Your welcome.

NaughtyKitty said:

Thank you Emperor101 for sharing those beautiful memories of seeing the Jacksons live back in the day, the concerts, especially the Triumph one, sounds amazing! I really hope and pray that one day that concert will get a proper dvd release so that those of us who missed that tour can get a chance to experience that amazing concert!

Emancipation89 said:

This is great! I don't think I've ever come across fans who were..born early enough to have attended the Jackson 5 tour in 1975 & Destiny tour. Emperor & Scorp TELL ME MORE ABOUT THESE SHOWS!!!

How excited were you to go see them in 1975? I mean how big of a superstar were Jackson 5/Jacksons considered in that period? Was it a huge deal among your friends at school/work?

In terms of spotlight on Michael & the crowd reaction towards Michael, did you notice a huge difference between Jackson 5 tour and Destiny tour in '79? (I remember another fan's story; though Michael was always the main star of the group, after DSTYGE was released the shows were never the same and the crowd only screamed Michael's name. Just the amount of jealousy the brothers must've felt, I can't imagine...)

Did Michael ever do anything spontaneous on stage that surprised you?

Any particular review/reaction in the media or at school you remember about these shows the next day? (especially about Destiny/Triumph tours, were the reviews also about Michael Michael Michael?)

Please share some episodes in fact I would love to hear everything and anything you remember about these tours. I know I'm asking a lot because it was such a long time ago but I just really want to relive your precious memories....=D

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fast forward two years later and u have the Triumph Tour

the live vocals were off the charts.......as good as it gets.......

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alphastreet said:

GoldDolphin said:

I don't know why you're quoting the bible because it's not some type of law book on how to raise your children or how to behave as a person, just because people believe in a book that was written in the middle east - 2000 years ago doesn't mean it's right or flawless because it's not. Not everyone follows the bible nor is a religious person. We live in a secular society where reason has taught us to think of the best choice for ourselves.

You do know that Janet took drugs in the 90s though? So what if she married a damn billionaire? I respect the woman for her hard work in a very crazy industry and for being a great dancer and entertainer that she is, her monetary value or any other values that might be important to you - don't mean crap to the rest of us.

Yeah, anti-depressants for her and Rene using the chef's names at Dr. Metzger's, ironically the same one mj went to and they used for the mommynapping. Guess Janet hid her skeletons well and used MJ to cover up her private life.

Those drugs we're for Rene who was a heroin addict & needed to be detoxed, Don't you dare try to tarnish Janet's squeaky clean image by painting her as an unproven druggie. Those rumors was started by a disgruntled housekeeper that went to the tabloids & told lies..

I wonder if the Jacksons knew of Michael's addiction, why they tried to drag him to the reunion tour???

nearly 50 + drug addiction + health problems + tour = almost inevitable health problems. or they never cared about him, or they're lying.

Wow KCOOL, I didn't know being on antidepressants makes you a "druggie" you said it, I didn't. There is a difference between addiction and dependence, you're just making janet fans as a whole look stupid with that shit. She's the one who made an album about depression, what's so bad about seeking treatment if she needed it then? Even if she told Oprah she was never clinically depressed, this is the same interview where she said was "spiritually married" to Ricco Suave so it would not surprise me if she didn't want to discuss taking meds. Would you put down a diabetic for insulin or someone for taking pressure pills too? Squeaky clean, you've got to be kidding me...I love Janet, but she's no child of god in the media herself, stop being delusional, the 90's are done.

I was simply saying that whether it's a lie or not about her cooks, it's a possibility she was protecting her name, and it's understandable if true, she wouldn't be the first or last to do it. It's sad she dealt with drug related issues with James Debarge and Rene, but it's still tactless what she said about mj. I don't deny that he became an addict in 1993 to PRESCRIPTION painkillers and seeked treatment, and that it's possible he could have relapsed and took measures though there is no proof of this or it was refuted immediately, but look at the autopsy report. He just had the doctor administered Propofol, this had nothing to do with drug addiction, that drug is not even for getting high or treating what he was suffering with and was a poor decision. If he was addicted to something the most, it was getting his demands met, going out of his way for it and to please people to the point where it ended up destroying him in the form of a greedy doctor giving it to him.

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alphastreet said:

Those drugs we're for Rene who was a heroin addict & needed to be detoxed, Don't you dare try to tarnish Janet's squeaky clean image by painting her as an unproven druggie. Those rumors was started by a disgruntled housekeeper that went to the tabloids & told lies..

Wow KCOOL, I didn't know being on antidepressants makes you a "druggie" you said it, I didn't. There is a difference between addiction and dependence, you're just making janet fans as a whole look stupid with that shit. She's the one who made an album about depression, what's so bad about seeking treatment if she needed it then? Even if she told Oprah she was never clinically depressed, this is the same interview where she said was "spiritually married" to Ricco Suave so it would not surprise me if she didn't want to discuss taking meds. Would you put down a diabetic for insulin or someone for taking pressure pills too? Squeaky clean, you've got to be kidding me...I love Janet, but she's no child of god in the media herself, stop being delusional, the 90's are done.

I was simply saying that whether it's a lie or not about her cooks, it's a possibility she was protecting her name, and it's understandable if true, she wouldn't be the first or last to do it. It's sad she dealt with drug related issues with James Debarge and Rene, but it's still tactless what she said about mj. I don't deny that he became an addict in 1993 to PRESCRIPTION painkillers and seeked treatment, and that it's possible he could have relapsed and took measures though there is no proof of this or it was refuted immediately, but look at the autopsy report. He just had the doctor administered Propofol, this had nothing to do with drug addiction, that drug is not even for getting high or treating what he was suffering with and was a poor decision. If he was addicted to something the most, it was getting his demands met, going out of his way for it and to please people to the point where it ended up destroying him in the form of a greedy doctor giving it to him.

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Mj is her brother. Its her right more than anyone on here to say anything she wants about him,She is more entitled to do that R.I.P MJ. I'm so sick of peeps on here bringing that up like she has no right to say anything.

Also I know more about Janet than you think I do. I'm not out of respect for her going to get into any of her personal business on here. So you people can dissect it over & over again..

You act like you know the colour of her shit or something get off your high horse

Love the OTW clips set to this

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I don't want to know all of that boo boo...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

alphastreet said:

Yeah, anti-depressants for her and Rene using the chef's names at Dr. Metzger's, ironically the same one mj went to and they used for the mommynapping. Guess Janet hid her skeletons well and used MJ to cover up her private life.

Those drugs we're for Rene who was a heroin addict & needed to be detoxed, Don't you dare try to tarnish Janet's squeaky clean image by painting her as an unproven druggie. Those rumors was started by a disgruntled housekeeper that went to the tabloids & told lies..

I dont know why people get so upset when talking about drugs, the industry is full of drugs and you cant do anything about it. So if she was a druggie she was with hundreds of others in the industry.

Now being a Pedo is completely different and there are only a few in the industry, Gary Glitter and, oh i cant think of his name, but he's dead now and paid over $11 million hush money and his fans say that dont prove anything.

powersoul99 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Those drugs we're for Rene who was a heroin addict & needed to be detoxed, Don't you dare try to tarnish Janet's squeaky clean image by painting her as an unproven druggie. Those rumors was started by a disgruntled housekeeper that went to the tabloids & told lies..

I dont know why people get so upset when talking about drugs, the industry is full of drugs and you cant do anything about it. So if she was a druggie she was with hundreds of others in the industry.

Now being a Pedo is completely different and there are only a few in the industry, Gary Glitter and, oh i cant think of his name, but he's dead now and paid over $11 million hush money and his fans say that dont prove anything.

Michael settled a civil suit. No criminal charges were filed despite the efforts of Tom Sneddon.

Two grand juries convened, both refused to indict Michael as they determined that there were no grounds for prosecution. Jordy Chandler later obtained legal emancipation from his parents. When she took the stand in 2005, Jordy's mother admitted that she hadn't seen her son in 11 years and also that at no time did she think that Michael had been a threat to her son. Michael's non-fans conveniently ignore these facts.

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"Piers Morgan Live, Rewind": Eddie Van Halen on Michael Jackson.

On Friday evening, Piers Morgan welcomed legendary rock guitarist Eddie Van Halen to the program. Ranked at the top of "Rolling Stone" magazine's list of the 100 Greatest Guitarists," the musician and leader of his eponymously named band spoke about his work with another legendary musician, the late Michael Jackson.

In the early 80s, Jackson invited Van Halen to play on his single "Beat It," but because of Van Halen's policy with his band mates he was unable to take financial credit for his contribution. "Honest to God truth, the band's policy was, you know, we don't do things outside of the band at the time, and everybody was out of town so I had no one to ask," explained Van Halen. "

I swear to God, I figured who's going to know if I play on this black kid's record." Van Halen also shared his memory of Jackson as a person away from the music. "He was a sweet guy is all I know," he said. "Accused of a lot of things. He was just I think, you know, he wanted to remain a kid himself."

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Cloudbuster said:

powersoul99 said:

I dont know why people get so upset when talking about drugs, the industry is full of drugs and you cant do anything about it. So if she was a druggie she was with hundreds of others in the industry.

Now being a Pedo is completely different and there are only a few in the industry, Gary Glitter and, oh i cant think of his name, but he's dead now and paid over $11 million hush money and his fans say that dont prove anything.

Michael settled a civil suit. No criminal charges were filed despite the efforts of Tom Sneddon.

Two grand juries convened, both refused to indict Michael as they determined that there were no grounds for prosecution. Jordy Chandler later obtained legal emancipation from his parents. When she took the stand in 2005, Jordy's mother admitted that she hadn't seen her son in 11 years and also that at no time did she think that Michael had been a threat to her son. Michael's non-fans conveniently ignore these facts.

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Thank you for proving my point that MJ fans say it proves nothing.

Would be intresting to see how many of his fans would have let thier young children spend a few nights alone with him?

And would you say the same if it was the bloke down the road that paid hush money ?

powersoul99 said:

Cloudbuster said:

Michael settled a civil suit. No criminal charges were filed despite the efforts of Tom Sneddon.

Two grand juries convened, both refused to indict Michael as they determined that there were no grounds for prosecution. Jordy Chandler later obtained legal emancipation from his parents. When she took the stand in 2005, Jordy's mother admitted that she hadn't seen her son in 11 years and also that at no time did she think that Michael had been a threat to her son. Michael's non-fans conveniently ignore these facts.

Thank you for proving my point that MJ fans say it proves nothing.

Would be intresting to see how many of his fans would have let thier young children spend a few nights alone with him?

And would you say the same if it was the bloke down the road that paid hush money ?

How was it hush money when the details of what allegedly happened came out six months before the civil suit was settled? Settling the civil suit didn't guarantee that criminal charges wouldn't be filed. There were no charges filed because it was determined that there were no grounds for prosecution. If a child of yours had been molested would you accept a monetary settlement?

powersoul99 said:

Cloudbuster said:

Michael settled a civil suit. No criminal charges were filed despite the efforts of Tom Sneddon.

Two grand juries convened, both refused to indict Michael as they determined that there were no grounds for prosecution. Jordy Chandler later obtained legal emancipation from his parents. When she took the stand in 2005, Jordy's mother admitted that she hadn't seen her son in 11 years and also that at no time did she think that Michael had been a threat to her son. Michael's non-fans conveniently ignore these facts.

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Thank you for proving my point that MJ fans say it proves nothing.

Would be intresting to see how many of his fans would have let thier young children spend a few nights alone with him?

And would you say the same if it was the bloke down the road that paid hush money ?

The first childs mother (June Chandler) is rumored to have had a romance with MJ and I wouldn't be surprised because if anyone saw the Martin Bashir documentary, MJ said he would buy jewellry to the woman he liked at the moment and he bought a lot of expensive jewellry to June. That would also make sense that the childs father would get jealous and angry with MJ. If MJ was a pedo he would have done it all the time, it's a sickness not something you can control. MJ was blackmailed and there's a lot of information out there, you are just being judgemental! A real pedo is a person like Saville (creepy BBC guy) who got away with it even tho he molested over 50 kids... MJ couldn't harm anyone, that's why he did it all to himself.

Cloudbuster said:

powersoul99 said:

Thank you for proving my point that MJ fans say it proves nothing.

Would be intresting to see how many of his fans would have let thier young children spend a few nights alone with him?

And would you say the same if it was the bloke down the road that paid hush money ?

How was it hush money when the details of what allegedly happened came out six months before the civil suit was settled? Settling the civil suit didn't guarantee that criminal charges wouldn't be filed. There were no charges filed because it was determined that there were no grounds for prosecution. If a child of yours had been molested would you accept a monetary settlement?

If there was grounds for prosecution you should ask why? was the witness paid off? and who in there right mind would pay that sum of money is they know they will not be prosecuted.

as for your question: no i wouldnt let a pedo pay me, i would want him locked up so he can not do the same to other children.

I know it is diffacult being a MJ fan and trying to defend him, but i know all MJ fans know deep down what he did to innocent children.

powersoul99 said:

If there was grounds for prosecution you should ask why? was the witness paid off? and who in there right mind would pay that sum of money is they know they will not be prosecuted.

as for your question: no i wouldnt let a pedo pay me, i would want him locked up so he can not do the same to other children.

I know it is diffacult being a MJ fan and trying to defend him, but i know all MJ fans know deep down what he did to innocent children.

Obviously you can't read very well. So once again, settling the civil suit didn't guarantee that criminal charges wouldn't be filed.

There were no charges filed because it was determined that there were no grounds for prosecution.
Why didn't the Chandlers persue a criminal case after settling the civil suit? They had enough money.
Instead they took the money and ran. Then lost their son.

scorp84 said:

Trolls are eating good in this thread lol.

Not a troll, just intrested in the excuses people come up with to defend a Pedo.

I wonder if they would make such excuses if their own child had been raped by a Pedo?

powersoul99 said:

scorp84 said:

Trolls are eating good in this thread lol.

Not a troll, just intrested in the excuses people come up with to defend a Pedo.

I wonder if they would make such excuses if their own child had been raped by a Pedo?

If their child was really abused no real parent would take millions of dollars and not prosecute.

Your not making sense at all.

Why would a parent take millions of dollars if their child was really abused?

The real question should be, why didnt the settlement prevent grand juries from santa barbara and LA from continuing to investigate long after the settlement...that alone should also tell you that he did not pay to make it go away, cause it certainly did the opposite and Jordy refused to testify, shortly cutting off his own parents after and being abused by his dad in adulthood. I feel bad for real victims who were really abused, cause people like the Chandlers and Arvizzos give them a bad name with their sick behaviour when no one believes them.

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Autopsy reveals Michael Jackson's secrets

Los Angeles (CNN) -- Jurors hearing the Michael Jackson wrongful death trial got a stark look at the dead pop icon after a lawyer showed them an autopsy photo.

Jackson's unclothed corpse lying on a coroner's table looked nothing like the world's most famous entertainer.

The doctor who conducted Jackson's autopsy will return to the witness stand Wednesday. On Tuesday, jurors are hearing from another doctor in the trial to decide whether concert promoter AEG Live shares blame in Jackson's death with Dr. Conrad Murray.

The witness on the stand Tuesday is cardiologist Dr. Daniel Wohlgelernter, who is offering expert analysis of Murray's skills and decisions.

Murray was not the "appropriate physician" for AEG to hire as Jackson's tour doctor because he was a cardiologist and not trained to treat the singer's special needs, Wohlgelernter testified.

"Michael Jackson had a history of substance abuse, addiction to medications and sleep disturbance," he said, not heart or cardiovascular problems.

Murray's agreement to close down his Las Vegas clinic to work full time for Jackson created a conflict, he said. The agreement said Murray could lose his job if the tour was delayed or canceled.

"It meant that Dr. Murray was entirely dependent on the continuation of the tour for his income," he said.

Much of what jurors heard for the first time from Dr. Christopher Rogers Monday is a repeat of the scientific evidence presented in the trial of Murray, who is now serving a prison sentence for involuntary manslaughter. But some of what is in the coroner's report seems to give more insight into Michael Jackson's life rather than how he died.

Rogers noted in his autopsy report that Jackson's lips were tattooed pink, while his eyebrows were a dark tattoo. The front of his scalp was also tattooed black, apparently to blend his hairline in with the wigs he wore.

The autopsy confirmed what Jackson told people who questioned why his skin tone became lighter in the 1980s. Jackson had "vitiligo, a skin pigmentation disease," Rogers said. "So, some areas of the skin appear light and others appear dark."

Debts, drugs, messy bedroom highlighted in Jackson trial

Jackson lawyer Michael Koskoff made sure the jury heard that, even though it had nothing to do with how he died.

Jackson's mother and three children are suing AEG Live, contending the company that was promoting his "This Is It" shows was liable for his death because of the negligent hiring, retention and supervision of Murray.

AEG Live argues that Jackson chose Murray as his tour doctor and that the company had no way of knowing he was using the surgical anesthetic propofol to put the singer to sleep each night.

Rogers concluded that a propofol overdose killed Jackson, although several sedatives Murray gave him that morning contributed to his death.

Los Angeles coroner's toxicologist Dan Anderson, who studied the drugs in Jackson's body, testified Monday that the level of propofol found in Jackson's body was "consistent with major surgery anesthesia."

Propofol is a dangerous drug when not used properly, he said.

Money woes may have led Murray to 'break the rules,' detective says

The Los Angeles coroner's office found 31 deaths in the last 14 years in which propofol was found in a body, including six suicides committed by medical personnel -- doctors, nurses and anesthesiologists -- who chose the drug to end their lives, Anderson said.

There have also been several homicides with propofol, including "a mercy killing" in a hospital, he testified.

If not for his death by propofol, Jackson's health appeared good enough for him to live a normal lifespan, Rogers testified.

"There was no indication from the autopsy that there was anything anatomically wrong with him that would lead to premature death," Rogers said.

He had no signs of being addicted to street drugs, such as needle marks or disease, he said.

That testimony is important for the Jackson case, because if the jury decides that AEG is liable in his death, his expected lifespan will be key to calculating damages. Jackson lawyers will contend that he would have made billions of dollars in his remaining years through several more world tours, merchandizing, recording and movies.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/07/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html

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The whole thing just very contradicting on the Jackson family side. One minute MJ's this raving drug addict, who gets drunk, who had a messy room and then the next minute he was going to make billions.

Even the AP writer that hates MJ is questioning how this contradction will be seen by the jury.

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It's impossible to know, but wondering how jury reconciles description of relatively healthy Jackson with portrayal in openings of addict MJ

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Rogers also testifies about the condition of Jackson’s organs. All were in good shape, other than some lung issues.

Michael Jackson has been posthumously accused of molesting a now-famous choreographer who spent lots of time with the singer at the Neverland Ranch ... TMZ has learned.

TMZ has obtained legal docs ... filed by Wade Robson ... in which he's asking for money from the Michael Jackson Estate for childhood sexual abuse.



Robson -- now 30 years old -- has worked with top names in pop music including Britney Spears, *NSYNC, Usher and P!nk. He has also appeared on "So You Think You Can Dance."

Wade met Michael when he was 5 years old and they developed a friendship that lasted for years. By the time Wade was 7, he went for sleepovers at Neverland and MJ's homes in L.A. and Vegas. The sleepovers continued until Wade was 14.

Wade even performed to a Michael Jackson song on "Star Search" when he was 8-years-old.

In 2005, Wade testified in MJ's molestation trial and DENIED Michael ever molested him.

Wade's lawyer filed legal docs May 1 asking the judge in the Michael Jackson Estate case to allow him to file a late creditor's claim against the Estate. In the documents, Wade's lawyer says he submitted a never-before filed complaint "for childhood sexual abuse."

Wade's lawyer has filed the actual complaint under seal -- which means it's not available to the public. Sources tell TMZ ... the complaint specifically outlines the alleged abuse at the hands of Michael Jackson.

Wade's lawyer also mentions a psychiatrist who treated Wade -- the doctor is a leader in the field of child psychology.

Interestingly ... in the 2005 molestation trial, Jackson's former housekeeper, Blanca Francia, testified she witnessed Jackson in the shower with Wade when the boy was 8 or 9 years old.

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I'm a say this out of respect.......

I've haven't said anything about this trial, keeping my mouth shut...

but see, THIS is what happens when you acquiesce your natural existence, and surrounding yourself w/people who ony hung around Michael Jackson because of his stature, to get an opportunity to gain access to hollywood.....

not only that, but Michael CHOSE these types of invididuals to accompany him because he knew sound minded individuals would be cool on the superficial image he attempted to project to the world for well over a quarter century......

the people he surrounded himself with were NEVER HIS FRIENDS...he could have had true friends who would have had his back like a rock, his family would have stuck w/him like a rock, but he wanted the ultimate form of privilege and everyone of significance got thrown right under that proverbial bus......

even if MJ didn't touch this guy when he was a kid (which I don't believe he did nor do I believe he ever committed the physical act of molesting children, not for one second), the reason that Michael was accused of those acts over time was because of the manner in which he acquiesced his natural being and gave into the expectation placed on him to do so....taking on such an ambiguous nature.

now once again, his moma gotta sit up in a court room and here of yet another set of allegations against her child.......

oh, but this is only the beginning....this will be so brutal......

and maybe when all of this if finally, maybe we'll take the time to learn a very valuable lesson...

more important than being the best singer in the world, the best dancer, the best entertainer, one who supposed transcended race....maybe, maybe, we'll set aside those differences and consider the human toll that broke this man's spirit and reduced him to a shell of himself and how the world should have accepted him in his natural state, for if we did, 6/25/2009 would have never happened, that 2005 trial would have never happened, nor this trial would be happening now.....maybe we'll sit down one day and ask ourselves (for those who acted from a false sense of entitlment), "could I have played a role in his self destruction w/out realizing it, is it possible that I played a role in this"......

because this is about as tragic is it comes.....and as MJ used to say during the late 90s YOU AINT SEEN NOTHING YET.....this is only the tip of the iceberg....

we gone learn....we gone learn one day..we'll be forced to..

for you see, Michael Jackson doesn't own his own name anymore, he doesn't own his music, or his history, and that applies to the name of the entire family...

everything associated with the Jackson five, the jacksons, Michael Jackson permanently belongs to the establishment from this point on and the day the establishment can no longer make another dollar off this man's name, the very first thing they will do is reject him and then when everything will roll

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Well, Elvis too was surrounded by leeches who took him for every penny, took endless gifts, enabled Elvis's upsidedown nocturnal lifetstyle. They catered to his demise. It seems to be the same for most stars. You seem to lose sight of being able to judge people right, in most cases being overtaken by these people. See Marilyn Monroe and the weird psycho analyzers and the Strasbergs (who were well respected) who got into her life and ended up helping it end at 36. Michael too had these kind of people in his life.

When you have that much stardom, you're automatically in your own little castle on a very high up hill, and it's very difficult to relate to other people, or perhaps... have people relate to you. Including family. (Just because people are family doesn't mean it's all easy sailing, sometimes it can be terrible)
Therefore it's perhaps easy to be manipulated. His brothers couldn't relate, his sisters either. They wanted their own careers too, and MJ was completely overshadowing everyone in his path in the 80's, not just his family. But before we act like MJ hit the road and dumped his roots, he did live at home until he was almost 30 years old, he did bring his brothers along to experience the success of Thriller with the Victory album and tour/Pepsi Commercials. He wasn't even into that idea at all but was persuaded... MJ didn't just snub his family. He was always there for them.

Regarding the allegations; Michael was naive (which is not an insult) to think he could befriend kids and not have it look weird at his age, but that's how he was brought up. He was a child in an adult world, and never really stopped being that. He felt kids were the truth, the escapism. When you're around kids you kind of get a feel of their essence... their ignorance to the world and it's troubles. When you are constantly around adults who see you as a product, who teach you to be a business like minded infant, a child whose the golden goose of the family and a huge company... to be around children, play mindless games, enter that state of care free is just an escapism. Even Elizabeth Taylor endulged in that, having her 60th birthday at Disneyland, and spending time with MJ in Neverland in a bed watching Disney surrounded by kids.

I really hope this doesn't go to court. Katherine has been in and out of courts since her son died... even if this current one was her choice (which it probably wasn't). And of course, to have his children go through this mess will be just terrible.

OfftheWall said:

Well, Elvis too was surrounded by leeches who took him for every penny, took endless gifts, enabled Elvis's upsidedown nocturnal lifetstyle. They catered to his demise. It seems to be the same for most stars. You seem to lose sight of being able to judge people right, in most cases being overtaken by these people. See Marilyn Monroe and the weird psycho analyzers and the Strasbergs (who were well respected) who got into her life and ended up helping it end at 36. Michael too had these kind of people in his life.

When you have that much stardom, you're automatically in your own little castle on a very high up hill, and it's very difficult to relate to other people, or perhaps... have people relate to you. Including family. (Just because people are family doesn't mean it's all easy sailing, sometimes it can be terrible)
Therefore it's perhaps easy to be manipulated. His brothers couldn't relate, his sisters either. They wanted their own careers too, and MJ was completely overshadowing everyone in his path in the 80's, not just his family. But before we act like MJ hit the road and dumped his roots, he did live at home until he was almost 30 years old, he did bring his brothers along to experience the success of Thriller with the Victory album and tour/Pepsi Commercials. He wasn't even into that idea at all but was persuaded... MJ didn't just snub his family. He was always there for them.

Regarding the allegations; Michael was naive (which is not an insult) to think he could befriend kids and not have it look weird at his age, but that's how he was brought up. He was a child in an adult world, and never really stopped being that. He felt kids were the truth, the escapism. When you're around kids you kind of get a feel of their essence... their ignorance to the world and it's troubles. When you are constantly around adults who see you as a product, who teach you to be a business like minded infant, a child whose the golden goose of the family and a huge company... to be around children, play mindless games, enter that state of care free is just an escapism. Even Elizabeth Taylor endulged in that, having her 60th birthday at Disneyland, and spending time with MJ in Neverland in a bed watching Disney surrounded by kids.

I really hope this doesn't go to court. Katherine has been in and out of courts since her son died... even if this current one was her choice (which it probably wasn't). And of course, to have his children go through this mess will be just terrible.

this is the only thing though......

from the very beginning...Michael Jackson wanted to become a singer.....nobody forced him to....he wanted to do that by choice.....his mother nor father forced him to want to become a singer......that's what's missing out of all of this.....that's why hew as referred to as a child prodigy when he signed with Motown...he wanted that for himself

Michael Jackson was a grown man when he released OFF THE WALL, and carried himself as a grown man during those years, same thing w/THRILLER, which was part of the magic...THRILLER was really an adult oriented album in terms of subject matter and theme, but the way in which he presented his talent allowed people of all ages to gravitated to it

Katherine has been in an out of courts for over 20 years......

but here we are in 2013, staring at a trial that's about to unleash the fury, only the tip of the iceberg.....ACT 1..

mookie said:

The whole thing just very contradicting on the Jackson family side. One minute MJ's this raving drug addict, who gets drunk, who had a messy room and then the next minute he was going to make billions.

Even the AP writer that hates MJ is questioning how this contradction will be seen by the jury.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1h
It's impossible to know, but wondering how jury reconciles description of relatively healthy Jackson with portrayal in openings of addict MJ

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP21 m
Rogers also testifies about the condition of Jackson’s organs. All were in good shape, other than some lung issues.

A messy room means nothing, alot of creative people have a lack of 'order'. I mean jeeze, if a messy room meant a thang, I should be locked up for life.

But yes, the Jacksons are really confused, I don't think they agree with each other at all... they seem to all have conflicting truths.

Just saw the article on CNN and I'm just so disgusted with how low some people can get. Just never ends...

OfftheWall said:

Michael Jackson has been posthumously accused of molesting a now-famous choreographer who spent lots of time with the singer at the Neverland Ranch ... TMZ has learned.

TMZ has obtained legal docs ... filed by Wade Robson ... in which he's asking for money from the Michael Jackson Estate for childhood sexual abuse.

Robson -- now 30 years old -- has worked with top names in pop music including Britney Spears, *NSYNC, Usher and P!nk. He has also appeared on "So You Think You Can Dance."

Wade met Michael when he was 5 years old and they developed a friendship that lasted for years. By the time Wade was 7, he went for sleepovers at Neverland and MJ's homes in L.A. and Vegas. The sleepovers continued until Wade was 14.

Wade even performed to a Michael Jackson song on "Star Search" when he was 8-years-old.

In 2005, Wade testified in MJ's molestation trial and DENIED Michael ever molested him.

Wade's lawyer filed legal docs May 1 asking the judge in the Michael Jackson Estate case to allow him to file a late creditor's claim against the Estate. In the documents, Wade's lawyer says he submitted a never-before filed complaint "for childhood sexual abuse."

Wade's lawyer has filed the actual complaint under seal -- which means it's not available to the public. Sources tell TMZ ... the complaint specifically outlines the alleged abuse at the hands of Michael Jackson.

Wade's lawyer also mentions a psychiatrist who treated Wade -- the doctor is a leader in the field of child psychology.

Interestingly ... in the 2005 molestation trial, Jackson's former housekeeper, Blanca Francia, testified she witnessed Jackson in the shower with Wade when the boy was 8 or 9 years old
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