs. I suspect around mid 00's is when he started really depending on them or using them. All lyrics that are anti-drug stopped right after 2002ish.

"Like smoking pot? I think not"

"Prince gon' get you high"

I always viewed Prince as one of the prime examples of being awesome without drugs. Kind of a bummer, but it seems he wasn't using them for the majority of his career.

Michael Jackson himself looked like he was really doing good in the mid to late 90's. He didn't look like he was on drugs, and had a lot of energy/positive attitude. He probably dropped the drugs because of his happyness of his new kids for a period.

mjscarousal said:

Like I said the org hates Michael. I think its sad. You won't ever find MJ fans disrespecting Prince like this on MJ sites. You can't even put aside your bitterness to honor the man on the day he passed without being disrespectful and ignorant.

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Prince respected MJ, so I don't know why Prince fans would be hating on MJ. MJ and Prince were two completely different artists who loved and respected one another, from afar. What would music be like if we didn't have Prince and Michael? I grew up loving MJ and Prince's music. I will never forget my first record player, it was the cheesiest thing, with disco lights and all. And my Mom got me a few records to play and MJ's Off the Wall, 1979. I will never forget how I kept playing "Rock with you" over and over. This was around the same time I was getting into Prince's music (1979); "Wanna be your Lover", etc. Two incredibly talented artists & legends. Miss them both!

TrivialPursuit said:

namepeace said:

I never would have imagined.

But apparently their dependencies slowly crept up on them over time.

Not nitpicking, but I did want to clarify something on that statement. MJ's dependency didn't creep up on him. When the Pepsi commercial incident happened, that's when he became addicted. The pain relievers were strong and appealed to him. Now, whether he got off them at times, or just tapered it enough to work on an album and on a tour is unknown. But he seemed to have a routine down with them. The things found near his bed when he died sounds like stuff a 90-year-old man or woman would have to help them along. It was very bizarre, and I think it probably wasn't the first time his bedroom had such a setup.

Prince would have been tinkering with Vicodin (according to Mayte's book and that her pills kept disappearing sometimes while married to him) sometime in the 90s. We know on April 21, 1995 he had an E.R. moment as well. While I don't think he was in hip pain back then, I do think the stress of his WB fight drove him to drink and take some pills on occasion. It's odd since he would ding the Revolution's pay if they had a beer or something. A band member once told me "Lisa loved her cigarettes and Heineken". Meaning, it was her down time fodder. Others enjoyed some weed on occasion. Prince had such a façade of purity, yet he wasn't. He hid it really well. Prince would have never padded his way to a courthouse dazed out of his mind, in pajama pants and a jacket.

I would have never imagined either dying by some sort of drug overdose or similar.

If anything, it shows us that even our biggest musical heroes are truly just human. They poop, they eat, they fart, they burp, they brush their teeth - everything just like the rest of us.

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Yes, it all started when MJ had 2-3rd degree burns from that Pepsi commercial. That was really terrible. I was just reading about that the other day because it was the anniversary of his death, and they said it was the "beginning of the end for Michael", really sad to look at it that way, but that is what started his dependency/addiction with pain pills. MJ even admitted himself that he wad addicted and getting treatment, but you can see the shame in his eyes (so sad); I was just watching it on YT the other day. MJ was incredible and he is greatly missed.

cloveringold85 said:

Yes, it all started when MJ had 2-3rd degree burns from that Pepsi commercial. That was really terrible.

And when that video came out a few years ago, of when the hair did catch fire, and then the moments it burned, then the pain hit him, and the chaos - the way his body reacted you could tell the pain had to be in. To me, it didn't have to be the end, but he choose that to some degree.

cloveringold85 said:

mjscarousal said:

Like I said the org hates Michael. I think its sad. You won't ever find MJ fans disrespecting Prince like this on MJ sites. You can't even put aside your bitterness to honor the man on the day he passed without being disrespectful and ignorant.

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Prince respected MJ, so I don't know why Prince fans would be hating on MJ. MJ and Prince were two completely different artists who loved and respected one another, from afar. What would music be like if we didn't have Prince and Michael? I grew up loving MJ and Prince's music. I will never forget my first record player, it was the cheesiest thing, with disco lights and all. And my Mom got me a few records to play and MJ's Off the Wall, 1979. I will never forget how I kept playing "Rock with you" over and over. This was around the same time I was getting into Prince's music (1979); "Wanna be your Lover", etc. Two incredibly talented artists & legends. Miss them both!

Yes I love them both too and miss them as well I don't know why Prince fans hate Michael either. I think it has to do with them being jealous and bitter of MJs success and talent.

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namepeace said:

SoulAlive said:

Who would have ever thought that Prince and Michael Jackson would both die in a similiar way (drug-related)?!

I never would have imagined.

But apparently their dependencies slowly crept up on them over time.

Michael didn't die of a dependency, he was murdered.

cloveringold85 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Not nitpicking, but I did want to clarify something on that statement. MJ's dependency didn't creep up on him. When the Pepsi commercial incident happened, that's when he became addicted. The pain relievers were strong and appealed to him. Now, whether he got off them at times, or just tapered it enough to work on an album and on a tour is unknown. But he seemed to have a routine down with them. The things found near his bed when he died sounds like stuff a 90-year-old man or woman would have to help them along. It was very bizarre, and I think it probably wasn't the first time his bedroom had such a setup.

Prince would have been tinkering with Vicodin (according to Mayte's book and that her pills kept disappearing sometimes while married to him) sometime in the 90s. We know on April 21, 1995 he had an E.R. moment as well. While I don't think he was in hip pain back then, I do think the stress of his WB fight drove him to drink and take some pills on occasion. It's odd since he would ding the Revolution's pay if they had a beer or something. A band member once told me "Lisa loved her cigarettes and Heineken". Meaning, it was her down time fodder. Others enjoyed some weed on occasion. Prince had such a façade of purity, yet he wasn't. He hid it really well. Prince would have never padded his way to a courthouse dazed out of his mind, in pajama pants and a jacket.

I would have never imagined either dying by some sort of drug overdose or similar.

If anything, it shows us that even our biggest musical heroes are truly just human. They poop, they eat, they fart, they burp, they brush their teeth - everything just like the rest of us.

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Yes, it all started when MJ had 2-3rd degree burns from that Pepsi commercial. That was really terrible. I was just reading about that the other day because it was the anniversary of his death, and they said it was the "beginning of the end for Michael", really sad to look at it that way, but that is what started his dependency/addiction with pain pills. MJ even admitted himself that he wad addicted and getting treatment, but you can see the shame in his eyes (so sad); I was just watching it on YT the other day. MJ was incredible and he is greatly missed.

that's what's been sold to the masses and current fans alike since 2009......but it's a cooked up story......now legend has it that the accident burned his hair and his face, but the burn nevered reached any area of his face.

I remember that time like it was yesterday.....

when that accident happened, yes it was scary, and yes, he, his family, fans, wasn't sure of the severity....

BUT when reports surfaced during the time of the accident, when MJ would begin the recovery process, his primary surgeon issued a public statement that was aired on TV that clearly stated that Michael did not and was not going to rely medical substance to aid in the healing process.....and withing 2-3 weeks, Michael was already ahead of schedule and attended the 84 Grammy Awards the very next month and when the audience in the auditorium and those tuning in watched that show, it was almost like that accident didn't happen, same thing w/the Victory Tour that summer, that pepsi accident became an afterthought.

That accident did not trigger whatever happened to him years later when the subject of painkillers enters the picture

Even Miko Brando, who was on the very set during the moment that Pepsi accident occurred said himself he disagreed w/that assertion......

that burn accident is not the reason he started using painkillers

perfect timing...couldn't ask for better timing

this is real time authentic footage on the very day the accident happened

today's news media beginning in 2009 sprung forth the narrative that the sparks from the pepsi accident burned not only the back of his head, the crown of his head, but also his face also

but REAL testimony from the people who were actually involved, including his primary surgeon on the day of the accident said MJ suffered 2nd degree w/a possibility of 3rd degree burns all occuring on the back of his head........with no injuries to his face

his doctor said during that press conference, that he was in stable and in good condition, even though he was being admitted for observation......

then after he underwent the skin graft procedure, his primary surgeon issued another public statement stating Michael was adamant in not relying on any painkilling substance to aid in his recovery........

the area on the back of his head where the skin graft was applied, that was the area that could no longer grown hair......and that's probably why he started to wear the ponytail style during the Bad Era to camoflouge that setback......

the pepsi accident did not cause him to lose all his hair and forcing him to immediately start wearing wigs........that's all made up cooked up that has been pushed since 2009

that accident had nothing to do with whatever he began to use years down the line

mjscarousal said:

Michael Jackson definetly did drugs, and he was most likely murdered on top of that. You don't end up in his position overnight.

Free2BMe said:

mjscarousal said:

Michael didn't die of a dependency, he was murdered.

You are correct. What is it with the ignorance that some are spewing. Didn't these morons listen to the FACTS from the murderer, Conrad Murray's trial. Evidence showed that there were NO drugs in Michael's system except what that bastard Murray pumped into him. Michael didn't die from a dependency. He died because Murray didn't MONITOR him while he was sedated Anyone of us would die if we were sedated and weren't properly monitored. Murray allowed too much propofol to go into Michael. He murdered Michael because of neglect. Michael thighs that his life was safe in the hands of a heart doctor. Damn!!

They didn't read the autospy report nor watch the trial. They hate MJ and don't know all the specifcs. This is the same site that mocked his death, I don't take these people seriously. They want any excuse to slander MJ. MJ died at the hands of a negligent and incompetent doctor not because of a dependency or addiction. He didn't kill himself, someone killed him.

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cloveringold85 said:

Free2BMe said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince respected MJ, so I don't know why Prince fans would be hating on MJ. MJ and Prince were two completely different artists who loved and respected one another, from afar. What would music be like if we didn't have Prince and Michael? I grew up loving MJ and Prince's music. I will never forget my first record player, it was the cheesiest thing, with disco lights and all. And my Mom got me a few records to play and MJ's Off the Wall, 1979. I will never forget how I kept playing "Rock with you" over and over. This was around the same time I was getting into Prince's music (1979); "Wanna be your Lover", etc. Two incredibly talented artists & legends. Miss them both!

I agree with what you say. In my opinion it IS jealousy. What pisses the hell out of me is why do black people always have to pit our artists against each other? You don't see white people doing that with their singers,actors, etc. Imo, it's stupid and ignorant. We can be our own worst enemy and all it does is give others The excuse to do the same thing. Michael fans don't disrespect Prince the way Prince fans do Michael and that's the bottomline.

Most of these posters are white and racist. They play the colorblind card to a lot of issues. They even claimed Prince did nothing for Black people. I will forever side eye that. That is how I know most here are not Black. How can you trash your idol on his own site and say he did nothing for Black people or social causes?????

Just ridiculous

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LayzieKiddZ said:

mjscarousal said:

Free2BMe said:

mjscarousal said:

They didn't read the autospy report nor watch the trial. They hate MJ and don't know all the specifcs. This is the same site that mocked his death, I don't take these people seriously. They want any excuse to slander MJ. MJ died at the hands of a negligent and incompetent doctor not because of a dependency or addiction. He didn't kill himself, someone killed him.

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Mjscarosal, I didn't come on this site when Michael died. Do you mean these SOB's mocked Michael's death? I have never seen a single MJ fan do that when Prince died. How sad that these morons did that. Karma is a bitch isn't it!!

Yea they mocked his passing and would post photos of his autospy and make cruel jokes about him dying. There were a lot of long time MJ fans that frequent the org that left because of that.

I have NEVER EVER seen a MJ fan on any MJ site mock Prince death, ever. Prince fans can be morons when it comes to Michael and sick sick sick. Who makes fun of death??? These are people with mental issues.

There are a lot of artists I don't like but I would NEVER mock them dying or their death. Prince fans also use to mock Whitney's death too.

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mjscarousal said:

TrivialPursuit said:

If anything, it shows us that even our biggest musical heroes are truly just human. They poop, they eat, they fart, they burp, they brush their teeth - everything just like the rest of us.

I am not entirely convinced that Prince farted.

mjscarousal said:

Most of these posters are white and racist. They play the colorblind card to a lot of issues. They even claimed Prince did nothing for Black people. I will forever side eye that. That is how I know most here are not Black. How can you trash your idol on his own site and say he did nothing for Black people or social causes?????

Just ridiculous

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You have some serious issues. I wish you a healthful recovery.

Free2BMe said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

Michael Jackson definetly did drugs, and he was most likely murdered on top of that. You don't end up in his position overnight.

Michael admitted that he became dependent on pain killers. However, from the autopsy report , the coroner said that there were no drugs in his system , except what Murray pumped into him. Are you saying that you believe the coroner's reports on Prince, Whitney, and everyone else; but, not Michael? You said Michael was probably murdered, YES! He was murdered by Conrad Murray. It had #%^* to do with a dependency. It amazes me how some of you seem to want Michael to be an addict". Btw,you speak of Michael's appearance as if that is the sign of an addict. Michael had other medical problems;therefore, that added to his appearance. FTR, I would never in a million years thought that Prince was addicted to the lethal drug that killed him, he didn't look like an addict. So, your premise about Michael's apperance doesn't make him a drug addict. [Edited 6/29/17 0:16am]

I dont know why you're having such a dramatic reaction. I never said any of that and practically agreed.

Also you do realize, the drugs he had in him to sleep were drugs, right. You can abuse sleeping pills/drugs to get a high, it's common knowledge. The man clearly was addicted to opiates, you know, painkillers/heroin/morphine. That's why he made a song called "Morphine".

ThePanther said:

mjscarousal said:

Most of these posters are white and racist. They play the colorblind card to a lot of issues. They even claimed Prince did nothing for Black people. I will forever side eye that. That is how I know most here are not Black. How can you trash your idol on his own site and say he did nothing for Black people or social causes?????

Just ridiculous

[Edited 6/29/17 0:13am]

You have some serious issues. I wish you a healthful recovery.

lol'd

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[Edited 6/30/17 9:55am]

Anyhoo, Me is still not convinced MJ died. I mean, was he even ever seen in the same room as Latoya? That's what I thought.

ML2016 said:

ThePanther said:

I am not entirely convinced that Prince farted.

On the other hand, I can definitely imagine MJ farting. Big time.

Anyway, I used to be a MJ hardcore fan. For some years, he was my life and consumed every single second of it. I was heavily depressed which probably propelled the fanatic-like fandom. I was one of his biggest fans on Earth. Just a year ago, I became a fan again for, what, 3 months. I am no longer a MJ fan and he is associated with the darkest period of my life. Now I realize how wrong I was. I defended him over ANYTHING. I saw nothing wrong with a man sharing his bed one-on-one with boys every single night. I actually thought he was attractive, his musicianship Mozart-like and his childish behaviour as a proof of his pure, angel-like nature. He was some sort of God and that is exactly how he was treated inside the Michaelmania bubble. It was really like being in a cult. I was sucked into it due to my weak emotional state and what I saw, I now realize, was weird. I can now analyze things in an objective way. Up until the Thriller-era MJ was the greatest entertainer on Earth. His music was brilliant and he was a charming, fascinating and lovable human being. From then on, it's better not to comment. When he died I cried and was in a transe- even denial- for some days.

Hah, funny thing is I havent listened to him regularly for a while neither. A few months ago I went back and was watching a video and he was genuinely scared of a little tiny dog. At that point I really realized the poor guy definetly had some issues. That's just not an issue a grown man should have. Though don't think he ever did anything diabolical. You're sort of blind to these things when you're a big fan, it is like being in a cult.

ML2016 said:

Anyhoo, Me is still not convinced MJ died. I mean, was he even ever seen in the same room as Latoya? That's what I thought.

There's this, https://www.thesun.co.uk/...his-death/

But it is The Sun.

LayzieKiddZ said: