NaughtyKitty said:

If lawyers cant find unbiased prospective jurors for this trial, will that mean the trial wont be able to go forward?

Prospective jurors voice anti-Jackson opinions

By LINDA DEUTSCH | Associated Press – Fri, Apr 19, 2013

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Lawyers in the wrongful death lawsuit brought by Michael Jackson's mother began using challenges to reject prospective jurors Friday but were confronted with a new set of panelists who had strong opinions critical of the superstar singer.

The search was to continue Monday for jurors who could be impartial toward Jackson and AEG, the company that promoted Jackson's ill-fated "This is It" concert.

No sooner had the attorneys excused two panelists for bias and used five of their 16 peremptory challenges to remove others without stating a cause than they were confronted with new problems.

One man said he had formed a strong opinion that Jackson was responsible for his own death.

"He was a weird person, too eccentric," he said when asked his opinion of Jackson as a person.

The jury candidate, an attorney, said he had heard that Jackson took strong narcotics to sleep.

"So you had a strong opinion that Michael Jackson caused his own death by taking strong narcotics?" asked Mrs. Jackson's attorney, Brian Panish.

"Yes," said the man. "...That's my opinion, not the facts, based on what I heard." He said he learned most of what he knew about the case from the Internet.

"I don't think I could be impartial," he said.

Another prospective juror who is the son of a doctor said he had a strong bias against Jackson and thought that Dr. Conrad Murray was not at fault in the superstar's death. He said he knew that Murray had been convicted of involuntary manslaughter for giving Jackson an overdose of the anesthetic propofol.

"I don't believe Dr. Murray did anything wrong," said the man. "People take prescription drugs on their own. There may be some responsibility by Michael Jackson himself."

The man said he is also biased against people who seek large monetary awards in lawsuits involving doctors. He said his late father was an orthopedic surgeon and told him about the pitfalls of malpractice claims against physicians.

Mrs. Jackson's lawsuit claims AEG hired Dr. Conrad Murray as Jackson's physician without checking his credentials. Murray was later convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the death of the superstar.

Attorneys said outside court that the jury selection process could stretch through next week.

http://news.yahoo.com/pro...59596.html

This is why this trial sucks. The Jacksons and their lawyers are not going to be able to convince 12 jurors that AEG was responsible for MJ's death. That is why all this "MJ was a raving drug addict" talk from their side is so infuriating.

And reading the reports, it seems no one wants to be on this jury. And as sad as it is reading these prospective jurors be so negative against MJ, it does make me happy seeing the word frivolous also being mentioned alot by these prospective jurors.

I mean, MJ was this raving drug addict, but he was going to earn 40 billion? LOL

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mookie said:

NaughtyKitty said:

If lawyers cant find unbiased prospective jurors for this trial, will that mean the trial wont be able to go forward?

Prospective jurors voice anti-Jackson opinions

By LINDA DEUTSCH | Associated Press – Fri, Apr 19, 2013

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Lawyers in the wrongful death lawsuit brought by Michael Jackson's mother began using challenges to reject prospective jurors Friday but were confronted with a new set of panelists who had strong opinions critical of the superstar singer.

The search was to continue Monday for jurors who could be impartial toward Jackson and AEG, the company that promoted Jackson's ill-fated "This is It" concert.

No sooner had the attorneys excused two panelists for bias and used five of their 16 peremptory challenges to remove others without stating a cause than they were confronted with new problems.

One man said he had formed a strong opinion that Jackson was responsible for his own death.

"He was a weird person, too eccentric," he said when asked his opinion of Jackson as a person.

The jury candidate, an attorney, said he had heard that Jackson took strong narcotics to sleep.

"So you had a strong opinion that Michael Jackson caused his own death by taking strong narcotics?" asked Mrs. Jackson's attorney, Brian Panish.

"Yes," said the man. "...That's my opinion, not the facts, based on what I heard." He said he learned most of what he knew about the case from the Internet.

"I don't think I could be impartial," he said.

Another prospective juror who is the son of a doctor said he had a strong bias against Jackson and thought that Dr. Conrad Murray was not at fault in the superstar's death. He said he knew that Murray had been convicted of involuntary manslaughter for giving Jackson an overdose of the anesthetic propofol.

"I don't believe Dr. Murray did anything wrong," said the man. "People take prescription drugs on their own. There may be some responsibility by Michael Jackson himself."

The man said he is also biased against people who seek large monetary awards in lawsuits involving doctors. He said his late father was an orthopedic surgeon and told him about the pitfalls of malpractice claims against physicians.

Mrs. Jackson's lawsuit claims AEG hired Dr. Conrad Murray as Jackson's physician without checking his credentials. Murray was later convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the death of the superstar.

Attorneys said outside court that the jury selection process could stretch through next week.

http://news.yahoo.com/pro...59596.html

This is why this trial sucks. The Jacksons and their lawyers are not going to be able to convince 12 jurors that AEG was responsible for MJ's death. That is why all this "MJ was a raving drug addict" talk from their side is so infuriating.

And reading the reports, it seems no one wants to be on this jury. And as sad as it is reading these prospective jurors be so negative against MJ, it does make me happy seeing the word frivolous also being mentioned alot by these prospective jurors.

I mean, MJ was this raving drug addict, but he was going to earn 40 billion? LOL

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Hi, I am new in here. I did want to say how informed you guys are and it is enjoyable to read your posts, I came from another site and they always go with the same ole stuff they hear from the tabloids. I think that this trial maybe or maybe not a waste of time. I would want to know they if they (jurors) find this frivolous then what could it have been that the judge wanted it to go forward? Is it something that Prince said or strictly from the emails? I doubt that this trial will reveal anything more than what we have already heard. The Jacksons are indeed shameful when you would put money before true justice for Michael.

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I feel so old!

I remember watching this on TV!

My sister went to this show and she was so certain that The Victory Tour wouldn't live up to it that she didn't even bother to go (Plus it was a stadium show. We don't do those).

But it's bittersweet. It was such a more innocent period for him and the brothers. They all seemed so happy especially Michael before he crossed over in a massive way. Notice how his live show audience was still quite segregated at that time.

CynicKill said:

I feel so old!

I remember watching this on TV!

My sister went to this show and she was so certain that The Victory Tour wouldn't live up to it that she didn't even bother to go (Plus it was a stadium show. We don't do those).

But it's bittersweet. It was such a more innocent period for him and the brothers. They all seemed so happy especially Michael before he crossed over in a massive way. Notice how his live show audience was still quite segregated at that time.

He was happier....no doubts......the cross over is what turned everything upside down

as far as the audience, that audience represented his original following........that's why it comes across as so distinct......

NaughtyKitty said:

*jealous*

Scorp said:

CynicKill said:

I feel so old!

I remember watching this on TV!

My sister went to this show and she was so certain that The Victory Tour wouldn't live up to it that she didn't even bother to go (Plus it was a stadium show. We don't do those).

But it's bittersweet. It was such a more innocent period for him and the brothers. They all seemed so happy especially Michael before he crossed over in a massive way. Notice how his live show audience was still quite segregated at that time.

He was happier....no doubts......the cross over is what turned everything upside down

as far as the audience, that audience represented his original following........that's why it comes across as so distinct......

I think the opposite.

in this interview MJ more depressed than ever .... his eyes full of sadness ... I've always wondered ... very young, very beautiful and very successful, but he still does not seem happy. brother, what more do you want?

Daddy's little girl

/

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LiLi1992 said:

Scorp said:

He was happier....no doubts......the cross over is what turned everything upside down

as far as the audience, that audience represented his original following........that's why it comes across as so distinct......

I think the opposite.

in this interview MJ more depressed than ever .... his eyes full of sadness ... I've always wondered ... very young, very beautiful and very successful, but he still does not seem happy. brother, what more do you want?

Daddy's little girl

/

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music tends to reflect the mood of the artist during the period where that body of work was created

and every time I've listened to OFF THE WALL during my lifetime, I never ever came away feeling depressed...ever.....

MJ said himself this album was his best, his favorite, and most rewarding experience as a solo recording artist

he was led to believe that a foreign path was better than the chosen path that left him hostile, and that tone reflected in his latter work.....the proof is in the pudding

all we have to do is listen to the lyrics

he went from LOVE SURVIVE to just trying to survive

the spiritual turned physical at the drop of a hot

Scorp said:

LiLi1992 said:

I think the opposite.

in this interview MJ more depressed than ever .... his eyes full of sadness ... I've always wondered ... very young, very beautiful and very successful, but he still does not seem happy. brother, what more do you want?

Daddy's little girl

/

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music tends to reflect the mood of the artist during the period where that body of work was created

and every time I've listened to OFF THE WALL during my lifetime, I never ever came away feeling depressed...ever.....

MJ said himself this album was his best, his favorite, and most rewarding experience as a solo recording artist

he was led to believe that a foreign path was better than the chosen path that left him hostile, and that tone reflected in his latter work.....the proof is in the pudding

all we have to do is listen to the lyrics

he went from LOVE SURVIVE to just trying to survive

the spiritual turned physical at the drop of a hot

"Off The Wall" is my all time favorite MJ album & "Triump" is my all time favorite The Jacksons album. He seemed more happy to me back then also. "Thiller" becoming the most sold album by a single artist eventually did not make him happy. It put more pressure on him to top it.

Rumored use of Michael Jackson body doubles could be raised in trial, sources say

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NaughtyKitty said:

Rumored use of Michael Jackson body doubles could be raised in trial, sources say

By Hollie McKay, LOS ANGELES

Pop Tarts

Published April 22, 2013

In the months before and after Michael Jackson's sudden death in 2009, rumors ran rampant that body doubles were being used in an effort to disguise the King of Pop’s ailing health. Now sources connected to the ongoing $40 billion wrongful death suit filed by the Jackson family against AEG tell FOX411’s Pop Tarts column the body double reports will likely be dug back up as the case heads to trial.

An insider tells FOX411 that Jackson had strong incentive to ensure he fulfilled his commitments to AEG, as he agreed to do the “This Is It” tour “out of sheer desperation” for fresh funds. Jackson knew if he didn’t fulfill his contractual obligations, he would be forced to pay back the $30 million in advance money and possibly forfeit his share of his prized Beatles catalogue, the source said.

Speculation over just how able he was to take the stage first surfaced in March 2009, with some speculating he was so far from ready, a body double was needed in his place.

About three months before his death, several spectators and critics started to question whether the jittery figure donning aviator shades and a sparkly jacket while appearing before the masses at the massive tour announcement press conference inside London’s O2 Arena was Jackson, or an impersonator.

“It just didn’t seem to be Michael. He was very thin, yet this ‘Michael’ was stronger, had a bigger head and always wore a wig. This London version of Michael also had much bigger hands,” a source connected to the Jackson family said, based on her personal knowledge of the entertainer.

Similar questions over Jackson’s health and real identity raced across the Internet, with many also suggesting that the awkward, almost macho stride of Jackson heading into the arena was a far cry from his normally soft-footed walk, and that even his chin looked off.

“In my opinion, the man in the clip isn’t Michael Jackson; it’s a man posing as Michael Jackson. The (apparent) body double’s walk is cockier and had more bounce than MJ’s typical stride,” explained Bianca Cobb, a senior instructor at the Body Language Institute. “Michael had a less confident walk with smaller strides and less pep. He also tended to walk with his head down, and deflected attention. The seemingly double spoke more confidently by projecting his voice more and was also a bit deeper. Michael tended to have a softer and lower tone of voice which didn’t project across the room.”

Cobb also pointed out that Jackson had straighter teeth than what was evident during the conference, and the alleged double’s chin – although containing a cleft – was overall more tapered, and that Michael’s upper lip didn’t elevate as much as the alleged double’s upper lip at full smile.

“The apparent double’s smile had a lift on the side which is the commisures,” she told us. (The commisures is where the upper and lower lip meet.) “MJ’s smile was flatter than the (person at the conference) as their smile was more arched.”

Another source, who worked closely with the star across his career, wasn’t convinced it was him, but wasn’t convinced it wasn’t him either.

“There are inflections in his voice that sound true to me. His lower voice I have not heard and yet, within them, I recognize his voice. But this is not an easy call,” the insider said. “The walk is something I have never experienced. His lower voice I have not heard yet, so these things make me wonder.”

Officials at the arena, as well as the Jackson camp, vehemently denied that it was anybody but the real deal at that conference, and another source close to Jackson assured us it was him. Well, at least him on something.

“There is no question it was Michael. The gangster walk was really him. The problem is that he was heavily intoxicated during this press conference, which ironically, is one of the things I believe will be an exhibit during this trial,” said the insider. “He was drinking heavily and extremely high on at least a couple of substances. Even when Joseph (Jackson, father) saw the press conference he became concerned. In fact, that was about the same time Michael began calling his dad again seeking ‘protection.”

And by “protection” we’re told Michael kept saying that people were “after him” and his catalogue he was paranoid that everyone he came in contact with was trying to kill him.

And these aren't the only body double allegations potentially slated to be raised during the trial. Just four months after Jackson’s passing, the rumors resurfaced when Columbia Pictures released the “This Is It” documentary, chronicling the King of Pop’s rehearsals for the sold-out “This is It” tour, which was scheduled to begin just a few weeks after he died. Many speculated that Jackson doubles – a dime in a dozen in Hollywood – were used to fill gaps in the film. Such claims were only perpetuated after Joe Jackson declared that it was “mostly body doubles.” However, the film’s distributor was quick to shoot down the widespread accusations.

“This story is pure garbage and there are no body doubles… Every time they see the King of Pop they will know that every frame is unquestionably and undeniably Michael as he rehearses and prepares for the London concerts that were to have begun this past summer,” stated Steve Elzer, Senior Vice President of Media Relations at Sony Pictures, at the time.

Others close to the star aren’t quite so confident.

“The doubles or stand-ins were used in rehearsal footage we saw in ‘This is It,’” argued a Jackson insider. “Look specifically at the performances of ‘Human Nature’ and ‘Thriller’ in the film, there are others too... The lips are off with the words and the real person doing the dancing requires much too much effort. MJ was effort-less and this stand in was obviously good, but not MJ good by any stretch.”

And don’t expect either side to play nice in this intense trial, which comes almost four years after Jackson’s death.

“AEG is coming in with guns blazing. They are intent on bringing up everything including the child molestation, and will attempt to embarrass Michael and the Jackson family,” added our source.

Lawyers for AEG and the Jackson family did not respond to a request for comment.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/en...z2RILeFCq9

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Damn!!!! What a hot ass mess. The family needs to leave this shit alone and let him finally rest. The kids should have enough money to last them the rest of their lives if they don't do anything stupid. Leave MJ alone already.

MJ himself said that the period of time between Thriller and Off the Wall (a period of time of this interview) was the most difficult for him and he felt completely alone and got mannequins and other crazy things.

In any case, he was incredibly sweet

ps I love Triumph .. Off the Wall is one of my least favorite albums, but I understand what you mean .

LiLi1992 said:

MJ himself said that the period of time between Thriller and Off the Wall (a period of time of this interview) was the most difficult for him and he felt completely alone and got mannequins and other crazy things.

In any case, he was incredibly sweet

ps I love Triumph .. Off the Wall is one of my least favorite albums, but I understand what you mean .

Scorp said:

music tends to reflect the mood of the artist during the period where that body of work was created

and every time I've listened to OFF THE WALL during my lifetime, I never ever came away feeling depressed...ever.....

MJ said himself this album was his best, his favorite, and most rewarding experience as a solo recording artist

he was led to believe that a foreign path was better than the chosen path that left him hostile, and that tone reflected in his latter work.....the proof is in the pudding

all we have to do is listen to the lyrics

he went from LOVE SURVIVE to just trying to survive

the spiritual turned physical at the drop of a hot

I don't know where you get your information about MJ saying Off The Wall was his favorite album? I never heard him say that in any interview, I know that he felt his later philantropic songs (Heal The World, We are the world, will you be there, Earth Song etc) were his favorite songs.

Also according to himself, his best years were during and after the BAD tour, because he could travel and read anything he wanted to and had the power to do what he wanted to do in life (that's also the reason I believe, he wanted to quit the music industry and focus on movies). His trips to India, China and Japan inspired him to open his eyes to new ways of seeing life and also a reason he quit being a Jehovas Witness, because he felt they didn't allow him to be himself (he also felt it wasn't a fair religion ). . His Dangerous album reflects his interest in buddhism, pantheism, hinduism and his new perspective on life. He started doing yoga during this period as well and he often quotes many Indian and Chinese proverbs during these yrs. Yes Dangerous is much darker than Off The Wall but is also his reflection on traveling the world as an indepedant adult with new experiences. I love both albums, but lyrically the Dangerous album is on another level. It was great hearing MJ speak about sociopolitcal issues and discussing real life events that were going on in those yrs and even today.

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GoldDolphin said:

Scorp said:

music tends to reflect the mood of the artist during the period where that body of work was created

and every time I've listened to OFF THE WALL during my lifetime, I never ever came away feeling depressed...ever.....

MJ said himself this album was his best, his favorite, and most rewarding experience as a solo recording artist

he was led to believe that a foreign path was better than the chosen path that left him hostile, and that tone reflected in his latter work.....the proof is in the pudding

all we have to do is listen to the lyrics

he went from LOVE SURVIVE to just trying to survive

the spiritual turned physical at the drop of a hot

I don't know where you get your information about MJ saying Off The Wall was his favorite album? I never heard him say that in any interview, I know that he felt his later philantropic songs (Heal The World, We are the world, will you be there, Earth Song etc) were his favorite songs.

Also according to himself, his best years were during and after the BAD tour, because he could travel and read anything he wanted to and had the power to do what he wanted to do in life (that's also the reason I believe, he wanted to quit the music industry and focus on movies). His trips to India, China and Japan inspired him to open his eyes to new ways of seeing life and also a reason he quit being a Jehovas Witness, because he felt they didn't allow him to be himself (he also felt it wasn't a fair religion ). . His Dangerous album reflects his interest in buddhism, pantheism, hinduism and his new perspective on life. He started doing yoga during this period as well and he often quotes many Indian and Chinese proverbs during these yrs. Yes Dangerous is much darker than Off The Wall but is also his reflection on traveling the world as an indepedant adult with new experiences. I love both albums, but lyrically the Dangerous album is on another level. It was great hearing MJ speak about sociopolitcal issues and discussing real life events that were going on in those yrs and even today.

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That's because Michael Jackson NEVER said any of that stuff about off the wall. Go ahead and prove me wrong. He never stated which of any of his albums he preferred

GoldDolphin said:

Scorp said:

music tends to reflect the mood of the artist during the period where that body of work was created

and every time I've listened to OFF THE WALL during my lifetime, I never ever came away feeling depressed...ever.....

MJ said himself this album was his best, his favorite, and most rewarding experience as a solo recording artist

he was led to believe that a foreign path was better than the chosen path that left him hostile, and that tone reflected in his latter work.....the proof is in the pudding

all we have to do is listen to the lyrics

he went from LOVE SURVIVE to just trying to survive

the spiritual turned physical at the drop of a hot

I don't know where you get your information about MJ saying Off The Wall was his favorite album? I never heard him say that in any interview, I know that he felt his later philantropic songs (Heal The World, We are the world, will you be there, Earth Song etc) were his favorite songs.

Also according to himself, his best years were during and after the BAD tour, because he could travel and read anything he wanted to and had the power to do what he wanted to do in life (that's also the reason I believe, he wanted to quit the music industry and focus on movies). His trips to India, China and Japan inspired him to open his eyes to new ways of seeing life and also a reason he quit being a Jehovas Witness, because he felt they didn't allow him to be himself (he also felt it wasn't a fair religion ). . His Dangerous album reflects his interest in buddhism, pantheism, hinduism and his new perspective on life. He started doing yoga during this period as well and he often quotes many Indian and Chinese proverbs during these yrs. Yes Dangerous is much darker than Off The Wall but is also his reflection on traveling the world as an indepedant adult with new experiences. I love both albums, but lyrically the Dangerous album is on another level. It was great hearing MJ speak about sociopolitcal issues and discussing real life events that were going on in those yrs and even today.

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lollllllllllllllllllllll

so you think I'm lying don't you

do you really want me to show proof of this GoldDolphin?

Is that what I really have to do?......

please don't make me resort to this

I don't have to rely on manipulated, photoshopped sources because what was shared came straight from the horses mouth.....

better yet.....rather than show the proof.....I'll try and guide you to it

that will be even more rewarding....that's going to be fun...

as he knew he was reaching the conclusion of his career, he travelled down the road of reflection as he reached a distintive landmark in his life....that's when the REAL ANSWER came out rather than the commentary he shared when his career was still active performing in the realm of the pop landscape

and I'm watching this clip right now as I type this

OH, and another interview, his interview with GOOD MORNING AMERICA when he turned 50, the notion that was pressed here earlier this week that he was "depressed" during the off the wall years has been admonished too during this interview

the person asked him when was he at his happiest during his years of recording as a solo artist (in context) and MIKE said

"the recording of the THRILLER and OFF THE WALL, that means very much to me, them being received so beautifully by the public and by the world you know, I enjoyed it very much ".......

I quoted that word for word......and the day I saw that interview and when the question was posed, I knew what he was going to say before he said it......

I keep on sharin w/you this brotha dont have to lie.....ting......

see, it's all about POINT OF REFERENCE and who he spoke to ...when he spoke to commercial media, he gave superficial answers, but when he spoke to channels that witnessed his entire career, he becomes introspective and gives you a truth realm...

here's that interview for you to see so you won't think I made this up

http://www.youtube.com/wa...qGsD2FgaCA

the other interview, I'll let you discover that on your own, and when you come across it, may take a week, may take a month, may take a year, but when you do, it will hit you like the juggernaut and you will say "wow, scorp wasn't lying"........and then we can put that notion to rest

I have the clip bookmarked...I can pull it up anytime I want

as far as his musical message, I've always loved those songs..from the rooter to the tooter, from the alpha to the omega.....from Off The Wall to History, the message is the one element that always remained consistent...EARTH SONG was DON'T STOP TIL YOU GET ENOUGH 16 years later

WILL YOU BE THERE is my favorite MJ song from 1991-to the present....the message was never the problem

I'm not trying to play devil's advocate, but I do vaguely remember mj saying off the wall as well sometime in the last decade, and maybe it was to Jesse Jackson or Geraldo. I've blocked out so much cause of too much overload and stress, but I absolutely did read/hear it too. I love Destiny and Triumph even more than OTW though I love OTW, but IMO Bad and Dangerous are relatable and he had seen so much more of the world the way most people in their late 20's/early 30's have (if they have or are successful and questioning their place in life) compared to someone going off to college and being a rookie in the earlier years with all the freshness and excitement. And if you ask me, making an album just like OTW in those years would have felt forced and fake, even though I've heard some compare elements of Dangerous or even Invincible to OTW.

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alphastreet said:

I'm not trying to play devil's advocate, but I do vaguely remember mj saying off the wall as well sometime in the last decade, and maybe it was to Jesse Jackson or Geraldo. I've blocked out so much cause of too much overload and stress, but I absolutely did read/hear it too. I love Destiny and Triumph even more than OTW though I love OTW, but IMO Bad and Dangerous are relatable and he had seen so much more of the world the way most people in their late 20's/early 30's have (if they have or are successful and questioning their place in life) compared to someone going off to college and being a rookie in the earlier years with all the freshness and excitement. And if you ask me, making an album just like OTW in those years would have felt forced and fake, even though I've heard some compare elements of Dangerous or even Invincible to OTW.

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this is why I say, and will always contend....I do.....not......have.......to......lie......at.......alll.....

it's not the number of interviews we witness....it's WHICH ONES we witness that's key, the ones where for those who had the opportunity to witness the entire spectrum of his solo career where you know he will be introspective

what it is, OTW was always his favorite album when it comes to the musical output, but through all these years, he never discussed it because of the way he felt slighted that the 1980 Grammy academy did not recognize that album beyond the initial point of reference as he was seeking to become the most successful recording artist/entertainer on the planet

he felt they slighted him because he was black

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Did you buy the Joe Vogel Man In the Music book Scorp? I think that book was the one that quoted mj as enjoying that recording of OTW, it just hit me lol and it's cited many reliable sources. I think you'd enjoy it since it covers all of his solo career including a heavy focus on Dangerous.

alphastreet said:

Did you buy the Joe Vogel Man In the Music book Scorp? I think that book was the one that quoted mj as enjoying that recording of OTW, it just hit me lol and it's cited many reliable sources. I think you'd enjoy it since it covers all of his solo career including a heavy focus on Dangerous.

I haven't heard of that book but thanks a ton for giving me the words up

I'l be sure to buy it as soon as I can....

when Michael stepped into the instrospective, that' when we got the true perspective on things

Yeah it covers each track from his solo epic years and his career, music and impact from a sociological point of view. A must read for all, though I believe it was being worked on even before his death.

alphastreet said:

Yeah it covers each track from his solo epic years and his career, music and impact from a sociological point of view. A must read for all, though I believe it was being worked on even before his death.

sounds like great stuff.....

I'll see if I can buy it on amazon books online

Yeah it should be there

Spike Lee ‏@SpikeLee

"@gsummers1972: @SpikeLee any date on Bad25 yet please"Summer.

alphastreet said:

Yeah it covers each track from his solo epic years and his career, music and impact from a sociological point of view. A must read for all, though I believe it was being worked on even before his death.

Yes it was worked before his death and Vogel was trying to contact MJ back in 2005-2007. I've read that book so many times, it's a good book but as always has some flaws in it, but it's one of the better books on his discography. Vogel is a true fan, I love him for respecting his musical work!

Scorp said:

GoldDolphin said:

I don't know where you get your information about MJ saying Off The Wall was his favorite album? I never heard him say that in any interview, I know that he felt his later philantropic songs (Heal The World, We are the world, will you be there, Earth Song etc) were his favorite songs.

Also according to himself, his best years were during and after the BAD tour, because he could travel and read anything he wanted to and had the power to do what he wanted to do in life (that's also the reason I believe, he wanted to quit the music industry and focus on movies). His trips to India, China and Japan inspired him to open his eyes to new ways of seeing life and also a reason he quit being a Jehovas Witness, because he felt they didn't allow him to be himself (he also felt it wasn't a fair religion ). . His Dangerous album reflects his interest in buddhism, pantheism, hinduism and his new perspective on life. He started doing yoga during this period as well and he often quotes many Indian and Chinese proverbs during these yrs. Yes Dangerous is much darker than Off The Wall but is also his reflection on traveling the world as an indepedant adult with new experiences. I love both albums, but lyrically the Dangerous album is on another level. It was great hearing MJ speak about sociopolitcal issues and discussing real life events that were going on in those yrs and even today.

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lollllllllllllllllllllll

so you think I'm lying don't you

do you really want me to show proof of this GoldDolphin?

Is that what I really have to do?......

please don't make me resort to this

I don't have to rely on manipulated, photoshopped sources because what was shared came straight from the horses mouth.....

better yet.....rather than show the proof.....I'll try and guide you to it

that will be even more rewarding....that's going to be fun...

as he knew he was reaching the conclusion of his career, he travelled down the road of reflection as he reached a distintive landmark in his life....that's when the REAL ANSWER came out rather than the commentary he shared when his career was still active performing in the realm of the pop landscape

and I'm watching this clip right now as I type this

OH, and another interview, his interview with GOOD MORNING AMERICA when he turned 50, the notion that was pressed here earlier this week that he was "depressed" during the off the wall years has been admonished too during this interview

the person asked him when was he at his happiest during his years of recording as a solo artist (in context) and MIKE said

"the recording of the THRILLER and OFF THE WALL, that means very much to me, them being received so beautifully by the public and by the world you know, I enjoyed it very much ".......

I quoted that word for word......and the day I saw that interview and when the question was posed, I knew what he was going to say before he said it......

I keep on sharin w/you this brotha dont have to lie.....ting......

see, it's all about POINT OF REFERENCE and who he spoke to ...when he spoke to commercial media, he gave superficial answers, but when he spoke to channels that witnessed his entire career, he becomes introspective and gives you a truth realm...

here's that interview for you to see so you won't think I made this up

http://www.youtube.com/wa...qGsD2FgaCA

the other interview, I'll let you discover that on your own, and when you come across it, may take a week, may take a month, may take a year, but when you do, it will hit you like the juggernaut and you will say "wow, scorp wasn't lying"........and then we can put that notion to rest

I have the clip bookmarked...I can pull it up anytime I want

as far as his musical message, I've always loved those songs..from the rooter to the tooter, from the alpha to the omega.....from Off The Wall to History, the message is the one element that always remained consistent...EARTH SONG was DON'T STOP TIL YOU GET ENOUGH 16 years later

WILL YOU BE THERE is my favorite MJ song from 1991-to the present....the message was never the problem

Well I guess Michael Jackson was a living contradiction, because he also said that those yrs were the lonliest yrs of his life and he would walk on the street trying to talk to people. That's even what that english guy named George said (the one who said that MJ was masturbating while talking to him on the phone... ) and if I'm not mistaken he also said this on the Glenda tapes. I think artistically speaking Off The Wall & Thriller were good yrs because he had a lot of great musicians and people around him and he was finally on his own without the family and father, but to me he started to get more creative freedom after Thriller, hence the fallout with Quincy. He was writing and creating a lot during 1977-1983 as well, but he didn't have the confidence like he did during the Bad & Dangerous sessions.

It's interesting to note MJ wasn't going to do any songs from OTW during his last tour with This Is It. 5 from Thriller, 4 from Bad, one from the Jackons, one J5, 2 Dangerous, 2 HIStory.

The Talk - Funny Opinion of Michael Jackson's Family Drama:

Courtesy of

@sherylunderwood

mookie said:

Spike Lee ‏@SpikeLee

"@gsummers1972: @SpikeLee any date on Bad25 yet please"Summer.

This right here. I've been wondering too when that documentary will be released. It was originally slated to come out this past February. Wonder what the hold up is?

GoldDolphin said:

Scorp said:

lollllllllllllllllllllll

so you think I'm lying don't you

do you really want me to show proof of this GoldDolphin?

Is that what I really have to do?......

please don't make me resort to this

I don't have to rely on manipulated, photoshopped sources because what was shared came straight from the horses mouth.....

better yet.....rather than show the proof.....I'll try and guide you to it

that will be even more rewarding....that's going to be fun...

as he knew he was reaching the conclusion of his career, he travelled down the road of reflection as he reached a distintive landmark in his life....that's when the REAL ANSWER came out rather than the commentary he shared when his career was still active performing in the realm of the pop landscape

and I'm watching this clip right now as I type this

OH, and another interview, his interview with GOOD MORNING AMERICA when he turned 50, the notion that was pressed here earlier this week that he was "depressed" during the off the wall years has been admonished too during this interview

the person asked him when was he at his happiest during his years of recording as a solo artist (in context) and MIKE said

"the recording of the THRILLER and OFF THE WALL, that means very much to me, them being received so beautifully by the public and by the world you know, I enjoyed it very much ".......

I quoted that word for word......and the day I saw that interview and when the question was posed, I knew what he was going to say before he said it......

I keep on sharin w/you this brotha dont have to lie.....ting......

see, it's all about POINT OF REFERENCE and who he spoke to ...when he spoke to commercial media, he gave superficial answers, but when he spoke to channels that witnessed his entire career, he becomes introspective and gives you a truth realm...

here's that interview for you to see so you won't think I made this up

http://www.youtube.com/wa...qGsD2FgaCA

the other interview, I'll let you discover that on your own, and when you come across it, may take a week, may take a month, may take a year, but when you do, it will hit you like the juggernaut and you will say "wow, scorp wasn't lying"........and then we can put that notion to rest

I have the clip bookmarked...I can pull it up anytime I want

as far as his musical message, I've always loved those songs..from the rooter to the tooter, from the alpha to the omega.....from Off The Wall to History, the message is the one element that always remained consistent...EARTH SONG was DON'T STOP TIL YOU GET ENOUGH 16 years later

WILL YOU BE THERE is my favorite MJ song from 1991-to the present....the message was never the problem

Well I guess Michael Jackson was a living contradiction, because he also said that those yrs were the lonliest yrs of his life and he would walk on the street trying to talk to people. That's even what that english guy named George said (the one who said that MJ was masturbating while talking to him on the phone... ) and if I'm not mistaken he also said this on the Glenda tapes. I think artistically speaking Off The Wall & Thriller were good yrs because he had a lot of great musicians and people around him and he was finally on his own without the family and father, but to me he started to get more creative freedom after Thriller, hence the fallout with Quincy. He was writing and creating a lot during 1977-1983 as well, but he didn't have the confidence like he did during the Bad & Dangerous sessions.

It's interesting to note MJ wasn't going to do any songs from OTW during his last tour with This Is It. 5 from Thriller, 4 from Bad, one from the Jackons, one J5, 2 Dangerous, 2 HIStory.

see, this is what it is GoldDolphin

from day one, when him and his brothers signed with Motown, Michael Jackson's entire career was built on two principles juxtaposing with each other:

AUTHENTICITY vs CROSSOVER APPEAL.....that dichtomy are the very elements Motown founder Berry Gordy established his label on.

Michael's entire solo career was built on this, and it pulled him two different directios simultaneously until he gave in to the demand

so from day one, thru Motown's tutelage, Michael was taught to "lie" to achieve ultimate crossover appeal while applying authenticity as the means to do it...

so when giving answers to commercially based entities and source, it was authenticity is what shaped his talent, and musical prowess.....

this is what led him and many of his brothers and the sisters to speak in the falsetto voice publically during adulthood until it became like second nature when Mike spoke in his natural grown man voice in private

he was taught to lie to protect his ultimate career ambition, which was becoming the most popular recording artist on the globe but needed authenticity, specially soul and r&b structure to reach that pinnacle...

this mode of thinking is what led him to be so calculating whenever have gave interviews, to the point where he would eventually become the greatest media manipulator of all time as he sought the king of pop mantle. because to reach that mantle, he had to "embellish the truth"....

and THIS is why he never publically stated that OFF THE WALL was his favorite album until he knew his career was reaching its conclusion, which led him to react in restrospect

so when all the smoke clears, and the dust settles, he acknowledged AUTHENTICITY towards the end, because he could no longer play the game...

that's why it appears that he was a walking contradiction because to opposing elements constantly juxtaposed with the other....

when he gave an interview with someone commercially based, such as those Glenda tapes, he gave the "appropriate" answer that would allow him to protect his career ambition or at least what it was, that would craft, shape, sustain the superficial image he wanted to project to gain the ultimate crossover appeal status....

but when he spoke with someone who witness the entire scope of his career, he knew he could not give those type of answers, because he knew that person would know fact from fiction, and that's when he spoke on authenticity

so when it was believed that Michael Jackson never said OTW was his favorite album, the truth came out right in the nick of time.....

[Edited 4/25/13 20:06pm]